Leatherman Wave Clones...Comparison
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- čas přidán 11. 07. 2024
- For those outside the USA I wanted to be fair and offer as much info about the BiBury Wave Clone as I can. I still feel the Multiforce (with 8cr13mov blade) is a far better value ($37 at walmart). Compared to what is currently $48 for the 19 in 1.
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Thanks for thinking of us over the pond.
Very much appreciated. ❤️🇪🇺🇩🇪
I live in the UK and decided to pick up the Bibury copy. Worth considering when these are $137 cheaper than the real Leatherman wave!
I just ordered it myself in the UK on Amazon. How's yours holding up?
Are you allowed to carry a bladed multitool in the UK? I want gift someone in the UK a tool like this and I assumed that I would have to go with the bladeless option.
@@allanhatcher3430 You can certainly own them no issues. The law states that you can’t legally carry one of these as they have a serrated blade and both knives lock. However if your friend has a reason to carry one (e.g for work) then the police won’t charge you with anything.
Haha I got the wave for 90 suck my wave
ive had gerber and leatherman and i just picked up a bibury and i gotta say im very impressed.....the bit driver is a huge plus as i never liked the small drivers on the wave and charge....supertool 300 has a decent one but does not have any outside access like wave
Yes...your right, Leatherman's and U.S. derivitives cost sometimes more than 250 dollars on Lazada, shopee , and even ali express. I've seen upwards of 400 dollars for a Leatherman...unreal.
I'm a retired army helicopter crewchief living here abroad in the Philippines 15 years now. They have Gerber's for cheap but they're not real. I've ordered several types and the best so far, hands down, is nextool. Average price 20 to 30 dollars. The nextool flagship mini is the best micro multi tool I've owned. Blows the u.s. versions away I was amazed. But for full size, nextool so far is the best (Best micro AND full size). But just like every multi tool in existence, each one is missing at least one critical tool thats on the one right beside it. It's almost as if these engineers say ,"oh this is the best tool yet on this device, lets create a new model, take this off and put another useless tool on instead no one will ever use!" (i.e. lanyard hole, file, unsharpenable serated blade, etc.)
Quick note - I enjoyed your video! It was a good comparison! I have had a Leatherman Wave for years. It has been a great tool! Over the last six months, I have picked up four Ozark Trail Multiforce tools! I have even converted one to a pocket knife (as per your video with a couple modifications). For the price versus performance..... The Multiforce is a great tool, at a great price! I believe Competition is good! Hopefully, Leatherman will innovate and raise the bar!
Thanks for the input! Also just got a code for this tool to be $30. In description
Maybe the competition should do their own innovation. But proof they can't is that they have to copy Leatherman
Thanks I enjoyed this, I'm in the UK and interested in the multiforce there are numerous equivalents on that site provided to you have an equivalent recommendation ideally one that comes with a bit driver, and is as solid as reasonably possible. Thanks for your hard work.
We don't have Walmart in Australia but we do have Bunnings. Great place to buy tools etc and not break the bank. A good place to get material if doing a project. Cheers mate.
The Multiforce is actually a pretty decent tool, especially for the price. I think it matches up well with any Gerber or SOG I've ever seen or handled.. Sure it's too bulky and heavy for EDC, but it would be a good addition to a pack, go bag, or glove box. The best tool in it? The scissors. The worst? Definitely the file. It would be a great choice for someone new to multitools who doesn't want to spend $70+ on one.
Yep agreed
Excellent video you covered a lot of information thank you, I was wondering how the diamond file held up on the Bibury and did the Bibury come with any warnings on the box [Chinese made tools] ? I brought Swiss+Tech tool [Chinese made tool] pliers and on the box was a Californian warning about the dangerous lead that the tool is made of. Thank you very much.is your
Thanks for the video! Here in Europe these cost from 1/3 to 1/4 of the Wave price. Got Daicamping version of it and I like it. Now onto figuring out the pocket clip!
I just got a new coupon code today that should reduce the price further, in description
I should be sleeping but I just love your videos! Keep it up!
🙏 thanks!
I wonder if some of these parts could be used in a smaller leatherman like the sidekick to add the file bit or a larger blade for very cheap?
is it possible to modyfing bibury bits holder to replace the wave flat bits holder? seems good to change that, no need to purchase others leatherman accesories, hope you can try it
This is a really helpful video, thank you.
Next time though, could you use a rubber tool mat to avoid the constant banging noises going straight into the microphone ?
