How many Apollo artifacts should we save?

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    In recent years NASA has demolished several major pieces of hardware which were used for the Apollo, Skylab, and Shuttle missions not because they wanted to but because they just didn't have the room to store them. At the same time artifacts from the most famous missions have been fetching higher and higher prices so in this video, we look at what we should be saving and what happens to the small stuff.
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  • @mattcolver1
    @mattcolver1 Před 11 měsíci +185

    I was tasked with reducing hardware storage costs at ULA. I inventoried all the stuff stored at multiple locations. Then a process of determining if the stuff was needed near term, long term or not at all. If it wasn't needed it got scrapped. Since we were finished with all production of Delta II rockets, only spare hardware that might need to be used as a repair or replacement item would be kept.There were some nice items not needed but might be nice to retain at a museum for historical purposes.
    For those items I called around to some space museums to see if they were interested. The catch was the museum would need to pay for any handling and transportation costs. There should be no cost to the company for giving the hardware away. None of the museums had the funding to even pick up the hardware. A Delta II second stage could probably be put in the back of a pick-up truck, but no takers. Most of it got scrapped. Thankfully A lot was "We might need this" and that resulted in the Delta II that now is on display at the Kennedy Space Center.

    • @lulumoon6942
      @lulumoon6942 Před 11 měsíci +12

      Proud Mosquito Beater here, thanks for making sure history was saved. Best to you.

    • @theethicsofliberty4642
      @theethicsofliberty4642 Před 11 měsíci +3

      👍

    • @hkr667
      @hkr667 Před 11 měsíci +10

      You would think in modern times there would be a few transport companies willing to transport for free for the publicity. Imagine the photos on socials of one of your branded trucks driving a second stage to a museum.

    • @TucsonDude
      @TucsonDude Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@hkr667 Maybe, but would you work for free?

    • @sylla2
      @sylla2 Před 11 měsíci +4

      ​@@TucsonDude , it wouldn't necessarily be "for free", if done smart. The value of the exposure could very well turn out to be greater than the actual costs.

  • @a-a-ronbrowser1486
    @a-a-ronbrowser1486 Před 11 měsíci +168

    It pains to say, but bravo Jeff. Getting the F1’s in a museum is pretty awesome.

    • @yassm
      @yassm Před 11 měsíci +3

      Why does it pain to say it?

    • @karliszauers1
      @karliszauers1 Před 11 měsíci +16

      ​@@yassmJeff's Blue Orgin hasn't exactly played nicely with the space community
      Patented barge landings and subsequently sued SpaceX
      Sued NASA for not being selected for 1st HLS contract
      Released a PR campaign against that HLS selection
      Rampant sexual discrimination inside Blue Orgin
      Signed contract to deliver BE-4 engines to ULA by 2017 - they were eventually delivered late 2022

    • @alexczech8468
      @alexczech8468 Před 11 měsíci +4

      even a dead clocks' right twice a day,

    • @alexczech8468
      @alexczech8468 Před 11 měsíci

      @@yassm because he runs a company that doesn't pay workers enough, pays millions of dollars to bust unions, and is a mega polluter killing the planet. Plus, it's generally considered what's known as a "dick move" to have hundreds of billions of dollars and spend it on whacky space rides instead of you know, like literally anything else.

    • @Cemi_Mhikku
      @Cemi_Mhikku Před 11 měsíci

      @@yassm Because Jeffy Bozos is one of the biggest pieces of human waste on the planet that isn't already pushing up daisies. You hear more about how much of a PoS Elon is because he can't seem to STFU if his life depended on it, but Jeffy lurks in the shadows out of the limelight, managing to be dramatically worse of a person. Also he's one of the most toxic examples of cutthroat capitalism out there today.

  • @JontyLevine
    @JontyLevine Před 11 měsíci +10

    I just hope they rescue Hubble when its mission is finally done and it closes its lens cap for the last time. It belongs in a museum, surrounded by a gallery of its photos. It was never meant to die in the atmosphere.

    • @johnhouston9764
      @johnhouston9764 Před 11 měsíci

      There is NO atmosphere in space😮 you didn't know????

    • @JontyLevine
      @JontyLevine Před 11 měsíci +7

      If Dragon doesn’t boost it to a higher orbit, and no other craft protects it for re-entry, then yes, it will burn up in the atmosphere.

    • @almostfm
      @almostfm Před 11 měsíci +3

      @@johnhouston9764 He's talking about it burning up on reentry.

    • @Casa-de-hongos
      @Casa-de-hongos Před 8 měsíci

      ​@@johnhouston9764Yes, there is. There is enough atmosphere in hubbles orbit to slow it down and deorbit it.

  • @bzuidgeest
    @bzuidgeest Před 11 měsíci +66

    Curious Marc channel really should have gotten a shout-out in this video. Considering how much Apollo stuff he restored recently. A real Apollo computer, communication equipment and related stuff.

    • @andymouse
      @andymouse Před 11 měsíci +3

      Absolutely !!!! I too have said so above ! thanks !

    • @Carlos_Rodrigo
      @Carlos_Rodrigo Před 11 měsíci +3

      I wrote a couple of lines explaning this too. I really hope he hear us on this regard !

