OH NO! Enid and Wednesday are fighting 😢FYI for copyright purposes we have to cut out a lot of our scenes/commentary. If there is something missing from this episode that you'd like me to comment on let me know and I'll try and answer it in the comments. Thank you for being here! 🖤 👇
Do you think Wednesday was embarrassed about having a vision in front of her friends. I wonder how the friends responded to her collapsing. Maybe Wednesday felt vulnerable and exposed.
I said this on another video but I don't konw if you saw it, I'd really like an "enid special" when you're finished with this series, her character is deserving of an entire episode dedicated to breaking down her scenes and her psychology in depth. Her character is just as good as wednesdays, and they're as much costars as can be made humanly possible in a show where only one of them has the show named after them. Fantastic character development all around, but enid and wednesday are absolute character perfection.
i think wednesday needed enid to yell at her and leave. it finally made wednesday realize how much she actually cares for enid and now she can actually make steps to appreciating enids friendship more
Enid making snoods for Wednesday and herself in their colors is very cute and so wholesome. "We can wear them to CLASS! 😃" 🤣🤣🤣 I really felt for how angry she got at Wednesday for exploiting her trust, and appreciate that she expressed this to Wednesday directly.
wednesday needed to hear it directly to understand, even, if she needed time to process what enid said... and as wednesday said "for the first time being alone did not feel right" she did miss her and knew she fxxed up. but shedid not know that feeling of missing someone until this moment....
If you film them separately, you'll be able to put up twice as much content, but more importantly, you'll have the time for a more in-depth analysis of both episodes.
When Xavier explained his painting of Wednesday, she left without a word leaving him visibly frustrated. This seems to be a recurring theme for Wednesday as dealing with others emotions seems to make her very uncomfortable. ( She went into hiding after winning the Poe Cup ) In a way she handled it like Enid's mother did the previous episode. Faced with a situation she wasn't prepared to handle she just walked away.
4:50 When Bianca said she was trying not to become her mother, I was surprised you didn't bring up that Wednesday felt the same way about her mom too...even if it was for different reasons.
I think that learning Tyler was an abusive bully to Xavier also had something to do with why Wednesday was ghosting Tyler. She tried not to care, but it seemed like it affected her opinion of him. Several guys ganging up on Xavier is very much like what happened to Pugsley in episode one.
Honestly I'm not to sure that tracks. Everything in this show quite frankly paints the picture that Wednesday really doesn't care about Xavier that much or at least less so than Enid Eugene Tyler and possibly even Bianca. The 2 outliers that I could see someone thinking means she actually considers him a friend are easily explained if she simply considers him an ally (almost friends). Her taking the arrow for him is far from life threatening to her and her last conversation with him made her feel guilty and ashamed so seeing him come back her up is probably making her see him differently plus Wednesday both has a transactional worldview as well as a deeply ingrained sense of loyalty. The other outlier being the acceptance of his gift which could be seen as logical since it allows Wednesday to communicate with her two favorite people (Enid and Eugene) in a way they're more comfortable with plus since Wednesday has treated Xavier like an annoying pest for the whole show this could be her attempting to mend bridges. Plus she literally said she wouldn't judge Tyler for his past and basically showed her complete and utter disinterest in Xavier and his feelings by calling it a prank.
Thanks for the reply! Preemptive apologies for the length of my reply (I'm just very passionate about this show - you don't have to read all of this, I just want my thoughts out in the ether) First, let me state that I don't think that at any point Wednesday liked Xavier as much as he liked her - but I do think she was interested in him as a person. I think there's a sort of arc happening regarding Wednesday's interest in Xavier. First, she's too cool to care about Nevermore's tortured artist. Then her interest in him starts budding, at least until she suspects him of being the monster, and that's when she starts treating him like a "pest" (but remember, she's very short and snarky even with Enid). Since I'm not sure how to prove my point without listing examples, so here's a short list detailing Wednesday's interest in Xavier: • The way Wednesday tilts her head as Xavier animates his spider drawing • Upon sneaking into Xavier's room to find Rowan's book, she immediately goes to Xavier's sketchbook instead • When Wednesday notices Xavier sulking in Jericho, she changes directions to approach and ask what he's doing • When Xavier shows up at the meeting house, she freely divulges information and theories • Upon swiping some his drawings, she says to herself, "Xavier, you just became that much more interesting" (which implies she found him interesting at least to some degree) • Wednesday stares at the black dress at Uriah's Heap. Some part of her likes the idea of going to the dance (arguably with Xavier) • When she admits to Tyler that she asked Xavier to the dance as an act of "self preservation", even he doesn't buy it, saying: "Sure, that happens, I guess..." (because seriously, she could've said a number of different things to Xavier and not "have" to ask him to the dance) And yes! Wednesday told Tyler that she wouldn't judge him for the prank, or that she would've taken it further... but the next time she sees him, Tyler says she's been ghosting him "ever since the dance" - you know, ever since she learned he was a bully. To me, this is telling. Gomez also says something to Sherif Galpin like, "Your son must be a good egg - Wednesday wouldn't settle for anything less", which is also pretty telling. Even before his Hyde was unlocked - Tyler was not a good egg. If Wednesday hadn't wrongly judged Xavier as an "elitist snob", his warnings about Tyler might not have been lost on her. As for the arrow Wednesday took for Xavier, I would argue that there was no way she could've known it wouldn't be a critical hit. I don't think her intention was romantic, or out of guilt - I think she cares about him as a friend. Xavier showing up with his bow showed that despite all Wednesday has done (to him, or others), she is still worthy of forgiveness (though, I personally believe the writers were intentionally paralleling Gomez taking the fall for Morticia). But really, why would the writers bother putting Xavier into that scene? Each scene in a show or movie is meticulously planned out, with purpose, and anything unnecessary is cut in writing or editing, so his presence in that scene was important, somehow. By the end of the show, I don't think Wednesday would accept a gift she didn't want from someone she didn't like - not even if it was purely logical to do so - for me, that sort of discounts all the growth she's done throughout the season. While Wednesday's relationships are "transactional" to begin with, I think the entire point of the show is three-fold: for Wednesday to form those transformative relationships, to realize that her instincts and judgments aren't always correct, and that emotion and friendships are strengths, not weaknesses. Lastly, despite what another commenter assumed, I'm not a "rabid fangirl" for Xavier. I'm an aspiring writer, so I completely pick apart and study every aspect of any book, series, or movie that captivates me, such as Wednesday. I grew up with Christina Ricci's depiction of Wednesday, so if I'm a "rabid fangirl" of anything, it's Wednesday. I just think most people have totally got Xavier's character wrong based on Wednesday's first impression of him, so that's why I'm sticking up for him so much.
@@daisyvision ok so while there's a lot of things on your list that I think are wrong I'm only going to mention a few. one I find most strange is the idea that Wednesday was avoiding Tyler because of Xavier. Eugene literally gets hurt and almost killed because she decided to go to the dance with Tyler instead- She's avoiding Tyler because she thinks it's for the best as the last time she allowed herself to be distracted by Tyler one of her few friends got hurt not because of Xavier. Wednesday stares at the black dress because she likes it. That's it. The reason she thinks asking Xavier is an act of self-preservation is because she thinks he's the culprit. This is also why she says "more interesting" as you said- because he's roommates with Rowan and a suspect to her. Also she literally smashed the spider immediately and denied his attempt to impress her which lead to him being dejected and to the class laughing at him. Wednesday taking the phone because she wants to be nice or accommodating to someone else(especially someone she's hurt) is definitely character development so Idk what your talking about. this was technically more than a few😐
@@calvintyler9281 I didn't mean to imply Wednesday was avoiding Tyler because of Xavier, but because she learned (from Xavier) that Tyler is a bully and gangs up on kids to beat them up - again, much like what happened to her brother Pugsley and to Eugene. Xavier is just the bearer of bad news. I don't personally think she'd hold Eugene getting hurt during the dance against Tyler, as he didn't know he was "ruining" any plans, I think it's a mixture of both. Wednesday would be disappointed to hear this news about anyone, regardless of who they were beating up. But why would the writers choose to make Tyler a bully who gangs up on other kids, if not to parallel what happened to Pugsley or Eugene? He could've done anything to Xavier, stole his girlfriend, or even just ruined his mural without beating him up, but the writers knew it had to be something that would give us a hint as to who the real monster was, and to Wednesday, monstrous behavior is bullying. Again, the writing is way too intentional to include a scene in which Wednesday likes a dress and that's it. I was arguing that she was excited to go to the dance, imagining wearing that dress in particular. At the time, she was still going with Xavier, so I put in parentheses "arguably excited to go with Xavier". Xavier could have nothing to do with that desire to go, other than just being convenient. As for her act of self preservation, when Xavier confronted her, asking, "What are you doing here?" She could have said anything! "I followed you out here because you were acting strange" or "I didn't know there were woods over here" then that's that. She could've steered the direction of the conversation anywhere else at any time. And Wednesday isn't a girl who does things she doesn't want to do. On some level, perhaps subconscious, she wanted to go to that dance. Same as when Tyler showed up at her door ready to take her. She could've said the note wasn't from her, that Thing did it, and she had plans. But she didn't. Because she wanted to go to the dance. I don't disagree with why you say Wednesday found Xavier interesting (because he's Rowan's roommate/her suspect). I was only arguing that she DID find him interesting, as your original comment implied she did not. Yes, Wednesday smashed the spider after Xavier said, "admit it, you're a little impressed". She doesn't like that he's being cocky. But the head tilt and her going through the sketchbook in his room implies that she found his artwork or his power interesting. If it wasn't interesting at all, why watch as he animated it? She could've looked anywhere else, or looked away if it wasn't interesting in the slightest. I personally disagree that Wednesday would do anything just to be nice or accommodating, least of all to a person she supposedly views as a pest. If she didn't like Xavier whatsoever, why approach him at all to say goodbye? He was stationary, leaning on that railing. She chose to go to him. She could have easily acted like she didn't see him and walked off without saying goodbye. She mistrusted him previously, sure, but not anymore. I think your arguments just confuse me: Wednesday doesn't care about Xavier at all, yet does care that she hurt his feelings. To me, these things are incongruent. If say, you were writing a show and all you wanted was an antagonist character to look guilty and whose only purpose was to misdirect and annoy the main character, would you write a heartfelt goodbye scene between them? Would you have Danny Elfman compose a song specifically for it? They add music to shows to influence how you feel. And that scene is long enough to be a huge waste of time and money otherwise, if all it was meant to convey was Wednesday being nice to someone. The goodbye to Bianca accomplished that. She could have just nodded or waved to Xavier from afar. Or, when she was saying goodbye to the others, Bianca could've simply said, "By the way, Xavier's a free man now, he said no hard feelings" and Wednesday could've sighed in relief and then went on her way. Enid could've given her the phone. I mean, she loves texting! So why Xavier? Especially if the phone is just for texting Enid and Eugene, as you suggest. There are countless ways the writers could've wrapped up Xavier's story that would tell us he was both no longer imprisoned while also implying he meant very little to Wednesday... But taking an arrow for him, a gift exchange and heartfelt goodbye with their own melody are all terrible ways to do that. Not to mention other scenes, like having Fester point out the electric tension between them. Why bother? Why not have Fester say "whoa, that kid sure is unhinged! Anyway, let's bust open that safe!"? Because every. little. detail. is intentional. Now, I don't personally like Tyler (even before the Hyde reveal), nor do I wish to see more of him next season. But despite how I feel, I can admit that he must have some role to play next season if they included a scene of him chained up in that truck, spending money to animate the CGI. In conclusion, to be clear, I'm only arguing that Wednesday was interested in Xavier almost the whole time (interested as in the dictionary definition: capturing her attention or curiosity, not interested as in "being into him"), that he's not actually a creep but only looked that way under suspicion, and that Wednesday and Xavier have been foreshadowed to have a more significant relationship going forward, be it friendly or romantic.