The mic is very sensitive and it's a hard surface I'm working on. Will do what I can 😉
I would love to see you do a video on replacing broken leatherman multi tools with clone parts / compatibility
Oh boy...that's more like 5 video's but we will get there
@@maxlvledcI really look forward to that. I own a dozen or more multi tools and I prefer to repair myself. Availability of parts for broken blades is rough. Some list them on eBay but almost as much for an individual blade than for an entire tool. It would be nice to purchase an inexpensive clone and take the blade out and repair the leatherman. Anyway, your videos have helped me out immensely! Keep up the good work.
That's a damn good idea
Came here to see if someone tried that yet. The full 3D bit driver would be nice for a wave
Or vice versa. I mean put wave parts in that bibury.
I bought the Multiforce last week, and while watching this review decided to test the scissors. The scissors on mine are more like the Bibury, bending the paracord rather than cutting it. Maybe Ozark Trail is slipping on quality control... Sad because I actually got a little excited after seeing how well they worked for you!
Few words on scissors jamming.
Causes by:
- excessive hinge play, and
- grind angle not aggressive
Comment
* Reducing play blades may not open
* Work angles too steep, edges may bite in one another, specially cutting solid like a zip tie. Solution? Modify - finish grind lower edge with #80 grid lower edge to 80-75 degree include angle (this prevents skid). Upper with #1000 or finer and edge to 45-30 degrees (this promotes sheer, prevents jam and blade-blade fight)
Thanks for the video 👌
Also on aliexpress is the Daicamping 18 In 1 which seems to be a clone of the multiforce. But the scissors are not good and the other side of the file is NOT diamond, possibly emery?
What kind of steel in the biberry blade?
All the pieces and parts are made in factories no doubt overseas and are available for purchase by any company that wants to buy them. Leatherman let the patent go on the Wave so it is open season for any and all companies who want to purchase the parts and put out their own " Wave' facsimile. Nice video I think the next time I'm at my local Walmart I'll grab a Multiforce for the glove box.
Actually most of leatherman's parts are made in house..the plier head, bit holders are the big items that are made in Mexico
@@maxlvledc still better quality than China
this thing is 30 right now on amazon. would you recommend this, or spring the extra 10 for the multiforce?
I want a "keybar" type / multitool with some Leatherman half , like the mod you made ... But adding 3/4 keys
We can do something like that
I have the wave and the multi force and I prefer the multi force mainly because it doesn't pinch. After the third blood blister I stopped using the wave. The diamond file doesn't hold up on the multi force but other than that it's a better designed tool. Quality is good but not as good as the wave.
I got something that looks almost exactly like the bibury here in Europe, but it's called Energo. It came with a pretty decent faux leather sheath. The only difference is there are some shapes cut out from the handles, so it's a tiny bit lighter. I'm satisfied with it, for $40
This is amazing, as much as I love leatherman I tend to lose them after a while
I bought a Bibury 19 in 1 last week for my 8 year old, thinking it wouldn't be as big of a deal if he lost it. The machining and features are fine but the metal quality is a huge problem. The Bibury straight blade chipped and rolled in so many places after my son took the bark off a single branch! I lent him my old Wenger SAK to finish his project with no wear to the SAK blade, as it should be. I ended up buying a real Wave+ shortly after that.
Which one was that? That's bad even for a Chinese tool.
Wow.
Hi, I would like to do a plierless mod, do you know if the biburi wave clone has the same capabilities as the multi force? Since they pretty much look identical. Maybe you'll be willing to do a short video about it?
Thank you for your videos
I don't think so, but maybe worth exploring!
@@maxlvledc thank you for your reply. I just bought one on Amazon with the swiss+tech multitool (also budget friendly) to experiment and see if I can mix and match the tools. They seem to operate on the same-ish platform. If I can do something descent with it I'll tell you if you're interested.
I wonder if some of the wave's tool could fit the bibury. I mean like the saw and knife,scissors like those. Wonder they fits or not. I mean no parts for the bibury but you can get parts for wave
Hmm, I believe it can go from bibury to wave, not the other way. Also the bit holder will only fit the rebar.
How strong is the belt clip? Is it strong or is it weak and wimpy? Thanks in advance 🦉
I'd say strong enough, it's not flimsy
What tools do you need to work on the wave inspired multi tools?
I know my wave is two safety torx 10
Normal torx, I'll do a disassembly video of both clones.
@@maxlvledc thank you
Leatherman multi-tools king of them all and I approve this message 🤗
The bibury looks really similar to my swiss+tech 17 in one. (could swiss+tech be just a rebranding for europe?) Fortunately for me I found my leatherman wave +, which I had previously lost.
in Italy a normal wave + costs 170euros ($180!)
