Death Of Merit In Private Sector Next? : The Newshour Debate (9th Feb 2016)
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- TIMES NOW's Editor-in-Chief Arnab Goswami and panelists -- Pavan Verma, MP, Rajya Sabha, JD (U); Prof Kancha Illiah, Dalit Activist & Author; Shakeel-uz-Zaman Ansari, Member, National Commission for Backward Classes; Dr Ezhilan Naganathan, Founder, Youth.org; M R Venkatesh, CA & Policy Analyst; Parvez Damania, Businessman; Namrata Hegde, HR Professional; Jitendra Bhargava, Fmr Executive Director, Air India; and Abhay Aima, Market Analyst -- discuss government panel recommending 27 per cent reservation in private sector jobs for candidates belonging to Other Backward Classes (OBC), whether merit is not enough, and India Inc fighting death of merit in private sector, and whether this proposal would kill merit in the private sector.
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I live in Assam. A lot of people are SC/ST's here. And most of them have costlier cars than me. They spend money like anything. They do everything to flaunt their richness. If those people had used a little amount of their money to upbring their communities, 7 decades would have been enough. They themselves dont help each other, why should we care about them? The dalit netas and other kinds of netas should try to unify their communities instead of asking for expanded reservations.
Guys, 2020 should be the deadline. Its been enough!!
Why don't you use your money to bring out your community instead and stop pretending that all that you guys have is because of merit, it was reservations for you as well and even much more than us for like 2000 years.....ok....even ......
Hey bro, I am from 2021. Post The deadline you mentioned and here we have an increased 37% quota today for obc and ews today for medical entrance examination. tough times ahead.
How will it be if there is reservation in IPL:
- No bowler can bowl at a pace greater than 100 KMPH to a Batsman who belong to SC/ST/OBC
- If an SC/ST/OBC batsman takes one run, it should be counted as two runs
- Spinners should tell the SC/ST/OBC batsman where the ball will pitch and how it will turn
- no more than 6 fielders including the WK in the ground while SC/ST/OBC batting
- SC/ST/OBC people should be dismissed twice, not just once
- SC/ST/OBC person should be made captain atleast 50% of the time during every match
- Toss wont apply.
- Man of the match...yes you got it right!!!
vikramkumar14 haha
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vikramkumar14 our contries regressive condition is because of all upper cast and IPL is great example of it. Upper cast is responsible for big corruption.
U and all other who are majority are brainwashed idiots. South Africa has reservations in cricket. You will suffer your sins more by not letting those who suffered a lot to have a chance. Fuck you all for being so brainwashed after watching yourself not get that college seat. Forward castes got lot of lands eaeliwe which made them super rich and now lecturing . But ofc ur crimes won't ever be shown as you still control most. Shame on you all.
+Manoi Khobragade
how explain?
As an Indian citizen reservation is one of the things to be ashamed of!
Let me tell u a very interesting latest case
Cat 2015
Gen student 99.46 percentile no miss call from IIM A B or C
SC : 63 percentile call from IIM A
+Heet Thakkar you are so correct brother. Aum Shanti.
+ooheman das you are right
+Rohan Srivastav because there is a caste system
+Kevin Mathew So, if there is a caste system, the best way to eradicate is to make laws based on caste? Wow! No wonder you need quota. With that logic I doubt if you can even walk straight let alone get a job.
at 32: 50 pawaan verma says reservation should be there in IPL !!!hahahhahaha cant believe this crap
+stuart little What is there unbelievable. The ba$tard is a vote bank politician & he talks like one.
+Heet Thakkar totally agreed. Aum Shanti.
+Heet Thakkar very correct
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simple question : why does SONIA GANDHI go to USA for medical treatment and doesnt take treatment from SC,ST,OBC category doctors ?
+stuart little Good point. Let it be answered...
+Abdul Shukoor Yes they surely can I believe. Students can be and should be encouraged in sectors such as education, govt. job and finance too (which they already are). So why this crutch? Adding crutch proves their incapability when it comes to competition on merit. Only People with vested (chiefly political) interest can think of making not only them but this entire nation lame!! Accepted and agreed sir ??
+Abdul Shukoor Found one illiterate quota lover. Brahmins pay money because they know the importance of education and they don't get admission even after scoring more than 85%. These quota people are getting admission on 60 to 70% . I had many friends from quota illiterate cast who were not studying purposefully because they knew that they will get admission on basis of quota. Don't talk like nonsense in our country primary education is free and secondary to higher secondary education is available for very minimal fees but they don't want to study. 70 years se kherat pe jine ki aadat ho gayi hai aur khud ko brilliant batate ho...lol
+Abdul Shukoor lol .top ceos and doctors in USA are brahmin . and sc,st,obc and muslims also come through manageent quota. i have many top doctors in my family who r gold medalist . i dontt suport management or caste quota .