I am CONVINCED the issue with Kinbott is just the writers didn't understand the boundaries a therapist has to hold to rather than her being intentionally written a bad therapist
No,I don't think so. She's TOO BAD to be unintentional. It's like they made her say and do _the exact opposite_ of what a good therapist should say and do. She's too _consistently bad_ to be unintentionally bad IMO.
Writer: "Thanks for coming in. Your input has been invaluable for designing the therapist for our show" Therapist: "No problem." Writer: "Okay, everybody. We're going to do the opposite of everything she just said." Therapist: "Wait... what?"
I have had therapists do exactly the wrong thing and at the time I thought they were more interested in what they getting paid to do than to do the right thing. Kind of like salesman in General getting paid to sell and don't really like their product.
@@Nicamon you could say the same about Xavier because a lot of the things he says and does just seem like there making him unintentionally annoying/unlikable.
I'm wondering why Wednesday doesn't say that she hated Enid's gift, usually she says what she thinks without worrying about other people's feelings unless she can gain something from them, but that's not the case. I find it interesting 🤔
She knows Enid would be hurt and she values Enid and her friendship. She is snarkier with people she does not know if she can trust or people who have hurt her or cornered her. Also, I think Enid probably knitted the snood by hand. She probably spent a long time on it and tied it to her own snood so they would have friendship snoods. That shows a desire to share a look because Enid values Wednesday a lot, too.
I think she disliked the implication. Accepting the gift or wearing it means she letting Enid in. She also seems she is hurting Enid if she doesn't accept it. It seems she reguards Enid a lot more than others cuase Enid is Kind but also respectful. She respects her boundaries and is considerate of Wensday. So I think in turn Wensday trys to have at least a bit of reguard for Enid. But Enid used logic when she made the gift. She regarded the fact that Wensday likes black and hates colors and it would not bother her. Meaning logically Wensday could not say no to the gift. However, having a matching gift with Enid is bonding them together and dropping her guard and I think that's also not something Wensday entirely wants to do. She did finally completely let Enid in after she saved her but that was after Enid has proven that no matter what she wasn't going to do anything to intentionally harm Wensday. The fact she hugged her back was saying "Fine I'll let you in" and only Enid could have gotten her to do that since she proved she was the one who truly cared that much about Wensday and everything she does is done out of kindness and love. Which in fact was something Wensday needed since her rejection of others is based on the idea everyone was going to abuse and control her. Enid doesn't want control, she just wants to love others and be loved back. Tyler wanted to fulfill his mission at all costs. Xavier can't help Wensday cuase he doesn't acknowledge the issues that arrise in thier relationships. So Enid is the only person who can make Wensday change or at least drop her barriers a little bit cuase Enid is just a loving person.
She kind of did the same thing when Tyler showed up to go to the dance with her. She knew right away that it was Thing who made the invitation, so she wasn't really obligated to go. She went, even though she already had plans to do something else she would much rather have been doing: working on solving the mystery.
Enid standing up and confronting Wednesday is probably my fav moment in the series. I love Wednesday and feel protective of her but she needed to hear every word of what Enid said.
I love that you call out the bad therapy methods lol. I really hate that misinformation and bad techniques (with anything) are glamorized in media. I's why so many of us have issues with people in these jobs and positions. We think they don't have our best interests at heart or worse, that they're incompetent. Though it does bring awareness that these people are human and make mistakes, and that you SHOULD question your therapists and doctors and anyone else who isn't actually listening to you or isn't being professional because they can be wrong too.
Xavier's behavior is due to the fact that his father is a media personality. The father treats every interaction as a performance. He can go from screaming at someone to calmly talking to the same person. Even though Xavier cares about other peoples feelings, do to his experiences, he feels that he can ignore them.
Aaah, I'm so excited to see your reactions!!!! I keep saying it, but your analysis, voice, and comment are always so good to see. I am understanding so much and so many more things. I am learning new things and that's so good, thank you In fact, Wednesday totally screwed up, yet i found it so interesting to see how she is affected by it. By the very end, as she outs her head on her knees. In the same way, how she's not giving up... I think that's one of the best quality... and at the same time that stubbornness losing things. Wednesday does care for others but she is really not used showing it...
That last statement tracks with autist/autistic individuals. They have feelings and care for others, but often they don't have the experience to show it in a way that's appropriate to that person.
part of the reason the show makes Kinbott out to be such a mediocre or bad therapist is because it needs to use her as a red herring for the mystery. When everyone takes a turn at being a suspect, you can't have anyone just being wholesome and helpful
I really didn't know silent panic attacks were a thing, tbh. Every show, like Bojack Horseman for example, always, ALWAYS ALWAYS shows panic attacks as being hyperventilating, you think you're dying, sweating, dizzy, about to vomit or pass out. I've never felt that once in my life, besides the dizziness and breathing hard, but no hyperventilating or at least not for longer than a few seconds at most. But I have had tons of those "silent panic attacks" in public where I just freeze, everything goes blank, I can't think, I can't speak, I can't conjure a proper thought. Even privately. I'm just more likely to cry and breathe really hard when I'm alone but usually after I feel all those frozen things first. It often makes me feel like I'm just making things up in my head and making something out of nothing, because nobody ever told me this was a thing and I was like, well, clearly I don't have panic attacks so my anxiety must not be that bad like I feel it is. I'm 26. I've researched so much psychology stuff. This has never come up. It's infuriating that there's no education for people around psychology unless you're paying $100 a week to one single therapist. Why don't psychology boards educate the general public even slightly, at all??????
The intresting thing about Wednesday's behaviors is that she acts in a way as she's aware of who she is, she pushed away people she cared about to protect. Whenever someone meets her she basically tells them "I don't do friendship, stay away from me" and then they proceed to ignore that Nad be surprised when she does what she tells them she would do.
I don’t know that Xavier’s tactic with Wednesday could be considered the same as it was with Bianca because in Bianca’s case, she was mad at Xavier for trying to get her to use her powers on him whereas with Wednesday, he was mad at her for pretending to want to go to the dance with him/accusing him of being a murderer
From a musical point of view it is really interesting that Wednesday plays Elgar's Cello Concerto in e minor only in Xavier's imagination. We saw Wednesday playing Paint It, Black as well as the first movement of Vivaldi's Winter before, but the most serious and challenging piece of music is the Elgar's Concerto. It says a lot about how people see Wednesday.
I was diagnosed with anxiety, panic attacks and depression several years ago. My panic attacks are silent. The first time they started to show I didn’t even know I was having them. I was in a toxic work environment and I would start crying whenever I was driving to work. It wasn’t ugly crying. It was more like silent tears streaming down. However, I couldn’t stop them, no matter what I did. Eventually the panic attacks started to intensify to the point that one day, as I was doing the dishes at home on my day off. The mere thought of going to work the next day caused me to nearly faint. Just had a full on dizzy spell and had to sit down. I quit working there and got better. It took a while. But eventually got better. I’ve learned my triggers and I can better identify when my anxiety is ramping up.
The first time I had one was scary. I sat as a passenger in a car 16 years old and everything just like became disoriented and I started hiding and told the person driving to drive me home. I’m 35 now and can control it much better and I mostly get angry before it hits.
Film them in 2 parts please :) As for panic attacks, I haven't had many but main symptoms: extreme fear and being in the flight mode (like really looking for an escape in a frantik manner) and not being able to breathe, feeling that my muscles don't work anymore, therefore feeling like I will collapse soon.
Same here for the panic attacks. I started to have them more often, for me it depends on the extent of worry that dictates if they are silent attacks or not. Most times its the outward ones and I also have collapsed in the past.
I've had them, too. I thought they were asthma attacks at first. My chest burning like I couldn't breathe, and gasping trying to get more air. Terrified that I was dying. Once I had it confirmed that it wasn't actually my asthma, it was easier to wait them out. Still not a good time though.😕
Even more odd is that I don't get panic attacks at all. Maybe it's all of my time and training in the military. When something that causes panic in most people causes me to begin looking for solutions even when the situation can be very dangerous. Could my training have conditioned me?
I recall reading somewhere about a man who had an anxiety disorder, which he told his employer. He also told them that he didn't wish to participate in the office's traditional surprise party. They threw one anyway, and he ended up suing the company for somewhere in the mid-six figure range.
I must say it’s so exciting watching Christina and Jenna together! I loved Christina as Wednesday as a kid but seeing Jenna put her charming twist to this character is smashing.
