Kids Are Missing School at an Alarming Rate
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- čas přidán 16. 06. 2024
- Long after schools have fully reopened after the pandemic, one concerning metric suggests that children and their parents have changed the way they think about being in class.
Sarah Mervosh, an education reporter for The Times, discusses the apparent shift to a culture in which school feels optional.
Guest: Sarah Mervosh (www.nytimes.com/by/sarah-mervosh) , an education reporter for The New York Times.
Background reading:
• School absences have “exploded” across the United States (www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...) .
• Data shows that the more time students spent in remote instruction during the pandemic, the further they fell behind (www.nytimes.com/2024/03/18/up...) .
For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily (nytimes.com/thedaily?smid=pc-t...) . Transcripts of each episode will be made available by the next workday.
I'm not sure I understand...doesn't a parent have any control to make a kid go to school? I don't remember having a choice. We went to school, because our parents made us!
You are the parent he didn’t stop going to school you stopped making him. You are his mother not his bestie. He is your responsibility.
I'm not a psychologist, but to me it just sounds like Dana's son was just a normal teenager.
I'm suprised the mom didn't just force him.
The vast majority of people his age range feel that way.
I felt that way.
This is the story of someoe becoming a teenager, this isn't really a psychological story.
I really think this is a good example of how we have overdone psychology in our society in all these ways.
Also, regarding underprivileged kids missing school because they were working,
I don't want to undermine the difficulties poor kids face,
they face a lot of prooblems,
However I think its illegal for them to be working during school hours.
Next, there were many nights where I didn't get enough sleep because i was watching Netflix, CZcams or playing video games.
And I still went. My mom woke me up and dropped me off at school.
Honestly until I reached 11th grade it was constantly a problem in the class where it was noisy and full of distractions.
(I suspect the other kids who didn't care couldn't get past 10th grade academically)
If the worst students didn't go, i probably would've learned better.
My class was constantly called the worst class they've ever had.
That being said, if kids had the option to not go, then i suspect groups of students would choose not to.
The most common memory i have of school is teachers saying to my class after a test was graded: "You are the worst class i've ever had" and would spendbthe whole class saying "most of you aren't even trying".
And my school won a lot of awards for being one of the best schools in the state.
“She, and her husband, work from home.” Not “HER and her husband…”
It really does seem to me that at this point in society culture tells us that we should always seek to put the least amount of effort in and avoid doing anything hard and try to get the most benefit for ourselves out. And that's okay and then narrow sense of running a business but if you do that for your whole life what you end up doing is thinking that the point of life is to avoid doing things you don't want to do and no one lives a good life like that you end up miserable with lots of anxiety and depression. But actually makes you happy or content in the long run is being grateful for what you have making meaningful relationships doing the hard thing and giving more value to others than you get. This is roughly stoicism and I get it from my Finnish side of the family, where we have Sisu which is essentially stoicism and it's no wonder Finland is always the happiest country in the world. It's something messed up with our human brains that when things get too easy we start to get miserable. Look at the sky rocketing rates of anxiety and depression when we have huge amounts of material goods, food and money.
This is why I like to go hiking sure it's miserable while you do it but you feel fantastic after you get done with it.
I've long thought kids need flexible vacation time like people have at work, but that's not going to be 10%, and there are problems with kids missing key learning if they're not a little ahead, because school isn't really a job, it just feels like one. A lot of this might be a new workplace attitude toward working sick, translated to parenting.
this society has turned out to be a total disaster, its in collapse. i think many people just think what the heck does anything matter anymore?
So, why shouldn't this also be going wrong?
Beyond the basics and socializing school is not very good at teaching kids. I hated school but loved to learn on my own, I always missed as many days as I could so I could work on the farm. But at the end of the day you can't let your 13 year old kid decide these things. My mom sure as hell didn't let me miss anymore than the allowable days. He is already learning to avoid problems instead of dealing with them right away that's a bad habit to start so young. There is a fine line between being a tyrant parent and being a free range parent. I am actually one that leans to free range if they stay within certain parameters. That's how my mom raised me, but I was good kid and if she said I had to do something I would, but she rarely had to say anything.
