What is The Biggest Threat To Public Land Hunting?
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- čas přidán 11. 07. 2024
- Randy, Jace, Michael, and Marcus discuss what they think are the biggest threats to hunting on public lands. Follow along as the guys discuss a variety of topics, including habitat loss, access, hunter numbers, and how information is spread.
This video delves into the critical issues facing public land hunting today. From encroaching development to legislative battles, the threats are real and looming larger than ever before. Join us as we uncover the challenges that jeopardize hunting and the very lands we cherish and depend on for our outdoor adventures.
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I grew up in Utah. I could get a deer tag every year. Now it may take 3 years to draw a tag. It took me 18 years to draw my Elk tag, and 18 years to draw a bison tag. Yes, I was lucky with the bison tag. I can't afford out of state tags. Little by little, my personal opportunity is getting less and less. I eventually see a time that I will only draw a deer tag every 6-8 years. I want to be an advocate for wildlife; but not if the only people that get to hunt are the wealthy. I see millions spent, but my opportunity seems to have decreased.
Thanks for the “big picture thinking”. A big problem we have is too many hunters fighting other hunters over inconsequential issues. We need to stop bickering and fight together against the real enemies of wildlife and hunting.
What's the real enemy? The human excessive consumption of everything? Energy extraction? Human overpopulation?
I will harp for a minute about my pet peeve. Not too long ago, the lazy hunters hunted within 200 yards of roads and hard working real hunters only had to walk a couple miles to find game. Now the hordes of lazy hunters drive their side-by-sides 5 miles in, sometimes on logging roads and sometimes through the woods, then turn around and drive 5 miles out, complaining there aren’t any animals anymore. And the rest of us have to walk in 10 miles just to find something to hunt. And the country that used to be full of game is sterile and useless because they’ve been run out of it by the noise from all the ATV “hunters”. We need motorized travel restrictions on our public lands, especially during hunting and calving seasons.
I agree, I despise ATVs and side by sides. The noise alone is pollution.
They need to actually open the gates and allow folks to use the public land. Watching locals illegally drive around the gates and nobody seems to care when you tell them about it. They just say, yeah we know, but don’t do that. What a crock.
@@n2trkys18 I admit my comment was only my own bias. I personally wish ATVs had never been invented. I think they ruin the woods with their noise and they tear up the woods and spook and stress animals. I know many enjoy them and they’re here to stay. I just don’t personally understand why anyone would use them in the woods. And I really believe they ruin the hunting experience for everyone else. That said I know public land belongs to all of us and as long as our land managers believe they aren’t detrimental I have to abide by their judgment. I’ll never stop hating them though.😒
@@ricksmith2134 I think they are great for woods use. I use them all the time on my own property with great success. However, the joy riding all the time and driving the entire road with them while others are trying to hunt is aggravating. Multi use is great, until someone’s use effects everyone else’s.
The problem with using percentages to show a decline is that the population has grown significantly since 1960(approx 180 million) to 234 million in 2023. So if 7% of people hunted in 1960 that equals 12.6 million hunters roughly vs 13.36 million in 2023 @ 4% of the population. Add that to the fact that people are traveling far more on average in 2023 vs 1960 and it's pretty easy to show that the whole "Hunter Decline" thing doesn't really hold water. Additionally, I think it would be pretty easy to show that the hunting industry has grown massively in the last 60 years...which could also be contributing to the drive for recruitment.
It is a conundrum that we face as people that value ecological integrity, conservation, wildlife biodiversity, and intact habitat more than anything else. I count myself in that camp. It’s a difficult choice; should we have more people on the landscape or have more undisturbed habitat? All we can do is constant and never ending education of the public. The wildlife will inevitably adapt to more outdoor people recreating in their habitat, as long as the people respect their space, do not harass them, or degrade their habitats. Thank you for all your advocacy and commitment to educating the public about these very important issues.
A lot of my fellow hunters are so frustrated with point creep. That is what has pushed them to put in multiple states to get a tag so they can hunt.