I feel Enid so much when she says she's having a panic attack. Mine are on the quieter side, I just can't relax, my limbs feel weak, or I can't keep anything more substantial than liquid down, and sometimes I find hyperventilating actually helps me calm down faster than just steady breathing exercises. Then again, when I'm not medicated, I have something close to what could be called a Panic Disorder, meaning that my attacks can last days with periods of worse symptoms followed by hours of just being on the edge. My family has to really keep an eye out for my symptoms if I don't tell them, which isn't helpful as on my meds, my attacks' most obvious symptoms are me expending excess energy, something I already have to do with my ADHD.
so ready for this!! Was looking forward to this since last episode. Day 3 of asking for you to react to 'The Fallout'! Its a movie from 2022 starring Jenna Ortega (Wednesday) and Maddie Ziegler going through and working through the trauma of witnessing a school shooting. Im very curious to hear your opinion on it, its a beautiful deep movie.
could you please do some kind of resolutions on the main relationships (wednesday and xavier, tayler, enid, bianca) and predictions on how they might work in the future
Definitely, for sure, 100% separate the episodes! Anxiety & panic attacks are new to me, like in the last 4-5 years. I'm a divorced, 58 mother of 4 (adult kids) that has always had depression. I've been in /out of therapy most of my adult life. Still trying to figure out my triggers but when it happens, it's always full-blown. Short of breath, sweating profusely, heart racing, sometimes dizzy, sometimes I see white. It's so scary! I stopped working 05/18 because of it & am on SSDI. I do meditate, not as often as I should & do breathing techniques but they still happen. I was a psych major in college & really enjoy your videos, you are wonderful!!!
I used to have panic attacks during high school exams, I just didn't know they were panic attacks because they were silent, anxiety would come over me and my mind would go hazy. Over time I managed to "control" them by myself, also because I've never been able to turn to professional help. Italian schools are among the most "severe" because they demand so much, often too much from students. I don't know a person who hasn't suffered from anxiety or panic attacks due to school. There are those who manage to move on "alone" and those who unfortunately carry on with this problem even in adulthood. I'd be curious to know what the long-term effects are, especially for those like me who have managed to suffocate / overcome this problem.😊
You bring so many important things to light and you go into so much depth about the characters, so I'm super excited for your thoughts on the last two episodes!
As an ND I really appreciate your input. Makes me realize a lot about myself too. I've never had a therapist and I'm starting to think it might actually help me lots.
Thank you for your channel. I love the way you explain panic attacks. I have them on occasion and I am not the outward type. I close off, stare blankly, and just go numb. I do shake too, but not to where most would catch it in passing. It is hard for people to believe you when you are not showing what they see in movies and TV. The part at the end about defenses causing problams and see it afterwards is my life in a nutshell.
I‘ve been experiencing panic attacks regularly for the past two years, mostly regarding the death of my grandparents in 2021 and most of them were the full blown ones. Sometimes (aka most of the time) the attacks developed because of intrusive thoughts but sometimes, I would get triggered ‘randomly’. I had an extremely scary experience, were I was sitting in class and suddenly a random image of the corpse of my grandma in the mortuary flashed trough my mind, which led to me having to leave the room because I was about to collapse from hyperventilating. However, the silent ones were rare. Since the panic attacks are currently getting worse, I’m considering therapy and our family doctor already gave me phone numbers for different therapists in the area, but I think that I will still need some time until I can bring up the courage to seek for help. Thanks for your awesome videos! You always light up my day! :D
Separate episodes, please 😊 I love all the insight you have for each episode. I learn a lot! And thank you Doctor for always saying that you are glad we exist, I believe we all are also very glad you exist!
(Sorry for this double comment...!) Very excited to see what you think about the last two episodes ! I found it super interesting to see how Enid cares for Wednesday , bit also isn't afraid of telling what she really thinks... somehow, this forces Wednesday to rethink their relationship and where all of this stand... Wednesday was affected by this argument. I think her eyes where tearing. I think this episode does develop dramatically their relationship as they separate, but as the separation make will make them rethink of all lf this. I do think it shows that Enid has her own limitation -- i mean, she does not accept everything, which is important and interesting. The fact that she is very honest, is in a way just like Wednesday... but Enid is seeing more the bright side of things while Wednwsday is protecting herself, distant, has maybe been used to be deceived and see the darker side, she is less naive. They do complement each other very well...
Oof. I'm having a rough time at the moment and was totally fine, then got very emotional (not in a bad way) when you ended with "I'm so glad you exist". Thanks for doing these videos! I enjoy them a lot.
My manager at work told me I had to train someone or I'd be written up or possibly let go. As someone with pretty bad social anxiety, I was basically begging for weeks prior to not have to train someone. My manager kind if let it go, but on the day the new employee started, he brought me and the trainee together and left us alone, forcing me to engage and train them. I had to excuse myself and had 2 panic attacks back to back. I was hyperventilating, trying to hold back tears because I was at work. But I was full blown panicking. A friend who also works there gave me a spot to hide for awhile until I calmed down. I felt so betrayed by my manager, on top of the anxiety I already had. I was able to get through with training but it didn't go well, they needed to be trained by someone else in the end. Forcing someone to do something when they tell you they cannot is not going to help anyone. That was probably the worst panic attack(s) I've had.
Re: panic attacks, I used to have so many when I was a teenager. Sometimes I’d have 8+ in a day, and that’s when I was diagnosed with Panic Disorder - when I started panicking about my panic attacks. I was a junior in high school, and the school psychologist was really kind to me and gave me a pass to leave class to go to the school library (always empty except the librarian) or her little calm room she had set up whenever I had a panic attack. I’ve always had silent panic attacks. It rings in my head like super loud tinnitus, and my anxieties bounce around in my head and it feels like they echo. I get dizzy and I get tunnel vision, my skin gets tingly, and it feels like I stop breathing. At first, it was like being frozen, but after so many panic attacks and help from that psychologist, I got to a point where I would feverishly write during them. My home life wasn’t great, so I also had to teach myself how to be responsive during panic attacks. I couldn’t have long, full conversations, but I could do something short and simple and seem fine. My panic attacks looked like a silent, calm, girl writing. But, because nobody else could *tell* that’s how I felt and it looked like I was totally fine, my teachers started accusing me of skipping and abusing my panic pass. They would confront me in the library about “skipping” their class and since I was already in panic mode, it was nightmarish. I didn’t know how to explain myself, or make them understand. My brain turned into jello and I ended up always taking the punishment, which ended up being flunking my junior year almost entirely, after all except my psychology teacher decided to count my panic excuses as full absences, and then I had so many that I auto-failed based on days missed. It crushed me. I still don’t understand how so many teachers could see a student in all AP classes, who they knew had a rough home life and weekly meetings with the school psychologist and frequent panic attacks go from straight As to barely functioning and assume I was more of a trouble maker than I was just troubled and in need of more help. Regardless, I’m forever thankful for that school psychologist for standing up for me when not many others did.
I had a panic attack when I was meeting my adoptive parents for the first time and I couldn’t breathe bc I was holding my breath and I passed out. Terrible first impression on my part and that made me freak out even more
I usually have silent panic attacks, usually triggered by certain smells. I tried to get help back in uni, but since I didn't have an objectively traumatic event, my panic attacks were described as not real. There was no war in my lifetime (members of my family did harbor refugees during the Kosovo war, but I didn't experience any of it first hand), so no way that I could be traumatised. So glad I found a professional who disagrees.
Great analysis so far, this has been a great series. You must do separate episodes, or you run the risk of having to edit out too much of either episode.
I have an almost constant state of anxiety attack. they show up as a sort of pins and needles in my brain and all over my body, a desperate sense of doom, a coldness, but I sweat too much in the warmth, and I just become extremely isolationist and uncomfortable and prone to crying. And I get these very very often, and they can last minutes, to hours, to days. I've had ones last a whole week before.
notice, in that final scene, after the fight with Enid, Wednesday is sitting in the middle of the room, half on her side, and half on Enid's side. She is trying to reclaim some closeness to Enid after the fight, because she already misses her.
I look forward to your reviews. I would prefer it if you reacted to episode 7 & 8 separately. A lot goes on during those two and to combine reactions will feel crammed together.
Usually my panic attacks are outward but I sometimes have quiet ones. Especially if you're in a social setting and there is a standard to keep it together. Both are equally awful really
I mostly have typical outward PA but once I did have a quiet panic attack. My best friend and I were arguing at the same time that her music was playing in the room. I've gotten better since but back then I had a really hard time when other people's music was being played in a shared space. It made me feel really stressed and like I had no control over my environment. So to have an argument in that setting messed me up. I just crumpled silently on the bathroom floor. I couldn't move or speak and struggled to breathe. It was honestly so much worse than my normal panic attacks and I hope I never have another one like it again!
This episode is so good because it shows such character growth for Enid and for Wednesday (even though hers is just feeling unhappy about how she has pushed everyone too far and messed up her developing friendships). Your analysis felt so spot on and I think next episode will just confirm that for you too. I won't say more to spoil it though! As for panic attacks, I have had 2 I can think of, and both times I was in the hospital. Once as a patient in an emergency situation and once as a visitor when my mother-in-law was terminally ill. It felt like a huge weight was on my chest, and I couldn't breath, and I felt like I wanted to cry and ask for help but couldn't, so I just sat there struggling to draw in breath (not gasping outright, but still struggling). It was the worst feeling, because I felt like I could do nothing to help myself, much less anyone else.
Separate episodes please & thank you! I love your takes and the way you discuss mental health is both informative as well as soothing - keep doing what you do ✨
Keep doing what you're doing... episode by episode.. I've already seen all eps but watching your reactions so far has opened up the show to me in a deeper way and I've loved it..its like a second binge but more thoughtful.. definetly see out all 8 eps..
