Is Your Private Internet Data Being Harvested From Undersea Cables?

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    Your internet data travels around the world in a fraction of a second and in the process it will travel through some of the 1.3 million Km of undersea fibre optic cables but how secure is it from not only being cut but also from wiretapping and data harvesting on a vast scale by not only you government but that of hostile states.
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  • @CuriousDroid
    @CuriousDroid  Před 2 měsíci +18

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    • @steveshoemaker6347
      @steveshoemaker6347 Před 2 měsíci

      Thanks Paul.....i am going to get your Hoverpins offer ....Shoe🇺🇸

    • @bowdlerise
      @bowdlerise Před 2 měsíci

      ShadowGate 2.0

    • @eSKAone-
      @eSKAone- Před 2 měsíci

      Backdoors for sure

    • @AltimaNEO
      @AltimaNEO Před 2 měsíci

      Missed opportunity for a VPN advertisement 😂

  • @williamromine5715
    @williamromine5715 Před 2 měsíci +73

    Laying a cable from the UK to the U.S. in middle of the 1850s, has always amazed me. They didn't have the ability to map the ocean bottom, so they weren't able see if sea floor had mountains, trenches etc. The effort was quite a gamble, and I still don't how they did it.

    • @patreekotime4578
      @patreekotime4578 Před 2 měsíci +28

      The engineering and manufacturing feats of just building the cables is what gets me. They had to be strong enough to hold thier own weight and miles long... in an era before synthetic rubber... its an almost incomprehensible feat.

    • @phil20_20
      @phil20_20 Před 2 měsíci +4

      It broke. 😅

    • @patreekotime4578
      @patreekotime4578 Před 2 měsíci +16

      @@phil20_20 Yes, and then they did it again. And again and again.

    • @Ottee2
      @Ottee2 Před 2 měsíci +4

      @@patreekotime4578, You know what else is hard to do? Escaping Earth's gravity and going to the Moon and return safely. Only one nation has done it, and even they have not tried it, again, for decades now. Quite a feat.

    • @patreekotime4578
      @patreekotime4578 Před 2 měsíci +2

      @@Ottee2 Is this a competition? Because if its a competition, then doing something OVER ONE HUNDRED YEARS LATER seems like it would automatically lose the competition. 🤷‍♂️

  • @ramblerandy2397
    @ramblerandy2397 Před 2 měsíci +67

    Very good video. it was particularly interesting to me as a former undersea fibre-optic employee of a defunct British company called STC [Standard Telephones and Cables]. For a few years back in the 1980-90s we were making the state of the art, and this message may very well be travelling through one of our existing cables [they do last well if undisturbed]. When I joined STC I went from starting in the coiling tanks to becoming a fibre optic jointer [note, not joiner]. I was one of a team that would join together a huge length of cable from one tank to another huge cable length in another tank, and so it progressed. At 11:05 there's a good example of a cable joint ready for use. So good could the joints be that there might be virtually no losses during mesurement. I have one story about a UK to Denmark cable that was unrepeated [that is unamplified or boosted], so the losses had to be minimal. It was around 1990, and I had laser welded 24 pairs of fibres together. A technician had a set of figures on his screen for one cable length. They was perfect. So he had set up the equipment to test for losses after my welds. That is, he put a receiver at the far end of the next cable. then he went for his lunch. Instead of going for mine I continued on the joint. So back he came as I was about to leave. He looked at his equipment. He didn't know that I'd already made the welds. IIRC he said, "Tell me when you complete the welds [or something like that]. "I've done them", I replied. And that was the thing. There were no losses at all in that joint. I held the [world?] record for about 24 hours. After that the joint was choppeed out due to errors in a subsequent moulding process that encompassed the fibres. It was said that each joint cost a million dollars to make, so chopping one out was a tad disappointing. STC was eventually bought by Canadian company Northern Telecom [Nortel].

    • @sirjabbas
      @sirjabbas Před 2 měsíci

      Great story. Thx for sharing :)

    • @IndaloMan
      @IndaloMan Před 2 měsíci +4

      First time I have seen STC referenced in a comment! As a fellow employee of Standards Travelling Circus at the end of the 70s I spent many months training at the New Southgate factory (Building 53) to commission TXK3, TXK4 and TXE4 telephone exchanges. A great subject for a future episode would be why did STC pull out of the System X consortium? That technological white elephant that was supposed to put UK plc at the forefront of the global telecoms industry. #goodolddays

    • @deus_ex_machina_
      @deus_ex_machina_ Před 2 měsíci +4

      Have you watched _BobbyBroccoli’s_ two-part documentary on Nortel?

    • @ramblerandy2397
      @ramblerandy2397 Před 2 měsíci

      @@deus_ex_machina_ No? I'll look that up, ta.

    • @MarkoVukovic0
      @MarkoVukovic0 Před 2 měsíci

      Thanks for sharing that, love it! What do you do now, if I may ask?

  • @John-wx9oy
    @John-wx9oy Před 2 měsíci +23

    It never ceases to amaze me how Paul finds subjects to discuss at length which are vitally important technologically or historically (and in this episode, perhaps politically) that we had not considered, or heard of, until then.

