KSP2: Massive Self-Sustaining MUN COLONY!
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Given the ever-looming prospect of the Kerbal Space Program 2 colony update, I decided to make a Mun base the "old school way" one last time [not necessarily last time]! Yep, we'll be sending MULTIPLE rockets to space to construct a surface colony on the Mun, an orbiting Munar Gateway Space Station, and of course a crewed flight to make use of all that infrastructure! I had a blast making this one, so I hope you enjoy watching it as much as I enjoyed making it!
My PC specs:
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090
AMD Ryzen 9 5950X 16-Core Processor
64 GB RAM
3840 x 2160, 144Hz
CHAPTERS:
00:00 Phase 1: Build
02:30 Phase 1: Launch to LKO
06:24 Phase 1: LKO to LMO
10:00 Phase 1: Landing on the Mun
13:34 Phase 2: Construction
15:30 Phase 2: Phase 1: Launch to LKO
17:43 Phase 2: LKO to LMO
21:37 Phase 3: Build
22:49 Phase 3: Launch to LKO
25:00 Phase 3: LKO to MO
26:28 Phase 3: Reaching Mun Gateway Station
29:27 Phase 3: Landing on the Mun
31:26 Boarding the Colony!
32:28 The Kraken-Possessed Rover
34:27 The Kraken Attacks the Base
35:06 The Cursed Rover Mission
44:00 Preparing for departure
45:45 Heading Home - Hry
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Alright.
The problem is that ksp 2 hasn't had a bug update in 3 months when last year it was monthly. That and its been pretty much silent besides two "leeks" even dedicated to ksp 2 is tired of waiting for a bug update, we don't even want content just more bug fixes/more performance.. Not the fact that we don't have the next best thing, communication is down more and more, and hopefully next week that will change.. we hope, there is a lot of signs from CM Dakota, and CM Mike that they been working on a plan to start giving the users better communication and there is "news" next week.
You are the reason I started playing ksp again
I'm to poor for that shite
I have been watching so long, you helped me get into ksp which now is my defo fav game. i love ur vids ty matt
"No colonies? I'll do it myself then!"
"i wonder how KSP 2 is doing.."
*sees rover breakdancing on the mun*
*goes back to playing KSP 1*
43:20 that is actually also a "feature" in KSP1, that you might get in, but not out;
For instance, you can connect a service bay to a crew cabin, and enter the crew cabin through the service bay, but it will not let you leave through that same door
I love it when you use the ld KSP music made by Kevin Mcleod. He deserves a medal for his contributions to humanity.
Kerbanity*
@@sixbytes6362 His music has reached far beyond just KSP. It's been used in countless videos for decades and plenty of games like SCP:CB. Therefore, he has indeed contributed to humanity, and not "Kerbanity*."
â@@randomtexanguy9563-- I've even heard his music in adverts on television. He's literally everywhere.
So the bug at 36:25 appears to be the 1km bug where when a rover moves 1KM it suddenly gets a phantom force applied to it. If you survive, you can then go another KM before it happens again.
i can tell the wheels only have collision on the inner edge of the bottom of the wheel. so the rest of the wheel clips into the damn ground, and once that corner touches, the suspention compresses as much as it can because of the weird angle, and the game like, shoves the wheel in that direction to compensate for the suspention being bottomed out
This is the kind of information the programming team needs to come up with themselves to figure out what the actual problem is. Good catch!
I had a mini heart attack when I saw the title thinking Matt got early access to the colonies update đ
haha, colonies update, that'll come out, ever, right?
Having the title for this video be the one i voted on gave me more pleasure than a presidential vote lmao
Same
same
This makes me nostalgic for the days of KSP1 building a Mun base bit by bit with KIS/KAS. I used to be so good at docking and precision landing... now I can barely land within 10km of the Mun arch. đ€Ł
Aint no way Matt forgot about his Jool Surface colony, crazy
Watching the rover tumbling was the most entertaining since the spaghetti episode. It actually had me laughing again. Thanx :)
laught at my suffering
@@MattLownei mean if itâs funny đ
@@MattLowne It's interesting to realize that someone else's suffering can bring so much joy to so many people. Hmmm. I don't know what that says about me. I DO know what that says about the KSP2 marketers. KSP2 is actually the source of suffering. You are a catalyst. Converting suffering into ....... the opposite of suffering. Whatever that is. :)
With the death dance bug, it also happens if a kerbal walks into another kerbal. It might be due to velocity (Or RPM) Because it happened at its worst when the wheels were spinning fast.