On the panick attack subject, I had them constantly in December and January of last year. They were mostly silent. I would have to many thoughts and everything was overwhelming, but I could only sit there and wait until I was too tired to keep panicking.
yes ive had panic attacks before and im actually just now learning more about them. i didnt know they could be silent, which is ironic bc i hold mine in. the times i had panic attacks i thought i was just really nervous and i thought panic attacks were these very severe attacks with the stereotypical hyperventilating in a bag and not being able to breath at all. glad i figured this out so i know for sure when i have them. ❤
Option 2: React individually! I also want to share that it was nice to hear how panic attacks looks different on everyone. I spent a long time experiencing panic attacks quietly but was not sure what they were because my family and friends would tell me a panic attack looked like something else.
For what is worth, I know of 1 panic attack I've had in my life. I have diagnosed conciliatory insomnia and borderline depression disorder (I don't know if they change the name in the DSM-5). I take drugs for both of those conditions, but sometimes the sleeping pills don't take full effect and I can't sleep. Now that the context is out of the way, it started with an overwhelming feeling of guilt, then transformed into fear, I felt like everybody who was going to die was gonna be my fault. It felt like my heart was racing in my throat at 200bpm and also felt I was going down the rabbit hole of the panic attack. With what little logical brain I had available, I started remembering the steps to "control" a panic attack. Started taking deep breaths, felt my carotid pulse to see if I needed to go to the hospital but it wasn't fast (no more than 100bpm) and just kept focusing on the sound of my deep breaths and the pulse on my neck. I'd say it took 10 minutes but I can't say for sure how long it was. It went away, a relaxed feeling came to my mind and decided to make myself a cup of tea. Some guilts emotions started to came to mind but I pulled an Enid and just told them "Get away from my head".
I like how you mention the strange behavior of the therapist. I thought I didn't like her attitude because I've had bad experiences with various psychologists that have made me mistrust even myself. I know it's for the good of the plot's sake but seeing your point of view makes me feel better about how she does her job.
There is a type of panic attack that is worse: the type you don't usually have. I don't typically have the silent ones so I always feel like I'm going to so much worse when I do have one.
I experienced an entire day of back to back panic attacks during my master's degree graduation months ago, both outward and silent. It's still very upsetting to think about even if everyone else wants me to move on.
Using the coping mechanism of comparing intrusive thoughts to clouds or cars passing by just forever changed how I will handle my intrusive thoughts! I had a panic attack in my Uber home tonight cuz the driver locked the windows and I couldn’t roll mine down, thankfully I have PokémonGo as a huge distraction for when these attacks happen, but literally visualizing the intrusive thoughts as cars passing by would have helped tremendously, thank u so much!!!!!❤❤❤
My panic attacks tend to be silent suffering, but it feels like I should be screaming and freaking out appropriately . I wonder sometimes if I should actually let myself freak out instead of holding it in.
I don’t know whether mine was a panic attack or not but I have had situations where depression overwhelms me and it’s like someone hit pause and I just stand there.
Doc have you ever thought of doing a similar analysis of the show Jessica Jones? I’d love to see what commentary you have about those bunch of characters.
whenever I've gotten panic attacks I noticed I can get both either silent ones or loud ones. What changes is that I typically have the loud kind from outside stimuli, like when I'm suddenly phased with my phobias (spiders, heights) and I usually have silent ones when I'm lost in my head, like when I have flashbacks from my ptsd and I just freeze with my thoughts. Also please do separate episodes! I love the one video per episode format and love when you explain things in so much detail!
Not sure if what I had was a panic attack, or a form of mental breakdown. Something I had to do at work wasn't going as it should, I was very nervous about not being able to finish. I just started repeating the same sentence over and over. I don't remember what the sentence was anymore, or how or why it started, but I kept repeating it as I worked. I was close to the shift end (about thirty minutes) when it started and when my shift ended I just kept working and repeating the same sentence over and over for about fifteen minutes over my time. My hands started shaking and I dropped my equipment because of it. My mind seemed to cling to that opportunity and I left. I sat in my car repeating the same sentence for another fifteen minutes. I kept doing it while my mind wanted me to stop. So I forced myself to, instead of the sentence, keep repeating "Stop!" to myself. Stop! Stop! Stop! but I couldn't stop. The only thing I could do was slow down the time in between each utterance. I slowed it down until they were some thirty seconds apart at which point I could actually stop. When I checked the time then, it was an hour after my shift ended. I sat in my car for another hour to calm down before driving home. Only time that happened to me. Must be some twelve/thirteen years ago now.
I love the videos! Looking forward to the next (hopefully) two episodes! Wednesday's behaviour reminds me of myself (especially at that age) so I kind of imagine how it feels: being unable to respond to people's emotions and feelings because you don't know how to open up (you've never done that before and you are afraid of it). And instead of trying (much like Enid's doing) you keep distancing from people still feeling bad about it and lonely at the same time (and simply unable to explain it to youself, what it is exactly that you feel). It can be especially hard if you usually rely only on yourself. People are very likely to misinterpret your behaviour as though you don't care.
I ,too like taxidermy. Like my hero :Ed Gien. But, not good at sewing. Not very crafty. I get anxiety when shopping around large crowds . I shut down and get violent thoughts. I just take a deep breath and walk away from the crowd, then I’m happy. And, a joy to be around with. Great reaction and insight. You’re awesome, keep it up 👍
Also interesting how you talk about Wednesday getting lost in music whenever I play the piano then I get super sensitive even a single word from my piano teacher makes me flinch etc 😵💫
Panic attacks for me have included a mix of these (apart from just one occasion when it was all of these in one go lol) feeling trapped in the present time, massive tingling in my hands & feet as though they’re giant sparklers, forgetting to breathe (it must have been too microscopically shallow to be possible to notice any breathing), a feeling as though my insides were trying to attack me from the inside out, heightened senses. When I feel anxious, I’ve found it helpful to pinpoint areas of me physically that are affected, so instead of keeping words in my mind such as “awful“, “etc, I try replacing those words with more objective ones such as “cold”, “tingly”, “tense”, “in this area”, “this shape”, “small” etc. When I’ve practised that sort of thing, it can help to wait for it to pass
I have watched a lot of these reactions to Wednesday, this one is really great giving us an insight into the minds of the characters. Also this is the first time I noticed that the second last photo taken by Wednesdays stalker is of Wednesday, Enid and Tyler in the car as they set of for the Gates Mansion where Wednesday picks up the box containing those photos. So the stalker had to get to the mansion first to place the pictures in the box... Intriguing!
I have ocd, I have panic attacks over the smallest things. So many of the times that I have had a panic attack have been with people. I have panic attacks while I’m socializing, while I’m about to sleep, while I’m at school, while I’m doing nothing, and they’re all silent, so until today I thought calling my moments panic attacks were not quite right. (though I still deep inside knew, so I still did, lol) it feels so good to be validated.
The last 2 episodes in separate vids is great! There's so much to get into. Also glad you seemed to know what a snood is cause it seems most people don't nowadays. I think every other reaction to this episode that I saw they spent 5 minutes saying "What's a snood? Oh, it's a scarf? Why not just say scarf?" Made me feel my age & I'm only 51! Enid's handmade snood/scarf combo obviously wasn't Wednesday's style but at least she didn't outright reject it & wouldn't hurt Enid's feelings over it. But as you discussed, she then ruined it by lying & using Enid & Tyler to do what she wanted instead of actually engaging with them.
Please do in 2 episodes, I really look forward to this. For anxiety, I have them often but have worked hard on finding mechanisms that help. Most times, it's silent attacks, but every once in a while, I have full breakdowns and find it very hard to breath and think. I am usually aware if one is coming and will separate myself from others to deal with it. I know most will mean well, but don't like burdening people or being coddled. Usually, stopping, sitting in a quiet space and just breathing helps. Sometimes this helps quickly and other times, will take a little longer. My only thought is, when someone is helping another who is in an anxiety attacks, to find out what they need or just stay quiet till they are ready to continue with the day. I have many amazing people in my life that suffer from anxiety like me or have other health issues like depression and bi polar. Everyone is unique in what they need. One rule of thumb I always keep, is to never discredit their emotions, they are real in the moment.
After your commentary on thoughts as clouds passing by, I'd be really curious to see just a brief reaction to "Here Comes a Thought" from Steven Universe!
You know, this is one place where her (the therapist) being quietly there, would be good thing for Wednesday. Wednesday Addams has been trying to set a separation between herself and everyone else. A partner in the silence would have been good for Wednesday. Wednesday shows she wants connection, but by putting a reason (working with her friend's moms) once again put the logic before the emotion. With that said, I 1000% agree with you about expressing that she's working with others. BAD therapist, indeed.
OH NO! Enid and Wednesday are fighting 😢FYI for copyright purposes we have to cut out a lot of our scenes/commentary. If there is something missing from this episode that you'd like me to comment on let me know and I'll try and answer it in the comments. Thank you for being here! 🖤 👇
Dr here's a movie I think you might enjoy both as a person and as a therapist. "Berserk Golden egg arc"
Do you think Wednesday was embarrassed about having a vision in front of her friends. I wonder how the friends responded to her collapsing. Maybe Wednesday felt vulnerable and exposed.
I said this on another video but I don't konw if you saw it, I'd really like an "enid special" when you're finished with this series, her character is deserving of an entire episode dedicated to breaking down her scenes and her psychology in depth. Her character is just as good as wednesdays, and they're as much costars as can be made humanly possible in a show where only one of them has the show named after them. Fantastic character development all around, but enid and wednesday are absolute character perfection.
Hey in case you haven't heard there's a copy of your channel that's sending telegram spam. I reported the message it sent me.
@@roselover411 Yes thank you, just saw! So creepy. Thank you for reporting them, I did as well and blocked them from this channel. ❤
Definitely separate the episodes I don’t want this series to end !!
This!
YES
i think wednesday needed enid to yell at her and leave. it finally made wednesday realize how much she actually cares for enid and now she can actually make steps to appreciating enids friendship more
Please film them separately! There's so much to both of those episode's and I wanna hear your thoughts!!
Yes please 🥺
Exactly
Definitely film them seperately. Every episode makes me look forward to the upcoming week. Please make them last as long as possible.
Same here
SAME...
Enid making snoods for Wednesday and herself in their colors is very cute and so wholesome. "We can wear them to CLASS! 😃" 🤣🤣🤣
I really felt for how angry she got at Wednesday for exploiting her trust, and appreciate that she expressed this to Wednesday directly.
wednesday needed to hear it directly to understand, even, if she needed time to process what enid said... and as wednesday said "for the first time being alone did not feel right" she did miss her and knew she fxxed up. but shedid not know that feeling of missing someone until this moment....