  • @ck17350
    @ck17350 Před 2 měsíci +83

    It's important to note that the vast majority of traffic is encrypted via SSL and that data is unlikely to be harvested by anyone. There's plenty of meta data associated with that traffic, source, destination and the type of traffic which can be useful to some extent however the contents of that traffic remain unseen by anyone intercepting it. You don't have to go back very far, less than a decade, for capture of Internet traffic to have been useful prior to the widespread adoption of SSL for nearly every service however today, even a nation state is unlikely to get much use out of trying to sieve through practically incomprehensible amounts of data.

    • @5thgearouttahere
      @5thgearouttahere Před 2 měsíci +4

      Bullshit, who are you trying to fool?

    • @EinzigfreierName
      @EinzigfreierName Před 2 měsíci

      Government agencies employ tenthousands of people and spend billions on nothing else than solving this "problem". Unlikey that they don't have some degree of success on this.

    • @tjjones621
      @tjjones621 Před 2 měsíci +8

      @@5thgearouttahere I am clueless about this stuff and find it interesting. Can you offer any information that he's wrong or trying to fool people?

    • @Alex92837
      @Alex92837 Před 2 měsíci

      True won't be able to read contents, however governments will still be hoovering up all the data and archiving it and waiting for quantum computing to take off. There is speculation that quantum computing can decrypt traffic in instant compared to lifetime that would take to bute force it using traditional computing. Its called the quantum apocalypse.

    • @edc1569
      @edc1569 Před 2 měsíci +20

      @@tjjones621some people believe that common encryption protocols are all deliberately flawed. I disagree, modern encryption uses pretty simple mathematical models which are well understood, they’re not hard to demonstrate their security. I believe there would be a small period of time between security services breaking a fundamental security technology and someone outside of the security services also finding the same flaw - it’s not a zero day which you can just keep quiet about, it’s a fundamental algorithm flaw.

  • @conor7154
    @conor7154 Před 2 měsíci +115

    It’s probably being harvested at the source. They don’t need to go 4 miles down in the ocean to do that.

    • @honey_fungus
      @honey_fungus Před 2 měsíci +16

      Exactly … the ISPs are harvesting, everything on the wire is encrypted

    • @Chris_at_Home
      @Chris_at_Home Před 2 měsíci +17

      The government in the USA was given access to most communications with their own access points set up permanently by communications companies for them as part of the patriot act. This includes phone switches and servers.

    • @EinzigfreierName
      @EinzigfreierName Před 2 měsíci +4

      There is not always access to the source for various reasons. Tapping undersea fibre cables is a reality and they wouldn't do it they could access the same data much easier.

    • @EinzigfreierName
      @EinzigfreierName Před 2 měsíci +5

      @@honey_fungus Not "everything" on the wire is encrypted. And there is a lot of metadata which is useful to "attackers". Also in a lot of cases, encryption can be cracked if necessary.

    • @FAB1150
      @FAB1150 Před 2 měsíci +3

      ​@@EinzigfreierNameyes, everything that passes through those cables is encrypted. The encryption methods used haven't yet been cracked... So not yet. There's a reason they install backdoors on people's devices instead of just tapping into the cables.

  • @LauraTenora
    @LauraTenora Před 2 měsíci +73

    As a dressmaker, I was impressed by how well your dress shirt was crafted, with the patterns perfectly aligned. Ok... And I was also impressed by the interesting info and the engaging way in which it was presented 😊

    • @nancymedlin8682
      @nancymedlin8682 Před 2 měsíci +2

      Funny I too was abit taken by his shirt's design. 🙃wondering what exactly was it . A raccoon's face maybe?
      But also I agree well narrated with detailed cable info of it's history dealing w/personal data concerns .

    • @RCAvhstape
      @RCAvhstape Před 2 měsíci +10

      He always wears wild shirts. That's half the fun of this channel!

    • @allankamen9875
      @allankamen9875 Před 2 měsíci +10

      go back to some of his earlier videos. He used to talk about his shirt and recommend the shop where he gets his shirts. This was his initial sponsor/funding for his channel.

    • @nancymedlin8682
      @nancymedlin8682 Před 2 měsíci

      @@allankamen9875 cool 😎

    • @bimblinghill
      @bimblinghill Před 2 měsíci +1

      We need to get twitter's 'menswear guy' to do a Paul thread

  • @npc_code
    @npc_code Před 2 měsíci +25

    Thats why it is important to use encryption. Not only for sensetive information also for normal stuff. Send your cookie recopies encrypted and you will annoy the Agencies.

  • @Aveance94
    @Aveance94 Před 2 měsíci +215

    It's not being harvested it's being stolen. No need to dress it up.

    • @auggieaxiom5726
      @auggieaxiom5726 Před 2 měsíci

      It’s easier to harvest an entire countries data than it is to steal someone’s data

    • @JesseP.Watson
      @JesseP.Watson Před 2 měsíci +10

      I agree and yet at the same time I can't help but think that, philosophically speaking, retaining exclusive ownership of electrical charges flying through someone else's cable under the sea amongst a maelstrom of other such clamour seems off somehow.

    • @No_one_cares_about_Ukraine
      @No_one_cares_about_Ukraine Před 2 měsíci +8

      Do you own it?

    • @TheDasHatti
      @TheDasHatti Před 2 měsíci +23

      @@No_one_cares_about_Ukrainemy spoken word and my written text are mine. And your channel name is wrong.