Yea because if you can't hunt what's the point
Data Analyst (healthcare) here. Thank yall for using real data and only talking about what you presented because a lot of people "think" they know what's going on but then the data disproves it (story of my professional life). I'm pretty bummed to see Texas didn't even make it on the top list of hunters by population. But its a sea of private. Pro tip - PowerPoint is a great tool, but Tableau/Power Bi makes a much better visualization. Color choices are also a big deal. Soft colors take a softer role visually in the human brain while bold colors do the opposite. Always try and use soft colors. (I have a masters in data analytics and visualizations was my specialty). Shoot me a DM if yall ever need some visualization pointers. Again, thanks for all yall do in the world of conservation.
It is a very interesting topic. I feel like it is complex. I personally think it is a big issue because it stems into social media, outside groups, the take down of the nuclear family, community, hunter retention, access and so much more. Great topic. Thank you guys for posting this video.
"Take down of the nuclear family?" What does that mean? Not sure how your interpretation of the "nuclear family" affects my access to hunting but we live in the US and we all get an opinion.
@@joshcc1974 Well, if you don't have your children to take over hunting, who will continue it? In a few generations hunting could be very minimal or gone if not fostered in the family. I feel like people in the mid-west and east have that one covered but most kids are more interested in video games and other things, not all but some. Without the structure and tradition of hunting in the family I would find difficult for someone just out of the blue to get into hunting. It is not impossible but it is complex to say the least. Access is a separate topic. A lot to chat about.
Good stuff guys. This topic is right on point and needs to be shared to everyone. The anti-hunting folks are out numbering us at an alarming rate. You can pick any state and it's the same situation. Thanks for sharing and I hope everyone that hears it uses their "Information Tree" and shares it!
Great discussion!!!
Hello from Eastern Europe (Bosnia and Herzegowina actually) we have something else in my land, if we want to go hunting, we must be members of some hunting club (every town has own hunting club), and if you are a member, you must pay every year about 100 dollars just for your membership, it doesn't matter if you want go hunting or not, you must allways pay, every year. If you don't want to pay to your club than you can't go hunting, and if you can't hunting, you don't need a hunting rifle or shotgun, so police in your town will take it from you. Even if you want to go to shooting range and you are not a hunter, you just want to shoot at targets sometimes, you must be member of that shooting range club if you want to buy some kind of gun, if you are not in the club than you aren't interested about that and you can't buy gun. With hunting is the same, first find some club near your house, ask them for membership and you can buy a gun for that purpose... Of course you must make a test about hunting which includes about 50 questions, and when you answer all that, you will get a hunting license, but that is not a gun license, gun license is something else and that requires a lot of paper work and a lot of waiting, but for real hunters that is nothing. I must say you all, I live in Germany right now and here is the situation even worse and things are even more complicated, but it is okay. I am proud to be hunter in my land... Nice video 👍
Proud to have a 2a in USA
God gives us our rights not the big brother. I feel for you. It sounds like your country needs a revolution like most do. God bless you. Usa 2A all day.
Thanks for sharing. Interesting to learn the differences in other countries.
Thanx
Good job
Biggest threat to public land hunting is social media. Naming states and areas
BS
What are your thoughts on increasing the revenue to the Pittman Robinson Act? I have thought about getting a petition going to add recreational gear, backpacks, fishing gear, bikes, camping gear, hiking gear, cross country skiing gear, snowmobiles, four wheelers, utvs, ect ect. If you recreate in or on the public lands, the gear you use could be added to this act even if the overall tax was deducted from 11 percent to 4 or 6 percent I think we would still give more revenue back to the places we all love and enjoy. If shooting sports stayed at 11 percent even and all the extra add ons were only two percent I believe that would be beneficial. The Pittman Robinson act cannot be abolished. And I love the 2percent for conservation programs that some of the bigger companies are on board with now as well. Just a food for thought. Love the platform and enjoy and have enjoyed you throughout the years. Keep up the fantastic work.