    • @weirdwes6725
      @weirdwes6725 Před 11 měsíci +4

      Not to mention soyuz manual flight clock

    • @tomschmidt381
      @tomschmidt381 Před 11 měsíci +2

      Beat me to it. As a retired engineer watching them reverse engineer, with substantial NASA documentation has been fascinating. As mentioned they also were able to restore a Soyuz mechanical flight clock.

    • @bzuidgeest
      @bzuidgeest Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@weirdwes6725 yes but that was not really Apollo related like this video is.

  • @theJellyjoker
    @theJellyjoker Před 11 měsíci +145

    Whenever I hear about some agency or organization sending out a request and getting no response, I often wonder where they sent that request to? I never heard it. I get the feeling some guy in his office late at night said, "Is anyone interested?" to an empty room and then concluded that there was no interest so marked it as a failure.

    • @leftaroundabout
      @leftaroundabout Před 11 měsíci +40

      "Dear Earthlings, this is the Vogons speaking. As you know, the Earth is about to be demolished, we ... wait, you don't know? Well, the plans have been on display at the office on Proxima Centauri for years..."

    • @ronjon7942
      @ronjon7942 Před 11 měsíci +14

      I agree. I've not ever heard of a single request either. And how would we? There's no standard way of getting this information out to the public, and even if there were, how would we know when to look? This is a serious flaw in what I'm not even sure is a procedure.

    • @DJKinney
      @DJKinney Před 11 měsíci +8

      I heard about it. Are you a professional academic? I'm guessing not.

    • @paradiselost9946
      @paradiselost9946 Před 11 měsíci +13

      @@leftaroundabout you got it. plans were clearly displayed and accessible to the public for viewing on the 29th of february at 2AM EST in sub basement 7c of building F...

    • @twistedpixel2558
      @twistedpixel2558 Před 11 měsíci +2

      Nasa press conferences still get international coverage right?

  • @andymouse
    @andymouse Před 11 měsíci +35

    Very surprised you didn't mention Curious Marc !! him and his gang have very nearly completed the repair, test and use of the actual communications system between Earth and Apollo 11 including voice and TV plus other stuff !! they have incredible passion and should be honoured ! interesting vid though.....cheers.

    • @Carlos_Rodrigo
      @Carlos_Rodrigo Před 11 měsíci +4

      I thought the very same thing.

    • @CraigPetersen12f36b
      @CraigPetersen12f36b Před 11 měsíci +3

      Same here, as a test and measurement geek myself Marc and his band of fellow geeks have done an exceptional job of resurrecting this equipment, including the AGC.

    • @andymouse
      @andymouse Před 11 měsíci

      @@CraigPetersen12f36b Metrology FTW !

  • @Bilbosilius_Zwackelbaggins
    @Bilbosilius_Zwackelbaggins Před 11 měsíci +29

    NASA: "Hey. Do you want the MLP from which Apollo 11 launched?"
    Every Museum: "Yes!"
    NASA: "Great. You can pick it up any time. Just organize the transport and give us a heads up."
    Every Museum: "Oh... Suuuuure. Mmm..." *Sounds of footsteps, a door being opened, a car door being opened and shut, an engine getting started, a car driving away
    NASA: "Hello?"

  • @grahamwalker2312
    @grahamwalker2312 Před 11 měsíci +10

    While visiting Kennedy Space Centre in July 2001, my son and myself took one of the many tour buses. During the tour the bus passed some of the smaller engineering workshops near to the VAB. There - loose stacked and part cut-up - were the remnants oft the red steel umbilical tower structure. It seemed sad to see the remains of these iconic structures in such a state which I had originally watched on TV as a teenager - as they supported man's first missions to the moon in the late 60's and early 70's. For me they were the real history still to be viewed.

  • @stephenpage-murray7226
    @stephenpage-murray7226 Před 11 měsíci +32

    At Orroral Valley tracking station outside the Australian Capital Canberra, we used to support the ALSEP experiments installed by Apollo 12, 14, 15, 16, and 17 astronauts on the lunar surface. Always wondered what happened to the backup tapes we recorded on a daily basis…

    • @lulumoon6942
      @lulumoon6942 Před 11 měsíci +2

      The good bits have long since been destroyed, you can be sure.

    • @stephenpage-murray7226
      @stephenpage-murray7226 Před 11 měsíci +2

      @@lulumoon6942
      No, they weren’t but there were so many thousands of tapes storage was always an ongoing problem

    • @tracytrawick322
      @tracytrawick322 Před 11 měsíci +3

      ​@stephenpage-murray7226 When 20Gig was unimaginable, storage was not cheap. Far from it.

    • @craigmackay4909
      @craigmackay4909 Před 11 měsíci +1

      Where they seen a “ Santa Claus “ 🛸👽

    • @stephenpage-murray7226
      @stephenpage-murray7226 Před 11 měsíci

      @@craigmackay4909
      Unfortunately we didn’t

  • @RegebroRepairs
    @RegebroRepairs Před 11 měsíci +25

    Ugh... pretty much anything connected to Apollo 11 needs to be saved, because the longer time goes by, the more people will think it was impossible, so the things that made it possible must be saved.

    • @JurgenMB
      @JurgenMB Před 11 měsíci

      How do you know it was possible?

    • @almostfm
      @almostfm Před 11 měsíci +9

      @@JurgenMB The same reason I do-you have to not be science ignorant.

    • @Graham_Patch
      @Graham_Patch Před 9 měsíci

      You can't save everything.
      Believe me, I would love to see it all get saved, but it's impossible.

