Power Sound Audio PSA S3611 Subwoofer Bass Demo
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- Here is an Audio Demo of the Power Sound Audio S3611 Subwoofer with Dual 18" woofers and a 1920 RMS / 4300 PEAK amplifier and my overall impressions of it. Visit www.powersoundaudio.com.
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This is a beast. Thanks for the video. Always love to watch this great hometeather.
Very cool that you got to be one of the first to test the new model. I had originally ordered these but the depth of them was just a bit too much. Tom is a great guy to deal with and very honest with his recommendations. I look forward to your more in depth review.
Thanks Vinny. So far I'm definitely impressed with it's mere output. It has no problems pressurizing my 13' x 19' x 19' theater. Looking forward to getting it dialed in and seeing how it performs for music and movies. Of course I want to see how it compares to a single SVS PB16 as well since they are both in the same price range.
Whats up YOUTHMAN? Great video man. Every time you bring that screen up I get the chills. It's so awesome. I hope your not going to get hit by that storm. Good luck with everything. I hope you and your family stays safe!
Thanks Bobby. I honestly didn’t know a Storm was coming. I’m usually the last one to know because I never watch the news
I also don't watch the news.
Youthman you should probably download the weather channel app. It gives you weather updates in your area daily
Gabriel Summers Thanks I have it on my phone. They do notify of Severe Weather
Youthman you should contact your local triad dealer or control 4 dealership to get in contact with them anyways great vid keep it up
NASTY! Nice one Youthman and a good demo! Thank you..................... UK
So exciting man! Can’t wait for more!!
Thanks. Definitely more coming
Been waiting for this!
Ok. I just did the Math concerning me purchasing the S3611. It will require me collecting 44980 cans/bottles to get this sub.
We have one like new S3601 in the outlet. Identical performance to the S3611 except the S3601 does not include XL inputs or a 12v trigger. So that would only be 35341 bottle caps.
Haha you guys both cracked me up
Or working at Mc Donald's for 3 years :)
Do whatcha gotta do
@@Youthman eggzackly
Amazing set up. Just brilliant.
Really enjoyed this full view and work through the system - showing all the stems and layout for the front end =)
Thanks Kanga. More videos coming later this week
Looking forward to those Paradigm Premier reviews. Few weeks I get to see them demo at a show here in Toronto. I'll likely do an impression video for my channel. =) Thanks again .. keep this up. It's fun to watch =)
Awesome theatre 🎭 great reviews. Just starting in home theater, learning a lot.
Awesome Clifton! Glad you are finding value in the content
That was awesome man. I bet it sounds amazing.
Thanks it certainly is quite impressive
Hello Youthman,
I really enjoy your channel and all the comparisons even more. I currently getting a new home built with a dedicated theater room and I am thinking of adding a third if not forth sub to my system. Since I already have two sealed subs I will purchase more sealed to keep the sound uniform. I need a sub that plays subsonic notes without any problems. Judging from your auditions which sub would be the better option between the PSA S3611 and the SVS SB 16? I want to increase the subsonic experience without the woofer flutter. Thanks
That's the best setup I've ever seen
I knew you'd like that beast! Maybe end up getting duals!
Haha who knows. The V3611 looks cool too
Maintaining own theatre in the home...amazing taste bro
Thank you kindly
Youthman that sound demo was ridiculous in a good way it had my walls shaking something nasty! I’m sure it was hitting a lot Harder by you those sicck Subs you have there!
Thanks Nicholas. Keep rocking bro
Youthman thx for the reply Sir! Most people on CZcams don’t reply back! Enjoy that new 18” sub 🔈you got there I’m sure it’s the Sh!t! Excuse my French lmao!
Thanks Nicholas. I do my very best to reply to every single comment. At almost 10,000 subscribers it’s getting more and more difficult to keep up with. No matter how large the channel gets, I will always be involved with this community but realize eventually I won’t be able to answer every comment
Again, spectacular looking setup. the screen and behind is awesome! Have you thought about getting more power to that room? I mentioned it in an older video but you really need 2 20 amp or 3 15 amp circuits up there to be able to do what you want to do.
Congrats again for the awesome setup
Thanks Thomas. Currently I’m running the equipment on a single 20amp Circuit.
Awesome as always.. 👍
Thanks John. Have a blessed week sir
its a miracle! finally someone that can record very loud bass.without it sounding like shit.you earned a new sub here for that alone.
Thank man. I had to back my UMIK-1 mic from 60 down to 20. I could probably back it down a little bit more maybe down to 10 as it was barely peaking.
Beautiful setup!
