Batman v Superman - The Worst Superhero Movie Ever Made?
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Hey guys! So at around 34:08 I originally played the "Martha" scene in full. But whoever owns Hans Zimmer's music decided that the faint score playing in that scene was grounds to block the video! So since the video has already been up CZcams only offered me to remove that chunk of the video which left a weird editing glitch between cuts. Can't do anything about it! But at least this way the video is monetized and actually viewable worldwide. I'll probably be making a video on this issue because as some of you know this happened on the last Worst Superhero Movies video too. Anyway thanks for watching bye byeee
Crap, barely missed it. Now I have to go pay and watch this whole movie to see that part.
Uh oh CZcams made a stinky poo poo oh no
lol
Ok
Dude you commented as I was watching this lol
Zac Snyder on trial for murder: “nah nah nah I didn’t kill him. I blew up his car and he happened to be in it”.
He won't even need to use that technicality as a defense because it's a clear case of self-defense; Snyder'd would be acquitted even if he shot directly at the criminals.
@@zhengyingli what if Snyder blew em up first?
@@zhengyingli why do I see you in 2 separate video defending Snyder?😐
Ironically, I think Henry Cavil out of character looks and acts far more like Superman than he does in the actual movies!
I hate Snyder's directing so much. He did the opposite with Eisenberg and Cavill. It's like he said to Jesse: Just play Luthor like yourself, like you wanted to be. And then told Henry: You be nothing like you, let me show you.
@@OsSas3 :) "Think Jesus, but less relatable"
I share the thought. I don't read the comics so Donner and Reeves's take as my standard, I remember watching 'The Man From U.N.C.L.E.' and in some split seconds of the movie, I thought I was seeing Reeves or Superman, instead of Cavill.
I never saw either when Cavill's actually in the role.
@@OsSas3 lol stop it cavill played a realistic grounded superman ppl always crying about it's too dark smh petty
@@seaniveroni5579 lol you're confusing unemotional and edgy for realistic and grounded.
Imagine if Superman's mum had a different name.
Superman: "Save Jenny!"
Batman: **impales Superman through the heart**
J is close to M in the alphabet, so I think he would of spared him anyway
@@acidicshow5258supes: ”s-save J-Jartha
Bats: “WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME”
Even " save my mom" would have worked, because Batman blames himself for not being able to save his parents, so he would have understood,
But save martha is just corny 😂😂
@@rocky3850even a simple "Mom" would've worked.
@@Nazoto 😂😂
If Batman kills in this universe, then HOW IN THE FLYING FUCK IS THE JOKER ALIVE?!
Bc He didn't always kill. That's literally the whole point, that He's too far gone, and yet by the end He manages to raise up again.
@@pepeelghetto1231 9 times out of 10 Joker is the first person to die from Batman if he breaks. And most of the time its because Joker went too far on something. From what we are supposed to infer Joker killed Robin and thats why Batman kills now. That means Joker should ABSOLUTELY be dead. he should be first on the hit list.
@@bluefiremarkii No bc the first person Batman is going to straight up murder in the movie is Superman, and bc of a sense of duty against who he sees as a god able to wipe out humanity.
After him, Bruce might as well just go and murder Joker, but as we see, Batman begins getting out of that state after Clark's sacrifice.
The point of no return would've been if he killed superman in this continuity.
@@pepeelghetto1231 are you stupid? He literally murders and has been murdering criminals all movie long and supposedly before the movie too. Superman is NOT his first kill, but honestly it would've been better if it was and he was using things like alien to justify it. But no, superman is just "another" person to kill, just very dangerous and powerful.
And you know even a 1% chance apparently isn't a big deal because the very next film he says he failed him and revives him, only for him to turn evil in the next movie we never got, proving him right. Woop de doo. Horrendous writing.
@@pepeelghetto1231Are you trying to justify terrible writing? OMG!
You know it’s a dc movie when you have your phone brightness all the way up.
Holy shit that's so true
🤣 spot on.. Tv too !
