Miter Hacks and Patio Prep - THE MOUNTAIN PT. 4
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- čas přidán 7. 01. 2023
- We are moving on to trim details on the deck and we will show you some really useful tricks for achieving long lasting tight miters on your composite deck boards. We are also beginning to excavate for the paver patio and install our stone base. We run into a few problems along the way, but that's all part of the process!
TOOLS AND ACCESSORIES WE LIKE!
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Deckorators Voyage Series decking in Costa and Tundra
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ProWood MCA treated lumber
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Fantastic idea. I have used the Kreg for other wood projects but never thought about using it on composite decking. Thanks for a great way to keep the corners together.
As a deck builder myself I LEARNED A TON of stuff from you guys and love the vids. Keep it going.
Love to hear that!! That’s the best thing about the internet, we can all learn from each other!
I have to tell you that watching your vlogs had really given me some great tips and tricks and design ideas. So thank you for all the time you guys take making these videos. Between material delays, weather delay’s and making these vlogs it is definitely an impact on the schedule, so thank you for sharing your knowledge.
I really appreciate that rob!! It’s definitely a lot of work to make these videos but we have so much fun doing it that it’s all worth it in the end, especially when we read comments like this!
Thank you for inviting us into your world, sharing tips and showing us how things get done, good and bad. I, along with others, appreciate the genuine enjoyment from the work you all seem to have and the sometimes, ‘today’s a tough one’ too.
Thanks for the kind words man!!
You guys rock! From one deck builder to another, your design and execution is top level in our industry. Thank you for the vlog’s, good vibes, and incredibly helpful advice! May God bless y’all in 2023!
Thanks so much my friend!! Means a lot coming from another deck builder, have a great year!!
Great work as always guys. 👍👍🏴🏴
Appreciate your support Tony!!
All the details look awesome! Incredible work, keep it up and keep the videos coming!
Thanks a lot mike! Hope you like the new ones too!
Great stuff as always keep up the amazing projects
Thanks a lot Ramon!!!
Great stuff!! 🎉 Keep it up!
Appreciate the support as always my friend!!
Very Helpful. Like the tight to tight pencil tip
Glad you liked it! The pencil bevel tip is one of my favorites that I have learned from ant
Love from Canada !
Love back from New Jersey!
So much skill!! Be well!
Really appreciate that my friend!! Thank you for the support 👊👊
Happy New Year from across the pond. Time to plan something like this must be insane. Perfection can’t be rushed tho. Your guys personalities is starting to shine through, love it. Videographer is excellent and deserves some praise. Editing is top notch.
Happy new year my friend!! So glad we found a video guy and he’s so much better than me and Catherine were! Really appreciate the feedback, the support means a lot!
I am super happy to see your wife is helping out and that you are real people!
Catherine? She's not my wife, just a woman with a career of her own!
@@THEpremieroutdoor Wow, I feel stupid and how sexist of me to think she was. My apologies!
love the intro!
Appreciate that my friend, going for the 90s sitcom feel lol
Love the stair treads, thats what i have been doing with our stairs. Love that the fascia color isnt the same color as the outer tread deck board. Looks super clean and unique. Mud sucks!
Appreciate that my friend!! I’m digging these deeper treads we did here, and mud certainly sucks big time 😅
Clay mud too.😖😩
Thanks for the tips with Tony. That was a very great tip. Work looks great. Subscribing and following now.
Welcome my friend!! Tony is full of great tips!
Great soil tips
Thanks buddy!
Wanted to take time to acknowledge how amazing y’all’s work is but most importantly, how amazing your team is. When you have a great team, your work shines bright. I believe that. Keep it up brother 👊🏼
I seriously appreciate that Barry!! I’m incredibly lucky to have the team we have, I wouldn’t be able to do any of this without them!! And we have a ton of fun together which helps!
@@THEpremieroutdoor anytime man! you’re absolutely right! I’m working on building my team for my electrical company now and of course I strive to have a team like yours. Enjoy your jobs, enjoy your coworkers, and your results will show at the end of every job
Couldn’t agree more!
I enjoy all your videos. In the beginning I thought you guys were going to say “this is the mountain project, welcome to jackas*”
🤣🤣🤣 I appreciate the support my friend!!
The intro and outro were money! As well as the Design Time clip with the Master Designer showing off his clean CAD rendering while explaining the layout and the different levels. Any of you going to the IBS in Vegas?
Happy new year guys - love the tips from the Ant man! Will 2023 be the year that POL moves to 4k?? Love watching the team work on the 65 inch tv!
Happy new year my friend!! Ant is an endless wealth of knowledge so there will be more of that coming your way. We’ll have to see how much more storage we’d need to shoot everything in 4k, we already burn through so many memory cards and hard drives 😅
I do the same to the joints, but with biscuits instead of pocket screws.
So, no gaps needed for temps changes, expansion of the mitered corners?
I'm in the process of doing my first small deck project, and would like tight miters.
With biscuits, do you use a special type, and a compatible glue?