  • @darthgator639
    @darthgator639 Před 11 měsíci +5

    I think for these larger objects it would be nice to have it 3D scanned and photographed so it can live on in digital format for future generations to discover. Also nice as a reference when in the future people might wonder "How did we do that back then?". I'm a engineer and there are many occasions where I need to reverse engineer a part because the origin is lost to time.

  • @bryant3825
    @bryant3825 Před 11 měsíci +8

    Hi @Curious Droid, I am an Aerospace (Air and Space) Graduate from ERAU (Go Eagles!). I have to say your documentaries of Aircraft, Spacecraft and Rockets are fantastic! Always love the more educated and humble way you present the topics. Thank you for your service! I am planning on doing Educational CZcams videos and going to be a professor. Also on today's topic, This is a coincidence because I was just there at Kennedy Space Center last week when I took the more exclusive tour they had at the time and asked this very topic to the tour guide, of what will happen to MLP3? Its sad that it will be demolished, I was hoping that it can be broken to some pieces and that way it can be in museums. Like Indiana Jones would say "This belongs in a Museum!" But its sad that a huge piece of history is going to be lost, but at the same time I am happy that Artemis is progressing with the soon to be under construction Mobile Launcher 2 for SLS Block 1B and Block 2 Variants.
    Anyways thanks again and keep on soaring! I was wondering if there is going to be more videos of the Space Shuttle, Supersonic Jets and more. Anyways glad to hear your doing well and keep on rocking.

  • @lithiumfore7233
    @lithiumfore7233 Před 11 měsíci +10

    MLP 3 is the one that should be saved. The first time the completed vehicles for Apollo 8 and 11 moved was on MLP 3. So in a way it was the "stage" that started both of those historic journeys.

    • @TheBleggh
      @TheBleggh Před 11 měsíci +3

      It's too late: MLP-3 demolition is already ongoing. It's been cut up pretty badly.

    • @lithiumfore7233
      @lithiumfore7233 Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@TheBleggh a major loss..

  • @tinytim71301
    @tinytim71301 Před 11 měsíci +2

    ALL, every, and any. Absolute treasures. Very cool that done are so big, storage is the problem.

  • @JR-gp2zk
    @JR-gp2zk Před 11 měsíci +4

    Reminds me of the Russian Space Shuttle Buran. It basically sat in a abandoned hanger, fell apart and almost faded away. I have a bucket list trip scheduled to go to the Kennedy Space Center. You got to see this stuff before it's scrapped.

    • @markzzzz741
      @markzzzz741 Před 10 měsíci

      Saw one of the Buran's in a museum at Speyer in Germany. Well worth a look.

  • @azura_2437
    @azura_2437 Před 11 měsíci +15

    Kind of different structure but I was really sad that CVN-65 could not be made a museum ship because of the nuclear reactor, I am glad that some of CVN-65 Enterprise will be added to the new CVN-80 Enterprise.

    • @BadGuyDennis
      @BadGuyDennis Před 11 měsíci +1

      I really wish they could preserve the island of CVN-65. It is so unique to its own.

    • @liveboatusa
      @liveboatusa Před 11 měsíci

      It's possible they could preserve the unique island of the ship but the question is where to put it and of course $$$$$$$. Who's going to pay for its storage, salvage and display at a permanent location. It's all about economics and logistics and the reality of the operation.

  • @alexogle8950
    @alexogle8950 Před 11 měsíci +3

    It's true we can't hang on to everything but I consider it a crying shame that Britain scrapped HMS Warspite despite how storied HMS Belfast is.

  • @Antymatters
    @Antymatters Před 11 měsíci +7

    Save the small intricate bits bit I'm afraid the large things you don't really have a choice. Luckily we have some pictures and videos that we can hopefully preserve forever. So many civilisations wonders didn't have that luxury

  • @am2dan
    @am2dan Před 11 měsíci +3

    The Kansas Cosmosphere, whose role in conserving the Apollo 11 Saturn V artifacts retrieved from the ocean you mentioned, is an amazing place. Besides the Apollo 13 command module and lots of other items from NASA and the US, it has an exceptional collection of historic and significant Soviet items bought for preservation when the USSR was falling apart. Early German items like a V1 and a V2, etc.,, etc., etc. Too bad that Hutchinson is so out of the way, not really on your way to anywhere, but worth a special trip for a space geek. Worth a visit to the Wichita Aviation Museum while in that neck of the woods, too.

    • @jmbauer68
      @jmbauer68 Před 11 měsíci +2

      My home town. Had prom under the SR71 at the Cosmosphere. Classmate participated in Liberty Bell 7 preservation.

    • @mytmousemalibu
      @mytmousemalibu Před 11 měsíci +1

      The salt museum is also a worthwhile, neat stop if you are in the area. The cosmosphere is an absolute gem and lucky to have it so close in a small town America location. Some real primo artifacts there as mentioned. Where else are you going to see a soyuz capsule or Apollo 13's capsule, etc. I need to go back, its been a while!

  • @billshiff2060
    @billshiff2060 Před 11 měsíci +3

    The Apollo program was our equivalent of building the pyramids. It was a monumental achievement in all the history of the planet let alone mankind. Imagine how we ache to know how they built the pyramids , will the future also be mystified on how going to the moon was done because we destroyed all the tools we used to do it.