Thank you kindly
We get the demo today too. HAPPY MONDAY TO ME😁😁😁😁👍👍👍👍
Haha glad I was able to make your Monday more enjoyable!
what a smart idea with the hydraulic lifts for your screen
Thanks, that was my builder’s idea
I agree!!!! I'm sold on the screen.
Those are gas springs, hydraulics you'd need to have a hydraulic pump, lines, control valves, and couldn't manually move it. Not trying to be an autismo, just figured I'd mention that in case you went asking for hydraulic lifts and got more than you bargained for lol
Yes these are gas shocks...similar to what you have on the trunk of my SUV
Great video 😀
Keep the amazing work
Thank you Joel
Your more than welcome
awesome video bud!!!
Thank you David. Glad you enjoyed it
Awesome setup
Thank you
Good video, thanks. Would you say the slam and depth was more powerful than your Pair of SVS?
Not sure yet. I haven’t done any A/B comparison. I can say it has a ton of slam though.
Another great video of YM...! That amp has to be top rate just by looking at the "quickness" of the driver movement. Big extension and sharp excursions. The driver hits hard and fast outwardly and pulls back just as sharply.
So, does running dual drivers in a single cabinet like that beastly PSA eliminate the need for dual enclosures each with a single driver as it relates to eliminating dead spots and room modes...?
My understanding is you would still benefit from having a second sub. As I mentioned in the video, I can walk around my room and find nulls.
Tom May be able to provide more insight on that.
I noticed that the subs behind your screen had the middle port plugged, wondering why only the middle one?
This is an older video so I’m not sure which subs were back there but I’m guessing they were the PV 16s from SVS. When you plug one port, it changes the tuning frequency and provides lower extension while still having great output. You can look on their website to see the specs for each port tuning.
That is screen is gorgeous, just got a 55inch oled now if dumb after seeing what you have
Thanks Pay. When I was building my theater room, I went online and found the dimensions for a 55” TV and put masking tape on the wall. I immediately realized that wasn’t going to provide the movie experience I was looking for.
That was awesome.
Thanks Joel. More to come
Great demo man! If only we were neighbors! LOL
There is a home for sale in my neighborhood 😀
Can't wait to hear what you think about these subs when you put them thru their paces. I have 4 Ultra 16s. I was thinking of getting a couple of these dual 18s. I have been a customer of SVS since Tom was there. He is a phenomenal guy and designs impressive subs. The only draw back is the finish. I really hope they incorporate veneers eventually.
They used to have veneers but almost no body bought them
BB, sounds like you have an incredible setup sir. What speakers and equipment are you running? Would love to see and hear your system.
Thx Troyus for the info.
I have a few setups. The one I use most is my gaming room setup where I watch sports and play video games. Paradigm V5 (690cc, 3x 100s Front, sides & surrounds, 2x adp overhead. Which I know isn't ideal but I didn't want ceiling speakers and no room for 10's or 20's from the Paradigm line). Powered by Anthem AV60, Sherbourn PA 7-350 and PA 5-200 for ceiling speakers. Oh and of course 2 PB16s up front and SB16s in the rear. Again, I know this isn't ideal but it works in my room after calibration and placement. My theater is under renovations. I run B&W S in there. I'm in the market to upgrade my hardware (separates, projector and screen) and get some new subs.
They offer veneer on the S1510 and S3010
Wish they offered them on their 18's. I might give them a call and ask them if they would consider making me 2 with black oak veneer.
Youthman
Do you by chance have a build thread on AVS forums i'm interested in the way you did your screen with the gas shocks and locking mechanism. I have a 12' wide 2.35 screen that I would love to set up like yours for easy access to speakers.
I actually do Harry. Shoot me an email at michael@youthmanreviews.com and I’ll send you some links I put together as I get asked this question a lot
Man I love every time you open up your screen. You truly have an amazing setup that is very easily accessible. Great job on that design
And velcro straps are the best haha!
Thank you Life of Bliss.
Very very nice
What made you go with JTR vs the PSA subs? Obviously the JTR's are absolute monsters, but comparable PSA's are usually more cost effective. That said, I have a modest 5.1 setup comprised of mostly PSA (LCR, 2x 15" sub, 1x dual 18 (3601 model)) and even though I love it...I am tempted by JTR. But at my level, not sure the gains (ha, get it?) would be worth the cost...and the PITA of re-hooking everything up.
At the time I reviewed the PSA, I was content with my dual PB16’s. It wasn’t until I reviewed the dual Captivator RS2’s and three JTR home theaters that I got the upgrade bug.