TIA
@@hnd2893 the amout of expansion is determined by temp range and length of the pieces connected. I can't recall the exact numbers, but there won't be any problem with how short stair steps are. I am an electrician and we do have to add expansion sleves or outdoor pvc conduit for certain length runs. For very long runs you could make it two pieces where the one that will miter only goes to the closest rail post (>6' or so). I am in mn and haven't had callbacks for 6' miters.
If you are a stilled carpenter, you could do what drdeck does and cut end pieces and solvent weld the end to hide the cut. Just use butt ends and not worry about miters. I only use Azek, which is pvc and use pretty much any clear pvc cement that you normally use for plumbing. Just make sure to put masking take over the exposed sides incase there is squeeze out, just wiped it off before it hardens and the tape will keep the surface clean. They do sell biscuits in pvc, but they are very expensive since it is a niche market. I just use regular #10 wood biscuits to help align the surface and use pvc cement to fuse it. No idea about other composits of mixed fiber and I was never satisfied with the supglue strength.
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Thanks!
I'm considering options, in my particular application, I'm mitering a 4' to a 16' piece, temps in my area can go from below 40°F to 90°+F in a day, it gets direct sunlight spring thru fall.
I've been out in the garage 4 times now looking for my Kreg Mitering jig, I know I have one, somewhere :O)
As a carpenter, that actually is installing a 3 tier trex deck leading to a pool, this is the very first construction channel I’ve ever watched for more than 10 minutes. The first one I not only have not a bit of criticism, but actually learned multiple tips and techniques as well as different methods to execute end results I actually implement. Spectacularly spectacular crew and vlog. The first CZcams channel I ever subscribed to, and finally, the first time I look forward to the next episode. You guys popped several of my “first time “cherries so with that being said, what time should i expect you to pick me up for dinner? Asking because momma didn’t raise a whore, so you’re going to treat me like a lady…..ok, too far maybe? lol keep up the great work Jedi
Would you use pocket holes on a miter for a long picture frame board?
I find myself saying "locked in for justice" ALL the time
How was your holidays?
You got a great channel
The fact that locked in for justice is being used somewhere out in the world makes me really happy 🤣🤣 We all had a great holiday, nice and relaxing, hopefully the same for you my friend!
On the stair treads do you cut a deck board in half for the thinner section or does the decking come in that width?
Muuuuch better intro! Now needs a spinning logo or some logo flash up real quick. Great stuff! Growing baby!
How you like the last couple, trying some new stuff!!
I'd also like to know how you manage expansion and contraction issues with the tight joints and miters. How do they hold up over time?
Nice work. Is there any concern with no gap on the pocket hole corners? Thanks in advance for the reply
The mitered joints dont contract in Temp changes with the pocket screw detail?
Great job, so no PVC glue is required when you pocket hold the miters?
Hi there. Great stuff. My contractor just finished my picture frame stairs and the corners look like crap. Now I have to go and make them perfect because I'm OCD. What size bit did you use?
Also what depth setting did you use on the Kreg K4?
Can you do this with grooved boards with a square edge?
awesome segmentation with design time and tool tips. keeps it really interesting. almost like talk show format. stinks that you keep getting rain. couldn't you tarp the area with plastic?
Glad you liked that!! We’ve been trying to figure out ways to pop in more tips and some design ideas so I’m really glad you noticed and enjoyed it! We probably could but don’t have a tarp big enough, might be time to get one 😅
When leveling out your joists are you using a planer or a sander? How are you testing the soils composition?
Already answered your planer question, but the simple way we can test the soil is doing the worm test, roll it out in your hands and the longer and skinnier you can make it without breaking the more clay it has
Really basic question here.
What bit is in your drill when your fixing the screws? I live in the UK and haven't seen it before THANKS 👌🏾
It’s made by a company called starborn who also makes the plugs!
Love your videos and tips/tricks. Question, when using the pocket holes on the stair treads, do you use fine or coarse thread screws? Keep it coming gang.
Course. Better grip.
no joist tape, or glue on the miters?
Anthony is like a 30 year old with 50 years of experience. 8:06 for the Tony Miter Tip
Ain't that the truth!
Anthony looks like Trogdor when he's burninating the countryside
Hahaha that’s hilarious
Honest question
I thought composite deck boards couldn’t have tight mitres because of expansion and contraction in colder to warmer climates
I read the manufacture specs and it called for really big gaps in the mitres Which I thought was ugly but necessary
Was I incorrect ? Live in Canada and it was TimberTech
Called for 3/16 gap in any butt joints when installing below 32
A butt joint is not a mitre joint But will still expand or contract length way
What brand and size fastener do you guys use to screw the miter on the stair treads?
Looks awesome!
We usually use the power pro fasteners from Lowe’s, they are 1 1/4”. Thanks a lot man!!
@@THEpremieroutdoor Thanks for the info and quick reply. Enjoy the rest of your weekend!
Are you not worried about expansion with those treads pocket screwed together like that?