Wheel physics: I qote Nate Simpson himself in 2019: "We want the wheel physics to be so good that we could play Track Mania on Duna."
So much for that promise...
Are you sure you turned off the reaction wheels of the capsule? The glitch might come from the fact that the center of the wheels go underground, thus the forces are inverted somehow.
They should add side collision meshes to the wheels.
The rock must be a reference to the one rock that one of the Apollo mission discovered that was so huge they didn't know at first if they were closing on it or not.
Wheels in game engines require relatively precise settings to work fine. What surface they'll be on, the weight of the vehicle, the gravity acting upon it.
Since all of these values change depending on which planet you land on, wheels in KSP can never be "strut on, forget about it" plug&play.
You have to set all the sliders and values yourself.
Changing the spring strength to almost zero for example would've stopped your rover from bouncing off the surface whenever the wheels touched the surface in an angle that allowed the springs to engage and impart force.
We can only hope that the KSP 2 developers will do the wheel testing for us and give wheels a list of presets to choose from, like "Kerbin wheel settings" and "Duna wheel settings", etc.
Loved the rover shenanigans, just like the apollo missions!
Hello Matt! Idk if you saw this but, i just want you to know that ive been watching you since 2014. Back then i was still a kid who love rocketships. Seeing your ksp videos really brighten up my days, especially back when you used to make movie out of it, The Dune Attack. What a masterpiece. This year I finally turn 20 and I finally could afford to bought me the kerbal space program!!! I'm so gassed finally i could hands on the game I love and copy what you did. Its been a really long journey and I'm so happy that you still thriving with it
I still remember that i commented and challenged you to go to mun only in IVA, and you actually make it couple weeks after that đ super sickkk
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I know it looks a little different, but I certainly appreciate you making a functionally close match to the Mass Effect 1 Mako ground vehicle!
Joking aside, many appreciations for the suffering you put yourself through for our entertainment. And, at least this one didn't have you making an impromptu Whiskey review by the end! (Though, I quite enjoy those, too)
Just started my first ever Mun colony in modded KSP 1 (just restock) this morning, so Iâd say this is a sign.
Matt literally took the ocean for the blue paint đđđ
It's a good idea to test run the rovers on Kerbin, trying to flip them, and adjust the wheels accordingly. Like you want your center of gravity close to the center between the wheels to reduce the flip flops when it rolls.
@35:37 "aageogyoopuh" new catchphrase just dropped
This is why im subbed to matt. Good ol ksp content
This one really feels like a classic Matt Lowne video; I love it! :D And the size of it; if it were split into 2 or 3 parts, I'd still watch it, but it is nice to have the occasional longer video to sit down to. (And then I had to pause it anyway! XD )
Sorry to hear about the bugs.
Ooh! There's a KSP1 video coming soon? I mean, KSP2's got looks and novelty going for it, but I'm still playing KSP1. I've played it more in the last week than for quite a while. Oh, it's a controller video! That'll be fun. :) I hope the wiring goes well; I find that sort of thing is often the hardest part. Then again, I do have some pretty big issues with remembering details and keeping them straight.
That is a neat base.
Oh, the ocean disappeared! I thought you were going for a retrograde launch, but that still left me wondering where the desert came from. :)
Close landing; nice!
Sometimes, I think I want to make a space game. Then, I remember I'd have to deal with wheel physics and I just nope! ;) I don't exactly know what the problem is, but I've seen tutorials and developer statements where they say to crank up some force to insane levels, and crank up some opposing force also to insane levels to balance it. When wheels or landing gear behave like this, doesn't it look exactly like there are some insanely strong forces which aren't being balanced after all? There was a lot less of this 20 years ago.