@Kermit Peanut DC fan boy
@Kermit Peanut 😂😂😂😂
@Kermit Peanut Frank Miller you mean the same person that wrote the terrible all star batman yeah what a fucking achievement, yeah no because the guy that had Robin eat rats and bruce abuse alfred in his all star run definitely knows much more about the character. "but hes a veteran writer" i could give a shit fans recognized immediately that batman is not portrayed like that, so im pretty sure fans have a better sense of character than both snyder and miller, fucking "casual" so naive 😂😒
Anybody remember that brief moment at the beginning of Dark Knight where a fake Batman fires a gun and Scarecrow immediately concludes "That's not him"? Zack Snyder should be tied down to a chair and made to watch that clip on repeat one hour everyday for the rest of his life.
Why would bale use guns to kill someone, when he can burn them to death instead
Glad someone noticed that detail in the scene. So subtle yet it says so much about Batman’s character. Even the villains know he refuses to use guns. Snyder has nothing on Nolan
@@kaibrigance278 Batfleck never held guns in his hands to kill people. The only time where he used guns to kill was parademons in Zack Snyder's Justice League.
@@kasadam85 ah yes. Since he didn't hold the gun in his hands, it's completely fine to obliterate a whole car full of people with a machine gun. After all, the Batmobile was holding it.
Oooh, you need to read some more comics buddy, Batman has used guns and killed people before.
"Meanwhile superman is sad about people calling him a murder and Loius is sad because she's dating a murder and in all of the while batman is in his fucking cave planning a murder" best part of the video.
SO FUNNNYYYY
@@Tigerheiress you right! It is!
I agree but you wrote murder instead of murderer
"batman is now winning because he farted on superman"
@@93bendzsi now this is almost wins the prize of best thing said about this movie
I love that zack tried to deconstruct a batman he didn't even bother to construct in the first place
THANK YOU!
Genuinely, I don’t think this was a deconstruction. Zack likes The Dark Knight Returns Batman, and he doesn’t like Robin, so he just made TDKR Batman and removed Robin from the story.
He didn’t make TDKR Batman though. Only visual. If he didn’t like Robin he wouldn’t have even thrown in that suit in the display case
@@mitchell7309nah having a dead son is too edgy for zack not to take advantage of
LOL It's like looking at a set of puzzle pieces and then you decide to cut each puzzle piece in half with scissors just because you think it'll make you look smart.
Jonathan Kent: "Let them die, Clark."
Uncle Ben: "Kill them all, Peter."
Oh yes, the famous line.
"With great power, comes great manslaughter"
Peter doesn't kill people like at all.
Don’t forget about Alfred saying to bat man “you must get revenge”
comeon he said "maybe"
Woolie and Matt approved murder
"I'm not going to talk about man of steel in depth" proceeds to talk about it for half the video
Lol I’m not complaining tbh, it’s like a 2-in-1
I’m pretty sure he meant that he wasn’t going to break the movie down scene by scene
Better than talking about BvS, in all fairness
@@speeddemonji9547 "You have a single fact to back that up?"
@@glibchubik4090 who are you quoting?
Having Doomsday shoehorned at the end of this movie, is like if at the end of Iron Man 2, Thanos randomly shows up
Maybe Abomination or Atrocity would be a more apt comparison but yeah Doomsday is like an AoU-sorta event not dropped into the 2nd film of the whole damn universe.
lmao im cracking up just imaging that
Or like if Cooler popped up during the King Piccolo arc
@@elae4051 That’s a odd comparison but I guess…
@@concept5631who’s atrocity
Batman in this movie wasn't even remotely faithful to the character. He's the world's worst detective who immediately blames Superman for blowing up the courthouse and tries to kill him for it without even conducting an investigation. Batman NEVER takes things at face value like this, and NEVER tries to kill people without looking at any evidence. He NEVER just assumes people are guilty.
Lex is the best detective who knows everything while batman is the worst detective
Batman never tries to kill in the first place.
You’re soft
@@deanparsons389 and u are edgy
@@deanparsons389go read punisher or venom if you want edgy heros
**Zack Snyder directs a Spider-Man movie **
Uncle Ben: Responsibility isn’t all that important in this world Peter, just do whatever you want and hope people don’t hate you for it.
@Ladiesman1447 the choice he gave Clark was save people with your crazy abilities with basically no risk to yourself... or not. Its a pretty wierd set of options. Uncle Ben's with great power talk resonates with people because it pushes Peter and the audience to be better. Peter isn't just being spider man because Ben told him too, he's just a good person. Its a superhero movie, you kinda need that.