@@Youthman That's fair. There are levels to this stuff ;) eventually you hit serious diminished returns, but from what you had to the JTR system is definitely not that scenario. At this point, I'd like to get 4x the 110 surrounds PSA has to mount on top of the towers and replace my tiny Def Tech SM45 rears. But I don't even have anti-mode for my current setup; which i'm interested in. Regardless, for less than 400sq ft, the V3601, 2 XV15se's, and the full MTM210 front tower system is a lot to deal with. ROI on anti-mode probably better than a full JTR replacement. (yet i'm still tempted). thanks for all you do!
I have the older ported v3600i with the ICE amp and it seems like the drywall is warping when it's turned up...what are your room dimensions and did you do a video on that cabinet/screen build...That thing is awesome!
Hi Sean, my room is 13’ x 19’ with 10’ ceilings. I do have some videos on my channel from the build and also a build thread in the AVS forum - www.avsforum.com/forum/19-dedicated-theater-design-construction/1579546-youthman-s-home-theater-2-0-build.html%3ft=1579546&=1/
If that link doesn’t work Google Klipsch LaScala Trio AVS
Hi what do you Think is best for you on the pb16-ultra all ports open or one port plugged..? And why..?
The two big variables there will be your own listening preferences and the room size. The larger the room the more likely all ports open will sound best. And if you enjoy loud to VERY loud master volume levels---say approaching full"reference" level---again, that would indicate all ports open could be best.
When you plug one port the benefit is deeper extension but the compromise is you're giving up output capability in the mid and upper bass. The pb16u(which uses a 15 inch driver btw) is a potent subwoofer but it's not really known for great mid/upper bass "kick" even with all three ports open. So sacrificing more to chase deeper extension may not sound best in many applications.
@@supportpowersoundaudio6273 Will be interesting to se what youthman think betwin psa and svs..:-)
Direct question worth going for the power sound you think would go much better than SVS?
Hi Humberto, I've done 2 demos and only am on week 1 with it. No definitive thoughts yet. Definitely an impressive sub though.
That sub if probably shaking the walls off in the video, you should get
all your subs and speakers burned in to improve sound and prevent ageing, very cool home theatre setup by the way.
Doesn't the screen flex by the front firing port of the subwoofers?
Yes it moves but is only noticeable when the lights are turned off
PSA subwoofer performance like a bomb...
True
Are the rs62-ii still recommended? I don’t see them on Klipsch website anymore under the surround speakers tab. Are they coming out with new ones?
They have discontinued them and have moved to the Reference Premiere surrounds.
Here are their Gen1 Reference Premiere RP-250S Surrounds - amzn.to/2ISgKW8
And Klipsch just came out with Gen2 Reference Premiere Series
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Thanks!! If it were up to you would you do two rp-502s and Two Rp-500sa? Using the two 500sa elevated on the wall in the rear?
I have 7 ground level speakers and 4 in-ceiling for ATMOS.
How big is your room? Can you go with in-ceiling for your ATMOS channels?
Great video as always. Does sound come through your screen?
Yes it’s a 150” Acoustic Transparent Screen. Check out this video to see the screen raised - czcams.com/video/9EXN5Df_SuM/video.html
BRUUUUUHHHHH that screen is awesome. I have a both a projector that I want to use for "movie night" and a 65'' for daily viewing/background noise. Your flip up/down screen gave me a good idea to how I can enjoy both. Hopefully I have room for the voice of god 13th channel :D jk.
Great Videos. Thanks for the sound demos.
Thank you Surin. Glad to help inspire you
The best takeaway was seeing your layout and how you approach the testing. Wish that finish was on my PB-16's. I went piano black gloss, it is a PAIN to keep scratch free and clean. This sub looks like you could toss in the back of a truck.
Yeah I wasn’t expecting the ruggedness if it. Definitely not delicate.
I have the black oak finish on the pb16. I Really like the finish.
I love the Piano Black but it gets dusty easily
What are you running for size prakers is the room running off
20 amp Circuit
perphas u may try procella audio v21 (twin 21 inch subwoofers in a box)
That’s a nice sub man look like it thumps pretty good I wonder how it’s going to compare to the svs subs👍
Will see. I will be comparing a single SVS PB16 to a single S3611 since they are in a similar price range with the PB16 being $400 more
Would you consider switching your SVS's for this?
I kept my PB16’s that I bought. For now, the PB16 meets all of my needs. Down the road I might do 18’s (PSA V3611 or IB Subs)
Is dual still needed for that sub since its already dual on one box? 🤷♂️
For output, no. If you have multiple seats, adding multiple subs will help smooth out the bass response throughout your room.
I have the monolith monoprice 12 ultra. I was already to buy a second monolith. But after watching this, I want the s3611. What is your opinion of running one over dual subs. I only care about my listening position" The Sweet Spot" ;-) I really enjoy that 1% of movies that you feel and dont hear.
