What People Get WRONG About EV Charging
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- čas přidán 4. 05. 2024
- The more I travel around looking into EV charging, the more I see what people get wrong. And a lot of the time, it seems like people are intent on wasting their money. So to find out how to save money and make things easier, stick around as Dave Takes It On.
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Some of the people charging will be claiming a reimbursement from an employer and don't care about the cost. It's the same with motorway services petrol and diesel, business users might be less inclined to seek nearby cheaper supermarket fuel.
Having driven a company vehicle for nearly 4 decades, I ALWAYS look for the cheapest fuel.
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The less I cost the company, the safer my job.
(And/ or the more likely *I* might benefit when I suggest a pay rise)
@@rogerstarkey5390 not all think like that thya just dont care.
Not everyone keeps up with developments. I'm pretty sure those customers have no idea they can charge at Tesla or that it's cheaper.
I visited the NEC last week and had planned to charge in teh new EV charging car park, and they wanted 59p per Kw for 7.4 chargers and you have to pay for parking as well (£18 approx). So following the your advice I went 10 min down the road to the Tesla centre at Solihull and paid 44p for 20 min and got all the charge I needed for my return journey and it only cost me £7.85. This was done automatically by the "ABRP" app. Just a little bit of homework and planning. easy.
Be careful at the NEC. Their fast chargers... aren't. I left my ipace on the 300kw chargers expecting 75 maybe 85 kW as mine takes 100kw. However only got 20kw. Yet was still charged the premium 80p per kwh. I wasn't sharing a charger and I plugged in at under 10% SOC.
Yep NEC really dropped the ball there in my opinion.
Something wrong with your ipace then
Just another hour out of your day, easy.
I myself am one of these people. I use public chargers around 2 to 4 times per year. Because I use it so infrequently I simply do not care about price. If there was a charger in the same place I would obviously detour but I would generally pick based on who has the most 150kw+ changeds
Here here
Dave, I think something you're missing is most people don't use these things 'that' often. Currently (at the relatively early stages of EV adoption), most people charge at home.
On those rare times they need to rapid charge, having nice facilities trumps cost. In my case I'd probably rapid charge five or six times a year, and even at 85p it's still not 'that' different to brimming with diesel.
Now, if you need to use public charging all / much of the time, totally agree, you need to shop around and be aware of what's out there.
For me though: I don't really care, I'm on holiday, save hard all through the rest of the year so I'll go to wherever is the nicest with the best facilities.
As with the whole ICE / EV thing, horses for courses and everyone's different.
Btw, lots of new EV drivers out there, so I guess initially a lot will simply be pleased to tick off a successful charge, then as time goes on, refine charging to their precise needs.
I'm intrigued by the 'company car' mind - I used to find, going back a few years, that my colleagues would happily fill with petrol/diesel on motorway services, while I would dive into supermarkets, simply because the company was paying. Is that what is happening with EVs?
Yes. A Morrisons charger I drive past sometimes often has utility vehicles charging. I saw a couple of iPace cars at an expensive set of chargers and they were driven by a couple of estate agents who had them as company cars. The firm paid so they did not care. So yes that mindset is still there.
It's also conceivable that they get a corporate rate, and the public rate is kept high to keep the chargers free for the corporate users.
You’ve got half an hour for lunch, plug in, charge, eat, use the toilet, join the free Wi-Fi and catch up with some emails.
And it's not as if everyone else had not had the same idea......
Or.
You get an hour for lunch (standard) but take.... 34-40 minutes? (Btw, AKA "Unpaid overtime") you pull in, go to the toilet, get your food , drive 100m use the company internet data plan (which you have anyway) and next time you're in the office let the boss know you saved the company £17.50 while eating lunch and it would be really great if they let you and others claim their lunch on expenses to encourage the practice....
If you have .... 10? employees "in the field" and they use a "well known fast food outlet" 2-3 times each week on average, worth 75% of those having a similar situation.....
That's a potential saving for the company of £250-£300 per week *after* they pay for a £5 meal.
Plus they might claim VAT on that?
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(Speaking as a bonafide field service tech (yeah, really) I can say that it could work)
And I'll have driven forty miles.
the macmaster uses them makes for a good click bait video😜👍
I'm looking forward to the next video, Barrow to Southend using about half a dozen Superchargers. I'm interested to see the narrative.
This week, we've done Derby to Calais... Zero extra charges from home. Two subsequent charges to Switzerland while we are. One further overnight then onto Italy. Trivial.
I was visiting Preston town centre this lunchtime. I parked in the bus station car park where I spotted an ‘OVO” or is it BP Polar? I tried and tried, but couldn’t get them to work. Tried Octopus Electroverse, Nothing worked!!!!
Why O’why can I not just use my contactless bank card? It’s ridiculous.
Plug and charge is so nice. Saves all this.
Downloaded the Tesla app and travelled to Flint to the "open to all" charging facility . Couldn't get a signal ,do couldn"t charge .
Went to Celtic Manor which is another Tesla open site . Got a signal in the Hotel but not in the charging area . Again , no
charge . Just give me a contactless
Charger, for any price !!!!!
