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Are video games rife with sexism? And have you heard that most video gamers are now adult women-not teenage boys in the basement? A new study says so. Feminist tech writers have seized on the study as proof that the video industry has fallen behind the times: too many games, they say, perpetuate a culture of sexism and misogyny.
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When I took a look at the Entertainment Software Association study, I was a little surprised to find that yours truly, the Factual Feminist herself, counted as a gamer. I do not recall playing a video game since Pac-Man in a bar in Cambridge, Mass-in 1980. The study counted anyone who plays, however occasionally, simple smartphone games like Bejeweled or Angry Birds. I don’t fault the researchers for their findings. It’s great that the world of games is expanding and there are more women creating and playing games. But a distinction is in order. There are casual game players-and there are hard-core gamers for whom highly complex, competitive video games are a primary life passion. Adult women are not a key demographic here. Consider just one typical data sample: Researchers at UCLA have been studying the pastimes of college freshmen for more than 40 years. For incoming freshmen, 65 percent of girls but fewer than 19 percent of boys said they played no video games at all in a typical week. Among hardcore gamers who play more than 20 hours a week, the ratio of boys to girls is 7 to 1. This huge gender gap has persisted since the researchers first started asking about video games in the mid-1990s-and it looks like it’s here to stay. But are video games rife with sexism? Do they promote a culture of misogyny and violence that must be dismantled? My answer is no. As I looked into the literature on gaming, I discovered that gamers make a lot of people nervous. Not only are most of them male-but the games they like tend to be action-packed, competitive, and often violent. And they like to play them-a lot. Gamers have long faced disapproval from moms and teachers and-above all-researchers and politicians-concernocrats-both liberal and conservative. For years, games such as Grand Theft Auto and Call of Duty were said to cause violence, even though no one was able to establish a clear correlation. Those concerns died down when Psychological Bulletin published a major article in 2010 declaring the video game scare “much ado about nothing.” One graph showed that as video games have surged in popularity, youth crime has plummeted. But now, gamers are dealing with a new army of critics: gender activists and hipsters with degrees in cultural studies. These critics are concerned that gaming is a largely hetero-patriachal capitalist pursuit. Why isn’t gaming more inclusive? Why must there always be male heroes? Why are the few females always portrayed as either Damsels in distress or sex objects? These critics have made some useful points about “sexist tropes and narratives.” But they ignore the fact that the world of gaming has become more inclusive. There are games that fit a vast array of preferences, and games with responsibly proportioned and appropriately garbed female protagonists. Yet the video game gender police have become harsh and intolerant. Many of them want more than more women on both sides of the video screen-they want the male video game culture to end. Male gamers, as a group, do evince a strong a preference for games with male heroes and sexy women. Could that be because they are-male? There is no evidence that these games are making males racist, misogynist, or homophobic. In fact, all the data we have suggests that millennial males-born and raised in video game nation-are far less prone to these prejudices than previous generations.
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I don't understand, every feminist I've ever seen was an extremist. Why is this woman being logical and reasonable?
It's because she graduated in Philosophy, not Gender Studies, not Women's Studies and not Liberal Arts. That's why. :D
Because she is actually an Egalitarian, not a Feminist.
There are good feminists out there, you're mistaken them with SJWs, we have no problems with rational feminists. We've donated $20.000 to them
LoganCovers91 If they are feminists, then they are anti-male. If they are for equality, then they are not feminists; they are egalitarians.
Because she is a real feminist. She is not a feminazi.
I want to hug this woman.
Thank you for not only showing that video games aren't making us sexist, but at the same time, showing that not all Feminists are Anita Sarkeesian or Zoe Quinn.
I'll only listen to a feminist named Christina Hoff Sommers. That we can agree on..
I'd do more than hug her if you catch my drift.
Zane Beadles
*facepalm
*****
There are a few others you should listen to (though they generally term themselves anti-feminists to distance themselves from the radicals, like Elizabeth Dobson) as well, IMO. btw, check this out: naudica.tumblr.com/post/86331193674/okay-this-is-happening
200th person to like this. Let me just pat myself on the back.
Factual Feminist : *answers with facts and logic and comes to pragmatic and realistic conclusions*
Feminazis : "impossible"
I won't ruin the meme by liking your comment but nice
Thanos should kill all the feminists
Feminazi isn't a fuckin word
@@raccoon3227 it is. nice name btw
@@linusstenstrom9301 we have different opinions on that but thanks to lad
I came here expecting a karen but found a reasonable and logical woman
Those who went through GamerGate dubbed her "Based Mom" as a term of affection and endearment. Seriously, Google "Based Mom" - the term specifically refers to CHS alone. To the extent that whenever I forget how to spell her name (is it Summers or Sommers), I just Google "Based Mom" to get the answer.
She's said in interviews that she's not interested in any of the video games, she likes her Downton Abbey or whatever. But like any normal, rational, non-narcissistic person, she wants people to be able to enjoy what they love. She doesn't have to love or enjoy them herself to defend the fact that grifters and scammers like Anita Sarkesian have no facts supporting their accusations. They have only lies, exploitation of concern for women, and existing social stereotypes to misuse. They're triggered, fragile children - literal narcissists - who want the world to revolve around their own preferences.
twitter.com/EveKeneinan/status/715679927081832448
As they say, Based Mom is Based.
@@TagSpamCop Thanks for sharing this! I just found her tonight and wondered where all the "Based Mom" comments originated!
I was looking for garbage but found gold.
It's like "all men are trash" but this time "all feminists are trash"
Same here
Holy shit
A factual feminist.
