Seiko SRPK17 vs "JDM" SBSA225: Made in Japan? - did I get the JDM or non-JDM?
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- Looking online to answer a question about what makes a JDM one JDM. Looking at the available stuff online, it looks like maybe there's a question, because the only "non"-JDM I could find online so far is on Seiko's UK site. Between mine and a confirmed JDM example the only difference is the daywheel language. I don't have Kanji / English, I've got Spanish / English, but dial & caseback are "Made In Japan". Anyone have more info?
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I puchased my Made In Japan SRPK17 from Seiko USA online. It has the ES day wheel. I have seen several other US ADs selling the non-Made in Japan model. It seems strange they would set up two production lines for a limited edition, but Kudos to Seiko for selling the Made In Japan version officially in the US.
The Seiko MACV-SOG is being redone into an homage by Praesidus. It’ll use an NH36, have 3 lume/dial options, be made slightly larger into a 38mm and everything else is virtually the same as the original. Pretty impressive and under $300
When are they coming out?
Thanks for the heads up on that! Been wishing Seiko should reissue it but the Praesidus looks nice. I just made my own homage from a SNK381.
The only thing that denotes JDM is the intent for it to be sold domestically in Japan. It is issued a different part number and is usually accompanied by different packaging (and hang tag) and has a the Kanji/English date wheel. Yours was made in Japan but was not for the Japanese Domestic Market so it's by definition not JDM. It appears that they made the ones for Japan, the USA and Canada in a Japanese factory and the ones for the rest of the world in another factory (China in all likelihood). This is not always the case but it's what they did in this instance.
Another example is that in Australia you can buy the King turtle models that are made in China (SRPE03K) everywhere but one specific dealer has the Made in Japan but non-JDM version (SRPE03J). It's not a grey market import because Seiko Australia issues the warranty via email for either model version so it must come in via official channels. The JDM version is the SBDY049 so it's different again.
I've heard claims that "Made in Japan" models may be made outside of Japan because the county of origin laws in Japan allow it but I don't necessarily believe that to be the case. Even if it was allowed in Japan it would be an issue if they then imported that into the US or many other countries anyway. Some models (the Sumo etc.) just say "Japan" and not "Made in Japan" which adds to the confusion. Some of the "Japan" models have cases that are most definitely made in China (it even says so internally). So it's not an easy racket to get to the bottom of but I think you can count on it being ambiguous because it suits them for it to be ambiguous.
I almost both that watch, but when In start, they start scamming, I'm not interested I rather buy something with Eta muwment and I will giwe x2 but I'm OK
I believe also that the first run of these was exclusively for the home market so if it's one of those you'll have a lower limited edition number and of course Kanji day. I purchased mine in Japan and it's number 275/15555. If it doesn't have Kanji then it wasn't JDM only.
Mine came tagged with srpk17 from an AD. Made in Japan on the dial and case back. And I wish Seiko would’ve used that original slotted bracelet.
Of the 15,555 total pieces, 1300 were reserved for JDM. I believe these are SN 00001 through 01300/15555. I have 046xx and it is an SRPK17 with Japan dial and case back, ES day wheel.
You're the 4th person I think who has a non-JDM with serials in the 4000s, including me.
@@SpencerKleinVintageWatch I got tired of trying to get a JDM and decided to settle for a non-JDM, expecting it wouldn't be a Japan version. Grabbed mine mid-July as soon as a decent priced one showed up on the Bay and was happy to discover it was marked Japan/Japan when it arrived. I think the product photos on the various Seiko sites are misleading and probably altered. You'll notice there are two different caseback pics of SN 00001, one shows Japan and one doesn't.
Glad I saw this video, I live in Ireland and these watches are impossible to get anywhere in Europe, they all sold out, I had to buy one from America cost me a lot more with taxes and shipping though. I just checked it and it is made in Japan, which I'm happy about tbh, the made in Japans are more sought after.
I have a srpk17 which I bought from Seiko in Germany. It has a german/english date wheel and doesnt say made in Japan. I am guessing Europe gets the non Japanese version. Mine runs great with amplitude in the 280s und +2s/d.
Sounds like the oiling machines were on their game the day yours was made.
Hi Spencer. I think you've got the meaning of "JDM" wrong. Simply put, JDM watches are intended for sale only in Japan *through the official distribution network of the manufacturer*. Thus you wouldn't find a JDM model on Seiko websites outside of Japan. It is true that they are usually bespoke models, better movements, case finishing etc. That said JDMs can be purchased through idependant sellers like Seiya Japan.