    • @chickenmonger123
      @chickenmonger123 Před 2 měsíci

      @@No_one_cares_about_UkraineDo I own the information I transfer through private means? Why yes. Actually. Granted the services I use don’t think so. They think it’s theirs. Use encryption for anything that matters.

  • @AndrewGray1987
    @AndrewGray1987 Před 2 měsíci +27

    What would be the point of harvesting internet data from a cable now? It's all encrypted.
    If the NSA wanted your Google search history they wouldn't have to scrape a cable, they would just ask Google to give it to them.
    If they wanted Signal messages they wouldn't scrape the cable and then take the data and run it through a supercomputer for 50 years to break the encryption, they would just use whatever back door Google engineered into Android or an exploit they bought off the exploit market.
    It's my understanding that all of the data storage they're doing now is to decrypt later with hypothetical quantum computers.

    • @chpsilva
      @chpsilva Před 2 měsíci +4

      While it's true that most of web nowadays uses HTTPS, there is a ton of metadata that travels unencrypted, like DNS requests for example.

    • @AySz88
      @AySz88 Před 2 měsíci +2

      Not all traffic is encrypted, especially stuff like DNS (as mentioned) but also lots of "legacy" applications relied upon by businesses where the employees don't actually care about anything more than the paycheck so long as they don't get the blame. You can get information from just the timing of communications. The fact that it's going through the cable in international waters makes them "not domestic spying on fellow Americans" and overcomes some legal hurdles.

    • @kenanacampora
      @kenanacampora Před 2 měsíci +2

      Encrypted. Hahahaha.

    • @wobuzhidaoification
      @wobuzhidaoification Před 2 měsíci +2

      What if you weren’t the NSA? (There are other organisations outside America) 😂

    • @24VBMWPower
      @24VBMWPower Před 2 měsíci +2

      You're right. Same thing with those pointless advertising claims of VPN providers.

  • @shaneelson
    @shaneelson Před 2 měsíci +7

    The graphic/video at about 02:05 shows the link between mainland Australia, King Island and Tasmania, my home state. We had family friends who lived at and maintained the telegraph station on King Island. I visited them in the early 70s. Even back then the generator had battery back up.

  • @SurlockGnomez
    @SurlockGnomez Před 2 měsíci +25

    Private data doesn't need to be harvested when thanks to the T&Cs of half your phone apps plus your ISP/phone carrier contracts allow it to be sold. To cover the other half you have agencies (operating solely for our protection of course and nothing to do with them identifying people who oppose the current regime) with access to the main router hubs that the under sea cables go to and from. I'd be amazed if any agencies hack under sea "public" cables; but rather they'd solely go after the military lines.

    • @Gurumeierhans
      @Gurumeierhans Před 2 měsíci

      Not everybody lives in the US

    • @SurlockGnomez
      @SurlockGnomez Před 2 měsíci +1

      @@Gurumeierhans Certainly not, I'm from the UK near GCHQ

    • @bobert4522
      @bobert4522 Před 2 měsíci +1

      @@Gurumeierhanswhat makes you think it’s only the US doing this?

    • @Gurumeierhans
      @Gurumeierhans Před 2 měsíci

      @@bobert4522 Privacy laws in the EU for example

    • @JamesOversteer
      @JamesOversteer Před 2 měsíci

      Look at the 5 eyes. They use each others agencies to get around laws about spying on their own people.

  • @Wineman3383
    @Wineman3383 Před 2 měsíci +4

    Looking good brother!
    Awesome to see a new video.
    Thanks for what you do.

  • @Nightsd01
    @Nightsd01 Před 2 měsíci +5

    Thank goodness for encryption. Even if they did tap into the cables, most of what they’d get would be garbage/noise

    • @bloopbleepnothinghere
      @bloopbleepnothinghere Před 2 měsíci

      Thanks to Google a vast majority of websites all use HTTPS. You'd have to be nuts to sign in and provide personal information on a non encrypted connection.

  • @nbrown5907
    @nbrown5907 Před 2 měsíci +11

    The bulk of what I do and I bet many others is not over those cables. We have local servers for everything just about. Obviously if I want to see many awesome videos from folks like you it is either through that cable or a satellite.

    • @brantwedel
      @brantwedel Před 2 měsíci

      All you would get is encrypted traffic for the most part. So probably the most useful data of would be if one country starts sending alot of data to another, you might be able to correlate that with something you know from on-the ground intelligence.

  • @bondisteve3617
    @bondisteve3617 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Splendid again as always Droid. Many thanks.

  • @YonHASH
    @YonHASH Před 2 měsíci +1

    Very interesting as always, thank you!

  • @PleaseDontFeedTheAnimals
    @PleaseDontFeedTheAnimals Před 2 měsíci +10

    Cheers for the videos mate

  • @ozzymandius666
    @ozzymandius666 Před 2 měsíci +5

    Our own leaders are our own worst enemies.

    • @user-ww2lc1yo9c
      @user-ww2lc1yo9c Před 2 měsíci

      Our leaders say if you are not doing something illegal, there is nothing to hide.

