Why Man of Steel isn't very good
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- čas přidán 25. 07. 2024
- Recently I have been getting into a lot of arguments with people on X, the everything app, mostly relating to how superman was depicted in the 2014 to 2021 DC Extended Universe. Or DCEU for short. Which was the, mostly, Zack Snyder led franchise of movies centered around the DC universe of Superheroes. It acted as a direct counter to everything Marvel was doing with the MCU that started 5 years earlier… and is still going almost 3 years after… something must have happened outside of their control. I mean, the movies at least have to have been good right…
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Chapters:
00:00 What is the DCEU
01:30 Objective v Subjective Opinions
04:37 What the video is ACTUALLY about
05:16 Movie Start
25:38 I'm not contradicting myself I swear
32:04 Now back to Man of Steel
35:39 Final Review
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Holy crap who cares?
I honestly think that man of steel is a terrible Superman movie that doesn't understand the basics of who Superman is and what he stands for.
@@StareachValcin i personally just don’t like it at all, but that’s a subjective opinion so i can’t go off of it so i had to be more fair and give it a 4.5
@@oscilao5872 I honestly feel that it takes away too much from who Superman is and builds nothing from it. Subjective opinion or not, I stand by my statement that Man of Steel doesn't understand Superman.
@@StareachValcin I very much respect that opinion!!!
@@oscilao5872 thanks.
That's how most Superman and DC fans feel and that's why this movie and every Snyder Superman movie underperformed
Superman vs the Elite is the ideal way to wash off the bad mouthtaste that Snyder's Superman leaves
@@elin111 i think the movie looks a bit ugly imo. i know i’m the minority here on that, but it is a pretty good story nonetheless
That movie/comic is the writer visibly coping about anti-heroes outselling this Superman run.
Snydercultists are so Delusional that they think Snyder's Superman reinvented superman and made him more interesting.
I don't think Snyder has ever been in an actual tornado there is so much fear and things going on no one would notice Clark if he ran in grabbed his father and run away without being noticed
@@SuperAz1981 EXACTLY
The bus and tornado scene highlight flaws in this approach to superman. The bus scene turns him into an idiot, who would push a bus in front of witnesses. Not only that but the implication of a hero complex, doing it so he can be seen as a hero. The tornado scene, why didnt Pa kent trust Clark to rescue the dog? Would the father of a firfighter run into a burning building if his firefighter son was standing next to him because he didn't want to put his son in danger? This movie only has one redeeming scene, when Clark flies for the first time, and we get a glimpse of the real superman
@@simonfarrell5675 i wouldnt say clark pushing the bus makes him dumb or having a hero complex, i think it was the simplest decision. I just think that the response to him getting caught shouldn’t be getting told NOT to do it, but instead being told NOT to do it the easy way
I feel like this whole 36 minute video could've been shaved down to like less than 10, it wasn't very snappy, pace was really slow, the talking points felt unscripted with a lot of dead air. A video should go in beats, like a dance or a song, all to retain attention and interest, this one lost me after 8 minutes.
thank you for the criticism actually, i'll try to make it a little simpler in the future although i will say the original recording was an hour long and i really tried to cut it down without it being super jump cut focused. i think that next time i'll be a little more focused on the important parts instead of cramming like 3 videos into one (although it was very scripted btw i am just bad at following the scripts)
Personally i don’t hate man of steel but also I don’t think all that good either. Dare I say that the movie is kinda boring and forgettable, like I get baffled when someone says it’s one of the top 10 superhero movies bc I genuinely don’t see how. I mean the movie has great cinematography, action, and the very best thing that came out of this movie was definitely the first flight scene, every thing else like the actual story itself is kinda mediocre, but overall it’s just ok 👌.
@@2kx62 this is fair, I think i’m a little more negative in this video but it has some great parts to it!
Build on, not "build off of"
@@christheghostwriter thank you
while the movie is meh, i only liked the action bits bc its the only superman action stuff we had got in a long time. they went full anime with it which was ok with me but its only like ten minutes of action.