    • @almostfm
      @almostfm Před 11 měsíci

      We have one advantage that the Egyptians didn't have-we documented basically everything.

    • @billshiff2060
      @billshiff2060 Před 11 měsíci

      @@almostfm A whole bunch of the paper docs have already been lost. The digital media and taped media are crumbling as we speak.

  • @greyone40
    @greyone40 Před 11 měsíci +2

    I can see it being difficult to find a place for those launch pads. All the little bits like camera placements would be the kind of item which is easy and useful to put in museums all over the place. it would be a lot like saving the boarding ramp from the tower. Wonderful that those things are saved for people to see.

  • @twisterwiper
    @twisterwiper Před 11 měsíci +1

    Paul,
    An idea for an episode: How heat pipes work in cpu heat sinks. They are quite fascinating little engineering marvels. It would be interesting to hear more about the principles and the history behind them.

  • @dewayneblue1834
    @dewayneblue1834 Před 11 měsíci +1

    In 1,000 years, even a rusty screw linked to the program that took man beyond Earth for the first time will be of significant value.

  • @zTheBigFishz
    @zTheBigFishz Před 11 měsíci +2

    In Huntsville, AL, we have 2 Saturn 5's (one is standing up the other is laid out in sections), 1 Saturn 1B, an F1 engine, a command module, and I think a lunar lander as well as a bunch of small items. These are all test articles except for the command module.

  • @mrs6968
    @mrs6968 Před 11 měsíci

    Great collection of stories and images thank you very much

  • @1936Studebaker
    @1936Studebaker Před 11 měsíci +6

    I think SpaceX could use one of these launch platforms after their recent troubles.

    • @greyone40
      @greyone40 Před 11 měsíci

      Even if it's just a starting piece to make modifications on.

    • @gth042
      @gth042 Před 11 měsíci +1

      Reusable rocket, expendable pad. I like it.

  • @tkd4zgqg
    @tkd4zgqg Před 11 měsíci

    Enjoy these space videos!!!! Keep them coming!!!

  • @marckyle5895
    @marckyle5895 Před 11 měsíci +1

    My first impulse is "as many as we can, because those we don't save will be missed later." Like how we didn't save the first USS Enterprise (CV-6) or BB-48 West Virginia, HMS Warspite or Vanguard, an intact Handley Page Halifax, the B-17 named 5 Grand that was signed by everyone who built it or the first XP-86 Sabre.

  • @dandavenport4565
    @dandavenport4565 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Love this topic! So happy to see some of these artifacts at the visitor center at the Kennedy Center last summer

  • @KevinMurphy0403
    @KevinMurphy0403 Před 9 měsíci

    Best space related channel on CZcams by a country mile. Thanks

  • @Astronomy_Live
    @Astronomy_Live Před 11 měsíci +3

    I found some transparencies of diagrams for the lunar lander at a thrift shop near the space center a couple weeks ago. They wanted $300 and as much as I want it, I just can't afford it right now. You can find so many incredible things around the thrift stores there from people who once worked on the program. I tend to collect cheaper nick-nacks, like diagrams that once hung in the VAB or print outs of flight plans for shuttle missions. I wish it could all be displayed in the museums around the area.

    • @dukecraig2402
      @dukecraig2402 Před 11 měsíci +3

      My uncle worked at the Cape for Boeing all through Mercury Gemini and Apollo, and we'll into the Shuttle and other missions down there, I live and grew up in Pennsylvania where he was originally from but he'd already been living down there when I was born in 65.
      He passed away in 2017 and family of mine down there sent me his jewelry box, in it is matched sets of cuff links and tie pins from all the missions he was involved in and believe me, he was involved in all of them, I don't know if it was NASA themselves or Boeing who gave them to the people involved with the missions but there's a set from just about every mission you can name, every one of the Mercury except the first few🎉, Gemini and Apollo one's along with Shuttle missions and satellites both placed in orbit by the Shuttle and deep space satellites launched by their own rockets, obscure one's I have to look up.
      When I was a kid in the 70's he was like a rock star to me, that jewelry box and what's in it are the most prized possessions I have in this world, you can bet in a few years when man returns to the moon I'll be dressed in my best suit with the Apollo 11 cuff links and tie pin on, unlike on the evening of July 20th 1969 when I had my Casper The Friendly Ghost pajamas on when I watched Neil Armstrong set foot on the moon, this time my attire won't be so casual.
      I wouldn't care how much money someone would offer me for that jewelry box and it's contents, to me it's priceless and I'll never sell it.

  • @GerardHammond
    @GerardHammond Před 11 měsíci

    Good Stuff. Thanks Paul

  • @EdwardMcClung
    @EdwardMcClung Před 11 měsíci +1

    Love love love your content Paul. Top Drawer.