+Abdul Shukoor if u say teachers public sector sucks , i challenge u to prove 1 bad teacher of coaching classes in INDIA who is brahmin
I don't feel proud to be an Indian now. I worked too hard for getting admission in MBBS college but sad part I never got because I don't belong to a reserved category. This show that we general people don't even have the simple right of fulfilling our dreams no matter how hard we work for it. My deserving position was taken away by someone who had a boon of being reserved!
Shreya mago I guarantee you that you will be more successful in life than those who got it by charity.. Don't worry.. Nobody can take from us what we are destined to get...
Yes that is a serious peoblem for us
Parishram hi safalta deta hai. We will fight for our rights. We general category beleive in hard work. N hard work n true dedication leads to success
India will keep the reserved, USA will take the deserved. No problem for the talented folks.
Then get out of my country and go back to the land from where you had come from
@@shivrajsingh209 Truth hurts right. Mirchi lag gayegandme 😜😂
@@shivrajsingh209 , Sacchai hai yeh ... Mirchi toh lagni hai..
@@shivrajsingh209 we r Indians.
reservation reality
AAIMS rank NLSUI rank
OPEN 14000 59
RESERVED 84000 2349
then they will ask reservation for promotion
the best thing to do is run out of india
+stuart little That's what brilliant people are doing. "make in India" is bullshit with this kind of attitude.
+Heet Thakkar Seedhay point bol na bhai..
Lalu Yadav ko beech me kyun la raha hy.
As for affirmative action being legal in USA, the european invaders had to sign a treaty with native americans because of the genocide they commited.
Also USA is not a progressive country, its the least matured among all developed countries.
+Heet Thakkar well said
+Rajesh Raj Also doctors in top hospitals , scientists in NASA (>20%) , CEO of top companies , Silicon Valley's most important people. You want me to go on.... . Don't present the half truth.
Bhavneet Singh 38% of NASA regular employees r Indian and if u include the private contractors that number rose to 53% according to 2013 stats.
13% of all tech millionaires in USA r Indians with 10.2% graduating from an IIT.
seriously cant they just get a good job in private sectors themselves after getting equal education that they get through reservation already? if not then how are they gonna be helpful in anyway when they get job through reservation.
It's disgusting , such social injustice? Against general category !!
reservation must end for forever. Talent must get the job
Reservation is not good at all -
I belong to Scheduled Castes And I say that Reservation is not good at all. Only Intelligent and skilled people should deserve the jobs and opportunity.It doesn't matter which caste,city the come from. (Hindu,Muslims,Sikhs,Christians,Parsi)
+totto motto Please why don't educated and logical people like you come to open and take the leadership of your communities from these idiots who don't even have a single understanding of economics. They don't even understand that if this happens al MNCs will pull out and there will be more brain drain.
Reservations on caste basis in corporate sector? If such idea implicated India will not on economic world map.
Reseervations may not bring the backward forward, but it will definitely bring the country backward. Education and skill development should reach to the grass root levels and coporate through CSR should be a partner with it along the government and finally when it comes to job, it shall be purely on merit irrespective of caste or religion
Affirmative action for how long. 90% of Brahmins live below the poverty line, but they do not qualify for reservations
Just to inform you! A large chunk of those who live in those slums are from UR/OCs class. What's there fault for not getting reservation? If it is to be given to anyone then it should be based on his economic and sociological condition. It should not be on caste/creed or religion.
Private sector is not like the public sector. They prefer the deserved and not the reserved
many talented people are still unemployed nd quota people just ruin every govt sector....nw Dey r hell bend on destroying pvt sec
@dilraj meena So....u want reservation......Can't compete without that....
@@amandwivedi1732 😂😂
The govt sector has already been ruined. Let's ruin the privates too.
First give them reservation to study, then give them reservation in jobs. Even the scholarships are not based on merit. Pathetic. Are they incapable of everything?
I'm pretty sure, I'm not staying in India for long. Btw I last posted a comment on the previous debate on reservation. I cleared CAT, got a call from IIM A nd IIM S. Cleared CDSE too.
Agle janam mujhe Sc, St hi kijo :P
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reservation is really really great because its 2016 and still people gets reserved jobs despite of their low marks and person like me who belongs to General category Got 80% marks in engineering forced to took bank loan then go to abroad studied in abroad because foreign college did not ask me for my category status and give me scholarship on the basis of my marks. people like me who wants to serve the nation are sitting abroad paying back their bank loans so that we can come back to our motherland and on the other Hand students of JNU who are traitors are studying on tax payers money and sitting in India.
that's the outcome of reservation....if you feed those who do not deserve then they start feeling that it's their right to feed themselves free of cost....they start feeling that it's their legal right to not work hard and studied hard because they are going to get jobs cos of this quota....
and people like now start saving money so that I can take out brothers so that at least they can study in an open environment as well.....but don't you worry quota's people we will come back with alot alot of money and will utilise to end this caste reservation shit.