1 sweet spot requires only 1 sub. I haven’t tested the Monolith 15 but it wouldn’t stand a chance against an S3611. It’s a monster
Would u say the bass is hard hitting? (Thumping)
Like the klipsch RSW-15
By the way, what happened to RT-12 & RSW-15
I have the RSW-12 klipsch and it is still the best subwoofer I ever had. I wish they still make them.
Would u agree they are the best?
Any recommendations on a subwoofer?
Hi Justin. It’s obvious by my many videos that I love Klipsch products. The RSW15’s were aging and although they provided a lot of output and tactile bass, I always wanted them to go deeper.
I can assure you that the Dual PB16 Ultras that I purchased and the S3611 that I’m currently reviewing leave the RSW15’s way behind. It’s absolutely ridiculous the amount of bass I’m getting.
What is your budget?
Lots of great options out there including HSU, Rhythmic, JTR, SVS and PSA. Some are way more pricey than others.
Forgot to answer you, I sold the RT12D and my 4 Klipsch RSW15’s
sounds awesome...how does it compare against the JTRs?
I’m not sure exactly as I reviewed this about a year ago. It’s a beast of a sub with gobs if clean power and digs deep as well.
How did I miss these videos on PSA? Oh well I am catching up now.
Haha there are several for your enjoyment
Wow! 😱 Youthman,Great sound. What is the subwoofer frequency cut?😎👍
I mentioned it in the video. 7Hz in room response.
Fun video to watch. It would be great if you could demo some JL Audio subs and compare to the SVS
Thanks for the suggestion Wes. I heard the Fathom many years ago and honestly wasn’t impressed, especially for the price. I may have to check them out again. Any particular model I should consider?
The E-sub E112 would be a good comparison I think. Same power
Just looking at specs, the PB16 would likely spank the E112. Lower extension, more output and 15” vs 12”, ported vs sealed. The SB13 vs the E112 would be more comparable
All good points
Youthman what's up with PSA Subwoofer? I would like you to test the PSA SUB V1811
Hi, yesterday I just figured out how to use REW to run some simple sweeps so I should have a video comparing it to the SVS PB16 sometime this week. 😀
Hey what’s up youthman? Hey bud I had a question maybe you can point me in the right direction I’m shopping for a 4K blu-Ray player......would you be able to recommend me some??
Hi Alfonso. What is your budget?
Youthman well I’m not too sure but I’m thinking max is like maybe 300$-400$ but I do want a quality one that shows awesome picture........but idk if I need to spend more I will but I would like a good one you know?
Went from first gen Samsung 4k to sony ubp x800. Much Better picture quality and great build quality
Jaylen Tutt sweet! Thanks man!
I don't have a lot of experience with UHD Players myself as I just recently began moving towards 4k in my theater room. The UBP-X800 is currently on sale for $240.00 - amzn.to/2IPo98J
Another one that has received good reviews and is very budget friendly is the LG-870 currently for $155 - amzn.to/2RAzgWT
Take a look at those and see if they would meet your needs.
Why did you damp 1 port per Svs sub? Do you hear a difference?
That allows the subwoofer to extend deeper but you'll trade off some maximum output capabilities doing so.
Tom is correct. Allows the sub to dig a bit deeper. I still haven’t decided which I prefer.
i have the pb-4000, and ive tried it both ways....your better off 90% of the time running all open...wayy more impact from 17hz znd up
Have you gone to a movie theater to watch a movie than watch the same movie but on your home theater. It would be cool to know how they compare to each other.
I actually prefer mine for many reasons.
What did you think in comparison to the on's
The on’s?
Most guys don't need dual 18's, but once I saw the S7201 on pre-order last year I knew I was a guy that needed 4. Try that one next, it's something special.
Dick, that's awesome! Four S7201? I can't even imagine bro. How large is your room? You likely have so much headroom and smooth bass response throughout each seating position and your neighbor's seating positions. LOL
Lol no just one, I really can't imagine what 4 would do either. I'm pretty sure now I could break my old picture window, I've never really pushed things too hard because I can see it moving in and out. With this, it's a good thing I live out of town.
Oh gotcha I misread your comment
Do you normally set the sub at the receiver at -10Db
I typically run Audyssey which will calibrate the trim level on the sub, verify levels with my SPL meter and make any necessary adjustments. The -10dB I referenced is the Master Volume on the Receiver, not the sub level. -10dB is 10dB below “Reference Level”.
The trim level is the sub level in your receiver. My recommendation is to run YPAO and it will set your trim levels in your receiver.
Then if you need a bit more, bump up the trim maybe 3-5dB
Interesting. I used to own a Yamaha but it's been several years. Maybe someone else in this community who is familiar with the Yamaha can offer some advice.