  • @maxvaessen
    @maxvaessen Před 2 měsíci

    Thanks for the great content you keep making. ❤ very interesting

  • @kami_1958
    @kami_1958 Před 2 měsíci

    Thank you, Paul, for your videos! They are all incredibly good! Your speech is brilliantly clear, and there are few other places on CZcams where you can see proper English subtitles (and also hear real BBC English spoken!)

  • @jfbeam
    @jfbeam Před 2 měsíci +1

    We've had "unrepeatered" cables for some time now. (optically regenerated without conversion to an electrical signal) Of course, we tend to use cables for as long as they physically last, so many "OEO" cables are still in operation.
    The amount of power loss from a "bend tap" is noticeable if the operator is paying attention.

  • @gigakoresh
    @gigakoresh Před 2 měsíci +4

    Most of internet traffic is encrypted, it's not like tapping is all that useful tbh. Only kind of data you are gonna get via that method is some protocol messages like BGP routing exchanges and DNS lookups

    • @Blox117
      @Blox117 Před 2 měsíci

      most dns is also encrypted now

  • @CallMeCain
    @CallMeCain Před 2 měsíci

    Thank you for the information that will stand the test of time

  • @mbazzy123
    @mbazzy123 Před 2 měsíci +2

    Great subject, I've always been fascinated with this technology. The early cables experienced many failures in terms of the laying process, I think the early developers must have had deep financial pockets and nerves of steel.

  • @frankgulla2335
    @frankgulla2335 Před 2 měsíci

    Thank you, CD for an interesting video on stealing information for underwater cables.

  • @BamBamBigelow..
    @BamBamBigelow.. Před 2 měsíci +29

    Do I need the government to know I am an A-hole?

    • @RealKlausSchwab
      @RealKlausSchwab Před 2 měsíci

      No! It's being done psuedo LEGALLY through the patriot act 1 and 2.0.
      It's done by the PROVIDERS! AT&T, Apple,Google, Microsoft old twitter etc!!!
      We have the documents!

    • @catlee8064
      @catlee8064 Před 2 měsíci +3

      Yes.....

    • @nbrown5907
      @nbrown5907 Před 2 měsíci +3

      Yes I think they already know I am. My healthcare provider does not call me now just text messages roflol.

    • @RealKlausSchwab
      @RealKlausSchwab Před 2 měsíci +1

      No! It's being done psuedo LEGALLY through the patriot act 1 and 2.0.
      It's done by the PROVIDERS! AT&T, Apple,Google, Microsoft old twitter etc!!!
      We have the documents!

    • @RealKlausSchwab
      @RealKlausSchwab Před 2 měsíci +1

      @nbrown5907 No! It's being done psuedo LEGALLY through the patriot act 1 and 2.0.
      It's done by the PROVIDERS! AT&T, Apple,Google, Microsoft old twitter etc!!!
      We have the documents!

  • @pomodorino1766
    @pomodorino1766 Před 2 měsíci

    Thanks for another interesting video!

  • @romangeneral23
    @romangeneral23 Před 2 měsíci +5

    Love every single one of your uploads!!!

  • @akwinoz
    @akwinoz Před 2 měsíci

    Another great insight !!!!!

  • @LonSeidman
    @LonSeidman Před 2 měsíci

    I spoke to a Yale legal scholar about ten years ago for a news article I authored on this topic. Essentially the government is working off a legal theory that merely capturing and storing data is not unconstitutional until the data is actually looked at. So they are capturing everything (presumably) and need the warrant only when reviewing the private communications of a US citizen.

    • @Iroquois_Pliskin
      @Iroquois_Pliskin Před 3 dny

      Now they dont even need a warrant.
      Land of the free...

  • @jsmithnevinsky
    @jsmithnevinsky Před 2 měsíci +3

    It's harvested from 100s of different sources, regardless of whether undersea cables is a concern or not.
    And if it can't be harvested it's extrapolated and predicative modeled from previous patches of data by AI algorithms that are 10 years ahead of commercial release.
    So again, what are we learning from this video?

  • @AnarchoReptiloidUa
    @AnarchoReptiloidUa Před 2 měsíci +1

    Great video. A comment to support video and channel.
    😊😊😊

  • @alan-
    @alan- Před 2 měsíci

    Such good content!

  • @beayn
    @beayn Před 2 měsíci +2

    There was an amazing game in 2000 called Deus Ex. The entire plot builds up to a reveal that all the world's communications are routed through a single Hub and monitored by the government (there's Aliens involved too but that is irrelevant). At the time, it was unheard of and a scary thought that we could be entering a time when this is reality.
    Today? It's almost expected.

  • @thelandofnod123
    @thelandofnod123 Před 2 měsíci

    Nice shot of the submarine cable from Victoria through King Island to Stanley in Tasmania there.

  • @maemilev
    @maemilev Před 2 měsíci +2

    In my professional opinion, the data collected at the ISP level is often overwhelming and challenging to analyze effectively. While it may be possible to identify patterns such as frequent website visits or specific search queries, the sheer volume of data makes it difficult to draw meaningful conclusions. Additionally, relying on this data for surveillance or marketing purposes can be inaccurate, as the individuals who use the internet the most will naturally appear at the top of the statistics.

    • @5thgearouttahere
      @5thgearouttahere Před 2 měsíci

      Yet another lie - do you think NSA & GCHQ will hire you, or do you work there already?