  • @ronjon7942
    @ronjon7942 Před 11 měsíci +4

    Don't ask me, I'd keep everything! If one doesn't already exist, I'd recommend a department in, say, the Smithsonian be created for this task, although there's that risk they would lean towards my personal preference, as realistically untenable it is. It's awfully difficult to determine what future generations will consider historically significant, and it is for them we're preserving history for.
    There are so many examples of aircraft being demolished at Davis-Monthan that we wished were saved, as well as so many private industry's prototypes that were scrapped that a lot of us mourn over for not being preserved.
    Clearly, we're doing much better at preserving historically significant artifacts, the YF-23s being excellent examples. I completely understand the quandary NASA has with respect to the MLPS: where do we put them, who's going to fund the preservation, who is going to manage the upkeep and display?
    This is well outside of NASA's original charter and ought to be the purview of a department chartered for this task. Maybe the best decision would be to scrap much of this equipment, and perhaps a thorough 3D digital rendering placed in an online archive is sufficient. Maybe there is a process whereby the public can decide, or at least have an input (probably more realistic).
    As well as we as a nation are doing at preserving our past, it's dramatically obvious what a particular ideology is doing to either revision or erase America's history and legacy. A depressing example is of a third grader being asked to name a single president, and the only answer was George Washington; when asked what Washington is known for, the only response was that he was a slave owner. This example was from Elon Musk, asking a friend's child attending a public school. This is so wrong and so dangerous for this nation's future.
    Preserving artifacts is, no doubt, extremely important. Educating the young and old alike about the greatness, the not-so-great, and the abject failures of America is vital. The grand truth and the ugly truth must not be erased (or cancelled, the trendy far left term so popular today) or revised, or even swept under the rug, and the falsification of what happened should well be criminalized.
    This is important stuff. Kudos to Curious Droid for making a conversation about it.

  • @smada36
    @smada36 Před 11 měsíci +1

    It is a really interesting question overall. How much of the physical past should we carry into the future? How much space should we dedicate to things that no longer do what they were designed for?
    What should we alter and repurpose, and what should be preserved and no longer used?
    How much nostalgia should get in the way of progress, and how much development should wipe away the foundations on which it was based?
    Anyone that has had to downsize where they live will appreciate the question of just how much junk can you keep.
    It's not an enviable task to decide as you'll always need something just after you've thrown it away.

  • @entropyachieved750
    @entropyachieved750 Před 11 měsíci

    Great channel, love your work

  • @Theoryofcatsndogs
    @Theoryofcatsndogs Před 11 měsíci +1

    As the great Indiana Jones said: This belongs to museum!
    I am a true believer of this statement.

  • @ryanhamstra49
    @ryanhamstra49 Před 11 měsíci +2

    I knew that the F1’s had been picked up, didn’t know they were at the Seattle museum! I need to visit again… been a few years

  • @remliqa
    @remliqa Před 11 měsíci +2

    I wished 3d mapping and VR is more advanced than what we have now so that we can store the likeness of these huge historic objects there , and so that anyone can visit the place in virtual space.

  • @kevinheard8364
    @kevinheard8364 Před 11 měsíci

    "Well done!, sir" ....and a very poignant and well-thought-out closing. Super job

  • @Carl_Aznable
    @Carl_Aznable Před 11 měsíci +3

    The real question is how many of those amazing shirts will you save for posterity?

  • @xyzpdq1122
    @xyzpdq1122 Před 11 měsíci +1

    All of your shirts are fun, but this one is extra cool 👍🏼

  • @augustosolari7721
    @augustosolari7721 Před 11 měsíci +2

    I would love If you Also covered some aspects of the Soviet Space Program.

    • @smilemore1997
      @smilemore1997 Před 11 měsíci +1

      Along with the Chinese and other nations that have also visited space.

  • @ThePhilosophyOfNature
    @ThePhilosophyOfNature Před 11 měsíci

    Thank You Paul!

  • @bacburrito4225
    @bacburrito4225 Před 11 měsíci

    Great video as ever

  • @catlee8064
    @catlee8064 Před 11 měsíci

    Another stunning shirt there Paul...well done !

  • @johnnyhollis9977
    @johnnyhollis9977 Před 11 měsíci +1

    It would be great if one day the Apollo 10 LEM accent module could be retrieved from it's lonely orbit!

  • @jannek5757
    @jannek5757 Před 11 měsíci

    Very interesting video, as always :)

  • @BradyBaseball13
    @BradyBaseball13 Před 11 měsíci +3

    I got to see MLP-3 a month ago. It is still mostly intact

  • @patrickdunning9820
    @patrickdunning9820 Před 17 dny

    Always something to learn

  • @stackfreed4312
    @stackfreed4312 Před 11 měsíci +1

    I love your videos, and I hope you are doing well.
    Also, I love every time you post a video with "Apollo" or "Moon" in the title, CZcams always adds a "Context" box below your video, probably without your knowledge or approval, to remind me that you might be trying to lie me about the moon landings.
    Have you ever tried posting to Odysee? Just a thought.

  • @densealloy
    @densealloy Před 11 měsíci +1

    MLP3 should be broken down into several small sizes and sold at different price points, to the public to raise funds. For say $25 you could own a piece of the Apollo 11 mission. I bet NASA could get more money per ft² this way than via strictly scraping it.

  • @nekomasteryoutube3232
    @nekomasteryoutube3232 Před 11 měsíci +2

    TBH I feel like this stuff shouldn't even be sold off to private people, this is invaluable artifacts of the space race that should be in museums, not in peoples personal collections.

    • @JoshuaC923
      @JoshuaC923 Před 11 měsíci +2

      Unfortunately sometimes things get preserved better in private collections than in museums, you could watch Ian from forgotten weapons explain the challenge museums have in preserving artifacts

  • @RCAvhstape
    @RCAvhstape Před 11 měsíci

    Bulova Accutron movements were used in the Apollo LM cockpit instruments.