*Kill them all, Peter*
Tbf he could maybe do Back in Black....maybe....*maybe*
@@SifuL-xu9do Ah, a fellow SBFP fan!
@Ladiesman1447 Thats the thing. We dont get a downside to Superman existing. Was Lex going to be less evil. Prolly Not. Were the people he saved on that oil rig going to die without him. Probably. We dont get the payoff. We see him rescuing people and the backlit jesus shots but those are the audience not people in the movie. We don't see news broadcasts of the Cult of Superman or world leaders denouncing him. Media coverage really kicks in because he's kinda complicit in destroying like 2 cities and gets framed for a bombing. Clark knows he didn't bomb that place and its not hard to understand why people might think he did so why the fuck is Clark upset at the new when people trash him. Also Pa Kent comes off real sociopath like with the thought process of "those kids should die to preserve Christianity or global politics".
"Batman didn't kill him, the bullets did"~ Zack Snyder
"Superman didn't kill that guy. The heat vision from his eyes did."
@@Xehanort10 it's gravity's fault all those buildings collapsed
It’s the people’s fault for being there in the first place
You guys summed up Snyder fans who defend his work to core. They do make crazy shit up and call it art . Snyder is fine but I wish Matt Reeves took over DCEU way back
Batman didn't beat up that guy to death, he died because of his bones got crushed and he bled to death. Batman didn't even touch him, he had gloves on.
The most memorable moment of watching this movie in the theater was an older gentleman falling asleep, snoring comically loud even during the action scenes. Truly inspirational.
It's why I always loved the DCAU versions of these characters. They always had Superman and Batman be so compassionate. They were still conflicted, flawed, made bad decisions, even tempted to do evil, but in the end it was their compassion that kept them as good guys. Like, DCAU Superman would have never been so selfish and cold as to let his father die just to protect his identity: he'd have thrown his secret identity to the wind in an instant to save ANY innocent, let alone his father.
Comic book Batman once saved a young man from a robbery that left his parents dead.
He got the boy to safety and soon enough, that boy began a life of crime.
Batman caught him robbing an electronic store with a gang and after knocking everyone else out, he confronts the boy, who's pointing a gun at him.
Batman then tells the boy that crime took his parents too, and he told him, "don't become the very thing that took our parents from us."
The kid gave up on crime and reformed himself.
Batfleck would scare that kid into keeping his mouth shut after he brutally tears the robber a new one
@Erik Kemeey bro with all due respect why do you comment SO MUCH? like why are you replying to so many people on this video
@@greatestever4824 “All due respect” what is he, a general? Go off on his ass.
@@billymoak3848 dawg like im deadass he has like 10 comments alone on this page and they're almost all on different people's comments like it's insane
@@greatestever4824 It's not that insane sometimes people just want to comment on multiple comments
@@whoasked376 naw but this dude is commenting on like 7 other peoples comments and most of them are negative or in response to people who disagree with him, its annoying
“Batman is in his fucking cave, PLANNING a murder.” That should not be a sentence.
Congratulations you found the point of batman in the movie
@@lorddonk9806 Then the point should not be a point, are you expecting us to believe that Batman goes around killing thugs and innocent people?
He promised to not let any kid suffer the same fate as him, and he does around killing thugs who have kids...
Snyder is a fucking moron.
@@hailpickens2454 ding ding ding. You get the movie! Although its hard to say hes killing innocent people. The movie shows they arent innocent.
The whole point of the movie is that this IS NOT BATMAN. this is a broken middle aged vigilante who has completely abandoned his ideals. He has lost everyone, harvey dent, jason Todd, and went through ground zero of the metropolis battle. This is not batman anymore. The point of this movie is that batman has become the villain. And supermans sacrifice is the thing that leads him back to the man he once was.
@@hailpickens2454 you missed the point of the movie
@@lorddonk9806 He's still the one which leaves orphans everywhere.
Im sure the Lexcorp guards were innocent.
The movie is about two hypocrates, who do the same thing but wear the same costume
Snyder is really great with visuals, not necessarily visual story telling, but he's really good at making some really cool visuals and that's about it.