It's the same mentality as why pay McDonald's prices when you can get a sandwich for half the price in the nearby Asda. Lazyness or Chademo users
I dont think people realise that 50kWh at 25p is £12.50 and at 85p its £42.50. They just dont realise the difference is so huge. Just throwing away £30...
It is very rare I pay more than 7p/kWh
They also don’t consider how much diesel and petrol costs!
They only just opened to all in Bristol people haven't twigged yet
I’m always amazed that if you ask someone how much they spend per month on fuel for ICE cars they almost never know! Obviously I then show them my app and it usually either pisses then right off, or blows their mind and they start looking at what they’re using. 😁 always happy to help!
And how far is that 42,50 going to get you? No where near as far as the same price in petrol diesel
The problem is that most non Tesla EV’s don’t tend to direct you to the Tesla superchargers yet. With Polestar I’m annoyed that the Google Automotive hasn’t updated yet, especially as I pay less than a Tesla driver now (apart from the freebie ones) to charge at a supercharger with the Polestar subscription.
Maybe people don't like ensuring that there are 2 spaces next to each other so that the cable will reach to your right side charge port? Or they have 800v EVs which Tesla will only charge at half speed? Or their preconditioning doesn't support Tesla charge points as they are not included in their EV's satnav?
I would guess for some cars its the physical praticality of getting on the earlier Tesla chargers, i have a MG4 with the charge port on the back left side and i have problems getting the cable connected on some of the Tesla chargers
I used to do a regular-ish 350 mile day trip from Watford to Cardiff and back when one of my children was a university there.
I'm cheap.
Depending on who and how many were coming or going, We used to use 2 bay by JLP and we would do wagamamas after McD moved out of Cribbs, and then when Lysander Road opened with more bays, that became the prefered stop, so I could plug in at Lysander Road and WALK across the road, pass the AutoGlass place that was always closed, to McD to use their loo and get food while charging, then walk back.
All it takes is a bit of thought and an interest in not throwing away money, great story
It's not their fault, they are just not informed. Keep spreading the word.
Could be business drivers who don't care! But in general you're right, mainly people are lazy.
When I got my Mokka told salesman I was going to use Tesla supercharger and he said it won’t work as they are not compatible! I’ve used them since Feb ! A lot of people don’t know and some like Honda ev seem to have an issue on DC chargers
I can't speak for Electrovolt specifically, however as someone who leases an non-Tesla EV I get a few hundred quids worth of charging credit to use on the road. Maybe this is what people are doing before spending with their own wallet?
Signposting - it’s appalling in most places. We need mandatory signs for prices displayed like they are at petrol stations and that includes Tesla. I’ve used the Superchargers here as I pass by here on the M5 and you’re right, people just go into McDonalds and are oblivious to paying double or more.
They only signpost at petrol stations because you cannot find the price any other way.
@@davetakesitonactually the price of petrol/super unleaded and diesel is on every single pump at a petrol station too sooo yeah!?
Nissan owner here . We can't charge at Teslasuperchargers no chademo
Wrong, you could if you could justify the cost of the adaptor!
Maybe they want to park up and eat in the restaurant, maybe they don't want to walk across in the rain and cold and sit in their car eating, maybe they don't realise those particular Tesla chargers are open to all, maybe they've got six kids and by the time they've paid for all their food the charging cost is irrelevant
Maybe £42.50 at Instavolt is trivial to you when you could pay £12.50. Not sure many would agree. PS it was sunny when I was there
@@davetakesiton maybe they're just passing through and they're used to instavolt so they're sticking with what they know, maybe they'd feel guilty if they have to use two Tesla spaces because their charging port is on the wrong side, maybe they're tired and they can't be bothered, maybe they don't want to give Tesla money because they think Elon is a dick... Point is, there's a hundred reasons why they'd use those chargers, everyone's situation is different
Some apps don’t distinguish Tesla superchargers open to all vs non-open ones. So depending on satnav integration etc. they might be directed to that charger. Luckily Zapmap does distinguish the two
@@karlwest437
WHY would you walk across the road?
Park at the McD.
(Or drive through)
Get the food, then DRIVE across.
(Kinda like Dave did?)
For that big of a price difference, it seems worth the extra effort to walk across the road. Or, even if the cheaper place was a couple miles away, so you couldn't walk, you can always just get the food while not charging, then drive over and sit in the car while it charges. Less time-efficient, but if the financial savings is big enough, may be worth it.
A shame there are no cheap options for Chademo cars. :(
Luckily I don't need to do many long journeys these days.
My local Nissan dealer offers free charging for Chademo. I often see vehicles parked on the path outside of a night when the dealership is closed. They stretch the cable as it reaches to the road, lol 😆
If people are willing to pay "silly enough to pay 85p per kWh, then quite clearly they are not over priced. Let's hope that that 40+p per kWh profit is enough for is instavolt maintain and expand their network.
I could understand if the cars were 800v architecture. If I understand correctly, the max charging rate is well below 150kwh on a Tesla supercharger!
You’re correct. The Tesla charger will only deliver 420 volts / 100 amps = 42 to my Kia ev6. Any other site can deliver 800 volts.