    • @cristibaluta
      @cristibaluta Před 2 měsíci

      Not mentioning that you can't store it

  • @SA5OHR
    @SA5OHR Před 2 měsíci

    Well… the signals are not electrically/electronically repeated or regenerated.
    You should read about doped fibers and how you boost the payload by injecting a pump laser into the doped fiber for the erbium ions to react and in the change of state it releases photons in the same wavelenght as the payload wavelenght/s.
    Undersea cables are watched for any abnormalities and loss and reflection is constantly monitored. Kinking the fiber will impact differend wavelenghts with different attenuation so its easy to detect macro- and micro bending.
    High security systems will in that event change route and cut signal.
    OTDR can measure kink distance so quite easy to locate activity.
    Better go for the land lines…

  • @phil20_20
    @phil20_20 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Everything is recorded every time it's digitized. In fact, every switch, router, and phone, records you. What you want is to make sure it gets deleted. In the old days, phone workers would listen in for entertainment. We have come a long way technically, but people are still the same.

  • @andoletube
    @andoletube Před 2 měsíci

    2:06 Nice to see Tasmania get some cable animation!

  • @macjonte
    @macjonte Před 2 měsíci +13

    The new Swedish submarine Saab A26 has special features for under water operation with divers and drones, perfect for this.

    • @RealKlausSchwab
      @RealKlausSchwab Před 2 měsíci

      No! It's being done psuedo LEGALLY through the patriot act 1 and 2.0.
      It's done by the PROVIDERS! AT&T, Apple,Google, Microsoft old twitter etc!!!
      We have the documents!

    • @i.k.8868
      @i.k.8868 Před 2 měsíci

      Not necessary. The US has a deal with the Netherlands. They get direct access where the cables enter the continent.

    • @macjonte
      @macjonte Před 2 měsíci

      @@i.k.8868
      Yea they have a deal with Sweden as well where large portions of worlds intercontinental internet traffic passes by, thanks to Swedish space corp. still they build these subs.

    • @MrSimonw58
      @MrSimonw58 Před 2 měsíci +1

      Those pesky swedes

    • @davideyres955
      @davideyres955 Před 2 měsíci +1

      We’re they practicing on nordstream pipelines?

  • @ohkee
    @ohkee Před 2 měsíci

    Very interesting !

  • @mojomagic8148
    @mojomagic8148 Před 2 měsíci +4

    I've always assumed everything I say, type or otherwise dispatch, is recorded - SOP! 🤔

    • @cristibaluta
      @cristibaluta Před 2 měsíci +1

      No, did you hear how much data is transferred through this cables? Can't even count them, there's no place to store it.

  • @CybershamanX
    @CybershamanX Před 2 měsíci +1

    (12:35) That's a crazy looking ship. 🤪😉😎

  • @DirtyHairy1
    @DirtyHairy1 Před 2 měsíci +1

    I would have bet that this is an elaborate setup for a VPN service advertisement ;)

  • @TrickyDickyP
    @TrickyDickyP Před 2 měsíci

    Nice Video... 😊

  • @robina.jensen6114
    @robina.jensen6114 Před 2 měsíci

    The interception takes place where the fiber optic cables are sent into the sea. The HUB's are the easiest place to go on cables. A suspicion Edward Snowden aired many years ago. The NSA tapped all those HUBs. A few years ago, the cable cooperation was confirmed by the former Danish Minister of Defense Claus Hjort Frederiksen..

  • @kangirigungi
    @kangirigungi Před 2 měsíci +1

    You did not mention that unlike in the '90s, most of the online traffic is encrypted, meaning that the most they could recover is what websites you visit and how much data you transfer, but not the data itself. Which makes it a missed opportunity for this video to be sponsored by a VPN provider.

    • @HikaruKatayamma
      @HikaruKatayamma Před 2 měsíci

      Even with a VPN, info providers like Google can track you by cookies, meaning the VPN doesn’t really hide you. VPN’s are good for country hopping so you can get access to region limited services.

  • @katchaontheflipside
    @katchaontheflipside Před 2 měsíci +1

    So did u work together with the Today i found out channel? Since they published about the Ivy bells mission aswell today.

  • @sprint955st
    @sprint955st Před 2 měsíci

    8:33 Duncan Campbell wrote about GCHQ & NSA widespread wiretapping back in 1976 in Time Out magazine the U.K. Google him. This was old news years and years ago. Also, does fibre generate EM radiation? I don’t think so, I might be wrong. At the end of the day, if you read the excellent article in Wired magazine called “Mother Earth Motherboard” about undersea cables, it’s likely the data ‘tapping’ is well understood and widely adopted because people like Google are deploying more and more new cables, and their t and c’s state they can help themselves however they like.

  • @personsunknown2183
    @personsunknown2183 Před 2 měsíci

    In the old world this would work, patch in when timezone updates like y2k or daylight savings.. keylogging and clipboard monitoring at bare metal lvl been about a decade now, the 3 letter agencies approached Linux Torvalds told them to get bent.

  • @noesph1637
    @noesph1637 Před 2 měsíci

    I worked for the company that made those metal tubes 11:05, and on the next background shot. They are big tubes, they are about 2.5m long. (The company I worked for made the steel tubes and put the coating on them, we didn't do any of the inner workings).