It is 1000% true that upper caste Hindus have monopoly on merit and skills and today the entire world recognises it. Even NASA is unable to do anything without upper caste Hindus. Brahmins, Khastriyas and Vaishyas have been the pioneers but dalits of the past like Valmiki and others have also done well but that is rare.
Haha ...Such stupidty....Rishi Valimiki of the past was Brahmin (become a brahmin).
People who want reservations in private companies should set up, start their own companies and hire whoever they want. They can not tell Infosys, Reliance, Tatas, Birlas whom it can hire.
Really, I don't want reservation. We just need to promote skill.
if we want to turn our country into third class world then pvt sector reservations is the single step. Reservations ruined every govt sector, now they are planning to do the same in pvt sector. Job reservations means, asking for a job which you does not deserve. How can govt decides who should work in someone's private? in future these shameless political leaders may demand who should work in even in whole sale shops, home maids, drivers, etc. Giving reservations in education is accepted but I don't understand why people are not getting good marks when they study in the same college or university with OCs ..who is stopping them? If the OC and BC/SC/ST both get same marks they can give that job to backward classes.. but if u give doctor, engineer, etc jobs to 35 marks guy when guys with 90% marks are still in roads, what kind of society these politicians is going to create
+satti pandu They have already created a society where talented people like Lakshmi Mittal are sensible enough to leave the shores & the patriotic ones belonging to the upper castes are struggling against the odds & swimming against the tide. "Make in India" ! My foot.
+satti pandu are you kiding me the caste system which turns people into slaves
Kevin Mathew We want to eliminate the caste system by getting rid of it in application forms.
+Latha Baradwaj , how about eliminating by eliminating the caste itself??
+satti pandureservation is for acheiving caste equality....ie. to became all type of people to became equal..... quota should be there till the wedding advertisement with no caste preferences at all....
Pawan Verma.... ur intellectual bankruptcy stands exposed today
+Heet Thakkar LMFAO
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Government jobs for general category students have become a mere miracle to pull off. I was taken in to low profile college even though my grades were far better than my friend, Just because I'm not from Backward caste. And to say I am financially weaker than him. Like me many others' opportunities are being given away in the name of reservation.
Corporate jobs have become very crucial for General Students, and now Some Stupid Bureaucrats wants to give reservation for the sake of ballot is a shame.
More students , like me flew to other countries, not because we are afraid of competition but being judged partially and on caste...
This shit should stop somewhere......
Jai ho ....
Ohh poor fellow so much horror and wounds inflicted on you....
May god bless you
Only two simple solutions to these problems:-
1) Make all educational institutions under government.
or
2)Pass law that prohibits politicians from running/owning/investing any king of educational institution.
Reservation , the root of all problems in India.
Naganathan has shown his petty mind. After 1990 MNCs started coming in India. Private Sector was already in India.But I do not know how the sharp mind of Arnab forgot to mention MNCs. I know Arnab can hear from eyes and see through ears but I appreciate his competence. Good debate. But one thing is clear, this quota system will one day break the nation and it will stop here. Therefore, it is necessary to open reservation for all on the basis of poverty and those sc/sts who have achieved the level of comfort should not be given any reservation and because them the benefits of reservations are not percolating/ penetrating the lower level. I was in Haryana and while passing through the town of Jind I saw a camp of Mahadalits sitting on dharna for reservation. On contacting they said that the upper caste dalits have usurped their share of jobs and a few families are monopolizing it.
I don't know if nag Nathan really got his doctorate thru real merit or just like that thru reservation.
+Sameer Siddhanti
Merit se to woh apni pichaaadi bhi nahi saaf kar paata.
Arnab , In month of Nov 2015 I wrote letter to PM Modi and received satisfactory response on Jan 2015, that the suggestions made will certainly be considered for Central Services, then on State. But shocked to see this new U turn of political parties to 1991 agenda for looking QUOTA in private sectors, Already they have successfully paralyzed Govt sectors , Now have eye on private sector too, to destroy the INDIA's image , created and achieved by Private Sector by hard work and burning the midnight oil.
It is 1000% true that persons from SC/CT do not have merit and are a burden on the institution that employees them. In addition to that you cannot even transfer them as they go to SC Commission saying that they are being harassed.
Bjp needs to come forward and declare that they are against reservation and they need to do it fast.
Are you kidding?? This will lead real talent evacuate the country.. scary!!