Mind is far beyond blown. Finally, a feminist that looks at the facts
+tay kyles The silent majority *lives*. As a feminist, I don't agree with her views on socialization and individuals' agency (free will is not *physically* tenable), but Cristina Hoff Summers has been very adept at poking holes in the various mythologies of feminist theory. Sadly, every popular movement eventually builds up unfalsified garbage with nigh religious fervor, and we need commentators to excise our bullshit with Ockham's Razor.
+tay kyles Legit, I'm a feminist and beginning to feel strongly dissociated from the modern feminist movement. It's difficult when you believe in something so strongly, but the evidence is there. It's become a rally of lying, misinformation, self victimization and constant man hating. Fucking sick of it, this woman gets labelled as sexist when she's actually got the right fucking idea. It's a bunch of kid college students wanting something to be angry about, and they've bastardized the noble name of feminism.
+HenriFaust Dude you're so right, I completely agree. Feminism needs to be criticized within, but it's becoming strongly silencing to do so. It's not right, as a feminist I need to question my ideals every single day - to not do so is blind.
***** That's No True Scotsman
Anyone who claims to be a feminist is a feminist
tay kyles Keep in mind that that has only been the case since idiot postmodernists decided concrete definitions were just an institution used by the Patriarchy to oppress women.
Anita Sarkeesian: It's possible to support/be a fan of something and criticize it at the same time.
Christina Hoff Sommers: (supports feminism and criticizes it at the same time)
Anita Sarkeesian: Christina Hoff Sommers is not a feminist. You can't be a feminist or support feminism unless you praise it and love it at all times. Feminists must never be criticized.
+FemmaGames I can't tell if this is satire or not. Feminists are so stupid they would actually say this.
+FemmaGames I can not comprehend that people actually believe in internalized misogyny... Christina Hoff Sommers is an amazing feminist who has a long list of achievements in gender issues. She is a leader, in my opinion, on how to be a cultural libertarian.
Both of you are feminists and that is not where you differ.
If you were to criticize her you should focus on that aspect of her. It is clear that you are a cultural Marxist.
+FemmaGames And you're defending losers (such as Sarkeesian) who harass men and ruin gaming! What kind of Feminazi does that? One who only cares about promoting "a good story" over factual truth, that's who. In other words, a sell-out! Same as what's her face from Rolling Stone who published a bogus "rape culture" story and that gal from Feministing who lauded her for it.
The only thing that amazes me about Sommers calling herself a feminist is wondering why she would in any way want to be associated with such a twisted, hate-filled, lying, misandrist AND misogynistic political movement!
Twyla Naythias I think it is obvious. She truly believes in the type of feminism that was popular back in the day. She clings to an old ideal that was stolen away.
TheIdeaGuyXD The odd thing is that I can support Betty Friedan and other old-school feminists who want women to believe that they control their own destinies and determine for themselves what makes them happy. But these blatant man-haters like Andrea Dvorkian, self-entitled whiners like Anita Sarkeesian, and all the sadly deluded failures who honestly believe that gender is a social construct... It's hard to know whether to hate them or pity them.
Sommers deserves far better than in any way being associated with these idiot whack-jobs and their Zeroth-World Problems.
OMG, an ACTUAL feminist. I thought they were extinct.
They are, she's the only one left
Such a joke.
Last time I checked, I'm still alive.
Nah there are like only a dozen or something left and we know two of them that is this woman and Malala Yousufzai
Let's hope that she survive another 50 years and have a girl that is not an sjw is but an actual feminist
This is a real feminist.
Yeah she answers with logic, i really liked her channel. She is a selfaware feminist unlike other "feminazis"
@@mlg_kaju2321 "feminazis"
@@heatyeet6538 yeah that is what i treid to write thanks bro :D
@@mlg_kaju2321 tried* lol my bro you did it again READ MY COMICS
@@deadplthebadass21 fucc my auto correction. İ am so lazy to turn it off
If more feminists were like her, I'd actually take them seriously.
I know right
so true
ditto I like her because she puts facts and with that I end this message
Me too! I'm a huge supporter of Female rights. Things like equal rights for toplessness among other things, but the organisations that run them are insane. Example two FTNC women "that were topless" assaulted Catholic officials by throwing " Holy Water" from bottles in the shape of the Virgin Marry that was topless. They are not helping their own group, they are just making the opposition dig their heels to the ground harder.
same here I support equal rights for EVERYONE with the exception of those radical feminists who are complete and utter dumbasses but this lady knows her shit so good on her
Wow, a feminist that is sensible and reasonable. There needs to be more like her and less Anita Sarkeesians.
fuck the modern feminist, I like the old feminist that actually fought against real shit like equal wages back in the day
+_HAN_MAN_ the word wages made me want potato wedges. mm.
She's a real feminist. The old school kind, not the third wave nut jobs.
+_HAN_MAN_ yes fuck the cancer that is modern feminism
And Zarna Joshi
“They just want to game.”
Exactly right, most of us just love to spend our free time having fun.
Isn't that what life is all about anyway? Having fun?
and yeah if most woman aren't interested in gaming how's that our problem like lmao
I play games all the time but when I don’t I’m usualy my dirt bike
If anyone has never played a game before try
@124Nightwing Hello fellow Okami fan! Okami is one of my favorite games of all time yet it’s been unfairly accused of being sexist. I don’t know why, but for some reason people who bitch and moan about my favorite video games being supposedly sexist make me so goddamn angry. If you want two video games that ARE sexist, then take a look at R*pelay and Cluster’s Revenge.
"Are video games sexist?"
No. But air conditioners are....☺️
Lol
No, *EVERYTHING* is!!