@@krono5el that is true, honestly it’s some of the only decent superman action ever put to film imo. but i will say that it doesn’t feel like there is any character to the action. i reference this in the video but it feels like superman isn’t doing what he normally would. there are no actual stakes until the end and even then superman acts out of character
you have very pretty eyes 😍(great video osci)
@@raghavpant6846 thank you @raghavpant6846 i hope you watched all the way through and didn’t tank my viewer retention
My biggest problem problem with The scene where Klark kills Zod is that the movie acts like this is shocking like He would never Do this sort off thing, but like no througout the entire movie He acts like a huge asshole and his father brutal, He never ahs a moment where he has a vow to never kill, He doesn't even care about casualties. So yeah this version of superman killing Zod isn't even shocking.
yeah! i think it's possible to tell an interesting story where clark grows up more brutal and willing to kill, but this movie not only doesn't seem to be trying that, it also can't try that. this was supposed to be THE superman, you can't have a deconstructive superman without the baseline and Zack wanted both at once
He doesn't act like an a-hole at all though bar the tornado scene.
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@@madeline1714 did I call it something else?
@@oscilao5872 yes?
@@madeline1714 what did i say if not X, the everything app? I think the name change is dumb i’d never call it anything else
@@oscilao5872 you think the name change is bad, but you still use it. Why?
@@madeline1714 i used it? idk i’m gonna have to ask grok about this, grok can answer ANY question
Snydercult is so delusional, it’s genuinely unbelievable to me
@@20minutehotdog i can see it a little bit, it’s just annoying… like it’s a comic book guy who flies around in a onesie with a blanket around his neck y’know
Man of steel is a good henry cavil movie but probably not the best Superman movie
hmm. I haven't seen a lot of Henry Cavil movies. I assume he has a little bit more range than is shown in this movie, but I am going to trust you on this and say that you have a very good way of phrasing it. thank you
@@oscilao5872 thanks good video
Was this filmed one year ago? June of 2013 would be 11 years ago, No?….lol
Yea I think it missed many marks on the Superman Character, it was real slow, left you kinda confused. However it’s a excellent Cavil film. Henry is certainly, for me at least, the best Superman actor. He has the look, the demeanor, tone of voice. They nailed it picking him for the role. Course leave it to DC to ruin it. They have just tanked their biggest cash cows. Superman, Wonder Woman, Batman……I’m convinced DC just hates money lol.
@@Silver_79 yeah i realized after filming, i thought it was 2013 until like halfway through editing and decided that it was close enough lmao
@@oscilao5872 right lol....I couldn't help myself.
Man of Steel is bad for two reasons Superman has no personality and Jonathan Kent died by a tornado. This film is a terrible way to introduce Superman's character. It felt like Manchester Black made a Superman film. Superman: The Movie is superior to this film in every way possible. Christopher Reeve will always be the greatest Superman in the movies. He truly embodied the role of Superman. He was charismatic, charming, and goodhearted that's how Superman is supposed to be.
@@callmejacob3234 i think we’ve had some other incredible supermen, most of them do seem to be held back in some way, even christopher. maybe i’ll make that video soon
@@oscilao5872 Tyler Hoechlin and Tom Welling are also really good. Superman: The Animated Series and My Adventures With Superman are incredible.
@@callmejacob3234 my adventures with superman is gay
@@dukeheavens9990 We're all entitled to our own opinions. I don't agree but go off.
@@dukeheavens9990 everyone can have there opinion. With that said no it is not gay.
gg
I think people did miss the point of the tornado scene. You can disagree but the point was, that Clark’s ENTIRE life would change the second the government knew about him. They’d monitor him, probably secretly find ways to take him out, maybe do things to his family….. Johnathan didn’t want any of that for Clark and while yes he shouldn’t have basically sacrificed himself, he did it in hopes that Clark could try to live a normal life. “Can’t we just pretend I’m your son?” “Ooohhh Clark, you ARE my son” he just wanted a normal life for him, he wanted Clark to not be alienated despite being an Alien
@@matthewwelles8422 My problem is that this is such a less well thought out and more poorly developed character for Jonathan Kent, John is scared of what will happen if Clarks secret got out because he is a dad, but he also believes that Clark SHOULD use his gifts to help people when possible. Like I said, John would be upset about the bus but not because it happened, instead he would be upset that Clark was seen
he works to motivate and help clark understand that there is a way to save people and protect himself, he’s one of the core reasons behind the “there’s always another way” motto that superman lives by
snyder's superman is a boring character, I really hope gunn does him justice next movie
@@FlickWith I hope so too! all it takes is someone who wants to make the movie and I think Gunn is that person
@@oscilao5872 Without name dropping GOTG a MCU Kevin Feige film what other films b y Gunn gives you that notion?