@@tomm5936 what speed do you get of a Tesla v4 which I believe can supply up to 1000v?
@@grantrandall1674 I live in Denmark and I don’t know that there are any in Denmark or the places I have been in Germany since they started installing them. If you know how to find them please share how. I believe I will only get the same 42 kw until Tesla upgrades the chargers (the cabinets) and not just the dispensers. The chargers are still v3 everywhere as far as I have been able to figure out. There’s no 800v from a v3 charger. The dispenser doesn’t matter. Tesla Björn in Norway has taken an 800v car to one of these v4 sites and got dismal performance which I believe is because it’s a v3 charger. I follow the Out Of Spec channel where Kyle has said many times there are no true v4 sites in the world (he’s based in the U.S. but travels to Europe regularly and follows the developments here too). He spends a lot of time on charging which is a huge problem in the U.S.
@@grantrandall1674 I live in Denmark and sometimes go to Germany and that’s it. As far as I know we have none of those v4 locations. If you know of any way to find them please share. Even if we had them it wouldn’t make a difference. They are v4 dispensers but the charger, software etc is all v3 and still only 400v. Tesla v2 will give me about 100kw, the issue is only v3 sites, I have tried a few. I cannot figure out why v3 will only give the 420v/100amps.
@@tomm5936 Thanks. No I don't know how to locate v4s!
of course if you are on expenses and travelling for work I suspect cost is not an issue
Some people have more money than sense IMO. Perhaps its the fact I'm a Yorkshireman but this is crazy
It's the equivalent of paying double for a litre of fuel. No one would pay £3 a litre especially when just around the corner you could get the same fuel for £1.50
Some definitely would if they had to walk around the corner to do so. I have two large waste bins near to where I live. The first is overfilled and rubbish in bags are left next to it. A second bin about 4 inches away usually remains near empty until just before bin collection day. There is no limit to how lazy people are or how much they will pay to prevent having to walk as little as two steps.
@mbak7801 soooooo true I have that exact same problem weekly with my communal bins
The Polestar might have had lots of Octopus Electroverse credit to use up which you can use at Instavolt and not at Tesla.
Were Jaguar a charge partner with Instavolt, honest can't remember but something in the back of my mind says they were. So the iPace might not be paying 85p either but something like 55p, which I grant you is still more than the Tesla option.
But I suspect they are probably company cars and don't care about pricing as many have already pointed out.
Those superchargers haven’t been open (to all) for long. I guess that at least a few of them haven’t realised yet.
Yeah and with that in mind if they are locals they have probably checked before and found they where not open to all and therefore use the available alternative
One issue with the older Tesla chargers is, as a BMW driver (applies to other brands too), I would have to park in the bay to the right and therefore block two bays / chargers due to the charging port location and short cable.
I wholly agree. I have an IONIQ 5, charging port on the right. I also have a Tesla app as I have a Tesla Powerwall (home battery). The app is great for showing available chargers, BUT they are all listed by KW capacity. Tesla V3 & V4 are both 250kw!!! V4 are the only chargers suitable for my car. WHY O WHY don’t Tesla show V4 on there app?
There’s a challenge for Dave. Get Tesla to list V4 chargers, open to all, in their app.
We accept that so ask politely that you avoid peak times
Even on our Hyundai Kona (other halfs car) I drive an Ioniq with the charging port at the front as long as you don't pull alongside the charger and actually pull up to, slightly off. It fits no trouble at all, even using a V2 or V3
@@davetakesitonYes I accept that. But that is a work around and not getting to the route issue. I only public charge on long journeys so would charge during the day.
That wouldn't bother me, I'd happily block the chargers for tesla drivers. Especially if they are all as up their own ar$es as much as Dave is
EVs are touted as being cheaper to run than Fossils. But my fossil car costs about 14p per mile to run. If I used an Instavolt for the other one, the price per mile would be 17 - 22p per mile. So no way am I going there. PodPoint 50kwh chargers are 62p per kwh, which puts them on a par with petrol. Their 7kwh chargers are 44p per kwh, so I'm paying 10p or less per mile. Home is either 26p per kwh, therefore 5-6p per mile, or Zero when the sun is shining and I trickle charge. Most of my charging is done at home, which brings the average way down. EV chargers will only start being competitive when people do price comparisons like with traditional petrol stations.
That puts you on Standard variable rate, with solar at home ?
O.....K
People really need to learn to consider public chargers as they would a service station for petrol, not to be used unless necessary full stop
I'm pretty sure people with EVs who are unable to charge at home do do price comparisons. The issue is that for people who usually charge at home, but occasionally need to charge away from home are not familiar enough with public charging to have a reasonable feel for what the options are or where to charge, they just go wherever their phone app or in-car navigation tells them to go and pay whatever it costs. If the EV navigation software were smart enough to compare prices like phone apps do to look for gas stations, that would help a lot. But, as far as I now, such software usually focuses on things such as charging speeds and wait times, while ignoring the price.
Well, in that case, those other Networks will (or should) be recieving pressure from either their shareholders, the Government, or both?