I think reservation should not be allowed in private sectors. I have seen some of the reservation based students who are economically strong and students from open category who belongs to economically backward class. Here is the inequality. Reservation should be based on economy and not on caste. But will this happen?
Sir, I will have my company in USA, not in India if this reservation which already killed my education.
Kancha Iilaya is from the 60's era and when there were very less educated people. But today we all have so many platforms to come up on our own. The path to success is in your own hands and not on reservation. So a logical question is - When we hire a servant do you hire the servant based on his/her caste or creed no you hire the servant for the skill it brings. Its a very logical question and you know what the answer is.
After these arguments for Quota system I am ashamed to be a part of thi sort of a democracy!!! Shame on low level politics!!!
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उदाहरण :- *जापान*
किसी देश का विनाश हजारो सालो के अत्याचार से संभंव नही है.
उदाहरण :- *इजरायल*
*अगर विनाश करना है तो देश मे आरक्षण लागु कर दो ताकी अयोग्य लोग उच्च पदो पर बैठ जाए,*
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Vishal Uniyal tumhari merti bahut thi before 1947 saalo dalal brahman hindua
Bheek meine
Milne wala reservation
Very good
ANIL KUMAR This is 2018 not 1947 lower cast son of a bitch!
+Manoi Khobragade
u r social stigma
.... I think u don't know about mangal pandey
sir vidyasagar
rabindranath tagore
etc.
were they so much rich ... no
gareebi me jee rhe the
ye brahmin
lekin apni kaabiliyat se upar uthe hai aur aisa uthe hai ki tum jaise log dekhte reh gye
Why didn't you insist that Pavan Verma answer the question posed by the viewer, "Will he employ a driver purely on caste undermining his merit ?" You let him off the hook very easily while he was filibustering talking all garbage avoiding a straight answer. The viewers wanted a straightforward answer from him.
Reservation should be a tool to provide equal Opportunities to all, not a Weapon to avenge the past Pre-independence Wrongdoings, as some still believe!!
There happened a great event in 1947 , The Independence of India, which was supposed to eradicate all such inequalities!!
Best comment ever
Why don't they ask reservation in Military??
I give you a live example of what reservation has done till now. So, I've seen this guy who belongs to a reserved community and his family condition is well off. Both his parents have good Govt. Jobs. No less of resources, books and stuff. Still he got everything at a subsidized price and easy work. The same subsidy could have been given to a needy BPL family(can be from any, UR/SC/ST/OBC). Thanks to caste based reservation that's not happening.
So, He got admission to the same NIT that I studied after scoring less than half the marks, I did. Next what he did was 'aayashi'. Govt used to pay a hefty stipend for being person from a reserved category and he used it to do "sutta", "roaming on bike" etc etc At the end it was the placements which was on merit not reservation. So, he got kicked out! life spoilt! :p
Moral of the story: Give reservation to the needy i.e. poor people of the country. Who feel a daily scarce of resources. Jiske paas hai use dogey toh wo uska mazaak udayega
The question Ms.Rajyalakshmi was asking is whether you would employ a driver on caste basis and not on merit basis. I think Netas didn't respond to it swiftly. They started arguing that reservation candidates should be given opportunity, and forward castes only enjoying opportunities...! But, look at it on vice versa view! If a forward caste driver is not good in driving, still he is giving employment? he is not forced to do so right? This is what we actually wanted. Employ them on merit basis. If a person after getting /not getting reservations in education can not be lifted to benchmark level, wherein he is not eligible for a job, there is no point in employing them.
Pavan Verma says that SC OBC etc should be given opportunity because they are legging behind???? After 70 years of giving opportunities, they are still legging behind???? Let me tell you why? Because they are sooo relaxed that all they need is 33% marks and will beat a 90% marks holder because they will get job under quotas. Shame on you Pavan. If a father gets a job under quota and it should be stooped right there because now it is a father s responsibility to provide opportunities to his children. Here in India for the sake of politics. generation after generation are milking indina constitution.
why there is no reservations in DEFENCE ?????
😂😂 if it is also added then it will be chapter close situation of india
As an Indian I am ashamed of caste based reservations. We don't have caste to love, to marry, to have sex, but, we have it to live. Is this fair? Why are we making this a merit less country. By changing the definition of equality, we are making BR Ambedkar look like a bigot.
the father of Singapore Lee Kwan Yew stressed on one word all the way along: "Meritocracy" irrespective of race, creed & gender. Needless to say what meritocracy can achieve.
reservation must be on basis of economic week peoples not to backward caste.....then india can develope.
and one question people say never judge a people with his/her caste then why this caste system exist........if someone unfortunately tell something to this so called backwards then they shouted people of india divided them ...but when they enjoyed this reservations then they quite......incredible india.......if this backwards want respect then they must be leave this reservation .....