I've heard the idea floated several times that Snyder should be a Cinematographer instead of a director. I'm inclined to agree. At least with the right editor behind him
I would say maybe a second unit director. He can do the explosions but he needs someone to steer him and keep him away from the main plot.
He uses a lot of slow mo's, and dark as shit scenes, those goddamn shaky cameras
He has an edgy teen's ideia of cool visuals, it's a headache to watch
@@forty_two42except that time he made a blurry ass zombie movie...
Tbh I feel like a lot of the fighting in this movie would be great for an Invincible live action show/movie
A movie where Superman is kind, apologetic and polite would've actually been really nice to show and could've influenced some young men and boys to be kind, polite and apologetic and to care for people. Superman and a lot of other superheroes are designed to be role models - a kind role model for boys would be amazing.
I think it speaks to why so many young men now flock to Shonen. Not all Shonen protagonists are polite but guys like Tanjiro and Goku show that you don't have to be a hard ass at all times to get the job done, you can be a fundamentally good dude and be an ass kicker.
@@Two-ToneMoonStoneI don't necessarily think superhero comics are bad now, but the publishers don't seem that interested in appealing to kids anymore and I think that's a problem.
@@Two-ToneMoonStonebro so true. Protagonists like Tanjiro, Jonathan Joestar, and Lufy make me want to see just one, just goddamn one Superman movie with their values in Clark. Now I just have to settle with the Lois and Superman show which is also an amazing show.
thats gay
@@awesomewow668So's your dad. I found out last night.
Normal Batman: If you kill a killer the number of killers in the world remains the same.
Snyder Batman: *RIP* *AND* *TEAR*
Okay batman but if you kill like 100 killers it goes down by like 99 right?
Btw big batman fan its a joke
Well, Burton's Batman killed some people too. Remember?
Yet no live action version has adhered to this rule
@@margarethmichelina5146 Yeah, because Burton literally adapted Golden Age Batman (Batman killing, Joker origin, Other Joker elements like him making TV appearances etc.), instead of the version we all know and love. If he did represent the character present in the comics of the 80s that wouldn't happen. It certainly looked like Batman comic.
@@cjdude46 Funny thing is that Bob Kane gave his seal of Approval to Batman 89. Even said it's what he had in mind (as he pissed on Bill Finger's grave).
The reason Bruce Wayne chose the name Batman is because his dad used to beat people’s brains in with a bat.
This
Lmao
I understood that reference
lmfao
It's confirmed. Batman is in the Scorsese mafiaverse
When I first saw the MoS trailer where we get the exchange "What was I supposed to do, let them die?" "Maybe", I thought it was a mean spirited edit made to make the movie look more provocative than it really was, because there's no way John Kent would say that. BUT HE LITERALLY SAYS IT EXACTLY LIKE THAT IN THE MOVIE.
They had Jonathan Kent say the "maybe" line because it's accurate to the source material. In the comics, the Kents told young Clark not to use his powers to help others until he grows up.
@@zhengyingli I'm gonna go out on a limb and say Pa Kent probably didn't say "Maybe let them die" in the comics. Not in any good ones, at least.
@@zhengyingliAre you seriously trying to justify a man literally impliying to a kid he did wrong by saving a bus full of children!?
zack snyders fanbase is proof that even if you totally disregard characters and themes of a work as long as you make it sufficiently cool people will gobble it up lmao
I'm fairly certain they're all middle schoolers who will immediately grow out of it when they hit 16 or 17.
@@octaviusroosevelt7355I hope so. If not I feel bad for them
"It's like a 60-minute long dragonball fight"
So, a dragonball fight.
Except there's more fighting and less "the planet will blow up in 5 minutes" moments, but in a movie like MoS maybe that's not a praise worthy fact
And even a bad one. Even Goku tries to move the fights to barren deserts if he can, and the heroes managed to save the Namekians by wishing them to Earth before their planet blew. Even DBZ had more class than BvS.
A short dragonball fight.
Dragonball has much better choreography
@@azuretiger-kfpmarketingstr6018 so you want superman to teleport all the villians and their ship to desert and fight there??
the problem with this movie is that none of the characters have the exaggerated swagger of the black teen
Batman jumps off buildings though.
When batman jumps of the wayne enterprises building into a full head dive is full of the exaggerated wealth of the white man.