    • @mokiloke
      @mokiloke Před 2 měsíci

      Inner workings provided by NSA?

    • @noesph1637
      @noesph1637 Před 2 měsíci

      Nearly, type that in the reverse order. Owned by a big Finnish company . (I don't want to say, just in case. But I think they are quite good clues).
      The sub-con machine shop I worked in is in the UK. But we made loads of parts for many different companies in the defence industry. You would get a drawing from the customer, and It would have their company logo in the corner of the drawing somewhere. But it always very much the case of 'We are not going to tell you what this part is used in, you don't need to know that. Just make the parts'.@@mokiloke

  • @MattyEngland
    @MattyEngland Před 2 měsíci +23

    All operating systems are compromised anyway, so if they didn't get it from the cable they'd take it straight from your laptop/phone

    • @TavishMcEwen
      @TavishMcEwen Před 2 měsíci +1

      not TempleOS

    • @MattyEngland
      @MattyEngland Před 2 měsíci +4

      @@TavishMcEwen Even if you have a open source operating system, you can guarantee that the device itself is compromised at the hardware level.

    • @TavishMcEwen
      @TavishMcEwen Před 2 měsíci +1

      @@MattyEngland yup

    • @user-bw6jg4ej2m
      @user-bw6jg4ej2m Před 2 měsíci

      @@MattyEngland don't you trust the _Trusted_ Platform Module?
      /s :D

    • @user-bw6jg4ej2m
      @user-bw6jg4ej2m Před 2 měsíci

      @@MattyEngland don't you trust the _Trusted_ Platform Module? :D

  • @theloneranger2101
    @theloneranger2101 Před 2 měsíci

    What has always puzzled me, is how the cable laying ships could carry enough cable to go from the UK to America across the Atlantic Ocean, approximately Four Thousand Miles across, thats without knowing the length needed for the Cable to reach the Sea Floor. Also how did they know when the Cable had reached the Sea Floor when laying the Cable, the Atlantic Ocean is not the same depth all the way across, so are some parts of the Cable suspended in the Ocean not reaching the Sea Floor, that just cannot be surely? Also how was this first done in Victorian times in the 1800's. Cables have also been laid from the UK to Australia! how the heck has that been done! I would love to see a full Documentary on how the Cable laying process in the Seas around the World is Accomplished, now that wpuld be very interesting to watch, well to me at least.

  • @withershin
    @withershin Před 2 měsíci +5

    Your private data is typically harvested by interns at telecom companies. The spy thing is cool but not even close to realistic for "private" data. The irony is that people who love their VPN are way more susceptible to the under-water cable harvesting concept.

  • @dziban303
    @dziban303 Před 2 měsíci +7

    Thanks Varys

  • @penumbral_psithurism
    @penumbral_psithurism Před 2 měsíci +1

    6:30 Would that be a form of Van Eck phreaking?

  • @mokiloke
    @mokiloke Před 2 měsíci

    5 eyes will certainly build it into the cable itself. You should have mentioned Quantum communications as this is the next frontier, as well as Satellite harvesting?

  • @QIKUGAMES-QIKU
    @QIKUGAMES-QIKU Před 2 měsíci

    The internet is still your old Copper House phone line

  • @berlindude75
    @berlindude75 Před 2 měsíci +2

    Nauen (small town west of Berlin) = NOW-EN (approx. pronunciation)

    • @ximalas
      @ximalas Před 2 měsíci +1

      Yeah, he should really type these foreign names into Google translate and have a listen.

  • @gwcstudio
    @gwcstudio Před 2 měsíci

    Its tapped at the peering points. Easier to back-haul from there. It's called the new york reach-around

  • @Nighthawke70
    @Nighthawke70 Před 2 měsíci

    Not likely. IVY BELLS taught the military and telecoms how to shield and guard their data in undersea cables even more so.
    When fiber optics came along, this improved the degree of protection even more. Point to point encryption on fiber trunks is the industry standard, and the complexity of the keys is always increasing to prevent casual or even determined eavesdropping.
    If someone attempts to tap into a fiber optic sheath, the sensors and computers monitoring the cable on a millisecond basis, will detect the variance and notify the control center techs. They will then analyze the variance and determine if there is a need for further testing. If they suspect a problem that might cause loss of data integrity or espionage, they may shut down the trunk and notify superiors, who may send out a repair ship to lift the cable and repair. Then re-route traffic through another link.
    Other than sending a destroyer out carrying ASROC rocket-launched torpedoes, there is very little physical to do to prosecute the offender. A complaint through the UN security council with sufficient evidence is about the only thing we can do.