What Seiko chooses to print on their watches is just the typical flummoxery Seiko is so fond of. 😂
Interesting!! Mine doesn't have the made in Japan text anywhere so mine is for sure not a JDM model.
I like this remake, but I do not like the new Seiko 5’s they all look like an skx knock off but it’s not I would rather have a real skx and as far as Seiko 5’s I like the old 37mm Seiko 5’s but this is definitely cool.
Seiko’s spamming the SKX case has gotten old already.
Mine says made in Japan on the dial and case back. It's from an AD in Florida. The serial # is in the 4000's.
Mine is in the 4000s too.
I have the two Save the Ocean Antarctica Monster watches SBDY105 and SBDY115 that say made in Japan 🇯🇵 but don’t have the Kanji date wheel.
I agree with other commenters on the distinction between JDM (intended to not be exported) and any supercilious print on dials or casebacks indicating Japan as county of origin. They are two different things. I have thought, based on many forum threads over the years, that Japan country of origin markings on what are clearly export manufactured product were to comply with some byzantine import laws in the middle east, possibly dictated by Saudi Arabia. Of course everything I have just said could be total fiction. 🙂 But I am pretty sure that true JDM product with day/date complication would have Kanji as one of the languages.
I agree.
YOU ARE CORRECT. The only difference is the day wheel. And the instructions/paperwork language of course.
That's really nuts. So, in theory switching the daywheel to Kanji would make it indistinguishable from the JDM models. I wonder what the serial number ranges are. Three people self-reported that their bought-in-USA models have serials in the 4000s.
That random guy in the Seiko factory is really messing around with these JDM watches
I have an SRPK17 with Made in Japan, a bi -directional bezel and a non Kangi day/date wheel.
I am in USA.
Where's your serial number? Mine's in the 4000's.
02690
Hi, I have SRPK17, #1323/15555, English/Spanish date wheel, with “Made in Japan on front dial and rear case.
Mine is from US AD, made in Japan, non Kongi date wheel as well
Is srpk17 k1 Made in Japan too ?
I've got the "Aussie SPRK". No made in Japan anywhere. Chinese/Hanzi day wheel.
Chinese/English I should say.
Chinese?? Japanese you mean?
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@@CocoKoi321 Nope, the pieces sold in Australia are English/Chinese. No made in japan text.
@@CocoKoi321 The Japanese writing system includes Chinese characters, known as kanji in Japanese, along with two syllabic scripts called hiragana and katakana. The use of Chinese characters in Japanese can be traced back to the influence of Chinese culture on Japan, particularly during the early stages of Japanese civilization.
Here are some key reasons why Chinese characters are used in the Japanese language:
Historical Influence: The adoption of Chinese characters in Japan dates back to the 5th century when Japan first encountered Chinese culture and writing. The Japanese borrowed Chinese characters to represent their own language and concepts, adapting them to suit their own linguistic needs.
Complexity and Nuance: Chinese characters can convey complex meanings and nuanced ideas in a concise manner. By using kanji, the Japanese language is able to express a wide range of concepts with a relatively small set of characters.
Cultural Significance: Chinese characters have been historically associated with literacy, scholarship, and culture in East Asia. Their use in Japanese writing reflects the cultural ties and influences between Japan and China.
Clarity and Differentiation: Kanji can help differentiate between homophones in Japanese, as many words in Japanese have the same pronunciation but different meanings. By using different kanji characters, writers can clarify the intended meaning of a word.
Aesthetic Appeal: Kanji characters are visually striking and can add aesthetic value to written texts, such as calligraphy and traditional art forms.
While Chinese characters play a significant role in Japanese writing, it is important to note that the Japanese writing system also includes hiragana and katakana, which are syllabic scripts used for native Japanese words, verb endings, and grammatical particles. The combination of kanji, hiragana, and katakana allows Japanese writers to express a wide range of ideas and concepts effectively.
It is said that about 60-70% of Japanese words come from Chinese. Like how French and Latin are to English, Chinese loanwords are used to create formal vocabulary and technical terms in Japanese.
They use the same tools, QC standards and training in both factories. A modern "JDM" seiko is identical to foreign market ones. Except for some markings...
Yes, that's the crux of this video.
I have a San Martin :) SN0107-G.
bi directional bezel. no misalignment.
i think the title should say SBSA223
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