@@gohanson27 peacemaker and the suicide squad are great examples that aren’t Guardians of the Galaxy. hell even the scooby doo movies have heart and love in them
@@oscilao5872 Peacemaker did ok on stream and if you read comics that's not Peacemaker from the comics. So are you expecting Superman from the comics? If so which comic run or novel? Do you know none of the GOTG characters were portrayed correctly from the comics? So again do you expect Superman to be? The Suicide Squad tanked at the box office while other films during the shutdown made bank. It's funny how the only James Gunn films that are talked about are the one that are controlled by Feige. The MCU machine is the reason why GOTG is a success but none of the films crossed over to a billion dollars. Do you expect the Superman film to cross a billion? IMO Gunn and Snyder are one in the same, directors with a certain flaw. DC needs a producer in charge to be successful. A producer who has his eyes and hands on everything to keep the directors in check. Heart isn't going to get you to a billion dollars and a successful universe. Hell Iron Man didn't have heart just a straight forward solid story about the main character who is just like how he is in the comics which lead to comic fans loving it and non comic fans loving it. I hope Gunn does DC justice but again he is just like Snyder.
@@gohanson27 you should make your own youtube channel if you’re so easy to counter every statement with something batshit insane, also The Suicide Squad did just fine at the box office, it was just released to streaming simultaneously which split the audience. also characters don’t need to be fully comic accurate if they maintain their core characteristics
Clown, Man of Steel is the best superman movie to date. Zack treated superman as a character with actual character development. Idiots wanted the same boring shit and Zack gave us a masterpiece instead.
@@Auron1Roxas2 what character development. he doesn’t do anything for like an hour and a half and then kills someone. they could have had so many super easy hits when it comes to character arcs, have a scene where maybe clark says that like “journalism is a useless job” and Jonathan can be like “it let’s you protect people with knowledge.” or some shit, that way we can have john be not wanting clark to do heroism and risk his identity but still show respect for people who do want to protect people. It would also make the ending scene being one where Clark decides to become a journalist randomly just because his girlfriend works there, make sense.
it’s like 2 or 3 lines of dialogue that would add ANY character development to this movie, but it just doesn’t have any of that. the movie goes out of it’s way to not show us characters developing in a realistic, maturely written manner
Nice video. These comments are wack tho
@@spamserket i’m trying to keep it together so hard lmao
Yet you're here talking about it....bro PLEASE stop mentioning Snyder and his work when making a DC related content i know it gets you views and interactions but please i don't want that franchise killer in DC anymore specially his cult
@@KneedsG I just wanted to talk about the movie man, it is also a great excuse to talk about a good superman comic
Take a breath bro its his page. Stop trying to exert control. Weird asf
@seancollins6572 eat a dlck or something what i did was more like begging rather than controlling
@@seancollins6572 it’s fine i can understand the frustration. I am contributing to a problem but I also think that I am also trying to contribute to a solution (sharing good comics with people who may not know about them)
@oscilao5872 bruh everybody knows about this(topic) it's ALL OVER CZcams this isn't the first vid to say MOS was good and brought up good comics....
*superman do good ting because he is innately good not because he Norman bates mommy boy* this is an assumed axiom that u r applying to previous takes on Superman it is not an *objective truth* that applies to older takes on the character
@@ethanjannes7587 when did I say anything about mommy boy. Also, he is not innately good, he was just raised to be good by his parents
Zack had some good ideas, but we needed to start off with the Superman we're used to, and then he could have gone darker/brooding-er. They wanted a new Dark Knight trilogy after the Batman films ended.People now think it was always intended to kickstart a DCU it's was NOT, originally it was intended to be 3 films in Nolan's Batman' style of realism. Nolan is a producer on it and worked with/suggested Zack on it.
No dumbass he didn't. Nothing about it was "dark or broody" you clowns need to come up with something new cause you've been proven wrong already. They didn't want a dark knight trilogy they wanted a superman movie so they made a superman movie. It was never intended to be 3 films, Zack had a whole universe planned out for the next 10 years and even had a way to end it planned out as well. We got the greatest superhero movies ever made thanks to Zack, regardless of the idiots who cried about it.