The hatch-blocked code should err on the side of allowing rather than blocking access. That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it. Harrumph!
At least your quickloads are reasonably speedy. I have KSP1 in 8GB of RAM and for some reason it's worse on this laptop despite having the same amount of RAM. It's on an SSD in the laptop where it was on a hard drive before. I don' geddit.
Well, that was fun in the end. Thank you, Matt! :D
(Speaking of delirious, at the end, I rolled my scroll wheel to get a closer look at the landed capsule... and it pretty-much synchronized with the zoom-in on screen! đ )
These rover physics make the Mass effect Mako look like a finely tuned machine. :D
My first Apollo-style Mun landing attempt in KSP2 had the entire lander warping into the Mun every time I tried to timewarp to a point where I could leave with a decent rendezvous. After a lot of frustration I discovered that it only happened if I was controlling the ship on the ground while timewarping.
That was followed by the bug of orbital lines not showing because it thought the ship was still landed, and then docking ports refusing to work because they thought they were already docked. Both requiring edits of the save file to fix. Definitely some painful issues left to be worked out.
For rovers, I nowadays I always make the wheels extend out as far as possible. Granted, I use robotic parts for that, but itâs not necessary. It makes robots much more stable and the chance of it flipping over way smaller.
Not sure if it would solve any buggy problems in KSP2, however.
So this is why he suggested calling it âIâve lost faith in KSP2â
Sick! I canât wait to do this when I finally get KSP 2⊠eventuallyâŠ
What do you know it was a scam all along. Great job enabling them Matt!
I've lost the ocean once too on a return to Kerbin in the career mode about a month ago. It came back after I got my science and next mission, but I landed well below see level (and yes I reported it)đ
Can you do a voyager-course reconstruction?
I just watched your old SSTO video, where you visited every body in the Kerbal-System, but you took 101 years and flew all over the Place and you'd only have to change your initial trajectory for entering the outter most planet and then correct it to Kerbin instead of interstellar space.
I've found that enabling only the driving and steering that is needed seems to work best. Disable steering in the back and disable drive in the front.
The rover thing isnt unitys fault. The ksp team is probably using a pretty bad or basic raycast approach for their wheels, which means that it calculates the distance between the surface and the rover to make counter forces (these are the springs in the rover). If the rover wheels are inside the surface or pretty close, counter forces will push it back.
I love when my 4 ton rover breakdances on the moon.
The only issue I've ever had with rovers and wheels in KSP1 is just that they take forever to get anywhere a useful distance away when driving at a reasonable/realistic speed but physics timewarp with something on the surface is likely to make it explode
25:32 You can increase patched conics in the settings, it's in second from the top in gameplay settings just under max persistent debris
The fundamental bugs with basic functionality concern me the most for the future of KSP2. If it can't do the most simple things like load a craft, or drive a rover then everything else is going to be built on top of quicksand.
The Devs need to get these issues fixed as a priority over anything else.
Matt. It's 1:30AM. I want to watch this whole thing so bad.. but... sleep... hmm... very hard decision.
I kept having those same glitches last time I played when I tried to land at the mun or bust site. Quite infuriating. Massive bugs needed to be fixed
I'm an Indie/Solo game dev. In every game engine I've tried, which is Unreal 5, Godot, and Unity (plus Blender), you can tweak every physics force on each object seperately, it's not just "plug and play." And it's good that it's like that because sometimes you don't want hyper realistic physics in your game. In KSP 1 and 2 I always have to tweak the breaking force and springs on my wheels because if you leave everything on automatic, you get a lot of bouncing (I found that out the hard way on Eve.) It also looks like you heavily bounce when you hit the flat side of the wheels. My guess is you're holding a direction and the forces get wacky because you're not only hitting the ground, you're going forward/backwards. Just my two cents though, always love your content Matt!
matt lowne i respect you for doing ksp2 because it still have a lot of bugs and is pretty limited
Loving this return to a classic Matt Lowne KSP1 custom mission đ
I believe the rover is capped to a 1km radius from where it "spawned". When it hits that barrier it will apply a hard right turn. It's made me not want to build wheeled vehicles at all in KSP2. Hopefully, one day we can have these things ironed out. Like you Matt, it does make me worried for colonies. Maybe that patch will bring the fixes we are looking for? We can only hope.