Hahahahahha
Remember there's a dumb saying it was called Remember kids guns don't kill you but games do
seen that one 👌
To be fair, women are objectified frequently in video games. And to a significant degree more than in other media. But, if you look more closely, so are men. Shirtless, sexy men are just as prevalent in video games, if not more so.
Max Power I'd agree to a point. But if you want to see the dark side of objectifying objects, look into Japan's trend toward synthetic relationships. It's not pretty.
Max Power
Like I said. Look into it. It's a symptom of a much greater national population problem.
You also slaughter men by the hundreds of thousands in most shooters.
"More than in other media" Is this a joke? Have you watched any showtime/HBO shows? You've got to be kidding.
Not more so.
Oh my god. This older woman who has hardly played a game in her life is actually on point with the information. You are a paragon of intelligent discussion and even handed research.
She is a pencil because she has a point.
i know this is completely irrelevent but i love your avatar
@m south park
Hmm. Your point makes no sense.
Unless you're talking about the eight 90 degree points on the corners
@m south park and you commented 35 minute before my response. What's your point?
She didn't make a single factual point in the whole video.
Oh my word! A feminist with facts and logic!
"Carefully,she's a hero!"
Feminazis: "Thats impossible."
no, she is not giving facts. Facts are: studies done on 13520 youth aged 11-19 "showed video game expose was related to sexism"…another study 142 participants "results show playing video games containing sexualized female characters increases rape victim blame, when participants’ cognitive resources are low. Negative attitudes towards women in general, and rape myth attitudes in particular"..another study found a link between video game exposure and sexism of more than 13,000 adolescents. Sexism was higher among men with lower socioeconomic status..Finds were true regardless of culture because study was focused on learned behaviors.
News article have addressed sexism in the gaming industry - it was so bad to the point female employees have walked out and companies have been sued! These sexist men are the ones responsible for creating video games sexualizing female characters that gamers play. It’s not a coincidence there’s sexism in the gaming community and female gamers are raising their voices because they’ve had enough. When they do they are shut down and bullied. That’s not creating a positive environment for women.
People aren’t born sexist - it’s learned. Sexism and entertainment should never go hand in hand.
The only thing Christina Hoff Summer is doing is giving her toxic opinion using forms of gaslighting, deflection, excuses, and minimization that invalidates women. You don’t need to be a psychologist to know what that is.
You're the only feminist that *doesn't* make me cringe.
e
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Her and Kurt Cobain
far left is a paranoid victim-mentality cult
0:43 you sure?
thank you so much for actually studying the other side of this situation instead of jumping to conclusions and spouting buzzwords.
we need more voices like yours to speak out against this nonsense.
Damn Shoe0nHead made an appearance let's start the party!!!!!
Yeah. I like this video. This lady has earned some respect from me for sure, and a subscriber.
Agreed too bad the opposition will spin it and debunk her credibility over some irrelevant matter, and then the cycle repeats again and again.
Yay Shoe!
I have hope, and it feels glorious. Have you guys herd what is going on on /v/.
This show should be renamed to "the only feminist that uses facts"
Apart from Esther Vilar.
If you don't know her, she's pretty much like if Dick Masterson and Based mom had a child... that's older than them.
Camille Paglia.
The only *famous* feminist that uses facts
It's implied
Ikr
“Older women are the ones playing the most”
-candy crush
People act like games never had female protagonists, my favorite games growing up were Resident Evil 3 and Super Metroid
Until dawn was like half women and is one of my favorites
And no man would fuck with Lara Croft 😅
People forget about Hprizon zero dawn
@@ruairi9733 Lara Croft will put the biggest muscle dude in a headlock before RKO'ing him into the ground bruh.
What about final fantasy 13. Two of the parts of the series you play As Lightning
20 hours a week?
you gotta pump these numbers up.
those are rookie numbers.
I think its very accurate. Most people with jobs and families cant play much more than that.
No matter how much they love playing games.
Raise up, gamers!
6 hours on a Light Monday
Chil Gazi fr
nah not really
"Hipsters with degrees in Cultural Studies."
Her, I like her.
I find it sad that Anita and the other "Hipsters with degrees in Cultural Studies" most likely don't even view her as a "real" feminist.
Nuget She is to feminists what Alucard is to vampires... the REAL OG
Nuget Some of them actually have said she's "dangerous". I'm not kidding.
Nuget And Anita is what Edward Cullen is to vampires... A glitter-y little princess crying in her own crap.
Nemo003 WOW nice comparation
Nemo003 She a real one, n it's making her wanna back hand these bitches.
"now could that be because they are- uh- MALE?"
lmao i love this feminist video so much more than anything buzzfeed could ever come up with
true, buzzfeed's content is shit XD
you know that actually is sexist because it is perpetuating gender expectations that limit the possibilities of mens lives. I think people should have the freedom to not be told how they should be.
@@nobodysXghost yeah people should have freedom to do what they like.
Bringing gender issues in to these games and telling men games are misogynistic is really opposing thier freedom of choice by guilt tripping them.
@@Naveenkr7102 no one said men are being misogynistic by playing these games. I really dont think you've watched Anita's videos. it's just pointing out that there is sexism in it, which is something that can cause people to question whether they want to make games by the status quo, opening the possibilities of game creativity.