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If Tesla becomes that popular, those others wil not be .... "Profitable"?
I have downloaded the tesla app Im a non tesla user.. i have created an account, however for some reason it doesn’t show chargers for non-tesla like you showed on a previous post.. any ideas why?
I’d love to use a Tesla supercharger, I just checked, Northern Ireland has zero open to all. My closest is 161Km away in the Republic of Ireland or 162Km away in Scotland. 😢
Wow that's worse than mine, top 3 are 43km away for me
I'm in the ROI and nearest Tesla charger is just over 100km away (not open to non Tesla's). Nearest open to all is over 150km away. We have a load of Tesla Taxis here as they get reduced vehicle taxes for EVs and they have no Tesla charger within 100km .... Not an issue if you can charge at home or have a decent rate at Ionity charger (33 km away) but...
There literally IS such a thing as "a free lunch"!
IF you think about it.
When I got my EV it did not come with any instructions on how to find chargers. Or instructions how to use Apple play (the phone has to be physically plugged in). I would imagine most users of instavolt do not know that Tesla have opened up some of their chargers. Or think their car is not compatible. Or know where the open chargers are located, or know the price structure. Many people are not nerds and think chargers are like petrol stations, go to the nearest and fill up. Very few actually look at the petrol prices charged. They are not stupid but taking time to work these things out is not a life priority. They are used to putting £80s of fuel into a car so do not bother to reduce that to £40 or less. Especially if it means walking a hundred yards or so.
Well if that's your thought and theirs,go back to ice then. I did some research into ev my wife was very negative as was worried but after spending 80 a week on my petrol vw tiguan and switching to our skoda enyaq 80,even with our normal ev tariff(0.23 pkwh)@home still only use around 30-35 a week at home. Its not hard to type into tesla,set the app onto phone set payment details on and away you go.
which app are you using? I've had evs for 8 years, so whilst I know Tesla have opened some superchargers to all cars, I was under the impression there were very few that had been opened up.
I followed your advice and tried the Tesla Superchargers at Newport. It was relatively cheap, at 53p/kWh, but very slow at only 35 kW. These are 250 kW chargers. My Ford Mustang Mach-E normally gets 90-100 kW at Instavolt, Fastned, Ionity, etc. There were no cars charging either side of me. What went wrong? Should I have contacted Tesla technical support?
I would love to use superchargers open to all but Tesla’s sign up got half way through signing me up then wouldn’t recognise my billing address. It thought I was in Norway when I’m in the U.K. and the option to change the country is greyed out so once I add my postcode it tells me that it doesn’t exist so won’t accept me. I’m headed south from Central Scotland so accessing the open to all S/C’s would be useful especially as there is an open to all V3 S/C near my destination I would not be able to use as there’s no card reader on a V3 even though it’s really pretty inexpensive to use.
What you need to do is swap your model S for my MG4 for a month and see how many times you charge on a non Tesla charge I use them as much as I can but sometimes it's just more convenient to pay the higher price especially in the West country 😊
Italy today, I had plenty of charge to arrive at destination but figured having a good top up would be helpful, knowing that the local chargers were 11kW jobs.
Plugged in nearest high power charger 20 miles out, paid €0.88. This was selected on the hoof as it were, while driving. It is what it is, just like the money we'll spend on eating out.
Reading the comments below Dave, it would seem we still have a long way to go, standardising which side the charging port is located, and chargers to match. Software issues also play apart, and thats before you've got to knowing the unit price for that site. For our fossil fuel friends they just get a simple roadside signage displaying all you need to know. Now its all hiden away behind tiny little screens they call convience, just so long as you have a signal.
If Tesla would just use longer cables like all other stations it wouldn’t be a problem
To be fair Dave, the I am sure the Bristol ones are freshly made public ones, hardly fair to get all irate about these, but yes, why people don't check the Tesla app before hooking up to anything expensive I will never know. I bet these people would have driven past a petrol station to save 1p per litre though!
Wait till the summer rush to Cornwall when all the Telsa chargers at Bristol are full of non-Tesla EV’s ! The Tesla owners will not be happy with your recommendations Dave !!
Did you approach the person charging while you were filming? What did they say? Were they simply unaware of the Tesla supercharger location? What did they use to find the charger?
No, I didn't on this occasion. I don't always have time when I'm filming
How do you tell which stations non Tesla cars can use? I must be reading the app wrong as the app says the nearest station for me is The Trafford Center! I live near Northwich!
no you are correct, you are midway between Trentham Gardens, Flint Mountain and Trafford Centre. Have patience, the scheme only started last year, plenty more on the way, over 20 added in the UK this year so far, unfortunately none yet near you.
@@davetakesiton Thanks. I don't have my new EV yet. Trying to understand the apps and setup in advance. I find your videos very helpful Thanks
@@salan3be sure to watch his older videos they where much better than the recent trash
We use the Tesla chargers in Bristol with our ID3 . It’s a four mile round trip for us. Worth doing as we have an InstaVolt a minute from us 85p. Local council 22kw 55p. Pod point 1 mile away 65p . It’s a non brainier for us.