I'll keep the swiss+tech one for testing and because it does look really sturdy for the price.
yeah I think the swisstech is the same as daicamping and bibury
I totally get the point of these reviews. It must be nice to have amazing deals, and cheap used market, but in Hungary its not the case. I got a Signal for 175(at the time of buying huf to dollar exchange rate was like 400 to 1), for example, and it was a good price.
Thank you for these type of content :)
My pleasure!
Really great video with some comparable alternatives to the Leatherman Wave.
As much as I love the Wave, its hard to spend $200 + on the Wave or Wave+
Uhhh dude I got my wave for like 90
@Druidic I think I meant to say $100+. In Canada, they are typically $150 or so
@@Ashton.everydaycarry yikes
@Druidic Yeah exactly. And if you want the bit kit, or even pocket clip that's extra. At least for the wave.
I think you missed a major point, how do they feel, smoothness, finish, clips, clicks, locking, flex, etc, overall quality perception
Any idea if you can drop thr bit driver from the multiforce in to the wave or charge?
Not in those no..rebar and st300 yes
@@maxlvledc do you have a video of the rebar mod? How many tools does it take up?
The diamond file on my multiforce I was really excited about, and then instantly disappointed with once I used it. The diamond portion wore off almost immediately. Dont know if I was just unlucky or they're all like that. I also noticed it wasn't completely flat as well, when using it.
This is not uncommon, the multiforce file was not great
@@maxlvledc disappointing. Have you test the Bibury one yet?
@@survivalofthefittest409 not yet...but I'll be surprised if it's much better
@@maxlvledc I'll be looking for that review!
All these diamond files are bad from what I've found.
I think it's sad that there are so many copies of the Leatherman Wave. It's the first and still the best of it's kind. Leatherman gets so much criticism, but they keep building quality tools and standing behind their product. The mentality of criticising Leatherman seems to me no differents when compared to the mentality that it is o.k. to steal a design (or someone else's work or intellectual property). Written in to the U.S. Constitution is protection of intellectual property and I know very few people will believe in that or fight for that. And, I will get criticised for personally believing in that idea.
Thanks. Well stated.
thank you
Can the bibury hold a 1/4 hex shaft?
Yes
Where and when was the wave or wave plus $200 in the states? Never I say. You can get it for $130 and even less at some places.
had to giggle a bit when you talked about tight tolerances in the wave. My old one is cool, but i had to return two new wave + because they where ridiculously bad, stiff blades, wobbly handles, sharp edges, the whole program. Bought a swisstool x after that, this thing has tight tolerances, feels like clockwork precision, everything clacks in to place, very satisfying sound.
100% agree.
@@maxlvledc i really wanted to like the wave +2h (here in germany we have laws against one hand opening knives/blades) and gave it another chance, but for 159 Euros i expect a well made tool and not something i have to round off the edges and oil/move the pliers like mad to make them smooth. My old one i bought used, so maybe i had just luck there, or my theory they used not so nice made parts to make it ("Ausschussware=scrap goods), i dont know. The embossing on the handles was very uneven, leatherman barely readable, both times.
@@peddypeoples941 i just bought a wave + 2h, legal to carry here in germany. Was kinda annoyed to spend 150€ for that thing because these are kinda rare and found no used one. I have both Vic Multitools and i love them but really miss a bit holder on them and the fact that they hold together with rivets, i love to option to take your tool apart it and mod it with other tools. Till now the Vic Spirit was my EDC and i love that thing, but after im done modding my Wave i guess its way more suited for my needs and will take the EDC role.
@@thedude1292 those two waves i bought where 2h (i am german too) and totally ruined it for me. You may have had luck with them, i didnt want to order a third one:P
little tip: a rathet bit holder fits on the caplifter scewdriver head, makes a swisstool (and lots of standard saks) very versatile, no need for those soft overpriced flat bits:)
@@peddypeoples941 totally understand that, the build quality and tolerances of the Wave are not that great you expect from a 150€ tool. When i got my first Wave a few years ago it was about 90-95€ and that price is okay i think considering the great leatherman warranty, sadly lost it on a job site. As a craftsman the Wave was with me every day on jobsites and got used (and abused) alot, in that regard i did not mind the "roughness" of the wave and its way more suited for my job as both of the Vic Multitools, i tried. As i said the Spirit (XBS) is my main EDC MT, but still wanted a Wave more suited for rough work. The Spirit, especially the XBS is really suited for working with electronis and other lighter duty jobs. With my work EDC i carry a small bit ratchet and a few bits anyways and sure rather use the ratchet as the MT driver but when it comes to EDC in my free time i dont really want to carry a extra ratchet and bits so thats when the leatherman 2D bits come in handy (yes they are overpriced) and till now none of the bits have failed me. As i said the modding of the wave is really attractive, im going to replace the serrated blade with 91mm Vic scissors and get rid of the internal ones and put in a awl instead, maybe add a better file to it too. Another big bonus for the Vic MTs is that all tools are accessible from the outside. It really is a tough choise but if i had to decide between the Spirit and the Wave id go for the Spirit no doubt.