Having a speaker facing front and other facing to the wall lets say... Wont affect the sound? .... Other comment, the front should be were the amp is...
Depending on your room setup, you can have the subs parallel or perpendicular to your wall. There isn’t a right or a wrong way.
really wish it could have been the vented version for a fair comparison. but love the videos and keep them coming!
Thanks, several months ago I provided a poll asking everyone which sub they wanted me to review and the S3611 received twice as many votes as the V3611 so that's what I requested.
Just curious why would comparing the two be considered not fair?
apples to oranges. just like the SB16 vs PB16ultra. there is a huge difference in output, but application for what they do. SB-16 vs s3611 and PB-16ultra vs V3611. thats where i think these would fall more competitive at. but your the one in the seat and can tell us what you think. and thats why im watching and learning ;)
If I compared the SB16 to the S3611, there would be no comparison. It’s like racing a Honda against a Ferrari. The S3611 would literally destroy the SB16.
svs is getting beat up a little in the comments but everyone needs to remember svs isn't ID anymore. Sure they will sell you something from their website. But you can go to klipsch's website and buy stuff too..:) There's no way a dealer model(like svs) is going to compete with an ID model(hsu,psa,rythmik, etc). At least not in a pure performance/dollar ratio.
Look at the $2499 pb16u specifically. If bestbuy is selling you the pb16u for $2499 what do you think they get them for? $1300-1400? If svs is fine selling the pb16u for $1300-1400, what does it cost to mass produce them in china? $650-700?
The S3611 amplifiers cost us close to that..:) Not the s3611 subwoofer. JUST the amplifier.
If the s3611 was in bestbuy it would likely be $3599-3899.
And the above applies to dealer models in general. JL, Paradigm, whoever. They are trying to figure out how to build a subwoofer in china that will end up here in the states 3-4x(msrp) $650 cost in china? $2000-2500 at your local store. And companies like paradigm, polk, JL, svs, aren't worried about a microscopic fish in their pond like psa..:)
Youthman great videos, my request is to go for the PSA s7201
Please review this one and keep those videos coming ..
That would certainly be fun but just curious if you would actually buy one yourself? The reason I ask that is the reality is there is an extremely small market of people who will ever buy one due to it’s size and price. Not to mention it’s very expensive for PSA to pay for shipping both ways.
Youthman your right about that - as far as shipping is concerned - but from the exposure they would get with a review and your following base, as businesses savvy folks it would be a small price to pay for them to handle in my humble opinion.
And yes I would buy it - my basement is pretty large - I have two Klipsch- rsw115’s
On pb16 ultra
And - two Boston acoustic subs sealed and two bics 12”
A bit crazy I know and not all uniform but it really fills my area - and even without buttkickers you can really feel the chairs vibrate - -
That monster would be a great addition and experience - would set me up - I’ve only seen one video on this monster but not enough to really appreciate it -
Sounds like you have an amazing setup. I’m guessing it would cost them $600 in shipping. Tom originally shared with me that he would be willing to send any of his subs except the S7201 due to the shipping cost and limited amount of potential customers. Even in my room it’s not very practical due to its enormous size and weight.
Youthman got ya - wishful thinking I guess lol.
Love your set up brother -
I was looking into buying that sub and wanted more than what’s provided - from the manufacturer in terms of being used - I will have to think about this purchase- haha after I Got the pb16 my wife was “ are u serious “ lol
But it all faded away when the much fuller sound was experienced -
I will be working on other items before I step into that venture and maybe there will be a coupon day lol - but it’s gonna happen -
Too funny
that subwoofer is insane I bet musicals would sound awesome.Would love to hear grease and the movie sgt peppers by the bee gees in your theater if you haven't seen that movie check it out I know it a little bit cheeze but got a great soundtrack to it.I think you and raffcave got the best theaters
Thank you Richard. Have you seen The Greatest Showman? Fantastic musical
no i haven't but will check it out !!!!!!
Oh man. I loved it! Thought it was going to be cheesy with Hugh Jackman singing but the story was great and the music score was fantastic
I will check it out this weeken let me know what you think of sgt peppers if you watch it will take you for a ride I know it was a flop at the box office but had a good soundtrack First time I heard this movie in a theater was unbeliable they had a killer sound system!!
Cool
Would love to see some inroom sweep from a calibrated mic!
I purchased the UMIK-1 Mic but have not had an opportunity to spend some time with REW yet. Will see what I can do. Thx for the suggestion.
Oh God... how much I envy you!!!
Youthman, could you please review power sound audio speakers ?