  • @kizzjd9578
    @kizzjd9578 Před 2 měsíci

    The british set up a fake house and tv tower which was inline with the main entry/exit of the irish repeater station which intercepted all comms. Ringway manchester did a video on it

  • @kapa1611
    @kapa1611 Před 2 měsíci

    👍👍great video. it's not just interesting, but also an important topic.
    i also like that you touched on the US having better civil liberties protections than Europe (although you only mentioned the UK). and how they weasle around that by intelligence agencies sharing the data :/

  • @KevynDaquin
    @KevynDaquin Před 2 měsíci +7

    11:28 a correction my friend: fiber optics do not produce electromagnetic energy since its light based, the only energy that flows through those cables is the one used to power up the fiber extenders along the cables. since attenuation in the strands decreases the quality of the light transmitted in the glass at certain distances. hence it cannot be tapped into.
    The only way that you can intercept the data is by cutting the strand of fiber, splicing it to an sfp (Small Form-factor Pluggable connector generally used to send and receive information through network cables) and decode the data through a switch and a server.
    Another problem is that fiber optics are so advanced nowadays, a proprietary software in the server at each end will be able to sense any changes in the fiber by measuring the changes of the light being received, meaning as soon as something happens to the cable, it will trigger an alarm that will stop all data coming through the cable and redirect it through a different one placed for redundancy.

    • @Phosphoenol_pyruvate_CK
      @Phosphoenol_pyruvate_CK Před 2 měsíci +3

      From my elementary physics, light belongs to the VISIBLE SPECTRUM of the Electromagnetic waves

    • @adama7752
      @adama7752 Před 2 měsíci

      evanescent waves. Photo optics 101

    • @EinzigfreierName
      @EinzigfreierName Před 2 měsíci

      10:29 shows how it is most likely done.

    • @user-lp2op9uu1w
      @user-lp2op9uu1w Před 2 měsíci +1

      The issue is during boosting stages which happens regularly along the fibers on the sea floor, the signal is converted from light to voltage and then retransmitted as light.
      I struggle to see how you would pick up on these extreme high frequencies but I suppose physically it is possible.

    • @zvpunry1971
      @zvpunry1971 Před 2 měsíci

      @@user-lp2op9uu1w There are optical amplifiers.
      It is like a fiber laser, in which a fiber gets pumped by a light source until spontaneous emission occurs and is amplified... in an optical amplifier it is the same, but it amplifies the light that is coupled into one end of the fiber. In this case the signal that is transmitted through it.
      By the way, it's too much effort to access garbage-data on the ground of the sea, in a time where people store their data on other peoples computers (the cloud). The governments already have laws to force the cloud providers and internet service providers to give them copies of the data, that is so much easier.

  • @mjedras82
    @mjedras82 Před 2 měsíci +1

    I'm really surprised, that this video wasn't sponsored by NordVPN...

  • @para4436
    @para4436 Před 2 měsíci

    Was thinking just that yesterday. They have a million ways of messing with us lol.

  • @langdons2848
    @langdons2848 Před 2 měsíci

    While the internet can by design route around damage, you absolutely do not need to cut all of the cables to cripple a nation's access to the rest of the world. You only need to cut enough cables that the bandwidth available via the remaining cables is saturated and then everything grinds to a halt.
    Making a network unusable is as good as killing it entirely.

  •  Před 2 měsíci

    I don't think it is quite like that.
    Even for governments, it's very much like trying to drink from a hydrant. A big one.
    It's easy to route and forward data on the net, think vanes, pipes and pumps, but sifting and processing it as a whole... is a bit much.
    And the dynamics of the internet do not make it any easier.

  • @rrmackay
    @rrmackay Před 2 měsíci +7

    Your data is being harvested somewhere, there are millions of connection points on land that are already hacked.

    • @cppguy16
      @cppguy16 Před 2 měsíci

      Internet traffic cannot be hacked. If your data is harvested, it's because online shops, social media, financial institutions and everyone else sell. Not because the cable is hacked. That's nonsense. And scams and other social engineering. The cable is impossible to hack.

  • @zlm001
    @zlm001 Před 2 měsíci

    Thanks.

  • @brainwater
    @brainwater Před 2 měsíci +4

    Given the number of cloudflare and other cdn servers everywhere, I'd bet most traffic doesn't travel via undersea cables when it only has to go from the nearest exchange point to your provider to you.

    • @HikaruKatayamma
      @HikaruKatayamma Před 2 měsíci

      The data has to be seeded across the cables to get it across the pond. Still, that’s going to be encrypted so it’s not a security issue. You’re better off compromising the server than sniffing the data.

  • @normanmadden
    @normanmadden Před 2 měsíci

    I read the headline, and the "Under The Sea" song is now stuck in my head.....
    /but Sebastian Crab has a Russian accent. /LOL

  • @Captainmactavish28
    @Captainmactavish28 Před 2 měsíci

    Most individuals dont really need to worry about this because most modern web services use ssl/tls encryption

  • @brantwedel
    @brantwedel Před 2 měsíci +1

    So to answer the question: No my private data is not being harvested, but my public internet data is (the public routing information of my SSL packets) 😆

  • @dcasteaux9181
    @dcasteaux9181 Před 2 měsíci

    All internet traffic is routed to GCHQ in Cheltenham.

  • @leenevin8451
    @leenevin8451 Před 2 měsíci

    Was expecting NORD VPN not a pen advert hahaha

  • @rogerc7960
    @rogerc7960 Před 2 měsíci

    Your maps are from landing point to landing point, many cables route through British oversea territories. Where a copy of the data is made.

    • @edc1569
      @edc1569 Před 2 měsíci

      No one is just capturing all of the data, you’d drown in it all.