  • @mikehillier6441
    @mikehillier6441 Před 11 měsíci

    Big shout out to @CuriousMarc. They have done some serious work towards restoring the Apollo mission gear!

  • @bmultimate1One
    @bmultimate1One Před 11 měsíci +4

    Save everything ‼️

    • @mattcolver1
      @mattcolver1 Před 11 měsíci

      You forget, someone has to bear the storage costs. Also in many states there's property taxes on equipment and inventory.

  • @anticarrrot
    @anticarrrot Před 11 měsíci +1

    Video: Endles square miles of scrubland and swamp
    NASA: I don't have anywhere to put anything

    • @TheBleggh
      @TheBleggh Před 11 měsíci

      Those miles of scrubland and swamp will quickly take their toll on anything not being actively maintained...

    • @anticarrrot
      @anticarrrot Před 11 měsíci

      @@TheBleggh It's never going to be used again, so maintinance is less of an issue.
      Though stil not sure why they couldn't have just parked it outside the LC39 Observation Gantry. Extend the fence once it's in place and give the tourists something extra to look at.

    • @andrewfrance1047
      @andrewfrance1047 Před 11 měsíci

      Pretty soon it's a of pile of rust and people complain that it needs to be maintained. The cheap option is to get rid of it now.

  • @Kulumuli
    @Kulumuli Před 11 měsíci +1

    Come to think of it. Spacex might want to preserve some of their stuff too. Especially the crew module of their first manned space mission with Doug & Bob.

    • @Kulumuli
      @Kulumuli Před 11 měsíci

      @@user-mz7fx8zw4w Good to hear that.
      In the future I think NASA won't launch their own rockets much but will be more of a control organ and funneling missions and funding to privat companies.

  • @josephpiskac2781
    @josephpiskac2781 Před 11 měsíci

    Very good thanks.

  • @TayloredKC
    @TayloredKC Před 11 měsíci +1

    We have a tendency to destroy, lose the knowledge and forget how to build. Save as much as possible!

  • @rollertoaster812
    @rollertoaster812 Před 11 měsíci +1

    If NASA needs a spot to keep the MLPs, I can clear out some room in my garage 😂😂

  • @tomdave42
    @tomdave42 Před 2 měsíci

    Well I love your insights knowledge of the Apollo space program. I'm kind of a space nerd a little bit I'd would have never have known this if you would never have brought turn light on youTube

  •  Před 11 měsíci +1

    Amazing content.

  • @thomasburke7995
    @thomasburke7995 Před 11 měsíci +2

    Interesting that NASA caved so quickly with the LUNAR sample bag. I have been told that US Government property Remains property of the Agency from which it was issued. Items that are removed must be authorized for release to a permanent entity. When that entitiy no longer wants item its is to be returned to said agency. Then a further determination is made as to future of the item.. This was explained to me at the SMITHSONIAN'S now defunct Gerber facility in MD.

  • @Astroponicist
    @Astroponicist Před 11 měsíci +1

    What should be removed from the surface of Luna & Mars? What should be left in place, & what should be brought back to Earth?

  • @JuricksEnterprise
    @JuricksEnterprise Před 11 měsíci +1

    When Artemis was first being designed and built, they had to go back and disassemble old Apollo spacecraft now in musuems because nobody remembered how these things were put together and, incredibly, the blueprints and plans were said to be "lost!" If we destroy our history, we lose who we were and what we could become!!!

    • @MeerkatADV
      @MeerkatADV Před 11 měsíci +2

      Complete bullshit. Artemis is not a copy of the Apollo capsule. They didn't reference it for anything.

  • @kevinfaure5588
    @kevinfaure5588 Před 11 měsíci

    Love the shirt!

  • @willmill52592
    @willmill52592 Před 11 měsíci

    It took humanity 6 million years to leave earth. Thinking beyond our individual lifespans, we should probably make the effort to preserve Apollo artifacts. Truly a defining moment in our history. Alternatively, maybe recycle the crawler metal to build a new hangar for the air and space museum?

  • @Semper_Iratus
    @Semper_Iratus Před 11 měsíci +2

    If nothing else nasa should have the coolest yard sale ever.

  • @zerstorer335
    @zerstorer335 Před 10 měsíci

    As far as an MLP goes, its sheer size would seem to make keeping it somewhere on KSC the most viable option. I don't know how many organizations reasonably have both the space to park the thing AND the resources to transport it.
    Maybe they could use it as a VIP launch viewing area, putting it up by the Saturn-V center or south of the VAB? (Keeping things safe for people might be easier if you're controlling access via ticket sales and limiting access to launch events.)

  • @Astroponicist
    @Astroponicist Před 11 měsíci

    Find a flat piece of property in an appropriate city for a museum of space exploration. Park the mobile launcher on the property, and build the museum on top. Fill the museum with the best stuff.

  • @carbon_no6
    @carbon_no6 Před 11 měsíci +1

    The prices that these items (and others) go for is absolutely ridiculous! Not to downplay their significance or anything, but it just baffles me.

  • @louithrottler
    @louithrottler Před 11 měsíci

    Wow, only just realised you hit 1m subs. Well done mate :)

  • @Skybird_
    @Skybird_ Před 11 měsíci

    A wonderful video I watched with the missus. I had so many questions and my wife just said I like Paul’s shirt. 😂

  • @adammathisson5119
    @adammathisson5119 Před 11 měsíci +4

    I think these deserve to be preserved in detail in digital form, so they can be visited in VR and be part of both fan made and commercial software projects. So make sure to save them as detailed as possible digitally. No risk people hurt themselves by the VR view itself or at least not worse than any VR experience. You can then do tours and such in the future or have a really good way to recreate them, if the future wants to have them physically again.