I might be able to a bit down the road. I have a ton of gear to review but would like to hear them
So basically you can put this in the cent center and back center for a quad sub set up. Damn my dedicated theater is on the 2nd floor of my house, have to carry these or an SVS step by step lol
Get a friend to help and save yourself a chiropractor visit
Name of the NCS song you used? I like it.
If I included it, it will be in the description of the video
Dammit! I want one! I already have a PB16, but can I use both? Is that realistic?
I would ask Tom as he would know better than I would. Chat with him on their website. Super nice guy and very knowledgeable.
As for being realistic, we aren’t in this hobby to be realistic now are we? 😂
When adding a second sub it is best to keep vented with vented. Vented + Sealed CAN work but it really is a major pain to get them integrated. And in many/most scenarios it won't work (well) no matter what we do.
Also, the pb16u has sort of a unique performance signature. It would probably be simplest to add a second pb16u.
The more I watch Tom’s interaction with you guys, the more respect I gain for him. How many company owners would recommend a competitors product because they are thinking about the customer first, and not their bottom line. That’s character and integrity at its finest.
With that said, I’m sure if you wanted to sell your PB16 and buy a pair of his subs, he would be more than willing to help you out 😀
Is that ported or does it have a passive radiator? Edit: nevermind it's sealed sry lol...
Neither. The S3611 is a sealed design
@@Youthman i wonder what kind of a difference there would be, if it was ported / had a passive radiator...
I'm a ported guy myself because I prefer movies to music mostly. That said, I've heard the dual opposing subs are much better at music accuracy. Check out Jazz with upright bass players, I've notice with my ported subs some of the bass notes boom unnaturally relative to other notes.
I'm with you Andy. I'm probably 90% Movies and 10% Music. Looking forward to getting it dialed in and seeing how it performs in various situations.
Which subwoofer is it? A well designed ported subwoofer can sound very good for music once you have the system optimized. If you have time and what to chat about possibly optimizing what you have please don't hesitate to pop into chat. www.powersoundaudiocom
I can attest that Tom is SUPER Active via chat on his website and has been very helpful in answering any questions that I have had.
I went dual sealed subs as films contain MUSIC. In my room sealed was better than ported.
Nothing wrong with that. Some prefer sealed while others prefer ported. I’m glad we have options.
But foam surrounds....really i was looking to maybe get some psa subs until i read that, foam badly deteriorates over time doesnt it?
Foam is actually superior to rubber based surrounds in many ways. And modern (treated) foam will last 15-20 years...minimum. Also, it is worth noting...in a few years your "rubber" surround may look brand new....but what about it's compliance characteristics? Rubber hardens over time. 5-10 years from now I would bet 100:1 that a quality foam composite will maintain it's design specs much more than the typical rubber surround..:)
Also, there is often a misconception about cost too. Some believe "rubber = no expense spared". But that's not the case at all. If you speak to any quality build house the surround is going to be a tiny, tiny fraction of the costing involved in any quality subwoofer driver. It might be the difference between $199 and $199.30 cents.
No one is going to worry about saving 30 cents if they believe it will get them a better component..:)
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Wow guys i would
Never have thgt for one second what you have said there, please do not think i was being negative to to your product but more looking for a positive comment for advice as i am looking to improve on my ht experience at a good price. So many sub products look good on paper but fail to deliver in room and the only sub i have had good exp with was a m&k sub but it could not do the real low stuff you can feel n not hear,!my paradigm studio sub 12 can go low n loud but you still know where the sub is.....
Great info Tom. Thanks for taking the time to share your knowledge with this community.
Steven, it didn’t come across to me that you em were criticizing the product, but even if you were, I’m pretty sure every manufacture is used to dealing with criticism as there will never be 100% buy in no matter how incredible the product is. Appreciate you asking questions as other may have the same question. Have a blessed day
And i also want to say many many thanks for input from both youthman and tom here, not many would interact with public on these kinds of forums, i really do appreciate the advice...
I was w8 for this. Svs pb 16 vs psa 🤔😎 and go 🙂
LOL. You know it's coming. I want to see for myself how they measure up.
Put a square of tape on the dust cap if you want to see excursion.
May i ask, how much did that whole fancy home cinema room cost ya?
Surprisingly, I don't have any out of pocket due to buying / selling audio gear over the past 10 years, bartering my web design services for my Panasonic projector and lighting installation, my friend built the front cabinet at cost, most of my speakers were purchased used at ridiculous deals and even my seats were purchased used and doing all of the work myself with the help of friends. Just goes to show you anyone can have a home theater, you just have to get creative.
Svs pb 16 ultra better or not?
Not sure yet. I've only heard the S3611 for about 10 minutes. Will definitely be comparing them side by side in future videos to compare the strengths of each, pros and cons etc. Should be a lot of fun so stay tuned!