I loved your KSP1 videos, and I would like to see you go back and do something back in that game.
If youâre looking for mods to showcase, I canât recommend station parts expansion redux more. Itâs made by nertea (so you know its good) and the parts are super high quality and they pair really well with freeIVA, so itâs super good for building surface bases (a lot better than planetary base systems imo)
Had both of the bugs that bugged you a lot also when finishing all the science goals. I hope they watch your videos and fix them.
To fix the wheels from tumbling you all over, just press and hold "b" and you will put the breaks on. The reason it happens is because the wheels are still spinning until you hit the breaks so it applies the force from the wheels as soon as it hits the ground
LTT should help you build a dream cockpit / KSP work space. it would be so totally amazing if you had art from the Int. Space Station as windows etc...
the ksp1 music during the building is very appreciated
Self-conscious rover FTW
Making a picture... it disappears
Otherwise: DANCING!!!
Imagine what Matt will do when the colony update will come out.
He will make amazing colonies on all celestial bodys.
Wait until the interstellar update...
The rover just spazzing on the moon is almost symbolic in a way. Maybe a mech could get around the bad wheel physics if there is a robotics mod out
I also had issue with time warp. Iâll land my ship on the mun and if I used a time warp when my kernel wasnât in the ship the vessel will launch it self up when I ended the time warp. Made trying to land on the mun pointless if it gonna make it self fall over for no reason
The rover is a part of a Kraken praising cult. It is taking part in a Kraken worshipping death dance. I thought the giant skull was the game's physical version of the Kraken.
I really want to see a collaboration between Matt and CZcamsr VAOS. That would be so fun to watch.
VAOS is cool, but his swearing gets on my nerves.
So unfortunate to see how rampant the bugs still are. I'm not as patient for putting up with quality issues, so I still have put hardly any time into KSP2. With the rate at which they're fixing them, I'm doubting I ever will. Makes me sad. KSP is one of my all-time favorites.
the rover does seem to have a piece of the wheel that is going slightly into the ground making it spit it out or "death dance" which is a problem with unity that i deal with when i make stuff in it i just make things thicker and that gets it to behave. At least that looks like what is happing and is probably why the ground ate the rover just spat it out on the wrong side the wheel mesh may also be too complicated. i hope they fix this and assume they will with the colony update
17:01 (nice time stamp) The rocket starting spinning because you sent it into a spin just before cutting the engines off
I love bulding rovers in KSP but the current state of the wheels drives me absolutely up the wall.
Apparently there's a glitch where every kilometer you drive in a rover it spins out. Without fail, exactly every kilometer. I think the only way to avoid it is to quicksave and quickload every kilometer.
I'm from the UK to and know what you mean about the heating, I've got portable air conditioning unit it's about ÂŁ250 from high street stores.... (but make sure you buy an air conditioner rather than air coolers as there useless)
The mental breakdown caused by a KSP 2 megaproject
The most frustrating part about content creators talking about glitches is not the part where they talk about bugs, it's the "I'm worried about the future of ksp 2" quote
Bro, the devs have been hard at work, for science is a MASSIVE upgrade in all fronts (no more wobble, reentry heating, a whole new game mode, new locations, Boyancy is fixed -which is a major achievment btw-, tons of bug squashed) and it was done while hotfixing the game nearly every month for a year.
Have a little faith dammit
âSo you know what Iâm going throughâ, i.e. KSP2 is still painful to play. I havenât touched it in a while, and itâs sad to hear things havenât improved đą
The video is very interesting and building a wider car body can largely avoid this problem, mainly because it is less likely to roll over.