If you film them separately, you'll be able to put up twice as much content, but more importantly, you'll have the time for a more in-depth analysis of both episodes.
agreed
YES
When Xavier explained his painting of Wednesday, she left without a word leaving him visibly frustrated. This seems to be a recurring theme for Wednesday as dealing with others emotions seems to make her very uncomfortable. ( She went into hiding after winning the Poe Cup ) In a way she handled it like Enid's mother did the previous episode. Faced with a situation she wasn't prepared to handle she just walked away.
Enid is definitely not a doormat. She has boundaries! She's the kind of character I needed as a kid
Yes love her for setting boundaries
she's really inspiring
4:50 When Bianca said she was trying not to become her mother, I was surprised you didn't bring up that Wednesday felt the same way about her mom too...even if it was for different reasons.
What are you talking about she has mentioned it. She mentioned it in the last episode maybe pay a little more attention.
@@amber.ren_1995yeah she already did lol
I think that learning Tyler was an abusive bully to Xavier also had something to do with why Wednesday was ghosting Tyler. She tried not to care, but it seemed like it affected her opinion of him. Several guys ganging up on Xavier is very much like what happened to Pugsley in episode one.
Honestly I'm not to sure that tracks. Everything in this show quite frankly paints the picture that Wednesday really doesn't care about Xavier that much or at least less so than Enid Eugene Tyler and possibly even Bianca. The 2 outliers that I could see someone thinking means she actually considers him a friend are easily explained if she simply considers him an ally (almost friends). Her taking the arrow for him is far from life threatening to her and her last conversation with him made her feel guilty and ashamed so seeing him come back her up is probably making her see him differently plus Wednesday both has a transactional worldview as well as a deeply ingrained sense of loyalty. The other outlier being the acceptance of his gift which could be seen as logical since it allows Wednesday to communicate with her two favorite people (Enid and Eugene) in a way they're more comfortable with plus since Wednesday has treated Xavier like an annoying pest for the whole show this could be her attempting to mend bridges. Plus she literally said she wouldn't judge Tyler for his past and basically showed her complete and utter disinterest in Xavier and his feelings by calling it a prank.
Thanks for the reply! Preemptive apologies for the length of my reply (I'm just very passionate about this show - you don't have to read all of this, I just want my thoughts out in the ether)
First, let me state that I don't think that at any point Wednesday liked Xavier as much as he liked her - but I do think she was interested in him as a person. I think there's a sort of arc happening regarding Wednesday's interest in Xavier. First, she's too cool to care about Nevermore's tortured artist. Then her interest in him starts budding, at least until she suspects him of being the monster, and that's when she starts treating him like a "pest" (but remember, she's very short and snarky even with Enid).
Since I'm not sure how to prove my point without listing examples, so here's a short list detailing Wednesday's interest in Xavier:
• The way Wednesday tilts her head as Xavier animates his spider drawing
• Upon sneaking into Xavier's room to find Rowan's book, she immediately goes to Xavier's sketchbook instead
• When Wednesday notices Xavier sulking in Jericho, she changes directions to approach and ask what he's doing
• When Xavier shows up at the meeting house, she freely divulges information and theories
• Upon swiping some his drawings, she says to herself, "Xavier, you just became that much more interesting" (which implies she found him interesting at least to some degree)
• Wednesday stares at the black dress at Uriah's Heap. Some part of her likes the idea of going to the dance (arguably with Xavier)
• When she admits to Tyler that she asked Xavier to the dance as an act of "self preservation", even he doesn't buy it, saying: "Sure, that happens, I guess..." (because seriously, she could've said a number of different things to Xavier and not "have" to ask him to the dance)
And yes! Wednesday told Tyler that she wouldn't judge him for the prank, or that she would've taken it further... but the next time she sees him, Tyler says she's been ghosting him "ever since the dance" - you know, ever since she learned he was a bully. To me, this is telling. Gomez also says something to Sherif Galpin like, "Your son must be a good egg - Wednesday wouldn't settle for anything less", which is also pretty telling. Even before his Hyde was unlocked - Tyler was not a good egg. If Wednesday hadn't wrongly judged Xavier as an "elitist snob", his warnings about Tyler might not have been lost on her.
As for the arrow Wednesday took for Xavier, I would argue that there was no way she could've known it wouldn't be a critical hit. I don't think her intention was romantic, or out of guilt - I think she cares about him as a friend. Xavier showing up with his bow showed that despite all Wednesday has done (to him, or others), she is still worthy of forgiveness (though, I personally believe the writers were intentionally paralleling Gomez taking the fall for Morticia). But really, why would the writers bother putting Xavier into that scene? Each scene in a show or movie is meticulously planned out, with purpose, and anything unnecessary is cut in writing or editing, so his presence in that scene was important, somehow.
By the end of the show, I don't think Wednesday would accept a gift she didn't want from someone she didn't like - not even if it was purely logical to do so - for me, that sort of discounts all the growth she's done throughout the season. While Wednesday's relationships are "transactional" to begin with, I think the entire point of the show is three-fold: for Wednesday to form those transformative relationships, to realize that her instincts and judgments aren't always correct, and that emotion and friendships are strengths, not weaknesses.
Lastly, despite what another commenter assumed, I'm not a "rabid fangirl" for Xavier. I'm an aspiring writer, so I completely pick apart and study every aspect of any book, series, or movie that captivates me, such as Wednesday. I grew up with Christina Ricci's depiction of Wednesday, so if I'm a "rabid fangirl" of anything, it's Wednesday. I just think most people have totally got Xavier's character wrong based on Wednesday's first impression of him, so that's why I'm sticking up for him so much.
@@daisyvision ok so while there's a lot of things on your list that I think are wrong I'm only going to mention a few. one I find most strange is the idea that Wednesday was avoiding Tyler because of Xavier. Eugene literally gets hurt and almost killed because she decided to go to the dance with Tyler instead- She's avoiding Tyler because she thinks it's for the best as the last time she allowed herself to be distracted by Tyler one of her few friends got hurt not because of Xavier. Wednesday stares at the black dress because she likes it. That's it. The reason she thinks asking Xavier is an act of self-preservation is because she thinks he's the culprit. This is also why she says "more interesting" as you said- because he's roommates with Rowan and a suspect to her. Also she literally smashed the spider immediately and denied his attempt to impress her which lead to him being dejected and to the class laughing at him. Wednesday taking the phone because she wants to be nice or accommodating to someone else(especially someone she's hurt) is definitely character development so Idk what your talking about. this was technically more than a few😐
@@calvintyler9281 I didn't mean to imply Wednesday was avoiding Tyler because of Xavier, but because she learned (from Xavier) that Tyler is a bully and gangs up on kids to beat them up - again, much like what happened to her brother Pugsley and to Eugene. Xavier is just the bearer of bad news. I don't personally think she'd hold Eugene getting hurt during the dance against Tyler, as he didn't know he was "ruining" any plans, I think it's a mixture of both.
Wednesday would be disappointed to hear this news about anyone, regardless of who they were beating up. But why would the writers choose to make Tyler a bully who gangs up on other kids, if not to parallel what happened to Pugsley or Eugene? He could've done anything to Xavier, stole his girlfriend, or even just ruined his mural without beating him up, but the writers knew it had to be something that would give us a hint as to who the real monster was, and to Wednesday, monstrous behavior is bullying.
Again, the writing is way too intentional to include a scene in which Wednesday likes a dress and that's it. I was arguing that she was excited to go to the dance, imagining wearing that dress in particular. At the time, she was still going with Xavier, so I put in parentheses "arguably excited to go with Xavier". Xavier could have nothing to do with that desire to go, other than just being convenient.
As for her act of self preservation, when Xavier confronted her, asking, "What are you doing here?" She could have said anything! "I followed you out here because you were acting strange" or "I didn't know there were woods over here" then that's that. She could've steered the direction of the conversation anywhere else at any time. And Wednesday isn't a girl who does things she doesn't want to do. On some level, perhaps subconscious, she wanted to go to that dance. Same as when Tyler showed up at her door ready to take her. She could've said the note wasn't from her, that Thing did it, and she had plans. But she didn't. Because she wanted to go to the dance.
I don't disagree with why you say Wednesday found Xavier interesting (because he's Rowan's roommate/her suspect). I was only arguing that she DID find him interesting, as your original comment implied she did not.
Yes, Wednesday smashed the spider after Xavier said, "admit it, you're a little impressed". She doesn't like that he's being cocky. But the head tilt and her going through the sketchbook in his room implies that she found his artwork or his power interesting. If it wasn't interesting at all, why watch as he animated it? She could've looked anywhere else, or looked away if it wasn't interesting in the slightest.
I personally disagree that Wednesday would do anything just to be nice or accommodating, least of all to a person she supposedly views as a pest. If she didn't like Xavier whatsoever, why approach him at all to say goodbye? He was stationary, leaning on that railing. She chose to go to him. She could have easily acted like she didn't see him and walked off without saying goodbye. She mistrusted him previously, sure, but not anymore.
I think your arguments just confuse me: Wednesday doesn't care about Xavier at all, yet does care that she hurt his feelings. To me, these things are incongruent.
If say, you were writing a show and all you wanted was an antagonist character to look guilty and whose only purpose was to misdirect and annoy the main character, would you write a heartfelt goodbye scene between them? Would you have Danny Elfman compose a song specifically for it? They add music to shows to influence how you feel. And that scene is long enough to be a huge waste of time and money otherwise, if all it was meant to convey was Wednesday being nice to someone. The goodbye to Bianca accomplished that. She could have just nodded or waved to Xavier from afar. Or, when she was saying goodbye to the others, Bianca could've simply said, "By the way, Xavier's a free man now, he said no hard feelings" and Wednesday could've sighed in relief and then went on her way. Enid could've given her the phone. I mean, she loves texting! So why Xavier? Especially if the phone is just for texting Enid and Eugene, as you suggest.