I do 12 miles to the Tesla superchargers and 12 miles back after. I do live in the middle of nowhere. I tend to unplug at about 90% and then get home with about 87-88% left. This is 290-300 miles of range. More than enough for my week ahead. I only charge once a week on average (no off street parking at home) I am due to move very soon to a house with a driveway so I will look at option an it will be easier. However when I'm out I will still only use the cheapest chargers about, this is normally Tesla tbh. The other CPO's need to learn if they are going to charge 69p or even 79p per kwh. (I have seen 88p) I just won't use them. Its pure greed and a total rip off. Even some local councils now charge 69p for lamp post chargers they are only 3.5 or 7kw, it is absolutely ridiculous! If we want cleaner air in our towns for our kids we should encourage people without off street parking to also adopt EV's if they want to. Without being mugged off.
Good stuff, I'm preaching to the converted
I even drove 28 miles from Liverpool to the Tesla supercharger in The Trafford centre in my Renault Mégane eTech and paid 24 pence pkwh, put 43kw in and cost me around £10, well worth the journey even though it seems extreme to make that journey to save money.
Another comment from me Dave. I’m not a Tesla owner and I’ve just downloaded the app. I don’t see any information about how to use it. An explainer video from you would be really helpful please.
Do I need to register to use the chargers or can I use as a guest? How do I establish which chargers are open to non Tesla drivers? Can I plan a journey in the same way as a Tesla driver does?
You need to make a profile and enter credit or debit card info. You will only see chargers open to non Tesla.
@@tomm5936 Thank you!
As someone who drives for business, i will charge where is convenient for me rather than the price as i dont pay the bill
As someone who drives for business I will ALWAYS choose the most convenient AND cheapest (basically try not to be a "DH"?)
IF you use your brain, the two normally coincide anyway.
@@rogerstarkey5390 not usually on motorway runs vs the local garage. If i have 200 mile to go, im not messing about looking for a cheap garage off the motorway, im using whats there and get on my way
I would guess someone who doesn’t shop around is having their bill paid for them
I accept that the Tesla site would give you great savings if they were open to all, but is the plug identical to a normal CCS plug or would we need some sort of adapter
Yes, they're CCS as well on the open to all superchargers
CCS2 is CCS2 so fits all. No adapter needed
The cars which can't charge have old firmware.
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The issue is the manufacturer may charge to update.
They don’t want to pay the monthly subscription and not all are open.
Fora single charge of 50kWh Your choice a) Pay InstaVolt £42.50 to charge. b) Pay Tesla £21.49 to become member for one month and charge. Which do you choose?
Can you just be a member for a month or do you have to subscribe for 12 ?
@@nigelgreen2684 in Ireland it’s 10€ month or 100 a year, only 3 obscure quiet stations though.
Dave buying electricity from these expensive places is like buying milk from the garage, its convenience over cost even if thats 10-20£ more expensive. Have you seen the cost of new EVs😉?
@@nigelgreen2684
Maybe it's worth "looking"?
We have a peugeot e-rifter. It's our 3rd electric car. Try as I may, I cannot find a Tesla charger, and what's more, whether it's open to all! I did find one in Leeds (20 miles away) but still doesn't say whether it's open to all. Maybe I'm doing something wrong? Perhaps you could try finding Tesla chargers open to all using someone else's phone that doesn't own a Tesla and isn't a member? Love you're show by the way 😊
They are rather sparse in some areas, I don't have any near me but I'm bearing them in mind for journeys. The Tesla app only shows open-to-all chargers, if you don't have a Tesla car. It shows four bays in Leeds, two more a bit to the north, so not very many around there it seems
You DO know you don't have to be "a member" to use the Tesla app?
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I suspect you've never really TRIED.
@@GeorgeFoot thanks for the info George. Until someone tells you that fact, you don't know and although I suspected that was the case, I couldn't see anywhere that gave the information you just gave. So thanks again for your sensible comment. 👍
@@rogerstarkey5390 a bit rude but thanks for your time Roger.😁
I have just joined the Tesla charging scheme paid the £8:99 and charged up at Carmarthen and had to pay a parking charge and still managed to save about £8:00.
Another convert, it’s great saving money and finding reliable chargers
Tesla doesn't work well with 800V cars like Kia and Hyundai. My experience is they shut off almost immediately but even those getting them working they only run at about 36kW. Maybe v4 works?
You mean "Kia Hyundai don't work well with Tesla Superchargers"?
Chicken/ Egg?
Which was first?
Oh!
The v4 locations have different posts but everything behind from the charger to the software is still v3. There will be no difference until Tesla puts up v4 chargers if that ever happens.
Many EVs don’t have the Tesla chargers in the navigation systems because they were not open to non Teslas. How should people know they can use Tesla and that they can save money.
They don’t know because they don’t know!
I am currently 42-43km away from the 3 closest open to all tesla chargers, please Dave tell me how im better off using those !
Same for me today, choice was supercharger 49km away or just suck up and use the local 50kW charger, where I gave up after a while since getting only 36kW. Tesla Superchargers are intended for enroute charging though, they're not intended to be at every local supermarket etc. for people who don't have home charging.