The rover glitch might be something to do with the suspension mixed with the gravity making it glitch out
Not the slidey glitch tho I have no idea what that is đ
you gotta love the care put in every sponsorship
Is this the mockup for the prison on Eeloo?
Nice vid I have an idea for you try to mkae a self sustaining starship type ship
The Kraken was thirsty. Did it do a Kerbin pitstop for water before slapping the gateway station into a spin?
Is it maybe something to do with how the game moves the universe around the craft: like bumping in a rover is like jumping onto a moving treadmill? (I know nothing about programming)
Used to watch your videos a lot man this popped up in my feed today, you sont get as many views as you did but i just want to say keep up the good work
KSP 1 was pure magic, even with it's bugs. KSP 2 has left me so disenchanted I derive absolutely no joy from even going back to KSP 1. I regret purchasing KSP 2.
do you think you could to a video/tutorial on the b9 part switch error for ksp 1?
if theres one thing that i wanna see in ksp 2 that wouldnt be that hard to add is interactable IVA like the ksp 1 mod that lets you float around the cockpit
To me it seems like the wheels are made of 2 parts, the tyre and the rim. Now if you hit the tyre without the rim at a weird angle trying to displace it, its warped back to its intended position applying physics which is the "phantom" force you are seeing. (Note: this is only a guess, i dont have access to the KSP2 source to verify this in any way.)
Equatorial Mun orbit? Pfft, thatâs so last century. Next time we need that Near-Rectilinear halo orbit. Itâs all the rage these days
dont blame the little rover, hes simply learning how to breakdance!
Please Matt, you have contacts in ksp this game, i have a very useful suggestion, what if we have next to the maneuver time left (the rectangle in the bottom center) when we create a maneuver, an actual maneuver star, similar to the left star indicating the direction orders to the ship, but instead, a way to modify the maneuver without the need to have the maneuver location visible in the screen, i think this minimal change would make the struggle in the screen to make a maneuver much less painfull, please Matt, I can't make this happen without help, it's a change useful for all of us (I'm spanish sorry if my english it's not perfect)
I realized that the algorithm hadn't fed me any KSP 2 content in a while and was curious if the game was any more playable. I mean it does seem more playable than before but honestly kind of embarrassing that they haven't fixed so many of these issues yet. I want to buy the game but idk if that's ever going to happen at this point
Please do this challenge day 23
WARNING: A VERY HARD CHALLENGE INCOMING!
Good challenge idea: The Ultimate Goat Test Challenge
The goal of the challenge is to collect as many points as possible. It is done in a fresh science mode save.
The challenge is done in 3 steps:
*1. Before the challenge begins:*
Before the challenge begins, you will need to get the settings for it. You can even choose multiple at a time. They can't be broken but they will reward you by multiplying the score at the end of the challenge. +X% means that X% of the total score will be added to it. All percentages are summed up first before applying
Hardcore mode (if you kill a Kerbal you lose all of your points, no quicksaves are allowed): +100%
Quicksaveless (already applies if Hardcore mode is active but without the additional reward for it, you CAN die, but still, no quicksaves): +30%
One ton at a time (every rocket needs to weigh at most 1000 tons): +50%
Absurd introvertism (you only have one Kerbal, if he dies, another one replaces them): +70%
Forgot the thingy (no docking allowed): +30%
*2. During the challenge*
The points are scored for landing on the celestial body and returning back to Earth. Each celestial body weighs a specific amount of points:
Eve: 280
Moho: 245
Tylo: 235
Laythe: 210
Vall: 200
Bop: 190
Pol: 175
Eeloo: 165
Dres: 155
Ike: 145
Duna: 140
Gilly: 130
Minmus: 120
The Mun: 110
Kerbin (you need to get to space, land, get to space again and land again, all within one launch): 100
The points will only be earned if a kerbal lands on the celestial body and goes back to Kerbin (a robotic spaceship doesn't count!). If the Kerbal dies on the way back after landing on the body, you will lose half of all the potential points it could've scored if the rocket would've gotten back to Kerbin, for example if you land on Vall and then crash on your way back, you will not gain the 200 points from that launch and only lose 100 points (except if you revert that).