There are countless ways the writers could've wrapped up Xavier's story that would tell us he was both no longer imprisoned while also implying he meant very little to Wednesday... But taking an arrow for him, a gift exchange and heartfelt goodbye with their own melody are all terrible ways to do that.
Not to mention other scenes, like having Fester point out the electric tension between them. Why bother? Why not have Fester say "whoa, that kid sure is unhinged! Anyway, let's bust open that safe!"? Because every. little. detail. is intentional.
Now, I don't personally like Tyler (even before the Hyde reveal), nor do I wish to see more of him next season. But despite how I feel, I can admit that he must have some role to play next season if they included a scene of him chained up in that truck, spending money to animate the CGI.
In conclusion, to be clear, I'm only arguing that Wednesday was interested in Xavier almost the whole time (interested as in the dictionary definition: capturing her attention or curiosity, not interested as in "being into him"), that he's not actually a creep but only looked that way under suspicion, and that Wednesday and Xavier have been foreshadowed to have a more significant relationship going forward, be it friendly or romantic.
I am CONVINCED the issue with Kinbott is just the writers didn't understand the boundaries a therapist has to hold to rather than her being intentionally written a bad therapist
No,I don't think so. She's TOO BAD to be unintentional. It's like they made her say and do _the exact opposite_ of what a good therapist should say and do. She's too _consistently bad_ to be unintentionally bad IMO.
Writer: "Thanks for coming in. Your input has been invaluable for designing the therapist for our show"
Therapist: "No problem."
Writer: "Okay, everybody. We're going to do the opposite of everything she just said."
Therapist: "Wait... what?"
@@peterkottke2570 😂😂😂 I'm *SURE* that's exactly how it went!👍
I have had therapists do exactly the wrong thing and at the time I thought they were more interested in what they getting paid to do than to do the right thing. Kind of like salesman in General getting paid to sell and don't really like their product.
@@Nicamon you could say the same about Xavier because a lot of the things he says and does just seem like there making him unintentionally annoying/unlikable.
I'm wondering why Wednesday doesn't say that she hated Enid's gift, usually she says what she thinks without worrying about other people's feelings unless she can gain something from them, but that's not the case. I find it interesting 🤔
She knows Enid would be hurt and she values Enid and her friendship. She is snarkier with people she does not know if she can trust or people who have hurt her or cornered her. Also, I think Enid probably knitted the snood by hand. She probably spent a long time on it and tied it to her own snood so they would have friendship snoods. That shows a desire to share a look because Enid values Wednesday a lot, too.
I think she disliked the implication. Accepting the gift or wearing it means she letting Enid in. She also seems she is hurting Enid if she doesn't accept it. It seems she reguards Enid a lot more than others cuase Enid is Kind but also respectful. She respects her boundaries and is considerate of Wensday. So I think in turn Wensday trys to have at least a bit of reguard for Enid. But Enid used logic when she made the gift. She regarded the fact that Wensday likes black and hates colors and it would not bother her. Meaning logically Wensday could not say no to the gift. However, having a matching gift with Enid is bonding them together and dropping her guard and I think that's also not something Wensday entirely wants to do. She did finally completely let Enid in after she saved her but that was after Enid has proven that no matter what she wasn't going to do anything to intentionally harm Wensday. The fact she hugged her back was saying "Fine I'll let you in" and only Enid could have gotten her to do that since she proved she was the one who truly cared that much about Wensday and everything she does is done out of kindness and love. Which in fact was something Wensday needed since her rejection of others is based on the idea everyone was going to abuse and control her. Enid doesn't want control, she just wants to love others and be loved back. Tyler wanted to fulfill his mission at all costs. Xavier can't help Wensday cuase he doesn't acknowledge the issues that arrise in thier relationships. So Enid is the only person who can make Wensday change or at least drop her barriers a little bit cuase Enid is just a loving person.
She kind of did the same thing when Tyler showed up to go to the dance with her. She knew right away that it was Thing who made the invitation, so she wasn't really obligated to go. She went, even though she already had plans to do something else she would much rather have been doing: working on solving the mystery.
@@Tallenn true! I forgot that scene
@@dazzlingdexter5060 thanks for this comment, I really like your analysis!
Enid standing up and confronting Wednesday is probably my fav moment in the series. I love Wednesday and feel protective of her but she needed to hear every word of what Enid said.
I love that you call out the bad therapy methods lol. I really hate that misinformation and bad techniques (with anything) are glamorized in media. I's why so many of us have issues with people in these jobs and positions. We think they don't have our best interests at heart or worse, that they're incompetent. Though it does bring awareness that these people are human and make mistakes, and that you SHOULD question your therapists and doctors and anyone else who isn't actually listening to you or isn't being professional because they can be wrong too.
Please film the last two episodes separately! I really enjoy your breakdowns behind the psychological factors of each character! :)
Xavier's behavior is due to the fact that his father is a media personality. The father treats every interaction as a performance. He can go from screaming at someone to calmly talking to the same person. Even though Xavier cares about other peoples feelings, do to his experiences, he feels that he can ignore them.
Aaah, I'm so excited to see your reactions!!!!
I keep saying it, but your analysis, voice, and comment are always so good to see.
I am understanding so much and so many more things.
I am learning new things and that's so good, thank you
In fact, Wednesday totally screwed up, yet i found it so interesting to see how she is affected by it. By the very end, as she outs her head on her knees.
In the same way, how she's not giving up... I think that's one of the best quality... and at the same time that stubbornness losing things.
Wednesday does care for others but she is really not used showing it...
Thank you!
That last statement tracks with autist/autistic individuals. They have feelings and care for others, but often they don't have the experience to show it in a way that's appropriate to that person.
part of the reason the show makes Kinbott out to be such a mediocre or bad therapist is because it needs to use her as a red herring for the mystery. When everyone takes a turn at being a suspect, you can't have anyone just being wholesome and helpful
I really didn't know silent panic attacks were a thing, tbh. Every show, like Bojack Horseman for example, always, ALWAYS ALWAYS shows panic attacks as being hyperventilating, you think you're dying, sweating, dizzy, about to vomit or pass out. I've never felt that once in my life, besides the dizziness and breathing hard, but no hyperventilating or at least not for longer than a few seconds at most. But I have had tons of those "silent panic attacks" in public where I just freeze, everything goes blank, I can't think, I can't speak, I can't conjure a proper thought. Even privately. I'm just more likely to cry and breathe really hard when I'm alone but usually after I feel all those frozen things first.
It often makes me feel like I'm just making things up in my head and making something out of nothing, because nobody ever told me this was a thing and I was like, well, clearly I don't have panic attacks so my anxiety must not be that bad like I feel it is. I'm 26. I've researched so much psychology stuff. This has never come up. It's infuriating that there's no education for people around psychology unless you're paying $100 a week to one single therapist. Why don't psychology boards educate the general public even slightly, at all??????
The intresting thing about Wednesday's behaviors is that she acts in a way as she's aware of who she is, she pushed away people she cared about to protect. Whenever someone meets her she basically tells them "I don't do friendship, stay away from me" and then they proceed to ignore that Nad be surprised when she does what she tells them she would do.
For real though, like what did they expect?
I don’t know that Xavier’s tactic with Wednesday could be considered the same as it was with Bianca because in Bianca’s case, she was mad at Xavier for trying to get her to use her powers on him whereas with Wednesday, he was mad at her for pretending to want to go to the dance with him/accusing him of being a murderer
From a musical point of view it is really interesting that Wednesday plays Elgar's Cello Concerto in e minor only in Xavier's imagination. We saw Wednesday playing Paint It, Black as well as the first movement of Vivaldi's Winter before, but the most serious and challenging piece of music is the Elgar's Concerto. It says a lot about how people see Wednesday.
I was diagnosed with anxiety, panic attacks and depression several years ago. My panic attacks are silent. The first time they started to show I didn’t even know I was having them. I was in a toxic work environment and I would start crying whenever I was driving to work. It wasn’t ugly crying. It was more like silent tears streaming down. However, I couldn’t stop them, no matter what I did.
Eventually the panic attacks started to intensify to the point that one day, as I was doing the dishes at home on my day off. The mere thought of going to work the next day caused me to nearly faint. Just had a full on dizzy spell and had to sit down.
I quit working there and got better. It took a while. But eventually got better. I’ve learned my triggers and I can better identify when my anxiety is ramping up.
The first time I had one was scary. I sat as a passenger in a car 16 years old and everything just like became disoriented and I started hiding and told the person driving to drive me home. I’m 35 now and can control it much better and I mostly get angry before it hits.
Film them in 2 parts please :)
As for panic attacks, I haven't had many but main symptoms: extreme fear and being in the flight mode (like really looking for an escape in a frantik manner) and not being able to breathe, feeling that my muscles don't work anymore, therefore feeling like I will collapse soon.
Same here for the panic attacks. I started to have them more often, for me it depends on the extent of worry that dictates if they are silent attacks or not. Most times its the outward ones and I also have collapsed in the past.
I've had them, too. I thought they were asthma attacks at first. My chest burning like I couldn't breathe, and gasping trying to get more air. Terrified that I was dying. Once I had it confirmed that it wasn't actually my asthma, it was easier to wait them out. Still not a good time though.😕
Even more odd is that I don't get panic attacks at all. Maybe it's all of my time and training in the military. When something that causes panic in most people causes me to begin looking for solutions even when the situation can be very dangerous. Could my training have conditioned me?
I recall reading somewhere about a man who had an anxiety disorder, which he told his employer. He also told them that he didn't wish to participate in the office's traditional surprise party. They threw one anyway, and he ended up suing the company for somewhere in the mid-six figure range.
Please film them separately because there’s too much content in the two final episodes ❤
I must say it’s so exciting watching Christina and Jenna together! I loved Christina as Wednesday as a kid but seeing Jenna put her charming twist to this character is smashing.