149€ for the Leatherman Wave, at the german amazon.
I decided to buy the BiBury.
Personally I despise clones. I get that they are there for people who can’t afford the real thing but in my experience a $50 clone only gives me maybe $10 worth of quality so I always tell people to skip the clone and try to find the real deal used for clone price on ebay, especially when it comes to Leatherman or Gerber because of their excellent warranties
In many ways the multiforce has some improvements over the wave. But I agree that the warranty is top notch of Leatherman. The purpose of these videos is to emphasize that Leatherman must continue to adapt to stay successful.
I notice now with some of these clones they're starting to charge more when you might as well put an extra few bucks for a legit Leatherman wave lol. You're 💯 right, even 35 dollars is pushing it compared to when the clones first came out at cheaper.
Knock-offs are a way of telling the OG to up their game. If you're not in a hurry to upgrade, wait out for a new release
Had to return the Bibury. The pivot screws kept loosening themselves to the point that the knife bladed became dangerous to use, even after using loctite
After loctite?? Crazy. One of the benefits of that piece of steel between pivot screw and blade on multiforce.
@Maxlvledc I've never had that happen. Used loctite blue and the screw kept loosening when you opened the blade. Almost like the loctite was grabbing the blade and screw together and loosening it.
@Rick RangerBravo wierd for sure.
Are any of those Swiss made stainless steel 🦾⛑️🇨🇭🪖
Not that I know of
Picked up the 19 in 1 BiBury for $12! They are on flash sale for $29 plus your code $12. I can't belive it! Thank you!
really??
@@maxlvledc yes I kid you not! It's was on flash sale and I added you code and it came down to $12
I like the bybury
Good review. I bought my first Leatherman in the early '60s and loved it. But time marches on, and Leatherman did not. I bought my son his first Leatherman in '94 when he graduated from Navy boot camp. But again time marches on, and Leatherman did not. Since then we both moved on. First me to a Victorinox multitool in the late '90s, then both of us to Gerber, which we still carry. I have a particular problem with replaceable carbide cutters. On hard wire, they don't just break, they shatter. I'll never have a multitool with carbide cutters.
Your in luck, you can replace them with speed steel cutters that will never break. Expensive, but worth jt
I use mainly Leatherman, but recently also tried the Gerber ranges. I was quite disappointed with the mystery steel and clumsy scissors of the Gerber brand.
@@francoiscoetzer9920 frankly they all need a swift kick in the junk
@@maxlvledc I have had replaceable cutters break on me when cutting hard wire. This problem does not seem to be unique to one brand. Every multitool has its advantages and disadvantages. The Gerber MP600 with one hand opening (OHO) fits my needs. When Leatherman makes a tool with OHO at a reasonable price, I will be first in line.
@@shastaham7630 awesome. The p series are easy one hand opening pliers as is the OHT. The speed steel cutters are industrial grade designed for cutting metal for hours a day...so they last a very long time.
Great review Maxlvlec. A bit disappointed about the scissors. For those of us in Canada this is a good option. Btw, the Ozark Trails multiforce does not seem to be available in my part of Canada...went to 3 different Walmarts and none offered it. Not sure if this is a Canada thing or just my area. Thanks for the review. 👍
If I can find a link to Amazon Canada and the EU. I'll look for some options you can get. Keep reminding me
@@maxlvledc thanks
i got unlucky, when i got my bibury tool the scissors could not cut a damn thing. had to return it
Which one?
@@maxlvledc the 16 in 1 $10 tool
@@EDCObsession mine was good, but I'm not surprised it has inconsistent QC at $10. Can you sharpen the scissors to improve it?
@@maxlvledc maybe, i didnt try. i find a lot of times when scissors are rolling over on softer material like paracord it's because the riveting is done improperly. but for $10 i just returned it, didnt really bother.
They might look good bu
Got the Bibury for 24 dollars (had to buy one of their knives for 6 dollars as part of a bundle sale) and I really don't give a shit what you have to say hahaha. It's 24 dollars versus over a hundred for the Leatherman. So yeah, your point about why this review makes sense stands but I won't let you criticize my precious bargain deal. It ain't much but it's my first multitool.
Hahaha, no judgment here!
Got the multiforce at Walmart today for 13 dollars
Whaaaaat???? How???