@@nobodysXghost You know. I would believe you if it weren't for the fact that Sarkeesian cherry picked a bunch of video games out of context in order to prove her point. She doesn't even play them, just take out videos by other youtubers. How you can still respect whatever comes out of her mouth at that point is beyond me. She thinks every video games ever made is sexist in some way or another. Even if she have to really reach for it
You can't deny that she's spitting straight facts.
no, she is not giving facts. Facts are studies done on 13520 youth aged 11-19 "showed video game expose was related to sexism"…another study 142 participants "results show playing video games containing sexualized female characters increases rape victim blame, when participants’ cognitive resources are low. Negative attitudes towards women in general, and rape myth attitudes in particular"..another study found a link between video game exposure and sexism of more than 13,000 adolescents. Sexism was higher among men with lower socioeconomic status..Finds were true regardless of culture because study was focused on learned behaviors.
News article have addressed sexism in the gaming industry - it was so bad to the point female employees have walked out and companies have been sued! These sexist men are the ones responsible for creating video games sexualizing female characters that gamers play. It’s not a coincidence there’s sexism in the gaming community and female gamers are raising their voices because they’ve had enough. When they do they are shut down and bullied. That’s not creating a positive environment for women.
People aren’t born sexist - it’s learned. Sexism and entertainment should never go hand in hand.
The only thing Christina Hoff Summer is doing is giving her toxic opinion using forms of gaslighting, deflection, excuses, and minimization that invalidates women. You don’t need to be a psychologist to know what that is.
"hipsters with degrees in cultural studies."
Bingo.
Marco Yolo Day bing fuckio
Bingio
far left is a paranoid victim-mentality cult
@@mikelisteral7863 far right isn’t much different?
@@Kevin-ie2lg left and right are opposites.
"Hardcore gamers" "20 hours a week"
*Laughs*
Over a weekend I hit nearly that per day.
Hyuracan aye aye, my boy. Shut the fuck up, this is their life. Let them live if wastefully in bliss
Sprekkin Zeedoitch how if you have college courses and a job then us but if you only have a job the you'd burn 20 hours in 2 days at least, come on now.
lmao i atleast have 50 or 60 hours a week
+Sprekkin Zeedoitch 20 hours per week, week is 7 days. Result: about 2.9 hours per day. Ok, let's count the fact that on some days you don't play at all, then it's, say, 3.5-4 hours in the days you play. That's full raid in Destiny 2 (plus maybe some more activities), 2-5 ranked matches in CS:GO, an average session in GTA V online mode, 4-6 raids in Escape from Tarkov. All in all, a standart gaming session, nothing hardcore about it. As for "for an adult, 20 hours is hardcore gaming" - I study in uni and work. As stated above, you easily burn 20 hours in 2-3 days.
According to Liana K, who's a geek/gamer and a brilliant mind.
No video games are not inherently sexist, as for the major demographic being male. Why that is, is completely irrelevant, it's just a statistic and it doesn't mean, or prove anything.
A point you touched on in the video: that most male gamers like games with action, strong male protagonists and attractive women. What irks me to no end is that feminists often make that seem like a bad thing. Am I being sexist by liking attractive women in games? Too bad then.
dafuq is this shit? feminist that actually makes sense and proving her points by actual facts? that cant be real, its too reasonable and awesome :(
***** It's because she's a rational feminist, as opposed to the radicals that have infiltrated the movement
its more like she infiltrated the movement, cause 99% of active feminists are radicals
***** Yes, MODERN feminists, but not old school baby boomer feminists. Most of those are now deceased, or their getting up in age.
CraftBeerHead either way, they are basically an extinct specie and cant counterweight the idiocy of today´s feminism
CraftBeerHead
*coughanitasarkeesiancough*
only 20h a week? casuals
+ThePanicLegend hahaha my thoughts exactly!
Shit man I play 40-50h a week
+ThePanicLegend 20h a week is very casual. 88 hours this week alone, and that's between working and all.
+ThePanicLegend 18hrs a day. erryday. for months on end. get on my lvl
+ThePanicLegend "Noobs"
Love this woman.she is so gentle and logical.
Thank you, thank you for actually being a feminist.
"hipsters with degrees in cultural studies"
Blown the fuck out.
Try "hipster BULLIES..."
That made me laugh. I still
Really? Like maybe into a decaying low orbit so she'd bounce off Earth's atmosphere with fuck all life support or fuel?
WATCH YOUR LANGUAGE AROUND MOM!
I was referring to Sarkeesian, DEFINITELY not CHS.
Omg thank you! No bullshit, No making up facts, No we hate all things males likes, No all girl gamers are victims bull shit, And all the facts right! 10/10 this sadly is one of very few feminism videos on youtube that is not filled with hate towards male gamers :/ All we want to do is game and have a good time we don't care who you are except if you have high ping then pleas get out! ;) Thanks for a good video!
AnderZEL speaking the truth.
Happy you saw this video too AnderZel
Anderz in the house! :D
Completely agree, and by the way if someone is mean towards a girl then chances are they are mean to guys as well.
#ForTheKids #ForTheGamers
That moment when a feminist watches a World War 2 game and doesnt see a woman
After seeing a clip of this video on a video by The Act Man, I was originally thinking that she would present a few logical thoughts and then give a lot of bs research. But, after watching the whole video, I'm very on board. Keep preaching, sister!
Same
Top 10 mythical creatures that turned out to be real
Magicalpotato93 Jeebus Chrysler its Mason Wort
Number 4: A reasonable feminist
Magicalpotato93 number 3: a mobile heavyweight (Jujimufu)
Lol
90 percent of their female gamers are playong candy crush
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Oney! I have found you. You shall never escape from my sight again...
Show this to Cory, he'll like it.
Yee.
Oney, you piece of crap, what are you doing watching youtube videos? Don't you have cartoons to draw or something? Why can't you be cool like Stamper and make videos about foxes that shit on your things?
He's a normal person like you and me, it isn't like he creates cartoons outta thin air... Plus Stamper is crazy, who tells someone to come live with them out of the blue. Also read his tweets, nigga needs to lay off the pipe.