I've got a similar distance to deal with. But I would only use a public charger of any kind if I was doing a journey that was beyond my range.I wouid then use a Tesla charger en route Even at the lowest Tesla rate its far cheaper for me to charge at home. For the time being running an EV when you don't have home charger access, is not practical.
Dave, it’s a ‘no-brainer’ if, a) people are aware that there are Tesla chargers open to all - not everyone is and b) you’ve got one nearby - not everyone has.
Try finding one in South or North Yorkshire for example.
Your argument is valid but you can’t include everyone in it.
Drivers in the areas where there is a choice between dearer chargers and Open to All Tesla chargers are extremely lucky, we're not that lucky in South Yorkshire where any Tesla Superchargers let alone open to all chargers are as rare as hens teeth.
Been driving BEV for 5 years and never used a Instavolt charger due price.
Driven over 30k miles in my mg4 and never used a tesla charger cos there are never any open to all available anywhere near me
Just a quick question as at looks like you are there during the day, not between midnight and 4am. So prices for Tesla would be 40p or 54p.
I would imagine people are wanting to use McDonalds and just plug in. Many of us are cost conscious and would have gone to the cheapest filling stations pre EV, but others seemed not to care about the price, just the convenience. People will always go for the easy route, unless like you and I, we are midful of costs!
Then business users will be in the I don't care bracket, just wanting to be charged up.
No, Jay, between 4am and 10am it’s 25p. Peak is between 10am and 5pm at 40p for me and 54p for non Tesla non-members. After 5pm it drops to 32p for me.
@@davetakesiton Thanks, it was just in the video you spoke of it being 22p or 30p for non members. So that would have been the time I mentioned. If you were there before 10amobviously the 25p as you say. Out of interest, what happens if you plug in at 9.50 am and charge until 10.10 am, does it charge 10 mins at each price bracket?
some have A car from there Employe and then they dont care what thy pay becuse they dont pay. and another Reason could be that they actualy dont know Tesla is open to all and third If the Charging provider dont show there prices Clerly at the sit people dont know it is Cheper on the other side of the road.
So they never cost as much as an insta volt even at top rate.
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Dave, I love you videos. Very informative and I know that you love Tesla's, OK fair enough. But when you sort of metaphorically push your chest out when saying that Teslas don't spend long at chargers because they have preconditioning rather implies that you think that others don't. Well they do. My Mégane certainly does and I imagine that most newer EVs do as well.😊
yes Brian but that is exactly what Elon said at the last investors day presentation. They have cut 25% off the charging time with pre-conditioning. Congrats to you if you have it and use it. Most don't.
@@davetakesiton That surprises me Dave. VW, Kia, Peugeot plus all the luxury models don't have it?
If I become a member of Tesla, can I use any Tesla charger? Can’t seem to get a definitive answer from their website.
No, apparently it's generally quieter sites that you can use.
Seems to me it's well worth registering anyway even if just as a back-up plan.
@@rusty911s2Not the " quieter" the newer.
As a member you have access to all Tesla superchargers that are open to non-Teslas. They are clearly marked on their website and are pre-loaded onto the free app. There is no confusion, if you use the app any supercharger displayed on there can be used by any member. If it's not on there, it's Teslas only.
Hi Dave, I think it is a tad unfair to be putting all the blame on the drivers when Tesla could be doing more about road side signage. Most people will be used to looking for petrol and service station signs on the roads to see nearest 'fill up' stops and there will head there.. road signs need to start showing EV charge locations and brands in the same way a service station tells you whther it has a Greggs, Macdonalds or KFC when it comes to food.
Absolutely, if you have a little Peugeot e208 run around and have no interest in Tesla why would you assume you can download their app and access their chargers? It's great that you can and perhaps there's a reason Tesla don't make a song and dance of it, but it's not the other driver's fault for not knowing.
Trouble is that I have just purchased a Hyundai Kona, and as you know, my charging port is not compatible with Tesla stations without offending other drivers
Chris H
Have you had any complaints? It might upset some people but the Tesla app suggests parking over the line if you have to, the graphic clearly shows the car blocking the adjacent bay
So much for the "CCS Consortium"
13 years and couldn't agree on a common port location.
So get offending
You just can't fix stupid - don't even try - they willl hate you for it.
Agreed. Let's just wait until the EVs fail in their masses and never speak about them again. Straight back to ICE
I only wish I could use Tesla chargers, my MG5 pre face-lift will not work on Tesla chargers and MG want £1000 to upgrade my car to be able to use them.
The open to all superchargers have CCS, why can't you car use CCS?
@@ziggarillo
Software handshake?
@rogerstarkey5390 yeah I think so, I've certainly heard its a common issue with the mg5
People just don’t know?
Do any EV include free charging?
Vauxhall Corsa and Astra offer one year free charging and many hotels and restaurants offer free charging to guests
While I get the education side on this. If people took notice, then you will find that Tesla chargers will get busier & other networks will stop installing as they are not seeing a return on their investment. I bet when you look in depth at Tesla costs for their locations. The vast majority cost peanuts, compared that instavolt @ McDonalds. Convivence costs & convivence is what people want. A coffee & a bite to eat while charging. Not as many Tesla chargers, nothing to do but sit in your car.