Enough of being against reservation . A survey by the National Sample Survey Organisation (NSSO) put the OBC population in the country at 40.94%, the SC population at 19.59%, ST population at 8.63% and the rest at 30.80%. So, We general are now minority in our country . We should ask for General quota . We generals are the real dalits for over 3 generations now . Whoever (POLITICAL PARTY) will support us , we should vote for them .
Its high time that India put an end to reservation system. I think reservation should be given on the basis of economic condition. Because today I see SC mostly ST people living a life of luxury. They are doing great while others are not. This has to stop. And one thing I have noticed is that people are misusing this priviledged quotas. SC/ST are meant for people who were exploited in the early days of India's integration like dalits,harijans,etc but I see people who were never exploited enjoying this quotas.
Simple suggestion to all upper caste Hindus (especially brahmins). There is no Bharat Mata for you.
Toil, struggle do anything, do what ever it takes, educate your kids and send them out of this country.
There is nothing here for u. Although you would be down to basics but Indians will always make fun of you.
You may be struggling to make ends meet, that doesn't matter, just get your kids educated and send your kids our of this country.
And don't hide your struggles from them, teach them how this country is treating you. Let them remember for generations about this struggle and never cry for this country ever.
I regret everyday that i came back to India.
+Vikas Sharma Why would you say that ? Why are you so negative ? I am a gen caste person too and could have gone abroad easily but I am here beause I love my motherland. You have only one mother. You just can't run away from it.
Shalabh Tayal bro at times like these patriotism isnt going to feed the stomachs of our family
Vikas Sharma you make me aware, you are right bro help each other to grow
Arnab's argument is fallacious -"if you have merit you will rise"! Seriously does anyone think a slum dweller has any chance of developing "merit" without state and societal support? Arnab I seriously wish you had me on the panel. I'd have given you a few words of wisdom!
+Raghuvansh Rai So what you want from govt's reservation system is to hand a job/education in a silver plate for the slum dweller instead of making him work or putting some effort for it and make him more lazy in future ? If the slum dweller is really good , he will find a way to fund his education through scholarships, sponsors etc. and would never need any support from govt. Govt has been encouraging laziness in the society through reservation quota, what it should actually be doing is provide public schools/colleges with low cost education for such low economic families and strong discrimination laws. Nothing comes for free, you should earn it .........
+ROBIN SINGH You are indirectly saying reservations are right.
The answer to your question is Yes
+Raghuvansh Rai Just to inform you! A large chunk of those who live in those slums are from UR/OCs class. What's there fault for not getting reservation? If it is to be given to anyone then it should be based on his economic and sociological condition. It should not be on caste/creed or religion.
they do.A lots of slum dwellers get in universities.Education in public school is free.Child labour is banned.You just have to work hard.
Already we have come to a ridiculous situation by periodic extension of Reservation after so many years of independence. In India ,Political parties actually don't want SKILLED and MERITORIOUS workforce because they shamelessly want to perpetuate their nasty political drama without being questioned. In the name of reservation ,they have already broken the backbone of some strata of society. Request to Mr Arnab G to establish a public opinion base on the matter.
Aum Shanti.
after snatching my education you want my job. remember one thing, stop surpressing me. I have come way ahead and shared my bread with you and considered marrying off with you but don't push me to turn the clock back and make me address you by your caste rather than by your first name......
Indians should worry more about how to sustain their economy long term (which our ancestors did for thousands of years with flexible jati system and less exploitation of mother earth) especially due to fast depletion of non renewable energy. Nothing can replace non-renewable energy fully. Obviously we cannot blindly ape the past western models of economy. With huge increase in population, there is NO place for greed anymore. If everybody leads a simple life, SC/STs wouldn't see any discrimination. We should not blindly ape one dimensional material (hedonist) philosophy (creation of zionist bankers). MG said it beautifully "This world has enough for everyone's need NOT greed"
I am glad politicians brought this issue, now it's time to evaluate how dangerous this quota system has become, and it time to cut it down. #protectmerit
LOL
I am still wrapping my head around, his proposal for reservation in IPL and Indian cricket team. LOL
we need to understand that Jobs, unlike education, should be purely based on merit and if reservation exists, it should be on the basis of economic category. why will creamy layer dalits enjoy Class 1 jobs with 40 marks whereas Generals would need atlest 90 and even then there is no guarantee- what is going on? in the name of equality, we are creating more inequality. and to all Dalits I want to say stop spewing hatred against brahmins, you are in the 21st century, majority brahmins do not care whether the person beside them in trains or buses is a dalit or not. I am also a brahmin and I do not have prejudices on dalits.
sahi bole hai
dr. babasaheb ambedkar told "study , unit and fight" however except study all backward caste people only fight but they do not study that is the reason there was no one more Mr. Ambedkar right now or in future ........and always they play lower and cheap backward caste card...