  • @maybehuman2148
    @maybehuman2148 Před 11 měsíci +11

    The MLPs aren't suitable for display or collection just due to their sheer size. They are subject to weather corrosion, and in time would be too dangerous to even enter, let alone move. Dismantling and recycling them was the correct choice.

    • @owensmith7530
      @owensmith7530 Před 11 měsíci +1

      It's not the crawlers, it's the metal platform they carried and put down for the rocket to launch from. There are only two crawlers, one of which has been upgraded to carry SLS which is heavier. Given the cost in the crawlers they're too valuable to scrap the other even though NASA has no current use for it.

    • @TheBleggh
      @TheBleggh Před 11 měsíci

      Don't you mean the MLPs? The crawlers are still in active use.

    • @GlutenEruption
      @GlutenEruption Před 11 měsíci +1

      C’mon, how many battleships and aircraft carriers have been turned into living museums? Size, transport, corrosion prevention and retrofitting are not insurmountable issues by any means…

    • @maybehuman2148
      @maybehuman2148 Před 11 měsíci +5

      @@GlutenEruption I see your point. But very few actually. The vast majority of decommissioned naval vessels are scrapped or sunk to be used as artificial reefs. Naval vessels also have the added advantage of being very mobile in water by using tug boats. Corrosion is still a big issue and regular maintenance is of course required.

    • @maybehuman2148
      @maybehuman2148 Před 11 měsíci +2

      @@TheBleggh Yes, that is what I meant, sorry.

  • @danielbrowniel
    @danielbrowniel Před 11 měsíci +2

    they could have chopped the crawler up into medallions and sold them for 500$ a piece,, hell I would buy one.

  • @agrofindastation
    @agrofindastation Před 11 měsíci

    6:10 dang it, I was just at KSC and didn't know about these walkways because you didn't make this video in time. I blame you 😅

  • @literallyshaking8019
    @literallyshaking8019 Před 11 měsíci +3

    If I know anything about NASA (or any government program for that matter) is that in a few years they’ll “discover” a need for a vehicle identical to the mobile launch pads after having scrapped the old ones, and spend billions of dollars (mostly over budget) to recreate them.

    • @ronjon7942
      @ronjon7942 Před 11 měsíci

      Haha, you're probably correct.

    • @DaveS_shuttle
      @DaveS_shuttle Před 11 měsíci +3

      @@ronjon7942 Not really. The MLPs are modified Apollo/Saturn V Mobile Launchers (MLs). Main difference is the removal of the Launcher Umbilical Tower(LUT) from each of them and the addition of the two shuttle-specific Tail Service Masts (TSMs) as well as the relocation of the center exhaust duct and the addition of two more exhaust ducts for the two SRBs and the Sound Suppression Water System (SSWS) hardware. Early on NASA did look at repurposing the MLPs yet again for the Constellation Program (CxP) and will it would have worked for the smaller and lighter Ares 1 Crew Launch Vehicle, they would have been too heavy with Ares V Cargo Launch Vehicle and its required LUT for the the Crawler Transporters. It would have required brand new "Super-Crawlers" to be designed and procured.
      So the decision was made to retire the MLPs at the end of the shuttle program and build a new "multi-vehicle capable" Mobile Launcher instead. While it superficially resembled the Apollo/Saturn V MLs, it used new designs and construction methods to make it as light as possible in order for the CTs to be able to carry it with a fully assembled vehicle. The CTs did receive strengthening upgrades to improve their carrying capability, this was more of a modernization upgrade as the 32(16/CT) original hydraulic cylinders dated back to the Apollo program (some of them were replaced back in 2002 after finding cracks in their spherical bushings, but they were of the same design and capability).

    • @_mikolaj_
      @_mikolaj_ Před 11 měsíci

      NASA tries to reuse existing ground infrastructure as much as its practical. However old MLPs are not suitable for modern applications. SLS is the heaviest vehicle NASA has made so far, and towers for it have very tight mass margins, even with upgraded CT. This is why NASA needs MLs specifically designed for SLS, they MUST be as light as possibile, beacuse on the crawler SLS alone will weight like, out of my head, up to almost 2000t.

  • @gth042
    @gth042 Před 11 měsíci

    The Cosmosphere is a diamond buried in the rump of the US. What that "criminal" did was make space stuff available in ways no other museum could. Shady, sure. Effective and unique, yes. I suggest every space, and history, buff check it out. Fly into Wichita, don't slit your wrists trying to drive there (or stop and mess with the buffalo). Paul, I hope you get the chance to see it one day (allocate 2-3). I've been to the majors, and the Cosmosphere is the best experience from a layout/story and access to artifacts perspective. Bring a high-CRI flashlight ;)

  • @uuzd4s
    @uuzd4s Před 11 měsíci +1

    Nice Shirt ! If I remember correctly, Mr. Humble himself (Neil Armstrong) had a collection of Apollo 11 items stashed in his attic that weren't known about until his wife found them after his death. I don't recall where they ended up but I'd probably pay some Museum real dollars just to look at them.