It would be cool 😀
Thanks
Excuse my ignorance. Youthman? Do you design home theaters? Your screen and setup is the most impressive i've seen. I do like a little more space between the fronts and center for sound imagery, but we work with the space we have and you did just that. I see the dual SVS setup. Looks great.
Hi Kyron, no my friends designed and built my front cabinet. He did an amazing job. The main two things I wanted was easy access to the speakers and easy access to the rear of the equipment. He nailed it!
Oh I love it!!!! I'm subscribing!! Do I hear a paster, minister or public speaker in your voice? :) Love the content. Thanks again.
You would be correct. I’ve been a Student Pastor (thus Youthman) for the past 20 years. I didn’t realize I have a “Pastor’s voice”. A few people have said the same thing. 😀
YES!! Happy to see a man of God doing his thing and being great at it!! Love the channel and HT. :)
Thanks Kyron. Glad you are enjoying the content
As yo7 said at the end, it’s one subwoofer, not 2. It has 2 drivers but being so close together the 2drivers act as 1 subwoofer. You need 2 to hel0 even out in room response.
For interest sakes, the dual opposes build means that the subs both move in equal and opposite reactions while playing. This cancels out vibrations on the sub box itself. You did the demo of the camera or mike moving, try putting a glass of water on top of the sub. The water should be dead still.
That is correct. This is a single sub with two drivers. Great suggestion on the water glass. Will definitely have to Incorporate that into a video. Even if the sub is solid, wouldn’t the air pressure in the room cause the water to move? I know the hairs on my arm were moving even from 8’ away
I just built 2 15inch x2 dual opposed subs for my lounge and they are dead still with the water on. Oh, hears a vid czcams.com/video/ttk4y6_afa8/video.html . Yea try it in your video if you like. This design transmits no vibrations through the floor from a vibrating box. Just pure sound/pressure.
Thanks! Actually filmed this tonight.
Youthman oh my gosh, my spelling in these replies :( can’t edit on my iPad
No worries bro
where can u buy the power sound subs..?....this thing is a beast...
Link is in the description. www.powersoundaudio.com
If you buy one, Tell Tom Youthman sent you. I don’t get a commission and he might charge you more for being associated with me LOL
thank you
**if I may so humbly ask...what is it that you do for a living?
“This guy” has been a Youth Pastor (thus Youthman) for 20 years and I have a home business in Website Development.
I also review home theater equipment.
@@Youthman no harm meant kind sir
I take no offense to it. I get asked that question a lot. Some people think I’m rich because I have a theater room. Nope...far from it 😀
Youthman lol understood
Sub woofer you can hear, is that even possible unless it's not a SUB? did you mean EXPERIENCE if not FEEL?
Sure you can hear a subwoofer. The human ear can hear down to about 20Hz and most subs play frequencies between 20Hz and 80Hz
Agreed @@Youthman, But good systems should rely on BOTH WOOFERS and SUBWOOFERS, and yes the consensus is a subwoofer can be setup to be heard if a system doesn't have dedicated Woofers, But if one has properly setup woofers then the Subwoofer can be setup and shine, having it more of a shaker than a sound maker ;)
Having said that, yes my system relies on both Tuned Woofers and a Subwoofer that has been fully reworked "tuned" so that it isn't barely heard cant remember the exact figures but we were shooting for -3db points 15Hz~35 Hz so its more likely to shake the house rathe than be heard..
I would highly recommend you get a dedicated sound generator that can sweep the entire Audio range "they're pretty cheap these days" to demonstrate more accurately individual driver performance..
I can appreciate you wanting to have both woofers and subwoofers. My preference is to have 2-4 subwoofers that handle 80Hz and below. I’m actually amazingly pleased with my sub-par System. 👍
Sorry - but I'm an old man. I have Cerwin Vega' D-9's and the 15" drivers have excursion like that! I don't see how showing excursion makes a better sounding speaker?
Excursion doesn’t equate to fidelity. But when you have fidelity matched with high excursion...now that’s something special
Very nice video! I was looking forward to you reviewing that beast! You must audition the MTM-210 and see how it compares the the RF-7 IIIs. I've heard that they are phenomenal!
Thank you Loren
hello... fren… what name music title... just to try my subwoofer.... :-)
It should be in the description of this video. Thanks!
Get a copy of the movie War of the Worlds, starring Tom Cruise, on Blu-ray. Play the tripod emergence scene. You'll experience the deepest and most powerful bass ever on Blu-ray. Everytime I playback that particular scene, I notice new cracks in my walls and ceiling. My whole room shakes violently and never fails to send shivers up my spine. It's a must have disc, for demoing new subs.
www.blu-ray.com/movies/War-of-the-Worlds-Blu-ray/7831/
Dude have you seen the 4k Release
Please make long demo bass effects movie and music
I haven’t had that sub in months. Was shipped back to PSA after the review.