+amol palkar "study, unite, and agitation", this is a spiral process, not a linear.
All those shouting for reservation should have their own little country and power to run it. Let's see what happens. I'm sorry, OBCs and SCs and STs and other castes will not be able to run it even for a day.
+Keya Chatterji
It can be called Backwardistan, and will have a similar fate as of Pakistan,
that first caller nailed it!!!
It's a shame that these people think people can't get into private sector without quotas just on the basis merit. That's one thing only politicians will benefit from and not poor people of India and definitely not the country. Another thing is that it's an insult to people to call them backward caste. A caste can never be backward and the person who calls a caste backward is in fact truly backward and India will be better off if such people do not get elected. I can understand people who are poor getting some kind of quotas on the basis of their financial situation as they're ones who sincerely need help. That too should be limited to education. That will truly level the playing field in the long run. These politicians who call for such quotas aren't interested in the development of India or the uplift-ment of the people who they claim to represent. I think the people should understand that and largely the people do.
Okay then.. All general quota guys will leave the nation one by one.. Then India will be standing ashamed of in front of the world.. These freaking castesim guys need opportunities even for their next gen heirs.. And even want them to enjoy the ease in getting a job in this nation.. Wow.. India a country of inequality
stop appeasement of undeserved...........#protect merit
i know one country that abolished qoutas in 2006 i.e. pakistan.
I have the most wonderful way to finish the reservation. Since thousands of years Brahmins deprived the sc / st / obc (Bahujans) from education, basic services, right to property.Now Brahmins and upper cast members should be deprived of education for the next 20 years. 20 years is not much compared to the year 3000. For next 20 years, If any violats this rule then there should be implementation of punishment of 100 lashes.And 20 Years later No reservation should be given on any basis. Share if you agree.
no because, it was lower caste's fault for 3000 yrs to be weak and not get anything even after being in the majority and that won't happen and even if you do that, your little lower castes won't give up reservation.
it should be made compulsory for the netas to have all the staff at their pvt businesses from sc /st and they and their relatives should only get treated by sc/st doctors!
I am from OBC Class but I am against Reservation system
Reservation is increasing the caste issues in India. People deserving who don't get opportunity because of reservation end up having issues(hate in some cases) people from those caste because of this reason. If they are sincere then they should focus there work on education and skill development. Else there is only one conclusion to this that like most of the things in our country it is there cheap vote bank politics. I also want to highlight one personal point. I am from one of the prestigious institute of this country and If they get reservation now and then reservation for promotion in private sector then I would want to move to a fair and just opportunity country because I can see the no matter how hard a person works finally it will be my surname that will determine my success. Then don't cry of brain drain and say why good engineers/doctors don't want to work in India. Mr Politician wake up .. brain drain will be because of ur cheap vote bank politics. #DeathOfMerit #DeathOfConstitution #DeathOfDemocracy (Because this is against the ethos of constitution in its true sprite like Dr Ambedker wanted it to be) . And Mr Verma, Lalu is the pioneer of cast and corruption politics in India .. I think Nitish is in bed with wrong wolf. If you really want to become a national party and a true national opposition then get ur act together .. people are not this illetrate and ignorant everywhere in India.
Hats off Arnab for taking on these hypocrites. This is the reason the richest Indian Lakshmy Mittal is not 'making anything in India'. Sensible chap. No use of screaming, 'make in India'. As long as the shameful column, "Specify your caste' remains in any form, I'd hope that no Indian pours his hard earned dollars here & spoil his life. I wouldn't advise anybody to make in India. I know I'll get all sorts of abuses for this comment of mine. But I don't care.
You studied till class -12 , you are still not empowered enough to qualify for engineering . You studied your bachealors and masters , yet you are not empowered to compete with generals in jobs . So you need reservation in JOBS . You get a job based on your caste , you are still not empowered enough to compete for promotion . So again you need reservation. Some day i guess there will be reservation in bollywood also . People would say that 51% of BollyWood actor should marry someone of backward caste ,,,,, They have to stay with them and they cannot give divorce . If they do so a case would be booked under SC\ST act
😂😂😂😂kya bola hai bhai
Rohit Vemula bada hota, to ekdum Naganathan jaisa hota... 😂
+hsr139 We don't want another Naganathan. One is enough.
+hsr139 Very racist comment. Vemula was a very talented person, had a great future. Respect the God in every person.
+Latha Baradwaj Violence of any kind is abhorrent whether in thought, word or deed. Violence begets violence.
Nafisa Sukhla Don't advise me. This is just like advising the soldier to practise peace. Violence is necessary to eliminate violence. Peace will not get you anywhere with violence. Can you fight empty handed with a person who has weapon ? In that case come & advise us.