  • @a-fl-man640
    @a-fl-man640 Před 11 měsíci

    bull ah vah, oh may gah. i had that model of speedmaster. bought it from the PX in Germany, 72 or so. interesting as always, thanks.

  • @craigsheffield6546
    @craigsheffield6546 Před 11 měsíci

    I have an original NASA photo of the Apollo 15 Flag Salute featuring Astronaut James Irwin, and personally autographed. It came from Jim Irwin.

  • @leftcoaster67
    @leftcoaster67 Před 11 měsíci +2

    I hope they save the mobile crawler for Apollo 11. After all they have preserved Battleships.

  • @shkumagonnowee212
    @shkumagonnowee212 Před 11 měsíci +1

    For me, I'd have no trouble with the launchers. A museum should be constructed atop the launcher that launched Apollo 11 and shuttle launches, this launcher is of historical significance. I guarantee several parts of the mlp2 (apollo 11) launcher found its way into the homes of the NASA employees.

  • @EDKguy
    @EDKguy Před 11 měsíci

    Good news! The crawler has been acceped by a museum in California! The drive is expected to take 300 years, so future generations will have this to look forward to!

  • @paulmcphie1596
    @paulmcphie1596 Před 11 měsíci +1

    I've been saddened to see the Apollo era tracking stations here in Australia go from mothballed to demolished.

  • @jan-olofharnvall8760
    @jan-olofharnvall8760 Před 11 měsíci

    All of it! The assembly building will suffice I think, and the MLP can be parked at the entrance🤓

  • @AndyCigars
    @AndyCigars Před 11 měsíci

    “Good luck, Mr. Gorsky!”

  • @andersjjensen
    @andersjjensen Před 11 měsíci +1

    Nerds of their respective fields will always want to preserve everything, myself included. But that math works against us here, as the more time goes by, the more stuff will have to be collected, taking up space that is going to become a at a greater and greater premium.

    • @awesomeferret
      @awesomeferret Před 11 měsíci

      So, you're expecting more stuff to need to be collected from a time period that will only become farther in the past... I must be misunderstanding something here.

  • @g0nad716
    @g0nad716 Před 11 měsíci

    Surprised someone didn’t turn it into an AirBnB! That often seems the answer to all these types of historical structures. Slightly less tragic than destroying it all together.

  • @shadowraith1
    @shadowraith1 Před 11 měsíci +1

    A bit sad, still recycling is better than trashing. Having lived through all the space programs you mentioned. Do I start thinking of myself as an artifact? Thanks for sharing.😊

  • @c1ph3rpunk
    @c1ph3rpunk Před 11 měsíci

    I’ll send Jimmy over with the pickup tomorrow, there’s some room in the side yard.

  • @twinpinesranch
    @twinpinesranch Před 11 měsíci

    Honestly, they should try and drive it into the surrounding forest, boom. Leave it there. In the background, see how far they can go in before getting stuck.

  • @____________________________.x
    @____________________________.x Před 11 měsíci +1

    I went on the bus tour of the site, showing all the old launch sites. I don’t remember seeing any of the transporters? They are talking nonsense about safety, just store it by the car park and build a big fence around it, problem solved. Also the site is massive, hence a bus being required for the tour, there is plenty of space to store dozens of these things. Actually the best part of the tour is seeing the old launch computers, all switches and flashing lights. We didn’t get to see the modern replacement. And I broke my NASA mug, I’m still upset about that ☹️

    • @DaveS_shuttle
      @DaveS_shuttle Před 11 měsíci

      KSC is built on top of a bunch of barrier islands. The entire area is called Merritt Island, with the actual launch area being designated the Merritt Island Launch Area (MILA). And creating the special road that the Crawler Transporters move on was an entire project in itself. And the CTs can ONLY operate on this special road called the Crawlerway. Just moving the retired Space Shuttle Orbiter Atlantis was a major undertaking from the Vehicle Assembly Building to the KSC Visitor Complex and that was on a road-legal 76-wheeled transporter using the normal roads and it took nearly an entire day and took months to plan. And the parking lot south of the VAB (called the LCC Parking Lot) is still very much in use both by NASA and contractor KSC personnel.

    • @____________________________.x
      @____________________________.x Před 11 měsíci

      @@DaveS_shuttle surly it’s possible to just build a 100m2 pad off the crawlerway and just leave it there?

  • @Zappa943
    @Zappa943 Před 11 měsíci

    Your shirt reminded me more of 60s/70s acid trips rather than apollo.

  • @Valery0p5
    @Valery0p5 Před 11 měsíci +1

    If that's still in lunar orbit, we should save Apollo 11’s Eagle.

  • @TheGenericavatar
    @TheGenericavatar Před 11 měsíci

    The MLP should be saved. They'd be awesome in a museum somewhere, even if the only inside part that people could examine was the control cockpit.
    Besides, if they destroy all the MLP, then Fallout 3 won't have an a MLP to act as one of the bad guy's base.

  • @AttilaTheHun333333
    @AttilaTheHun333333 Před 11 měsíci

    There is a distracting sound coming from your hands by putting your fingers together every other second. Never realized this before, so it might be just me. 😅 Thank You for another beautiful topic and video.

  • @peters972
    @peters972 Před 11 měsíci

    Convert it into a land cruise liner taking people from NY to FL with swimming pools Restaurants, casinos.