I feel Enid so much when she says she's having a panic attack. Mine are on the quieter side, I just can't relax, my limbs feel weak, or I can't keep anything more substantial than liquid down, and sometimes I find hyperventilating actually helps me calm down faster than just steady breathing exercises. Then again, when I'm not medicated, I have something close to what could be called a Panic Disorder, meaning that my attacks can last days with periods of worse symptoms followed by hours of just being on the edge. My family has to really keep an eye out for my symptoms if I don't tell them, which isn't helpful as on my meds, my attacks' most obvious symptoms are me expending excess energy, something I already have to do with my ADHD.
so ready for this!! Was looking forward to this since last episode. Day 3 of asking for you to react to 'The Fallout'! Its a movie from 2022 starring Jenna Ortega (Wednesday) and Maddie Ziegler going through and working through the trauma of witnessing a school shooting. Im very curious to hear your opinion on it, its a beautiful deep movie.
I hope she sees your comment!
My last surprise party thrown for me started a15 minute panic attack in the bathroom lol
Split the final episodes!!!! We need all the content we can get! ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
could you please do some kind of resolutions on the main relationships (wednesday and xavier, tayler, enid, bianca) and predictions on how they might work in the future
Nice touch of Wednesdays eyes tearing up as her face stayed confused.
Definitely, for sure, 100% separate the episodes! Anxiety & panic attacks are new to me, like in the last 4-5 years. I'm a divorced, 58 mother of 4 (adult kids) that has always had depression. I've been in /out of therapy most of my adult life. Still trying to figure out my triggers but when it happens, it's always full-blown. Short of breath, sweating profusely, heart racing, sometimes dizzy, sometimes I see white. It's so scary! I stopped working 05/18 because of it & am on SSDI. I do meditate, not as often as I should & do breathing techniques but they still happen. I was a psych major in college & really enjoy your videos, you are wonderful!!!
I used to have panic attacks during high school exams, I just didn't know they were panic attacks because they were silent, anxiety would come over me and my mind would go hazy. Over time I managed to "control" them by myself, also because I've never been able to turn to professional help.
Italian schools are among the most "severe" because they demand so much, often too much from students. I don't know a person who hasn't suffered from anxiety or panic attacks due to school. There are those who manage to move on "alone" and those who unfortunately carry on with this problem even in adulthood. I'd be curious to know what the long-term effects are, especially for those like me who have managed to suffocate / overcome this problem.😊
24:45 Jealousy too , I can feel it coming on and spout it out anyway, then I feel bad after
Enids dad was the unsung hero Enid needs!
You bring so many important things to light and you go into so much depth about the characters, so I'm super excited for your thoughts on the last two episodes!
As an ND I really appreciate your input. Makes me realize a lot about myself too. I've never had a therapist and I'm starting to think it might actually help me lots.
Thank you for your channel. I love the way you explain panic attacks. I have them on occasion and I am not the outward type. I close off, stare blankly, and just go numb. I do shake too, but not to where most would catch it in passing. It is hard for people to believe you when you are not showing what they see in movies and TV. The part at the end about defenses causing problams and see it afterwards is my life in a nutshell.
I‘ve been experiencing panic attacks regularly for the past two years, mostly regarding the death of my grandparents in 2021 and most of them were the full blown ones. Sometimes (aka most of the time) the attacks developed because of intrusive thoughts but sometimes, I would get triggered ‘randomly’. I had an extremely scary experience, were I was sitting in class and suddenly a random image of the corpse of my grandma in the mortuary flashed trough my mind, which led to me having to leave the room because I was about to collapse from hyperventilating. However, the silent ones were rare. Since the panic attacks are currently getting worse, I’m considering therapy and our family doctor already gave me phone numbers for different therapists in the area, but I think that I will still need some time until I can bring up the courage to seek for help.
Thanks for your awesome videos! You always light up my day! :D
Separate episodes, please 😊 I love all the insight you have for each episode. I learn a lot!
And thank you Doctor for always saying that you are glad we exist, I believe we all are also very glad you exist!
I hadn't realized that silent panic attacks were a thing. I hadn't realized I had them, but it explains a lot.
I have had 3 kinds of panic attacks; explosive anger outbursts, silent, and hyperventilating at different points
(Sorry for this double comment...!)
Very excited to see what you think about the last two episodes !
I found it super interesting to see how Enid cares for Wednesday , bit also isn't afraid of telling what she really thinks... somehow, this forces Wednesday to rethink their relationship and where all of this stand...
Wednesday was affected by this argument. I think her eyes where tearing.
I think this episode does develop dramatically their relationship as they separate, but as the separation make will make them rethink of all lf this. I do think it shows that Enid has her own limitation -- i mean, she does not accept everything, which is important and interesting.
The fact that she is very honest, is in a way just like Wednesday... but Enid is seeing more the bright side of things while Wednwsday is protecting herself, distant, has maybe been used to be deceived and see the darker side, she is less naive.
They do complement each other very well...
Oof. I'm having a rough time at the moment and was totally fine, then got very emotional (not in a bad way) when you ended with "I'm so glad you exist". Thanks for doing these videos! I enjoy them a lot.
My manager at work told me I had to train someone or I'd be written up or possibly let go. As someone with pretty bad social anxiety, I was basically begging for weeks prior to not have to train someone. My manager kind if let it go, but on the day the new employee started, he brought me and the trainee together and left us alone, forcing me to engage and train them. I had to excuse myself and had 2 panic attacks back to back. I was hyperventilating, trying to hold back tears because I was at work. But I was full blown panicking. A friend who also works there gave me a spot to hide for awhile until I calmed down. I felt so betrayed by my manager, on top of the anxiety I already had. I was able to get through with training but it didn't go well, they needed to be trained by someone else in the end. Forcing someone to do something when they tell you they cannot is not going to help anyone. That was probably the worst panic attack(s) I've had.
Re: panic attacks, I used to have so many when I was a teenager. Sometimes I’d have 8+ in a day, and that’s when I was diagnosed with Panic Disorder - when I started panicking about my panic attacks. I was a junior in high school, and the school psychologist was really kind to me and gave me a pass to leave class to go to the school library (always empty except the librarian) or her little calm room she had set up whenever I had a panic attack.
I’ve always had silent panic attacks. It rings in my head like super loud tinnitus, and my anxieties bounce around in my head and it feels like they echo. I get dizzy and I get tunnel vision, my skin gets tingly, and it feels like I stop breathing. At first, it was like being frozen, but after so many panic attacks and help from that psychologist, I got to a point where I would feverishly write during them. My home life wasn’t great, so I also had to teach myself how to be responsive during panic attacks. I couldn’t have long, full conversations, but I could do something short and simple and seem fine. My panic attacks looked like a silent, calm, girl writing.
But, because nobody else could *tell* that’s how I felt and it looked like I was totally fine, my teachers started accusing me of skipping and abusing my panic pass. They would confront me in the library about “skipping” their class and since I was already in panic mode, it was nightmarish. I didn’t know how to explain myself, or make them understand. My brain turned into jello and I ended up always taking the punishment, which ended up being flunking my junior year almost entirely, after all except my psychology teacher decided to count my panic excuses as full absences, and then I had so many that I auto-failed based on days missed. It crushed me. I still don’t understand how so many teachers could see a student in all AP classes, who they knew had a rough home life and weekly meetings with the school psychologist and frequent panic attacks go from straight As to barely functioning and assume I was more of a trouble maker than I was just troubled and in need of more help. Regardless, I’m forever thankful for that school psychologist for standing up for me when not many others did.
I had a panic attack when I was meeting my adoptive parents for the first time and I couldn’t breathe bc I was holding my breath and I passed out. Terrible first impression on my part and that made me freak out even more
I usually have silent panic attacks, usually triggered by certain smells. I tried to get help back in uni, but since I didn't have an objectively traumatic event, my panic attacks were described as not real. There was no war in my lifetime (members of my family did harbor refugees during the Kosovo war, but I didn't experience any of it first hand), so no way that I could be traumatised.
So glad I found a professional who disagrees.
Great analysis so far, this has been a great series. You must do separate episodes, or you run the risk of having to edit out too much of either episode.
I have an almost constant state of anxiety attack. they show up as a sort of pins and needles in my brain and all over my body, a desperate sense of doom, a coldness, but I sweat too much in the warmth, and I just become extremely isolationist and uncomfortable and prone to crying. And I get these very very often, and they can last minutes, to hours, to days. I've had ones last a whole week before.
Pls Film the last two videos separate I would like it more this way
I have this issue, I don't like being the center of attention and surprise birthday parties are the worst.
notice, in that final scene, after the fight with Enid, Wednesday is sitting in the middle of the room, half on her side, and half on Enid's side. She is trying to reclaim some closeness to Enid after the fight, because she already misses her.
I’ve had both types of panic attacks. For some reason it helps when I say out loud that I’m having a panic attack.
I'd prefer to see the next 2 episodes individually(:
p.s. your videos are really helpful, thank you for your effort!
I look forward to your reviews. I would prefer it if you reacted to episode 7 & 8 separately. A lot goes on during those two and to combine reactions will feel crammed together.
Usually my panic attacks are outward but I sometimes have quiet ones. Especially if you're in a social setting and there is a standard to keep it together. Both are equally awful really
I mostly have typical outward PA but once I did have a quiet panic attack. My best friend and I were arguing at the same time that her music was playing in the room. I've gotten better since but back then I had a really hard time when other people's music was being played in a shared space. It made me feel really stressed and like I had no control over my environment. So to have an argument in that setting messed me up. I just crumpled silently on the bathroom floor. I couldn't move or speak and struggled to breathe. It was honestly so much worse than my normal panic attacks and I hope I never have another one like it again!
This episode is so good because it shows such character growth for Enid and for Wednesday (even though hers is just feeling unhappy about how she has pushed everyone too far and messed up her developing friendships). Your analysis felt so spot on and I think next episode will just confirm that for you too. I won't say more to spoil it though!
As for panic attacks, I have had 2 I can think of, and both times I was in the hospital. Once as a patient in an emergency situation and once as a visitor when my mother-in-law was terminally ill. It felt like a huge weight was on my chest, and I couldn't breath, and I felt like I wanted to cry and ask for help but couldn't, so I just sat there struggling to draw in breath (not gasping outright, but still struggling). It was the worst feeling, because I felt like I could do nothing to help myself, much less anyone else.
Separate episodes please & thank you! I love your takes and the way you discuss mental health is both informative as well as soothing - keep doing what you do ✨
Please separate episode commentaries! Love listening to your video commentaries, so informative and insightful. I am glad you exist.