A more relevant discussion is threats to quality public land hunting, which only declines each year. Bringing more people into a declining resource will result in shared, equal misery. The vast majority of hunters are not members or donate to nonprofits and support media that models selfishness
I hunt in oregon and i got a high private hunt. My hunting partner and i tryed every house we could knock on to hunt. We were after whitetail we were turned down because all the land was already leased to different hunting guides.
Sounds about right. These guys are lost. People can’t afford to hunt these days . We’re losing almost all private access via a handshake. Which means overrun public land which means people quitting the game.
I ran a large private land hunting outfit for years. My neighbors would ask me to lease their land so they could tell anyone who asked that their property was leased so no hunting. Two even asked if they could tell people they leased to us even though they didn't so they could give a blanket statement to those asking. Why? Because of the disrespect and abuse of their land by the public. In many if not most cases we hunters are our worst enemy. In many cases leasing opens otherwise closed ground.
@@josephpeterson7109 I’d rather see private land remain un hunted and posted than have it leased out. Especially by an outfitter. I vehemently stand against profiting off of a public resource. We the people own the animals not ranchers or land owners or outfitters. Yea yea “oh we protect the species we are their care givers.” blah blah. Like it isn’t millions of acres of public land in the west. Crowded because of all the money involved in hunting these days but it is there. not to even mention the insane price gouging going on with outfitters. Liability, lease price blah blah blah we pay this and that it’s always the same story. 15-30k to potentially shoot a stupid elk or mule deer then to actually have the audacity to ask for gratuity .What a absurd joke. It’s practically extortion.
Randy, this one is for you: Is it really conservation when a wealthy rancher receives millions of dollars in conservation easement from the Nature Conservancy and Government yet is permitted to continue to graze his cattle on that same land?
Good point regarding housing density Marcus. I live within the city of Winnipeg Manitoba albeit on the periphery with parkland at my back gate. I maintain my property to encourage wildlife. Whitetail Deer and Jackrabbit visit from late Fall through early Spring to feed on hard and soft mast from the trees. Cottontail Rabbits and Squirrels inhabit my property permanently. A nesting pair of Peregrine Falcon return annually feeding predominantly on Robins, Grouse, Partridge and the occasional Blue Jay that gets too close to the nest.
Sincerely,
William
Great job Randy and crew, keep it up.
I wonder if the trend of hunter numbers going down is due to people who stopped buying hunting licenses because their family farm got sold. I would suspect that the amount of public land hunters have gone up dramatically while the amount of people hunting on their own land has gone down.
Maybe we should buy up land in the form of a coop to keep it open for wildlife habitat and conservation through hunting.
Well for me its been the anti hunting politicians who elect anti hunting leaders for dnr and fish and wildlife. Theyve destroyed hunting in my state and made it more dangerous by adding grizzlies back. I literally should be surrounded by wildlife and yet only rarely ever see a wild animal.
You won't like what i have share, but out of state hunters make the hunting access in Montana hard to come by. I'm 69 years young and have been hunting Montana since I turned 12 years old. Yes i have lived in Montana my whole life. I grew up in south Central Montana on a ranch where you could walk out the back door of the house and be in prime white tail hunting and drive less then a mile and hunt antelope and mule deer. And travel less the 30 miles and you could be hunting elk. Now all that land i hunted in my youth and in to young adult hood is either block mangement or its guided out or just no hunting period. I now live about 100 miles away from where i grew up. Just outside of Montana biggest city. There isn't any hunting access. That's has any good animal numbers. But if you want to have land that has a decent animal numbers you have to pay to play. Thats not for me. I do get a deer and elk tag every year and i do apply for antelope tag's. I have nerver hunted out of state. It's always been to expensive for me.
I have added CWMU units to my list of places to hunt because it's easier to draw a good area to hunt.
Sorry but there is no way you can say channels on youtube and other social media do have an affect on hunters numbers.