Damn bro I didn’t know feminists could form a logical opinion using real research
I will say, as a hardcore gamer woman, there have been times where men have interrogated me about my choice in games to judge whether I'm a "real gamer" or not, and that can be frustrating. I'd say that's the only mysoginistic thing I've ever really seen in the gaming community. But most of the time when I tell guys I game, they just get excited that they have another gaming friend!
I get that from guys to but I'm guessing it's because so many women think mobile games are the same as console/PC games.
If a hardcore gamer is a gamer who plays more than 20 hours a week, then I must be a god
Myric they usually refer to me as “no life” but god sounds vetter
I think no life is the term they call us
If you must be a god then I must be an being larger than god himself
But you still play more then 20 hours a week right?
Yeah
More women need to stand up like she does and stop spewing bullshit like Anita Sarkeesian does.
👏👏👏👏
Roos Rommens wut
+Django Mandingo *clapping* I totally agree.
*stands up and starts clapping*
+Polarizing Hey, don't clap. It's triggering. If you must show appreciation, use jazz hands. :P
I cant believe I just watched this entire video and she did nothing but speak the truth.
Honestly saw feminist in the title and thought it was gonna be someone siding with the stereotypical feminists but I am pleasantly surprised to find a feminist with actual facts.
The people in WOW don't care about real life race, sex or anything of the sort. They only judge you on one thing: Alliance, or horde?
They don't cry out in rage and make ridiculous claims to become famous, like certain other individuals. Hurray for sanity \o/
Kinky Fish Well of course Horde is the best, :)
Kinky Fish Not just WoW almost everyone in any mmorpg is like that. Gamers for the win!
Okinomi I'm one of those people that would do something like this.
Random guy:"Black Mage or White Mage?"
Me:"Neither. Red Mage!"
moebius eight Of course! Blizzard mostly plays Horde, Can there be any doubt as to why Horde is the best?
THIS is the feminism I could sign up for.
I am guessing you watched this after watching the Amazing atheist? I saw you commented there too lol
Matt Clark Traditional feminism, which is basically egalitarianism, is a school of thought that she is a part of. Feminism is not a black and white ideology, however it would seem the current ruling party is more interested in the establishment of a matriarchy than they are with breaking down the patriarchy and setting up true equality. We are all one.
Matt Clark Originally feminism was exactly what this fine lady portrays. But modern ones often tend to take it one step further and are generally sexists that loathe men or the sort. That doesn't make them feminists but it makes them sexists.
Not the feminist Gotham deserves, but the feminist it needs
Once upon a time, feminism did aim for equality. When women did not have basic rights it was necessary. Now there is imbalance. Women can assault men, almost always get the children in a custody dispute and are the only ones who get any attention on issues. We need equalists and humanists now. People who can go issue to issue and talk out the details of how to make them more equal for both genders.
This is... I honestly didn't expect this. Absolutely nailed it. Perfectly done. Didn't belittle either side of the argument, went and did actual research. Not "research" where you look for only the things supporting your own argument and nothing else. This was an honest outsider of the situation coming in and covering the topic perfectly. Absolutely wonderful. I want to shake this woman's hand as do many others who've seen this video probably.
When discussing sexism in video games, no one bats an eye that most male heroes appear as handsome, buff, have a 6 pack and are frequently shirtless.
Wow her title is correct. She is a factual feminist.
I will at least say she knows how to brand herself. But some of her claims, lack evidence, and in other cases she includes evidence that when looked at says a lot less than what she is actually claiming. But that's no different then what is done on the other side by folks like feminist frequency. I would guess Anita bends her narrative around her evidence quite a bit more, but I tend not to spend much time in videos that lean to heavily on one side of the gender war or another. There tends to be quite a bit of drama, and if not at least agenda's at play that tend to light up the drama more.
Short of a lot of rhetorical hand waving, can you show where she actually engages with Anita Sarkeesians critique, or disproves it? Because as far as I can tell, video games are still employing a lot of sexist tropes. I would know, I play a lot
R you a furry
Nah the title is wrong she is an ACTUAL feminist, third wave "feminists" arent shit
@@jekzinder16 Not really.
"Hipsters with degrees in cultural studies"
Perfect description of a lot of these 3rd-wave Feminists XD
And gaming "journalists"
Back in the 90s in the arcades, no one was ever remotely upset if we saw a woman or girl playing video games. In fact we'd always be extra acomadating because as men and we enjoyed the company of women.
Man this is the type of feminist I would actually like to have a civil debate with and discuss our differences politely, rather than having women yell "YOUR JUST A PRIVILEGED MASOGANISTIC WHITE MALE!!" and "WE DESERVE MORE RIGHTS BECAUSE IT ISN'T FAIR" even tho proof finds they have more protective rights, including the fact that most times they cannot be charged for rape. Good on you factual feminist, I can finally say I was happy while listening to a feminist.
"Hipsters with degrees in cultural studies."
OOOOH SNAP
ikr I was like oh zing she went there!
Same reaction I had, but I have to wonder if she meant it literally or as an insult. After all, "hipster" is an actual thing.
This has to be the most intelligent and logical response I've ever heard come out of this entire situation recently.
Not joking?
Bryant You better fucking believe there's nothing funny about that statement.
CrimsonDrake90 I expected more/better. He's funny and I felt this post was him doing a bit.
If you die in terraria, I will weep giant salty tears.
SpaceHamster
JEFF??! I did NOT expect you here!