It’s mad ironic when ppl start their Snyder bashing with “conflating subjective opinions with objective blah” and then proceed to do nothing but replay clips of Superman *not acting like Superman* and make no case for why the movie fails on its own terms
@@ethanjannes7587 the point is that the movie fails as a Superman movie by the objective standard of knowing what superman is supposed to be like
I also didn’t really “replay clips” i mostly just talked about moments that I don’t think work. I honestly should have used more footage I was just scared of copyright
"mostly directed by Zack Snyder" Snyder didn't even do a third of that franchise
@@elin111 he had writing credits on a few of the movies that weren’t his. i meant director as in he was the lead vision of the movies
I respect you and your opinion but I am also going to disagree with your take😅.
@@jeremyduru2683 that’s valid! thank you for watching and hearing me out, that’s all that matters
It’s great. You’re part of a weird cult
@@roachofdoom1234 me and my cult brothers believe that you are entitled to like the movie so long as you watch the entirety of my video 👻👻👻
"You're part of a weird cult" says the literal cultist 😂
I LOVED Man of Steel,thought it was a-GREAT-movie too. And Superman is an-ALIEN-pretending to be human. I also enjoy how the Kryptonians are more military like ( more like soldiers ) and they have other planets under their control and not just Krypton.Zor-EL even defeats Zod in hand-to-hand combat.The best Superman film in my opinion-EVER.
@@user-be7tc2bd6e Superman isn’t pretending to be human, he was human first, he didn’t know he was an alien until so late into life
but i do think your thoughts and opinion are pretty valid here nonetheless
@@oscilao5872 As Clark Kent he's pretending to be human to fit in human society,other wise he'd tell them he's a Kryptonian.
@@oscilao5872 Thank you.
@@user-be7tc2bd6e Clark Kent is as much Superman as Superman, but Clark is just his way of being a person and living a full life. He doesn't tell people because he doesn't want to always be seen as superman because that's not really who he is, Superman is an exaggerated version of Clarks alien side as much as "Clark Kent" is an exagerated version of Clarks human side
MOS is better than every DC movie, and almost every Marvel Movie. The only two flicks on MOS level, are Winter Soldier and the original Avengers….
Respectfully, you don’t know what you’re talking about ……..
Goodnight!
MoS is definitely *NOT* better than every Marvel or DC movie. It's not better than Watchmen or Green Lantern, and it's not even better than X-Men Origins Wolverine or Iron Man 3.
@@therobotafroshow3289 i feel like we’re on a pretty even playing field in terms on knowing what we’re talking about honestly
Did you say, Man Of Steel is not better than Green Lantern?
We shall never speak again …
Good day sir*
@@therobotafroshow3289hey bro. Shhhhh go meditate, do some self reflection and come back. So dramatic. Gaddamn
@@seancollins6572 Girl bye!
The problem with CZcamsrs is they lie a lot for views. This video is full of lies and incorrect statement about a comic character and film which is too bad. Bro be honest in your videos, do research then post. Lying is wack. Base on your logic all Superman films are bad except Superman Returns? Your logic says so. So either your lying or have to do TONS of research. 23
@@gohanson27 am sorry brain so bad and no have do research. can you explain point by point with timestamp to each moment that are lie? me too dumb brrrrrr
@@oscilao5872 you do your research. For every statement you make about MOS put that same logic to the other films and see how that logic holds up. The dos and donts of the character. I did, and was pretty shocked with the results. That's why I was surprised by the claims in your video. I'm thinking like did you watch other films about Superman?
@@gohanson27that’s fucking cap and u know it bro, like literally the whole pa Kent death is million times better in the reeves movie cause guess what it shows that even tho u have all these powers and you’re the strongest sometimes u can’t save someone from death and he learns from that this movie tells Kent that yeah be afraid and conceal your powers because it’s bad like gtfo synder isn’t going to let u suck him off
@@gohanson27 i would really like for you to tell me which points don’t hold up, also bold of you to assume that this is the only superman film that i don’t like. Maybe I hate all the movies you don’t know
The only part I liked was superman learning to fly other than that It was really boring
So you watched it with your head up your own ass.
Im pretty sure half of these MoS simpling is just ChatGPT bots at this point
@@ChaoticHaze i’m trying to believe that every comment is a real person
@@oscilao5872 see I view it different. Anyone who says something silly like MoS being better than the dark knight are actual bots, and you should stop talking to them whenever they say it.
@@ChaoticHaze idk I think that i'm pretty good at finding bots, but I think that there are also people who genuinely believe that which is fine and valid.i wouldn't be setting much of an example if I just ignored people who I thought were wrong y'know.