I believe it was Keats that said "A mitre of beauty is a joy forever"
Pretty sure that's how the quote goes!
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No I’m pretty sure that was Thoreau! 🤣🤣
@@THEpremieroutdoor 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Great work! What software are you using? I really like that one
Real Time Landscape Architect!
@@THEpremieroutdoor awesome thank you!!
I see you guys are joining the boards so tight. No space at all for expansion/contraction?
Nope! This is Deckorators so minimal expansion and contraction!
What type /size of pocket screws are you using on them miters?
Another video I saw and the guy was using 1 & 5/8 #8 screws to secure the miter. Make sure the screws are weather proof.
@@EtoTheKay Thanks for the reply! I finished my project last weekend. I hadn't realized the jig comes with stainless screws 1 1/4 and 2". According to their screw chart 1 1/2" should have been used for 1" material thickness. I played with the collar depth and got the 1 1/4" to work and things turned out real nice. Despite clamping the boards just like they did in this video I still had issue with the screw trying to push the mated board out. Running the screw in then out and removing the flashing of material that exits the hole then reinstalling the screw made for the tightest joint. Just had to be careful with the shorter screw not to overdrive and strip it. Using scraps to test with certainly helped!
Need tips & inspiration to help me with my deck finishes.😆😉🙏🏽
Hope this gives you the tips you desire!!
Pro mechanics too
Or that’s why it keeps breaking 🤣
Are you going to expand and do more than decks
More than just decks but we always want to focus on outdoor living spaces!
What do you do when it snows?
Shovel it and get back to work 😅
Show it all during the summer. You built it when the plastic decking is at its most shrunk point, what does it look like after it has expanded for a summer season? Many plastic decks look great when you first put them in, doesn't mean that is what they stay like. We are building one right now and it is beyond a pain in the ass with all the expansion going on, it is getting to work early in the day to fasten boards and cutting out when the temps and sun start to rise, just to get uniformity, come back the next day and nothing is back to where it first was, factor in the deck joist during the summer being shrunk too from low humidity vs winter when they swell, I'd be so interested to see what this deck looks like after a year and how well it held up.
Your joists are also different wood than what we can get around here, the pressure treated stuff where I live is absolute crap, adding to the whole fiasco of it all. These decks are expensive, yet the products we use have a mind of their own.
I had a railing rep talking to me the other day about his product, when I mentioned all the issues I have been seeing and asking how it effects his product, he flat out told me that it totally messes with the cable tensioning, when I asked him about staircases and having a weird rise and run, he said that anything not being 32 degrees does not work with their product. His greatest reply was saying that we should all charge an extra 20%, I was a bit puzzled, but I then got his jest, he was basically saying that it gives you the option to give money back to the client to make them feel better about their deck not being perfect, once you have explained why the materials are doing what they are doing and completely out of your control.
I watched a video a of guy who builds decks call his work a 7 out of 10, but that he does it this way because it stays a 7 out of 10 no matter what the plastic does with its expansion and contraction. He flat out said that if you try to make a 10, it is going to fail and look like shit later.
imagine all the contractors who don't give a shit and are out there building a deck throughout a day when the temps and sun vary throughout their workdays as they are building a deck.
I see so much crap work already from past contractors that I am getting so sick and tired of seeing it all. It is a bit disheartening to see guys doing such shit work and not caring at all. they just want to get in get out as fast as possible, taking the money and running, many clients tell me that they were never able to get them back on the phone once they got the final check.
I stand behind my work, and I feel absolutely screwed with what products are being put out on the market and we are the ones who have to stand behind them, when it is totally out of our control with how a companies product is going to shrink and expand.
Once it looks like shit, it is all a bunch of finger pointing at who is to blame, and the famous line of.. "It is within industry standards". A line that is such BS.
Can you give us a price range on these projects?
Between 100 and 200k ish
6:05 Is that a naked man cleaning his solar panels?
Yup, pretty sure at least lol
Cut to the chase man
Ok! Not sure what you mean
Best grass and weed killer out there…..leaking hydraulic hose
Hahah true that
How ya doing fellas???
We’re doing great my friend!! Heading into the new year with high hopes and even higher vibes, how you doin?!?
Any more clapping, and you'll be able to start a golf channel.....
Вот ещё бы по русски говорили а так , ну инструмент классный, работа халтура
Dingos and Ditch Witches are trash. I love my Boxer and I also have a Bobcat. My Boxer haven't had not one issue with in two in a half seasons.
I’ve never heard of the boxer, I wish I would have gotten a ditch witch though, everyone I’ve talked to that has one loves them, and they can lift a lot more
@@THEpremieroutdoor Definitely better lifting power, but has issues and worst warranty. Ask Tegran from Applwood Landscaping.
@@THEpremieroutdoor what's your email?
Are you sure the coated joist material is compatible with the composite decking ? Some manufacturers recommend it not come in contact with certain types of plastic.
NEVER ride in a bucket on heavy equipment.
It's a good way to have a permanent injury!