Damn,never thought i'd see the day that there would be a feminist that
1.uses sources to back up what she says
2.does actual field and desk research
3.presents them in a calm collected manor
And
4.uses actual facts and evidence instead of "feelings"
Keep it up mate you're doing great
(This is the first time i've ever said something nice to a "third wave feminist")
2:44 this line just makes me feel happy and has restored my faith in humanity.
Can you replace Anita? please? PLEASE!?
Jair Artis I pray everyday for that
Jaden Holt I pray someone will disprove Feminist Frequency. (Emma Watson please do it.)
If only there was a god i pray to them to make it so.
I dislikes not because i diss agree but because it's at 69 and i can't ruin that
yes please...but of course that will never happen...
I don't understand why this video has so many dislikes.
Is it simply because she is rational and speaking logically, so the people whom support the idea that games transform harmless individuals into bloodthirsty rapists at the sight of a full moon or whatever crazy ideas they have on the matter are upset by it?
Props to her for not being an experienced Karen.
“Video games incite violence and racism and discrimination and whatnot” -Feminazis
Me: Chooses nice dialogue options to avoid hurting NPC’s feelings
This woman right here, you have my undying respect. You've got a subscriber :)
SPAAAGH
watsyurdeal true I wish there were more feminist like her
+PlayButton i wish there were no feminists
RootinTootin Pootin Maybe but I can easily live with a feminist like here...
+RootinTootin Pootin you are wrong feminists are needed or wanted
who we wish are not there are feminazis
Thank you.
You are awesome, too! Keep up the good work!
Travy CrankdAT OH I wouldn't call Karen a feminist, but share your sentiment
I don't think we need to force current developers to head people's creative advice with how they should make their game. If we try to appease everyone the gaming industry will become bland completely regular and uninteresting thus killing the gaming culture. What we need is more divers developers such as females this work in the same way as adding more diversity to baseball helped the industry.
Travy CrankdAT she is not a feminist,she even has the video declaring that she is not a feminist
Shadowsong10 I don't think that makes what she said not true
Zero Dawn
Assassin's Creed
Fallout
Tomb raider
Those are some games
KOMMANDAT JAY what do you mean?
@@lauens games where there is a female protagonist
Most assassins creed games featured males. I think you mean specifically oddesey
There are a lot of other games
Alien isolation is one
"If you can't handle the trash talk
you aren't a real gamer"
Finally someone with a brain. I applaud this woman.
I love this woman!!!! Perfectly described the situation with being a rational human being. if I could, I would personally thank her!!!
Why not buy her book "Who Stole Feminism? How Women Betrayed Women" to show your support or attend her conferences if she ever attends it near your area? That would be amazing.
***** i will look for that right now! thanks!
*****
It's a great book. You're going to read it from cover to cover and you'll enjoy it.
*****
Just a followup, here are the other book that she wrote:
The War Against Boys: How Misguided Feminism Is Harming Our Young Men
Vice and Virtue in Everyday Life
***** sign me up for 20!
Modern feminist are right
Why commit heinous act within a videogame (Theft, murder, rape, etc) when I can commit to these action in real life, the most realistic game of all time ?
Finally an actual separation of what type of games that people play
Wow, a balanced, logical argument. Very refreshing to see somebody take the time to look at both sides of the coin and not to "cherry pick" like so many others
To repeat a joke from somewhere, "She's done more research in a few weeks than Anita Sarkeesian has since 2011"
Wet Rellk
Where in this video does she say she's played a video game? That's 90% of the argument about Sarkeesian, accusations that she's not a gamer so doesn't get an opinion. Yet this lady says she's read a few things about games and everything she says is eaten right up.
SuperMatureUsername She clearly states she hasn't and that she is a researcher; that she pored through statistics, other data, spoke to gamers (yeah, communicating with one's target audience directly, how about that?) - she doesn't try and brush things over by pretending to be a gamer the way Sarkeesian does. Did you even watch the video?
Rose Collins
I did yeah, I watched as she completely disregarded the opinions of minorities who play games and implying that only the majority matters.
First off, it was a joke I found funny on the internet ad decided to repost here because I have no life. Second, that's kind of the point. She is not a gamer and yet after several weeks has presented an argument based off of factual evidence and logical thinking. I do think that a few of Anita Sarkeesian's points do have merit. However the evidence she a large amount of the evidence she provides is either taken out of context from both the game and story (Dragon Age: Origins from her recent video springs to mind as well as Red Dead Redemption Bioshock Bioshock 2 Far Cry 3 and Dishonored) or a downright fabrication (Hitman series and Mafia 2).
Thanks for suggesting I don't necessarily need to feel guilty for liking games like Lollipop Chainsaw.
I kind of feel bad for this woman, she gets a bad name because of all the other “feminists”
a feminist that isnt a bitch, ITS A MIRACLE!!!!
Finally someone to hear that's actually thinking before speak...
XD
finally someone that shares my ignorance!
''If you disagree with me, you're ignorant''. Keep crying baby, you got rekt.
fede018 I will trust her over someone who does not even know how to properly support a dishonest argument, Anita was saying that Hitman: Absolution encourages violence against the random strippers even as in the background she was losing 400 or 500 points per each civilian non-target she killed.
fede018 Audacityscape Am I hearing the cry of kids with no arguments? I think I am.
I should make a Tropes vs Men in Romance Novels series. I could make thousands of dollars.
Dew it!
Go for it! You imagine the media storm? People far and wide would totally support this just to prove the point it's no different than the mindless spew Ana Sarkeesian is spreading.
Or even just a Tropes vs Men in video games.
Yeah, sounds great! Go start a kickstarter campaign and make thousands of dollars off of it and then release only one video every few months or so and act like a victim.