Hi John, the last Tesla superchargers I used; one has costa and Burger King, one was on a motorway services, one in a shopping village with about a dozen food places and 70+ shops, totally bored
Because people cannot be bothered to muck about just charge and go
Its nothing new, its always worked like that with Petrol/Diesel. People go to motorway services where the fuel is more expensive because its more convenient even though there might be cheaper fuel nearby.
But if you're eating, motorway services are LESS convenient...
I don't think Tesla Like Sunny Blackpool LOL
I understand some Tesla chargers are available to non-Tesla cars but this is not easily accessible information to most people
Rubbish. The information is a Google search away.
Tesla site.
From memory...
You can select
All chargers.
Destination chargers
Superchargers
Open access Superchargers
As the saying goes... "location, location, location"
You are assuming perfect knowledge. I bet if you had spoken to those drivers at McDonalds (although obviously I understand the desire to leave them alone) I bet you 100% either didn't know the Tesla chargers were there, or didn't know they could use them and therefore never investigated the prices
Yes Richard, I usually do talk to them and on one occasion a Tesla Model 3 driver at a Gridserve really did not know he could use the Tesla supercharger 100 feet away.
@@davetakesiton wow. That's an impressive display of ignorance from that driver. Amazes me how some people spend all that money without doing any research.
Tesla’s opened many more charges to the public now 60+
i wonder whats going to change no that Elon Musk has laid off all his super charger division
Don't read headlines.
Great video
The simple answer to why they’re not shopping around for their charging to get a better rate is there just stupid sounds crawl they’re stupid and to be honest here comes the curveball if you can afford to pay the stupid price for an EV you should be able to run itregardless of where you charge it because one thing they are not they are not cheap to buy. They are not cheap to maintain if you need a battery for whatever reason and they are not economically friendly regardless of the bull crap that people are sold
I never can understand people who keep saying batteries are expensive. We all get an 8 year warranty on battery and motors and most people never keep their cars 8 years, so it is a non problem made up by the media.
my MG 5 Long range can't access unlocked Tesla units
Lack of foresight by MG?
Well Okay but it’s probably the case that people weren’t aware of this, I wasn’t before watching the video. So thanks for the information but maybe change the narrative to something like ‘here’s some useful information you might not already be aware of’.
Hopefully at some point your stop saying open to all, They are not, My MG ZS Mk1 wont charge on then as wont older KIAs
HAPPY to meet you to show you. UNFORTUNATLY i wasted £8.99 on membership. POD POINT have reduced their prices by 10p a KW. The only reason Tesla are able to do such low prices is its subsidised by the cost of their cars.
BUT Please Dave stop saying open to all, its missleading and cost me £8.99 which i cant get back.
How about he changes it to "Not restricted to ANY"? Car compatiblity is a different issue, isn't there an update for the car?
Of people had common sense they wouldn't que in their cars to eat at McDonald's
If people start using their brains people power can bring the prices down
Bingo! just stop using the dear chargers
Dave, I think you should stop getting over excited about it. Tesla Superchargers ( except V4) are not suited for other cars that do not have charging ports in the same place as Teslas do. So out of respect and wasting 2 spaces for a tesla owner , i never use a Tesla supercharger. Many of my friends are sensible and sensitive like that. Its not always all about the money and hope you get that.
Most of the people I know who have a fully expensed car by way of a fuel card just don't care where they charge so long as it is on the fuel card, in fact I doubt the fuel card would even work with the Tesla chargers.
What i don't understand is how they justify charging 85p for charging, isn't ev supposed to be much cheaper than ice.
electricity is cheap
having to pay some consultants and council fees to get planning permission on removing 4 open parking spaces, to convert to EV charging, and getting a crew to dig up a car park and install concrete bases, and then install 4x £50,000 rapid chargers, and the new substation just out of sight, and the maintenance on that, and the cost of the (5 year?) rental agreement on that land is not cheap. and don't forget the DNO costs for installing a new half megawatt grid connection ..
and the wages of the call centre staff and of course ... salary for the senior management
at the moment, when 90% of EVs get 90% of their charing at home on cheap rate deals, and EV drivers only have to do this on the annual trip to see relatives at the other end of the country, then EVs do work out cheaper
It is if you can charge from home or work. Anywhere from 50% ICE to free. For me, since i track it, including charging away from home, it's been 15% the equivalent of a 40mpg petrol car over the last 3 years.
Something like 90% EV users can charge at home or work, so the occasional motorway petrol equivalent price (as this instavolt) isn't a big deal if its infrequent , though dave makes a good point, mighta s well save £30 if you can ! . Last 12 months Ive done 11k miles and charged away from home at this sort of price twice, and it's not just local miles ive done several 200-250 mile trips (one way so 400-500 return) but if you can charge at your destination then thats is normally nowhere near these prices.
@@RichardButlerUK yeah that's a really good point.
@@Joe-lb8qn yes and it's the reason I will be changing my ice for an EV at the end of this year. We also have solar panels and battery storage so in the summer months my charging at home will be totally free and in the winter it'll be 19p a kWh.