You will also lose 35 points each time you upgrade in the tech tree.
*3. After the challenge:*
You may stop the challenge any time as long as no Kerbal is in space. The points are multiplied by the conditions you chose in the beginning. If your points are negative, you have lost the challenge.
If you are good enough you will get a medal (just a trackmania Easter egg)
đ 2986 points (my PB)
đ„ 2700 points
đ„ 2400 points
đ„ 2100 points
17:00 tbh i think most of spin there was from last gimble of vectors before cutoff 36:26 yeah wheels under certan angles is bugged only bottom part is stable and tbh i found that if you drive in strait line on bottom of wheels part driving pretty stable even under time warp but at the moment when wheels turn and go under ground rover goes in death spin, i drove on eeloo and there i was mostly ok and only problem was when my rover suddenly got in air at some point but i tested it with Anth and he said that many mproblems can be related to flags and yeah wheels under angles not stable, and then i almost died irl when i was driving on dres because i drove in mountain range and wheels there was pain and then when i got back to my craft it got turned upside down so i had to try and turn it back up with kerbal. Recently i got back to ksp1 and tbh ksp1 not a perfect game too because ksp1 several times desktop crashed on me with minimal mods and ksp2 almost never desktop crashed my game and ksp1 has very long loading times and in ksp2 i can comfortable restart game hwen it bugged out but tbh i little bit played devil's advocate here
in my experience as a (fairly amateur) unity dev, friction and physics is really weird and sometimes inconsistent, and it's almost certainly something with the engine itself and not just the game. based on my experience with a duna rover in ksp2, and my limited dev experience, id wager the rover issue is a combination of wheel speed and moving into a new map area, which is invisible to the player (like "cells" in the creation engine), but necessary for the game to have entire planets that aren't 100% loaded at all times (which would put the game in the range of "minutes-per-frame" ). best fix is to try and figure out what speed for your vehicle causes the worst spin-outs and just keep it under that.
edit: also the "floatiness" is likely due to the fact that you left the SAS wheel on, even though it still shouldn't lead to that kind of behavior imo. For trying to right the vehicle, I recommend locking the brakes on when trying to flipping it, as the wheels seem to have very little or no internal friction, so they'll continue to spin at whatever speed they were going when they left the ground, which then kicks the vehicle when they make contact again (again, shouldn't happen, but until it's fixed it's the best option)
As someone who has built and driven a multitude of Duna rovers, the whole wheel physics thing is infuriating. I just reverted back to KSP1 at some point, I probably wonât jump back into KSP2 until after colonies is out.
I found those big wheels pretty unusable, I think the suspension is meant for heavier loads. Got better results with smaller wheels, also using 's' to slow the wheel spin down rather than braking helped too.
Do you know the timeline on when colonies is coming? I am psyched but feel like I have so much left to do before colonies arrives!
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I canât wait to see the future of this game
Aww, I was hoping for a complete walkthrough in for science for KSP 2...
Create project orion! You dont have to make it stock parts only
You've still got a chance to start modded series with an interstellar planet pack.
That floor clipping bug happened to me on eeloo, no idea how to fix it but just donât time warp on the surface.
Yeah, surface time warps were a decent way to summon the kraken in KSP1 as well.
I've always wondered, if some kind of space elevetor or something worked in KSP
Space elevators don't work anywhere.
I have an idea for a possible large-scale build
A scale replica of the Talos-1 space station from Prey
It'd have to be scale because a full size one would destroy your frames and pc
More KSP1 content please!
It has been my experience that rovers behave badly with SAS. I don't think that's what's going on here, but yes rovers are very naughty.
I have found all rover wheels act this way it is more noticeable with the larger ones wich kinda kills rovers for me and all the missions that require get x tons to y because it's like if I am going to send a big ass vehicle to duna I might as well give it wheels but no the bigger you go the worst it gets
Now I will never ask a stranger for a drive 39:03 đđlol
is it possible to keep a mun-stationary orbit, where you could always launch payloads straight up, to reach it?