Claudia Garnet Brilliant!! The outcries of HYPOCRISY coming out from the right-wing EXTREMIST feminists would be glorious. Pie in their face!
Most of the women who considered as gamers, are playing whit phone's, phone gamers are not really gamers.
If only people didn't feel the need to find problems that don't exist.
I wouldn't call her a feminist, when i think of a feminist i think about male hating females.
This lady is awesome,
Equalism ftw.
I call the crazy feminists like Sarkeesian and Rebeca Watson as Feminazis.
Or as one politician in Sweden on live TV called em, feminist talibans :P
ParasiteX Haha nice!
CHS refers to herself as an "equity feminist" (ie: the dictionary definition of "feminism"). She refers to the feminism you are referring to as "gender feminism"
This idea of "struggling against the male patriarchy in a misogynist culture" as feminism is relatively new.
***** none the less i prefer the term equalism over feminism.
Don't worry i don't make a big deal out of it. I just think equalism is more accurate.
Thanks for you input i never heard "misandrists" before. ;)
ParasiteX You meen "All men are talibans - Schyman"?
I'm a hard core gamer girl, and a mom. I love all the sexy characters, male and female. Sebastian Castellanos? Gorgeous. Amanda Ripley? Lara Croft? So cute.
Nice pic :)
TheKeijo95 Haha, thanks, yours too.
Can we take a moment to cherish Carlitos from Dead rising
nobletea 3400 lol
Can you be my mom?
Did you died?
logic: I did, but I survived.
I hate getting hit on, I just want to play. Some guys get really creepy, then mean ♥
Hi babe you free tonight?
"I was just boutta go to bed
I know we couldn't skype tonight
But that's alright
Godnight girl
I'll see you tomorrow
"
- Twomad 2019
You speak with wisdom and experience. Best of all, you aren't going around condemning people. That is the problem I see most of all when it comes to any kind of sociological discussion in the media today. People are quick to put the blame on a group and crusade a cause AGAINST them. "Video games objectify women? MUST STOP MEN! ALL MEN ARE TO BLAME!" This kills the logic.
Oh wow, I didn't expect to see you when scrolling down in the comments. :P
But yeah, this woman rules.
I never expected to see saberspark in the comments of a random video I'm watching. I'm going to go watch re-watch your videos. Glad to see you're still active on CZcams. Keep on trucking.
Actually, there has been a study on the preferences in protagonists in video games, done by one of the early iron ladies of gaming;
Apparently us guys don't seem to care much about the gender of the protagonist. While our feminine counterparts do seem to prefer women. Heck, some guys - when able - choose a female protagonist.
Now, is that misogyny? Or just badly done market research?
A male playing as female is male power fantasy and misogyny.
Scrub Wave clearly, because wanting to play a woman is such a bad thing. O.O Seriously?
DataEntity I'm playing as a female character in Dark Souls II right now. I've also heard, though, that boys tend not to read books written by females (though not true in my case). But that was the reason why Joanne Rowling became J.K. Rowling. (Saw that on a bio about her on Bloomberg)
It's biological; just google "own group preference by gender"
Women show a 100% preference for women, and men show an 80% preference for ........ women also.
It's simple. It's not misogyny - it's realism. When some people play games, they want to fantasize and lose themselves in an escapist world wherein they do amazing things that they could not do in real life - but it's so realistic that it's *close* to real life. So, is it realistic if a man goes and steals a car playing as a female character? Hell no. People play as their own gender and model their character after themselves for one reason: *realism*. When will SJWs learn this? It's a fairly simple concept to grasp.
It's nice knowing that actual feminists still exist
Before you make any argument or just here to dislike the video, watch the video first it may change your perspective.
I'm curious, why is there a "Male gaming culture" and why are they scared of it dying? What's wrong with games continuing to become more inclusive? I'm not saying we need to see the end of male protagonists or damsels in distress, but how would it be bad to flip the script? Why can't Zelda fight along side Link? Yeah, some people are taking things too far, this goes for both sides of the argument, always does, someone is going to jump the shark. But if you step back and think reasonably for a second, the gaming industry and gaming culture as a whole has nothing to lose by including women, but so much to gain. With a larger audience, we can see more ideas, more possibilities. Gaming companies will have a much larger audience to advertize to, more revenue, meaning more money to pump into new titles and ideas.
Just wanted to say I really appreciate this video. As a female gamer I was really offended when Anita Sarkessian attacked gamers the way she did. I've never thought of video games as sexist. I'm 29 and I've been playing games since I was 8. I wouldn't mind her videos so much if she didn't just focus on the women or if she didn't outright lie about certain games. She tries so hard to make it seem like females are the only ones objectified in games. My prime example is Kratos from the God of War series, she complains that women are not only objectified but they're not dressed properly for battle. Throughout the GoW series the camera focuses a lot on Kratos best asset, his bulging muscles and not only that but he wears a loincloth to fight in. I could literally name tons of examples where guys are "eye candy" in video games and where ridiculous clothes. Wish they would stop attacking no issues and focus on real ones!
WOW! =O
That last sentence there is my biggest gripe with third-wave feminists and SJWs. There are legitimate issues out there that could be improved, but those people waste time that could be spent raising awareness of and fixing them with nonsense that doesn't matter.
Is it really a big deal if there are sexy looking characters? I don't think that means we are "objectifying" them.
"Is it really a big deal if there are sexy looking characters? I don't think that means we are "objectifying" them."
And even if you objectified them, they still need to prove the harm in that.