They don't need to justify it, if people choose to pay that amount, it's their choice.
85p per kwh and climbing,No more tesla superchargers being installed But but but ev's are the future and are cheaper to run😂😂😂
Wow where do you get your data from? No prices climbing several dropping and over 20 new open to all superchargers this year
@@davetakesiton the more people buy ev's the higher electricity will rise just like diesels 20 years ago.
@@davetakesitonHe gets it from Elon shit canning the supercharger team while simultaneously opening all to all.
So, in the old days "we will open up and expand carefully based on site demand" has suddenly, based on Elon having a tantrum becoming "I don't GAF about anyone".
All Superchargers open to all, where's the data monitoring now? No care given to load, free for all.
Cars taking up two stalls, version 2 sites open to all.
It's a complete shit show from here onwards.
Never used an EV. You couldn't pay me to have one either.
Bug off mate. When you get into a Tesla supercharger and you have to go somewhere else because its full of non Tesla's. If it happens to me I have a doll that looks like you now ready to stick pins in.
And another that looks like Elon.
I was at Calais last night. 6 stalls reduced to 3 because one Tesla w⚓ who camped all night without charging and another with an Audi taking two stalls, V2 chargers.
It would only take 3 wrong sided cars who didn't park smart to zero that site. Tesla would still indicate 3 free.
You spent 10 minutes on camera, huffing and puffing, and repeating yourself, and telling us how smart you are compared with others, but I didn't see you approach the people and ask why they were charging where they were, or explaining the other options available to them.
I understood you are here to educate with this channel, albeit, you miss out large parts of the bigger picture.
I appreciate you would probably come across as patronising and condescending to many people, but you could have at least made the effort.
Damn right he comes across as a condescending prick in most of his videos now
@@davelenderson yep - let his little channel go to his head...........self appointed 'expert' too!
Bistolians just don't care, one of my friends has got a company car, Duel motor model Y, says it's a glorified golf cart and there's no way to charge it on any long trip..and hes an engineer
Funny that, I've got a dual motor Model Y and we're currently on tour in Italy.
We did East Midlands to Calais without needing charge.
A 20 minute charge in France while we had breakfast, a 40 minute one (I had to extend it to give us time to eat) for lunch. People eat, weird that!
Charged overnight then across Switzerland and to our destination.
Basically, your friend is either stupid or talking out of his arse. (Not sure about the relevance of him being an "engineer" is?)
There is some SERIOUS cope on this channel. Why are EV sales cratoring? 😂😂😂
they aren't don't know what data you read, Oh sorry, the media?
Where on earth do you get your misinformation?
One of my cars is a supercharged Mercedes, with the Kompressor attached to a proper petrol engine. That’s the only supercharger worth bothering about. Even at 40p, running an average EV is more expensive than running an old car with an internal combustion engine.
EVs are simply a vehicle to get us off the road altogether, so we cannot drive anything, anywhere.
And I’ve got a box full of DVDs and VHS and audio cassettes that once were the latest tech but I now live stream any video or music that I want anywhere in the world. Anyone still got aDVD player? So restrictive and old school, nobody I know still uses them.
@@davetakesiton You need to check cassette tape prices and the trend about people cancelling streaming services. Your convenience of owning nothing is not as popular as you think it is. Also, it’s not a fair comparison with older petrol/diesel cars and EVs. If you insisted on the analogy, comparing CDs or something like SACD to purchasing the same music through iTunes or similar music service would be more appropriate. When I buy a CD for pennies now, I own the music and the physical media, which I could rip and convert to a digital file of my preference, whereas the same albums or tracks purchased on online platforms would depend on the service, software, copyright limitations and so on.
On these older cars I was referring to, cheap motoring also saved a lot of energy, materials and other resources wasted to produce a dull box that owners pay dearly for in running costs and depreciation just to save a bit of money in case they can charge at home during the night, subsidising that with their daily rate.
Not everyone wants to support Elon and his American company. They are clearly making money off cars so are able to offer EV charging cheaper. Government should step in and break up Tesla cars and Tesla charging as two separate entities. Otherwise its not possible for others to compete as its not an even playing field.
Idiot
Great idea, let's stop and break up every company that makes a profit. Shall we start with Apple, or Tesco, or Shell, maybe Barratt. Oh, wait, the government didn't break up Tesco but Aldi and Lidl managed to start up and make a profit.
@@davetakesitonYou are missing the point, I am talking about anti competitive behaviour from Tesla. They charge higher fee to non Tesla drivers and don't open up all chargers while taking government charging grants. Should be broken up. The reason they are cheaper is because their EV business is propping them up, where as other charging networks need to make profits from selling electricity. This has already happened to Microsoft, is currently happening to Apple and I am sure Tesla will be next.
@@JohnoEx Instavolt robbing anyone equally is OK for you, though? Do you work for them, or are only against Tesla?
Might also be off on the idea Tesla gets government grants, or that Tesla EVs are more expensive than legacy OEM's...
And Tesla cant make it pay. Theyve sacked the team running the network. EVs are a fad and have been found out