@@maxlvledc in the display cabinet it was sitting on the stand labeled for the 13 dollar ozark trail one. Told them I wanted that one they brought out the 13 dollar one I told them that one was different I'd take the display one so they let me have it
@@MrBlaze256 sick
I still don't understand how these companies don't get sued into multi generational debt for blatantly ripping off leatherman
Why? The patients are expired.
@@maxlvledc oh no! the patients expired!? what kind of hospital are they running
@@subspaceanomaly lol
Is it insulting or flattery......I don't think it's either,it's just people making money by filling the niche of half decent quality tools at ridiculously low prices that more people can afford.There is realistically no way on earth that leatherman,Gerber sog etc,etc are worth the difference in price that they are, especially if the tool isn't used in a professional capacity.
I'm a maintenance operative on a holiday lodge park i can buy 4 Bibury multi tools for the price of the equivalent leatherman or Gerber......it's a no brainer really if the truth is known.
Instead of slagging these copies off maybe we should be asking why the price of the originals is ridiculously high and encouraging the firm's that make them to be more realistic on their pricing rather than charging exorbitant prices for their reputation.
Are they ridiculously high though?? My leatherman wave in 1999 was $100 new...the price is actually less now. Btw, I still think multiforce is best one atm.
@@maxlvledc Well over here in the UK I can by the Bibury 21 function multi tool for just over £20......the equivalent leatherman is four times that amount......is the leatherman four times better quality.....I doubt it.
I just lost my leatherman charge two days ago and I'm absolutely gutted,I used it everyday for one thing or another so I'm now looking to replace it......for just over £20 the Bibury is looking like a decent option at the moment.
@@neilgutteridge6405 woww!!! Yea then by all means get that Bibury!
Ok you need to keep the review to a reasonable length but only testing the scissors made this a very subjective review. i think you actually gave more pluses to the bibury even though you prefer the multiforce
I bought the bibury clone purely ooc. Needless to say the execution on design is absolutely terrible. Burrs on EVERY tool, worthless file that flakes off more "diamond coating" than filed matl, plier wobble, weak plier detent/resistance.
For 30-60 bucks I recommend a secondhand rebar or st300 from ebay or a local pawnshop.
Oh, yours was a really bad one. A good example of why it's better to buy the Leatherman. Thanks for sharing!
If leatherman finds this insulting, they have a lot of explaining to do to TOK
Checkmate!
That is no clone. These were products that put leatherman to shame.
These are not Clones they are only lookalikes and Not all Leatherman parts are usa made. Just a few (10-5%) And there was a law suit over this misleading advertisement. Files were one...But anyway, Having a multitool for the tackle box, emergency kit, or in the pocket for occasional and light work is better than not having one. But to a trades man that work with his hands thats going to grip hard, twist hard, while gripping hard, ect.,,daily---for YEARS with the same tool,,or someone who wants quality, Comparing these 10-15$ tool to a Leatherman, SOG or Gerber is pointless, WHY? Because there is no comparison except visually. What about Precision and STEEL GRADE.. stainless just means it won't rust. Many grade of stainless.. Heat treating, forging and drop forging, tempering, so on and so forth with much higher grade of stainless cannot be done at that price point. But thats what the real players do and that why they would have to cost more and a true clone would be of the same build.. Be honest,, these are not clones they're lookalikes... all thats taking place is a visual comparison. And what good is that??? Walmart brand is famous for stripping the Phillips screwdriver and bending the straight edge, twisting the pliers on the first use.. Both of these none clones are nothing but cheap, made cheap with cheap material. They're only clones visually. Sorry and politely but your steering people in the wrong direction by thinking they're going to get the same quality with the word clone. In fact they are made as cheap as they possibly can be just as long as they sell. There is no comparing...
they are "clones" what your referring to I would call a knock off where they basically use everything even the names and text. And in what way did I EVER claim they were as good? At no point did I do so, if anything its the other way around. But there are some features of the Multiforce for instance I found to be BETTER than the wave, such as the scissors cutting ability and the full sized hex driver.
@@maxlvledc well said
Save more money and buy a real leatherman, not the cheap chinese made knockoffs!
Broke: whats the best wave clones
Woke: whats the best pst clones 😎
Ahhh. Good question...nothing is better than a PST 😉
Not even joking...By the #s the PST is the best multitool ever made...more functions per gram than any other plier based tool ever made.
Don't support the for profit left of intellectual property.
It's expired..this is natural progression
@@maxlvledc that's a nice way look at it or you could pay attention to the world and see the massive ongoing theft of intellectual property from american brands and others through out the world by chinese companies patent or not and be disgusted by it because thats the appropriate response to this.