+Latha Baradwaj Who am I to advise anyone? Just expressed my own views. To each his/her own.
Insan ki unnati tapashya aur parishram se hoti hai. Aur jab khane ko bhik phokat me mil jaye to admi tapashya nahi aram karta hai. Aur aaram karke unnti nahin durgati hoti hai. Agar 1000 saal bhi reservation dedo kuch hone wala nahin hai.
Soo you are saying 92% general student will make company Shameless and 63% ST ,SC will glow the company????????????
Shit Quato in India...We should be ashamed of this....
This is BJP's plan to remove reservation from government sector as well. Implementing reservation in private sector will cause massive opposition and will show reservation as undoubtedly absurd, which is not so in the government sector. The government is simply attempting to make a public opinion against reservation by implying it in wrong/unnecessary places.
+nomesh yadu
Of course it is the BJP who's doing it, not the UPA allies who were proposing it in the debate. You're a fucking moron.
Khane peene aur rehne pe bhi reservation laga do. Lol!!!
Voh bhi jald aa jayega 🤣🤣🤣
ab bollywood me reservation hoga
What About The Average Upper Caste Students like me ??
We either cant get more than 80% neither we cant get through a neck and neck competition in Govt Exams.
The last resort we have is a
private job & if that also gets snatched by netas.
Then What would we do ???
Where would we go ??
+Sumit Sharma
Then you can become a 'traitor' which is what they call the above average intelligent students/ professionals who have to leave India, because of no opportunities.
Best of luck mate.
Never allow these bloody castiests to promulgate quota in Pvt sector
Let these politicos put reservation in armed forces as well and in cricket also .. let these politicians fly only with pilots from reservation category , be guarded by commandos coming from reservation category
that will teach them
What about Reference culture in private sector ,then talk about reservations ,those who have high profile contacts have the advantage because private sector is in the grip of elite communities
+Madhu Sudhan What's your point? And what reference culture?
+Madhu Sudhan which world r u living in ?
+sumit mahajan he is talking about job references in big MNCs.Usually in top companies many get job only through good references..that is TRUE
Even you can't get internship in big accounting firms without references
Ashish Shetty I guess you are right, i did a little research.
But this reservation system has gone out of hand and this is way worse in public sector. And it's still not a valid point, private business owner have right to choose who works for them on basis of merit.
Ashish Shetty what do u mean referrences ? references from your college HOD and principal not from some relatives .which world r u in ?
Please speak on the debate regarding creamy layer for SC/ST. People should be given reservation based on parents annual income who ever he/she is...
Candidate A - Father works in ONGC , mother Govt School. Financially strong
Get into IIT via Quota, then applies for IIM and gets via Quota
Now he has two options - Govt job which can be easily achievable because he has Quota
Private job - Which he can get because he has an IIT and IIM degree
Candidate A still fails to get a pvt job via Merit and hence he needs Quota again for that job.
Question is inspite of getting higher degrees why he failed to get a private job? Quota is given in higher degrees so that you can get a private job? If you need quota for private job AS YOU ARE UNABLE TO GET THE JOB ON MERIT then it is CLEAR THAT YOU ARE NOT WORTHY BY MERIT FOR THAT DEGREE COLLEGE WHICH YOU GOT ADMISSION IN THE FIRST PLACE. No private companies hire candidates because they are Brahmin, but these people want private companies to higher people because they are SC or ST... Have some shame atleast
zulu cement there is a need to scrap reservation atleast in institutions like iit and iim
cut india in 2 pieces and give us 1 part for general casts
general people are just 30% of population so u can take 30% of India
but maximum money and tax payers , soldiers at border , scientists .... even everybody due to whom country is still standing r general casts......we hardworks and pays tax due to which sc-st or obc enjoys their reservation-subcidy-and free scholarship
This Dr. Nagaanathan behaves like CR. Kesavan!!! No fact only vocal force. Aum shanti
+Heet Thakkar lolz
+Tilottama Chakrabarti reservation is for acheiving caste equality....ie. to became all type of people to became equal..... quota should be there till the wedding advertisement with no caste preferences at all....
If this comes into action I will leave India and so will the Deserved people and all India will be left with are Reserved. There is a reason why silicon valley has most Indians and are not in India.
I cant believe that this even being debated. Ridiculous.
i am for merit. Aranb ji you took the correct position..
I am tired of speaking against Reservation . May be now we and youngsters which aspire to get into job market need to apply for jobs outside country . First the system made it difficult for general category to get in government sector now the Private sector is the next sector . I doubt will Private sector prospect in India , I guess they too will wind up their business and go out of country .