If you say that you're straight lying.
You can see this push in Colorado! Attempting to end Archery OTC tags just to start. Biggest complaint is there are too many hunters.
I just think we need more animals, that simple.
we need more access to land locked public land. I agree with you but I don't see how we have more animals at this point in human existence.
Maybe all the channels that make money off of hunting and wildlife should be encouraging the viewers to get behind the movement to make corner crossing legal. Their is only one content creator raising money to support the law suit now in the 10th circuit that will open millions acres for us all, and that is the Meat Eater.
And Steve Rinella has the courage to publicly comment on the negative impact that wind and solar energy generation will have on public land habitat. These massive projects that destroy habitat should be built in the closest proximity as possible to the cities consuming the bulk of the energy and not on public land.
The “me me me” approach that several western states are taking to the resident hunter approach is not helping the overall cause of keeping hunting relevant.
Seeing the hunter number statistics shows how misleading statistics can be by how they are presented. By reading the statement one would believe that there are less hunters on the landscape. however if you dissect the numbers you see that in 1960 with a population of 180 million 7.7 % represents 13.8 million hunters. In 2020 they say 4.6 % of the population hunts which would seem like a smaller number until you take in account the US population in 2020 was 329.5 million which represents 15.1 million hunters on the landscape. And as far as I know that landscape hasn't grown and actually there are less places for hunters with many private places off limits to hunters so that crams more hunters into those dwindling public places.
I think it can be helpful to point out that if you like eating meat, hunting has the least negative impact. The animals have led a wonderful life in the wild. No overgrazing, no pollution. If you care about the environment and want to eat meat, hunting is the only choice
Surprised you didn't mention respect for private & public land by general public also Arizona's cancelation of governor's tag anything that helps public involvement in water conservation if we as hunters can just unite we are powerful also elective commissioners that regulate the growth of every community.
Also I like Randy have trapped muskrats ,hunted ducks that now is housing development pheasant hunting now commercial businesses ect. Ect sorry know I'm preaching to the choir and even hunters don't want to kisten as was mentioned sounds like work YOU ARE RIGHT HUNTING IS WORK 365 days
I think the biggest threat to hunting is making 53% of the population not necessarily feel welcome. By that, I mean liberal/democratic people. As a left leaning hunter myself I sometimes feel a little "out of place" in the field. I look/am a little "hippiesh" with long hair. Every "welcome hunter" sign resides next to trump sign. Most hunting areas are in very red districts. I think with some outreach and messaging to the left side we can generate more support for conservancy and habitat. We can also hopefully foster more inclucivity from locals wanting our dollars as well.
You are the problem.
@@NunyaBusiness-py1lt I am left leaning also, people like you are the problem. You think you are right in your beliefs and everything else you do. Your comment speaks volumes, you are arrogant and narrow minded. I hunt, fish and camp most weekends, I am the problem because I don't think like you? YOU ARE THE PROBLEM.
T1nTodd - thanks for your comment, many of us feel the way you do.
Just because YOU feel out of place in a RED district makes the residents of that district the problem?? Have you been harassed, told you were not welcome, etc??? Sounds like you have some personal issues to me.
@Randy_Savage_ohyeah I SOMETIMES feel out of place. I've never been harrassed directly. The locals are not "the problem," but are a potential barrier to expanding hunting advocates in the liberal community. The topic of discussion for this episode was "What are the biggest threats to public land hunting?" I believe engaging and welcoming the "opposition" could change public perception and reduce threats to public land hunting. Y'all are proving my point.
Your attacks on me personally in response to my suggestions of outreach and including might come from your own persecution complex. Snowflake.
Politicians biggest threat to all things America 🇺🇸
Cause I want Randy's reply. Easements are barely above tax loopholes for the rich. Randy likes and defends them because of his clientele.
Easements are fantastic things. They've allowed banks to get rich on selling mineral rights while the farmers that work the land have no control of those minerals.