This women says facts
Speakin' Fax
I've been a gamer my whole life, everything she said is true
I'm a girl who loves games. Games are for entertainment. If you don't like games with guys as hero's, don't play games with guys as hero's. its not about physical sex or anything like that. Its about having a bit of fun. I'm not offended by the girls in little to no clothing, in fact one of my favorite games is Lollipop Chainsaw, but if you are offended, don't play those games. That simple
+BlueTeamPlayer you're totally right. but a lot of people say its sexist. 😶
+Slimebeast Pug that's sweet lol. Most girls I know who actually play the games agree they aren't sexist, but just good fun.
I don't know, things like the Hawkeye Initiative address the topic in a very fun and harmless way.
The problem for me, is when they start making a REALLY big deal about it, taking it to the ONU like it's a matter of life and death and using it to manipulate young people into some extreme feminism mentality.
Mauricio_Ibieta I get where you're coming from. Most of it comes from over sensitivity. We see sexism where it doesn't exist because we're taught its everywhere.
Fun Fact: A male friend of mine is playing GTA 5 with a female character. Also a female friend of mine is playing GTA 5 with a female character. She's the one always just giving her character a bikini. According to Anita Sarkeesian that would mean she's sexist. lol
finally a feminist who looks at it the actual, factual way. can't tell how happy i am to see there are reasonable peopel left in the world.
she calls herself a feminist. shes been a feminist since the beginning. as such, she IS a feminist.
Matt Clark And who are you to say she's not a feminist? And who's that big entity of feminism that declared they now hate her? Tumblr Activists?
UnlimitedBladeWork
Feminism itself is the idea of equal rights for men and women alike. Most people are feminist, but we only look at the extreme feminist and think that all feminists are insane.
“Factual Feminist”
*Impossible*
20 hours? widen the margin hardcore gamers may play 20 hours in a sitting in games like dark souls or even minecraft.
Thumbs Freaking Up. Feminists need people like you to have their more vocal side taken care of, instead of these misandrist people who dont know what they are talking about and fail to double check anything or even think. You are brilliant, and I want every gamer to see this.
Agree. Along with more females in Smash Bros
Don't get this the wrong way, but why in the world is there still feminism? And I don't mean 'the batshit crazy kind', just all feminism. Isn't humanism more inclusive for every group and doesn't that mindset come closer to an overall feeling of equality?
An actual honest question :-P
There are two houses. One of them is on fire. But you decide to use the hose *equally* for both houses. See how little sense that makes? That's why we need feminism.
Of course all human lives are important. But let's face it, we're living in a world where men mostly have the upper hand. Wage gaps between the sexes hurt women more than they do men, we still, unfortunately, live in a world where many a parent tells their female child that it's "not right" for them to be interested in male geared topics (whether it be something as simple as comic books to a major field of study like science), it is mostly women who get raped, sexually abused/harassed...it's important to direct attention to this one group. That's why.
pencilstreak9
_"See how little sense that makes?"_
That does make little sense, indeed. Who says we do not have multiple hoses? That you personally do not have the capacity or the will to spread your attention to both sides, does not mean we as society do not have the means.
_"Wage gaps between the sexes hurt women more than they do men"_
Oh? Really? Are you sure about that? And if so, mind showing me the studies that support this?
_"we still, unfortunately, live in a world where many a parent tells their female child that it's "not right" for them to be interested in male geared topics"_
That's not a rights issue. Btw, the reverse is equally true
_"it is mostly women who get raped"_
Of course we do. It is also mostly men who get falsely accused of rape and have their lives ruined. Doesn't mean the reverse doesn't happen, does mean that the problem exists across both sexes and should be addressed as such
_"sexually abused/harassed"_
If you mean, men are less likely to feel sexually abused and in fact are seen as 'pussies' for feeling this way, you are absolutely correct
_"That's why."_
You have not said *anything* that makes me think we should focus on one group. Nothing
pencilstreak9
The wage gap is also an urban myth. Income disparity only appears if feminists offer you a generic examination of the category "doctors."
However, if you start to get specific and, say, separate the occupation of doctors into "pediatricians" vs. "surgeons," you will start to see that women overwhelmingly prefer naturally lower-paying jobs such as the former, whereas men more often than not lean towards the much more high-paying latter. Additionally, even for women within the same *specific* specialized field as a larger group of men, multiple human resources studies have shown that women are much less likely to ask for raises, or even "shake the boat" of the company's culture in any way to begin with.
In other words, the glass ceiling may be a self-inflicted problem.
Christina Sommers herself put it best: if the so-called "patriarchy" was somehow getting away with paying women less for the exact same work, there would never be a *single* man hired were a woman competing for his spot. Since that is most definitely not the case in American professions today, we are left with only a single logical conclusion.
For the sake of your own gender's well-being, please try to reach it.
My fiance is a passionate gamer herself and loves how much more inclusive and artistic games have gotten over the last 10 or so years. She finds that there are plenty of titles that are woman-friendly (Horizon Zero Dawn, Uncharted etc) and just laughs off the ones featuring hyper sexualised females as 'boys just being boys'. Bayonetta is a big favourite of hers and finds the character's oversexualisation way more funny than anything else.
Wooow. This is what a feminist should be. Not one who believes the postal service is stalking her. Nor one who yells at an old man for saying hello.
I can't believe how soothing it is to hear somebody speak so eloquently on this subject with logic and rationality. Thanks Christina.
what kind of casual only plays for 20 hours a week?
Yetaxa You a part time nigga? GAMING IS LIFE YOU NEED TO DO IT FULLTIME.
+Yetaxa Careful now heathen, the Based Mom shall disown you as part of the master race if you don't play at least 25 hours of video games a day.
this has to be the best feminist that exists on planet earth in this day an age
"Most" women in candy crush and mobile games are counted in the women gamer part