Noo, not combined episodes! D: I've been enjoying the reaction and analysis of each episode by its own.
Amazing video as always!! 😊
Another classic Wednesday reaction! These are undoubtedly the best on CZcams!
Keep doing what you're doing... episode by episode.. I've already seen all eps but watching your reactions so far has opened up the show to me in a deeper way and I've loved it..its like a second binge but more thoughtful.. definetly see out all 8 eps..
WEDNESDAY ADDAMS STOLE MY HEART...
Please make the final two episodes in one please please I watch you all the time PLEASE😭
On the panick attack subject, I had them constantly in December and January of last year. They were mostly silent. I would have to many thoughts and everything was overwhelming, but I could only sit there and wait until I was too tired to keep panicking.
yes ive had panic attacks before and im actually just now learning more about them. i didnt know they could be silent, which is ironic bc i hold mine in. the times i had panic attacks i thought i was just really nervous and i thought panic attacks were these very severe attacks with the stereotypical hyperventilating in a bag and not being able to breath at all. glad i figured this out so i know for sure when i have them. ❤
Option 2: React individually! I also want to share that it was nice to hear how panic attacks looks different on everyone. I spent a long time experiencing panic attacks quietly but was not sure what they were because my family and friends would tell me a panic attack looked like something else.
For what is worth, I know of 1 panic attack I've had in my life. I have diagnosed conciliatory insomnia and borderline depression disorder (I don't know if they change the name in the DSM-5). I take drugs for both of those conditions, but sometimes the sleeping pills don't take full effect and I can't sleep. Now that the context is out of the way, it started with an overwhelming feeling of guilt, then transformed into fear, I felt like everybody who was going to die was gonna be my fault. It felt like my heart was racing in my throat at 200bpm and also felt I was going down the rabbit hole of the panic attack. With what little logical brain I had available, I started remembering the steps to "control" a panic attack. Started taking deep breaths, felt my carotid pulse to see if I needed to go to the hospital but it wasn't fast (no more than 100bpm) and just kept focusing on the sound of my deep breaths and the pulse on my neck. I'd say it took 10 minutes but I can't say for sure how long it was. It went away, a relaxed feeling came to my mind and decided to make myself a cup of tea. Some guilts emotions started to came to mind but I pulled an Enid and just told them "Get away from my head".
I like how you mention the strange behavior of the therapist. I thought I didn't like her attitude because I've had bad experiences with various psychologists that have made me mistrust even myself. I know it's for the good of the plot's sake but seeing your point of view makes me feel better about how she does her job.
There is a type of panic attack that is worse: the type you don't usually have. I don't typically have the silent ones so I always feel like I'm going to so much worse when I do have one.
I experienced an entire day of back to back panic attacks during my master's degree graduation months ago, both outward and silent. It's still very upsetting to think about even if everyone else wants me to move on.
I’d prefer you to film them separately! I love hearing your thoughts on these.
Using the coping mechanism of comparing intrusive thoughts to clouds or cars passing by just forever changed how I will handle my intrusive thoughts! I had a panic attack in my Uber home tonight cuz the driver locked the windows and I couldn’t roll mine down, thankfully I have PokémonGo as a huge distraction for when these attacks happen, but literally visualizing the intrusive thoughts as cars passing by would have helped tremendously, thank u so much!!!!!❤❤❤
Xavier didn't do anything to her, she was the one who invited him to the dance because she was caught spying on him.
My panic attacks tend to be silent suffering, but it feels like I should be screaming and freaking out appropriately . I wonder sometimes if I should actually let myself freak out instead of holding it in.
I don’t know whether mine was a panic attack or not but I have had situations where depression overwhelms me and it’s like someone hit pause and I just stand there.
Doc have you ever thought of doing a similar analysis of the show Jessica Jones? I’d love to see what commentary you have about those bunch of characters.
whenever I've gotten panic attacks I noticed I can get both either silent ones or loud ones. What changes is that I typically have the loud kind from outside stimuli, like when I'm suddenly phased with my phobias (spiders, heights) and I usually have silent ones when I'm lost in my head, like when I have flashbacks from my ptsd and I just freeze with my thoughts.
Also please do separate episodes! I love the one video per episode format and love when you explain things in so much detail!
Hm, it seems like things have gotten harder for Wednesday, let’s see how this will go.
Also, i wonder who took those photos?
I didn’t pick that up about Xavier doing that twice. I guess that’s what makes you the doctor. Lol. Nice pick up
Not sure if what I had was a panic attack, or a form of mental breakdown. Something I had to do at work wasn't going as it should, I was very nervous about not being able to finish.
I just started repeating the same sentence over and over. I don't remember what the sentence was anymore, or how or why it started, but I kept repeating it as I worked. I was close to the shift end (about thirty minutes) when it started and when my shift ended I just kept working and repeating the same sentence over and over for about fifteen minutes over my time. My hands started shaking and I dropped my equipment because of it. My mind seemed to cling to that opportunity and I left. I sat in my car repeating the same sentence for another fifteen minutes.
I kept doing it while my mind wanted me to stop. So I forced myself to, instead of the sentence, keep repeating "Stop!" to myself. Stop! Stop! Stop! but I couldn't stop. The only thing I could do was slow down the time in between each utterance. I slowed it down until they were some thirty seconds apart at which point I could actually stop. When I checked the time then, it was an hour after my shift ended. I sat in my car for another hour to calm down before driving home.
Only time that happened to me. Must be some twelve/thirteen years ago now.
I love the videos! Looking forward to the next (hopefully) two episodes!
Wednesday's behaviour reminds me of myself (especially at that age) so I kind of imagine how it feels: being unable to respond to people's emotions and feelings because you don't know how to open up (you've never done that before and you are afraid of it). And instead of trying (much like Enid's doing) you keep distancing from people still feeling bad about it and lonely at the same time (and simply unable to explain it to youself, what it is exactly that you feel). It can be especially hard if you usually rely only on yourself. People are very likely to misinterpret your behaviour as though you don't care.
I ,too like taxidermy. Like my hero :Ed Gien. But, not good at sewing. Not very crafty.
I get anxiety when shopping around large crowds . I shut down and get violent thoughts.
I just take a deep breath and walk away from the crowd, then I’m happy. And, a joy to be around with.
Great reaction and insight.
You’re awesome, keep it up 👍
Two episodes please.
My panick atacks tend to manefest as enraged screming fits.
little did she know she gave me free therapy. :'}
Also interesting how you talk about Wednesday getting lost in music whenever I play the piano then I get super sensitive even a single word from my piano teacher makes me flinch etc 😵💫
Panic attacks for me have included a mix of these (apart from just one occasion when it was all of these in one go lol) feeling trapped in the present time, massive tingling in my hands & feet as though they’re giant sparklers, forgetting to breathe (it must have been too microscopically shallow to be possible to notice any breathing), a feeling as though my insides were trying to attack me from the inside out, heightened senses.
When I feel anxious, I’ve found it helpful to pinpoint areas of me physically that are affected, so instead of keeping words in my mind such as “awful“, “etc, I try replacing those words with more objective ones such as “cold”, “tingly”, “tense”, “in this area”, “this shape”, “small” etc. When I’ve practised that sort of thing, it can help to wait for it to pass
I have watched a lot of these reactions to Wednesday, this one is really great giving us an insight into the minds of the characters. Also this is the first time I noticed that the second last photo taken by Wednesdays stalker is of Wednesday, Enid and Tyler in the car as they set of for the Gates Mansion where Wednesday picks up the box containing those photos. So the stalker had to get to the mansion first to place the pictures in the box... Intriguing!
I have ocd, I have panic attacks over the smallest things. So many of the times that I have had a panic attack have been with people. I have panic attacks while I’m socializing, while I’m about to sleep, while I’m at school, while I’m doing nothing, and they’re all silent, so until today I thought calling my moments panic attacks were not quite right. (though I still deep inside knew, so I still did, lol) it feels so good to be validated.
The last 2 episodes in separate vids is great! There's so much to get into. Also glad you seemed to know what a snood is cause it seems most people don't nowadays. I think every other reaction to this episode that I saw they spent 5 minutes saying "What's a snood? Oh, it's a scarf? Why not just say scarf?" Made me feel my age & I'm only 51! Enid's handmade snood/scarf combo obviously wasn't Wednesday's style but at least she didn't outright reject it & wouldn't hurt Enid's feelings over it. But as you discussed, she then ruined it by lying & using Enid & Tyler to do what she wanted instead of actually engaging with them.
Please do in 2 episodes, I really look forward to this.
For anxiety, I have them often but have worked hard on finding mechanisms that help. Most times, it's silent attacks, but every once in a while, I have full breakdowns and find it very hard to breath and think. I am usually aware if one is coming and will separate myself from others to deal with it. I know most will mean well, but don't like burdening people or being coddled. Usually, stopping, sitting in a quiet space and just breathing helps. Sometimes this helps quickly and other times, will take a little longer.
My only thought is, when someone is helping another who is in an anxiety attacks, to find out what they need or just stay quiet till they are ready to continue with the day. I have many amazing people in my life that suffer from anxiety like me or have other health issues like depression and bi polar. Everyone is unique in what they need. One rule of thumb I always keep, is to never discredit their emotions, they are real in the moment.
After your commentary on thoughts as clouds passing by, I'd be really curious to see just a brief reaction to "Here Comes a Thought" from Steven Universe!
18:48 "our mind can't be clear, it's not possible"
21:00 "your mind ends up going completely blank"
Good point! We can’t consciously make it blank, but if our unconscious defenses make it happen, it’s possible. I appreciate the catch! 🫣❤️
You know, this is one place where her (the therapist) being quietly there, would be good thing for Wednesday. Wednesday Addams has been trying to set a separation between herself and everyone else. A partner in the silence would have been good for Wednesday. Wednesday shows she wants connection, but by putting a reason (working with her friend's moms) once again put the logic before the emotion. With that said, I 1000% agree with you about expressing that she's working with others. BAD therapist, indeed.
thanks for the great series!:) I’d love to see two different episodes for the last two.