I can't wait for the reply that Randy promised because obviously my view of easements is short sighted and ignorant.
There is a couple of asinine comments here. I have been a OnXmap member almost when they started. Randy's Fresh Tracks hadn't started yet. I mostly use it for upland game and waterfowel hunting. Why not mention Gohunt, they are basic same thing, other than now Gohunt is Randy's sponsor now instead of OnX. I have lost a ton of upland game hunting here in CA due to development and habitat lose do to it. I believe also the more hunters we get out there the better, and not to try and keep my spot or honey hole.
I don’t see a lack of hunters. I wish they would all give it up frankly. Human impact on wildlife has been overwhelmingly negative not positive. Why is there WAY less wildlife then a 170 years ago? Historic over harvest, way to many people and mans inability to play God. Sure hunters may “protect” wildlife and even fund programs that allow farmers and ranchers to provide habitat. The issue is it’s far from perfect. We are still promoting hunting to the max and pushing wildlife onto limited habitat. Why do people put in for draws in 10 different states? Because the west doesn’t have enough wildlife to supply the demand. Recruiting more hunter is NOT going to fix that. It’s going to exacerbate the problem. Basically until the point that only the very elite class can hunt. When that happens it’s basically all over. People will NEVER care about something that is unattainable to them. I’d rather have a small group of passionate hunters and more access to what is left.
Meanwhile Billionaires own more than all of us.
One of the biggest threats is modern day market hunting. The people who turn hunting into a day job at the expense of wildlife and habitat are clearly making hunting worse. All of you having this discussion on this podcast are market hunters. You’re a yuge part of the problem.
Biggest threat is CZcams and OnX. Both are outta the bottle now…
I’ve got to respectfully disagree. CZcams is abused like everything else, but it’s often one of the best platforms we have for creating interest in wildlife. And OnX doesn’t create crowding. Development and divestment does. If others are aware of your “honey hole” because of OnX, well it’s public land, so it was never “yours” in the first place.
@@ricksmith2134 I'd disagree and note that OnX 1000% is a factor in crowding. There are a pile of spots your normal Joe Hunter didnt even know was public prior to apps like OnX. It also gives your normal guy a pile of confidence to 'go deep' into public without fear of getting turned around. Also YT certainly does create interest in wildlife, but its done so to a fault. There are more hunters on public land, and there isnt more area to work with to spread those people out.
Yet you are on CZcams and probably have an OnX or similar subscription…..
@@Randy_Savage_ohyeah Correct. Public land has WAY to much publicity these days. If a CZcamsr kills it on public, it notes 'PUBLIC LAND' in the title 90% of the time. I dont agree with everything he says but Rinellas bro has some decent points on the hunt quietly movement,
@@travisbowers5143 We’re obviously looking at the question differently. I understand your frustration with crowding, but population is growing and we can’t go back to the way it was 50 years ago as much as we would like to. If we want to keep hunting then we need to accept and encourage new hunters to advocate for it. And you’re right, CZcams is very successful at that. That makes them part of the solution not the problem. With more hunters we need more access and more game animals. Until we can come up with creative ways to do those things, we need to disperse hunters to every area available. I know it means more people in our precious honey holes, but it actually decreases real overcrowding in a lot of areas. I don’t think you’re really in favor of restricting regular joe hunters to a few really overcrowded areas so you can keep “your” area to yourself. They have as much right to it as anyone. And that makes OnX a part of the solution not the problem. Our choices are, accept the changes and work for solutions to the problems, or quit hunting. I’d rather be a part of the solution as well. This is a book, but it still doesn’t cover the whole issue.
Biggest threat to Public Land Hunting is "The Hunting Public" CZcams channel, people who spot burn and drop states names for self gain. If you can't do it without doing that van you really do it?
Not even in the top 40.
This comment couldn’t be more wrong
They have inspired more young people to get into hunting and that is good
@sammckinney6487 that's the narrative anyway 🙄
To each the other