Guessing the 118Db was at about 60%-70% of what the sub could do when pushed hard but that isn't why you are testing it
Yeah I don’t think it was near max but honestly even at 118dB that’s ridiculously loud. The only time I listen that loud is for brief demos.
If my thoughts are right, the sub is getting internally out of phase, maybe not to audible or a thing to be worry about . But the way the cone moves seems to behave like such. This is why I want to move to a servo controlled sub setup. But hey man big move or air is great in the room is always the thing!
Hi Jesus, if you are referring to the warbling (bending) of the woofer, that’s not the woofer, that’s an illusion caused by the frame rate of my camera.
Interesting, I’ve seen other reviews of subs and is the first time I see that effect, but good to know. Although it is very similar to a phase issue without servo
Take a look at this video at 1:33 you will see the sub begin to look like it's warping - czcams.com/video/GNTAr9X-8P4/video.html
@@Youthman yep I see it all the time in bass vids...
First time I saw it I was like "WHOAH!". Then I discovered it had to do with frame rate settings in the camera.
Best part of any video you make must be, if your into home theater, audio or video HIIIIIIIIT THAT SUBSCRIBE BUTTON
LOL. Just trying to have a bit of fun. I don’t want my videos to be stuffy or too formal. Keep it real and keep it fun
Not to take away from this video but I seriously want to know the product and construction details behind getting a hydraulic lift screen. I saw your video from a while back but it wasn't educational on the subject, nor do I believe is was meant to be. I'm building a new house and the basement is going to be a blank canvas for me to build a theater in. A lift-able screen on my 158" 2.35:1 would be amazing and space saving. Keep up the good work!
Thank you for the video suggestion. I have it on the list. 👍
You cannot put the gain control on half volume, because it controls gain, not volume ;)
Correct. Sometimes I say gain and volume but realize they are two different things. Thx for catching that.
FYI, the "peak" numbers for amplifiers mean nothing, the RMS value is what is important. The amplified single gets distorted very quickly after the rated RMS value, it is never worth going beyond RMS. Take the SVS PB160 Ultra for example, rated for 1500W. By going from its rated 1500W RMS to 3000W, the output only increases by 3db, which is insignificant, but to do that the signal was tremendously distorted. To sum up, the "peak" value is just a marketing technique, the RMS is what matters when it comes to the power of the amp. The "5000W peak" for the SVS PB16 ultra bugs the crap out of me. The extra 3db of horribly distorted sound is never worth blowing your amp or sub. Sorry, rant over.
Oh of course. But there is one super important value of the PEAK rating that you might not have thought of. It makes for a great CZcams Thumbnail! 😂😂😂.
It can vary from design to design. Strictly speaking all "RMS" tells us is the output lasted long enough to complete a sinewave. When you measure that the peak of the sinewave is 3dB(voltage) or 1.4x.
An accurate specification of peak wattage with subwoofers can be an important indicator of system performance. If you had two identical subwoofers like the S3611 and throttled back one amp so it could never pass more than 1960 watts, even for say 500 milliseconds....I guarantee you the unthrottled sub would be preferred 100% of the time with loud, dynamic, source material.
That is very interesting! Thank you very much! My main pet peeve is a lot of manufacturers state the peak value as if it was the actual power you're drawing all the time to fool customers. There's so much more data that is needed to determine the quality of an amp. My BS is in mech engineering so the amps are not my expertize. PSA speakers and subs look incredible though! The engineering that has gone into the S7201 is remarkable! I wish I was apart of that design team. I cannot find another subwoofer anywhere that can compare to it! I will DEFINITELY be ordering one next year so keep up the good work!
Loren let me know when you get one. Would love to hear what you think of it.
Will do! And I was also going to try and see if I can get my hands on 3 KPT-396. I have read that they are spectacular! This will probably be late next year.
Puts on Drum n bass record. Seismic center records 7.1 on richter scale.
Haha cmon...it was only a 6.9
All that air behind the screen would just cause a bunch of ripples wouldn't it?
The screen does move with the Dual PB16 but the only time you can see it is when lights are turned on. I had 5 other guys over that verified the same thing. Cannot see it move when lights are off
Mood killer by doing the unhook. Jeezs.
I am not understanding your comment
@@Youthman Titles says read "...demo." Where is the sound demo. Great build up from the introduction but the unhooking of the other equipment. Opps, forgot about ability to fast forwarding video.
Audio Demo is at 10:10