😂😂😂hamare desh ka kya hoga
+Wajahat Khan Jo hoga manjure khuda hoga
kuntal panda our future is bleak even i hav applied for jobs outside of our country lets hope fr the best bro
they want reservations for next 1000 years.
The people who promote Reservations are the ones whose children have got benefit from reservations. The same people do not want to give up after having moved up in society both financially and educationally. They are against economic criteria, why? All reservations should be on economic criteria and reservations should mainly for education.
RESERVATION MEANS CASTISM AGAINST GENERAL PEOPLE
There is "No Reservation in Olympic's participation" . So How many medals India got ?? Becoz there is No OBC/SC/ST in stopping u from getting that and so called Merit prevails there..Medals tally????
PRAKASH RAJ so if reservation is given in olympics .. do you gaurantre you guys will get medals? and first of all olympians which are considered and have trials have sc's st's in them aswell.. if general beats them he goes for olympics coz he or she is better and vice a versa
I hope u not understood my question well. Read and try to find answer, u will get the analogy of them.
What a fucking stupid analogy. And similarly, "no reservation in bollywood" so how many oscars did India get? Omg.... this is so damn lame.
Analogy is right but the fuck is in ur understanding of the question.
Bollywood and Hollywood from "Budget to Technical advancement have a huge gap. So Indian cinema cant expect any Oscars and forget about even competing.
There is huge gap between India's support and aid to its Sports and what countries like USA, Russia, China etc are doing...
SO STATE/NATION NEED TO DO SOME ACTION TO BRING JUSTICE IN EVERY SPHERE
There is term known as "Social injustice" and go through it and u can understand what is "Affirmative action and the need of Reservation"
NB: Read John Rawls "Theory of Justice" to understand the need of State's action to uplift deprived class by doing Social justice.
PRAKASH RAJ PRAKASH RAJ So, when there is a huge gap, what the fuck that has to do with reservations. India is not going to perform well either in Olympics or for that matter at Oscars mostly due to the aforementioned reasons by you. Now, if you want to talk about social justice, that's a different issue altogether and has nothing to do with your "ingenious" analogy.
Give these section of people reservation to get admissions in schools, colleges, to get gov jobs, help them to start business, get loans, get married and make babies...what more can be done ? any ideas ??
WHEN I WAS IN SCHOOL, MY NEIGHBORS SON, BRAHMIN BY CAST, WAS A TOP STUDENT IN SCHOOL WITH 90+% MARKS EACH YEAR. HIS FAMILY WAS SO POOR THAT HE USED TO TUTOR ME MATH TO HELP HIS FAMILY. TODAY HE IS BUS CONDUCTOR IN HIMACHAL ROADWAYS BUS SERVICES. HE COULD NOT GO TO COLLEGE. HIS DREAM WAS TO BE A MATH TEACHER IN A GOVT COLLEGE.
NOW I USED TO VOLUNTEER. TO TEACH THE KIDS OF OUR DOMESTIC HELP. THE BOTH KUDS BELONGED TO SC. THEY WERE NIT INTERSTED IN STUDIES BUT WERE HAPPY TO GET 50% MARKS AFTER ALL THE HARD WILL WILL PUT INTO HELPING THEM. TODAY ONE IS A OFFICER IN BANK AND TGE OTHER IS A POLITICAL LEADER. YOU NEED APPOINTMENT TO SEE HIM. ALL MAGIC IF QUOTAS.
THANK YOU ARNAV. YOU ARE THE BEST.
Reservation is a birth right but reservation in private sector is asking too much. People should be questioning the education system not fiddling with the private sector. Reservation for first 22 years is an excellent idea but asking reservation for life time is ridiculus
First preference can be given to SC/ST based on skills rather than quotas in the private sector.
+kashsoldier Good idea. After all SC/ST don't have sugar daddies to fight their cause.
Yes it can be if they better than other but first poor SC ST, WOMEN Orfans sports persons
Reservation on food:
General ko.sirf dal rice milega aur reserved ko biryani with extra money
Reservation on marraige:
General to kuware hi reh jayenge
Reservation on travel
SC/ST in aeroplane for free
General in sleeper class
Reservation in bollywood:
😑😑😑
And process continues ........
Dr Naganathan taken the reserved seat in medical college for his upliftment in society.
but he may take a reserved seat for his son/daughter to uplift his already rich/prosperous family.
The unreserved people have a problem right there.
After being in this country for 21 years till birth .. and my friend a sc gets admission in a good college even after his father incom is double what my father is getting and had a rank difference of 8 lack approx.. i feel like this country as a general student will never accept me ... i have no option but to look out side this country for opportunity .. when in my own country after working hard i do not get what i want or even being better in something dose not get you what you want ..... it is better to utilize my work on something productive at least outside i will get some recognition