  • @BLX187
    @BLX187 Před 2 měsíci

    nice pen.. but theyre mark up must be crazy 7 quid build cost max

  • @bmiller949
    @bmiller949 Před 2 měsíci

    Watch out for hungry barnacles... 🤣

  • @blapty
    @blapty Před 2 měsíci

    Thought for sure wed be getting a spot for DejureVPN

  • @jean-clauderainville677
    @jean-clauderainville677 Před 2 měsíci +2

    One interesting item is that the UK reused two of the german cables it had cut leading to america as "war reparation". It can still be seen crossing a beach in cornwall to this day I believe. Mark Thomas produced a remarquable video about all those cables on Cornwall's beaches and where they go.
    czcams.com/video/K_nnUbX7uuQ/video.htmlsi=6lzXK5BneNMh_DSM

  • @richardmillhousenixon
    @richardmillhousenixon Před 2 měsíci

    While yes, it is theoretically possible to break encryption, it is not something that can really be done on a widespread scale. If your security is going to be breached, there's a high chance it will be because of your own mistakes due to social engineering of some sort

  • @carbon_no6
    @carbon_no6 Před 2 měsíci +2

    American - I’m gonna tell on you to Russia!
    Russian - I’m gonna tell on you for telling on us!

  • @KarldorisLambley
    @KarldorisLambley Před měsícem

    4.35 one would have thought a Neptune blue thing would be the same colour as Neptune, and Uranus. Not some odd dark colour.

  • @CatBind
    @CatBind Před 2 měsíci

    Can they even read the stolen data if its encrypred? I dont see an issue of them having a scramble of 1s an 0s.

  • @nancymedlin8682
    @nancymedlin8682 Před 2 měsíci

    His shrit design is unreal , like what is it ? Recoon faces 🦝?LoL Cant quite tell. I like it,just abit distracting. Im have problems focusing.🙃
    Oh well , guess i should listen 👂 more...yes...our data..cabels..and the release & captured peesonal data of everyone! Great history recap narration. Most appreciated,well done. Thank you. Especially for the science 🔭 behind it all. God Bless 🤍🫂🤳🙏🌌🌍🌌&all the children 👣of the🕊️ 🌎❤️‍🔥🌏🕊️✝️♾️ God protect them!!🤸

  • @kkupsky6321
    @kkupsky6321 Před 2 měsíci

    I want a pen. Take all the space bucks and cerns land. That thing is actual magic. Have my house. Can we scale it up? Oh geez. Do I have to have carriages stuck in me?

  • @gomberfu
    @gomberfu Před 2 měsíci

    HTTPS (encrypted traffic) should be safe from tapping. It is end to end encryption.

  • @xliquidflames
    @xliquidflames Před 2 měsíci

    2:39 HMTS or HTMS? The caption says one but he says the other verbally.
    I know. I hate me, too.

  • @JukkaSundell
    @JukkaSundell Před 2 měsíci

    Russian owned cargo ship newnew polar bear cut 2 data lines and gas line on Baltic sea, using only 1 anchor. The ship was Chinese, operating from Chinese port, but its owners are said to be Russian. China has a lot of these medium sized cargo ships, all "armed" with anchors, ready to cut any/and all data lines.

  • @aMh3c9
    @aMh3c9 Před 2 měsíci

    Expected a nord vpn ad not an ad for a pen

  • @richardb4313
    @richardb4313 Před 2 měsíci

    Did Today I found Out intercept the cables from Curious Droid? 2 videos, same topic, only hours apart.

  • @bryanholland6987
    @bryanholland6987 Před 2 měsíci

    What is Alu Minineum? Is that similar to Aluminum? Or is that different?

  • @auro1986
    @auro1986 Před 2 měsíci

    which means every sea creature or alien or under sea civilization knows what me and you surf around including whatever data i input ?

  • @forbiddenera
    @forbiddenera Před 2 měsíci

    I think the opening fact in this video MUST be incorrect. I do internet architecture design and the #1 thing we do is ensure data travels the LEAST amount. That generally means that, even if the content was generated overseas, it's already been cached at a local edge server bwfore you accesed it. See services like cloudlfare caching, AWS global accelerator and the like. Considering that, 99% makss no sense, I'd bet the opposite - that 99% of the average users traffic only travels to the closest edge center or maybe closest primary datacenter, eg. East/West coast in NA usually. None of that goes undersea.

    • @forbiddenera
      @forbiddenera Před 2 měsíci

      Also let me clarify that I don't doubt that an absolute metric f-ton does, hence most datacenters being close to the coast, but not 99% of ALL traffic.

  • @MrMikeV00
    @MrMikeV00 Před 2 měsíci

    As a security professional i will answer in short simple answer. YES.

  • @brantwedel
    @brantwedel Před 2 měsíci

    So what doe they even get, as far as "we" know, SSL/HTTPS traffic is not cracked yet. I guess you would get the public part of the packets which would include IP address of source and destination. I think you can see if say, a country or individual suddenly starts sending loads of data to a particular other country or individual 🤔 ... also, why is this not a VPN ad, you could have charged double!!!

  • @bigskunk801
    @bigskunk801 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Because of the privacy laws in the US. the US government hands the spying to England then it shares with the US and vice versa. There’s an agreement between the countries not to charge for any crimes

  • @i.k.8868
    @i.k.8868 Před 2 měsíci

    Yes, in the Netherlands.