Long covid is a serious and real illness and can result in chronic conditions that require comprehensive care. These conditions can last for weeks or last for years. Pediatricians are figuring it out. It hasn’t been around for decades. Certainly an inflammatory illness that affects the brain, heart, lungs will have an impact on attendance in schools and jobs. People are not blowing off school or work. The increase in 504/IEP plans in the schools have also significantly increased which has medical doctor documentation with valid reasons.
This peice was not up to the normal standards on The Daily.
First we have: rich kids are missing school because of vacation but poor kids are missing school because they are engaging in child labor (nothing to back this up because obviously they're goofing off with their friends and their parents don't know or don't care).
Then we meet a diverse array of people who can't figure out how to compel their children to go to school, which is, in fact, their legal obligation.
I'm more interested in hearing about challenges that are actually hard to navigate, systems that are actually broken. Not people who are just bad at making choices. And call your guests on their bs please.
It hard to imagine schools and communities coming together when our political system keeps using the educational environment as a battleground. Frankly, you can see hints reflected in people's commentary on this video.
"He felt he wasn't ready" - hey lady who's the parent tho? There were days I hated middle school, but I had to go. Maybe we need to bring back the belt.
it's possible to be a much better parent than that without hitting your kids. precision yelling was enough for me lol
@@MayorMcC666that's fair, precision yelling does work, and spanking should absolutely be a last resort. A lot of parents don't have the self discipline to yell precisely tho 😸.
Based on my experiences, the only change since the pandemic has been kids are sick A LOT MORE. That's it. It doesn't take a genius or an academic to figure this out.
Where is Michael? I cam here for Michaels, 'Ummmhummmm". I want to speak with a manager.
❤❤❤Too big to fail. Because the numbers are so large there’s safety in numbers. The stats that compared pre pandemic to current numbers are misunderstood ing the situation. The society will be forced to adjust now and into the future. Things will just have to work out and it will take more time, more years. Teachers and parents have to realize this is a long term journey. Dont sweat it, go with the flow 😊😊😊😊a
Thank you for this thoughtful discussion.
I would like to invite us to look at this issue also from the lens of education policy. 🌱 It is critical that we bring to this discussion the policy makers at the federal, state, and district levels who have the most power in resources and policy making. As Dr. Ibram X. Kendi invites us to understand, it is policies not people who govern outcomes we see. While we can look at families, students, and teachers/school to understand their experiences as symptoms, the root causes of these experiences are caused predominantly by policies that come from a well-meaning far away place that are misaligned with the emotional, social, and academic needs of students in 2024.
🌱 More on this policy of education lens on understanding chronic absenteeism here: czcams.com/video/J0VEjhkOegE/video.htmlsi=ZVeu3urtwNtKsJm5
The vocal fry is a bit overwhelming in this interview. It is distracting from the great message she is delivering.
So much less smug than Sabrina tho. The problems with this episode are much deeper
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Katrin Bennhold -- "It's quite a contrast, isn't it? A perfect satirical snapshot of our very unequal society. Disadvantaged kids missing school because they're working, and more privileged kids missing school because of vacation."
Sarah Mervosh -- "That actually speaks to some of the other things about absenteeism where if you're a higher income student you're less likely to be academically affected because you're off getting an enriching experience when you're out of school, whereas lower income students it's more harmful for them to miss school because the things that they're missing for are not necessarily academic replacements."
It amazes how clueless people can be about the nonsense they spew. Rich kids going on vacation and missing classes is an "enriching [academic] experience" - so enriching that they can miss their Math, English and Science classes and still ace their tests...?
That's what I call a "satirical snapshot."
So you are objecting to . . . reality?
Yes, you've nailed it. Being prosperous is so advantageous that you can take your kids out of school whenever you feel like it, have them skip classes (and homework and tests, etc.), and they will still get A's.