Yeah but Batman could swim
@@adanaziz6929 miles morales' N word pass overrides this shortcoming.
@@eddi8634 good one lol
16:24 😂😂😂 “no stop, my invincible son, do not save my life”
If Clark is invincible, how did he die twice in the future?
@@zhengyingli he's invincible compared to a tornado
@@zhengyingliYou can only kill him with a magic space rock.
@@zhengyingliClark can die but it’s only from Kryptonite, magic and maybe removing him from a yellow sun for a long time
A tornado can’t kill him
@@zhengyingli
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"Meanwhile superman is sad about people calling him a murder and Loius is sad because she's dating a murder and in all of the while batman is in his fucking cave planning a murder" he just descried this entire shitty movie
It makes me really happy that Marcus didn't even acknowledge the ending monster was supposed to be doomsday
WHAT!!???
It wasn't supposed to be the real doomsday. Watch MoS when krypton is shawn you will see the moon the Real doomsday destroyed.
I though its Michael bay's ninja turtle without a shell
Marcus?! WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME?!?
@@eliaskouakou7051 It takes Doomsday's role in the story, though, so it might as well be Doomsday because you can't do another Death of Superman story in this franchise.
I remember literally spitting my drink out in the theater, when young Clark asked his dad if he should have let those kids die, and his dad's response was "Maybe!?!?".
Why. He just wanted to keep his son safe and didn't real know how to.
@@brendanpelkey120 DCEU Pa Kent was such a downer. In smalville we've had plenty of similar situations but he was mostly supportive.
@@wrestlinganime4life288 yeah pa kent probably could've used more scenes. He isn't as good as the pa kent in smallville. Tho their characters are quite different. I kind of understand what their were going for with it. I think pa kent feels very flawed and human in man of steel like doesn't have all the answers. Which i thought was kind of interesting its also why like the unclr ben in tsam.
It’s understandable why he said “maybe” Pa Kent is conflicted. Let me ask you something. If your son has superpowers and you wanted to keep him safe from the government and he saved a bus of school kids exposing his identity. Would you be conflicted? Yes, Pa Kent doesn’t have the answers, he doesn’t know what to say, he doesn’t know how to respond, he’s not God, he’s human. He’s flawed. What he said was flawed but it makes sense for a father to want to protect his child over anyone else.
@@camerashotstudios9162 he is literally an unkillable all powerful space alien, the government aren’t a problem
I live for the "And yes, I said 'kill'." running gag
The thing I hate the most about the Snyder films is that they had amazing casting for Batman, Superman, and Wonderwoman, but they were all wasted on his teenage-level of edge.
"The last third of man of steel is a 30 minute dragon ball fight" how dare you, goku actually moves his fights out of cities
The big problem with that is that I don't think the DC version of Earth has as many barren wastelands that the one from Dragon Ball does.
@@sertorrhenclegane plus Zod would have just went back to go fuck up Metropolis. He just wanted to kill humanity at that point. Only DragonBall villains are dumb enough to just follow the hero to a unpopulated area.
@@MajinLordVegeta but superman could get zod the fuckout of metropolis or gell out of earth
Thanks to Piccolo knowing the barren lands
@@coopercross1678
This is true but Zod knew Superman's entire character revolved around humans. So he would attempt to kill them even if Superman tried to deter him away, giving Clark less leeway to actually push him out of the city as he would focus on protecting them.
Honestly, I find the fault of that going towards the Crew as they should've made shots of Superman at least attempting to get Zod out of the city with no avail and even putting people out of harm's way.
“I’m going to briefly go through Man of Steel”
*Literally half the video is talking about Man of Steel*
I'll be honest ... I was gonna try to be a funny smartass ... but its literally 20 seconds off the halfway point so your just right. Good job.
Classic Marcus.
Me who thinks Superman is a suck character and liked mos for being different: I’m in danger
@@dasboom7133 Who is mos?
@@dasboom7133 I mean, I use to think the same and then MoS had this similar effect on me.... until I actually read some source material which completely destroyed my shitty preconceptions of the character 🤓
I think Man of Steel was a wasted opportunity. I would have loved to seen like. Homecoming style Superman movie where we pick up with him as a farm boy in the big city struggling to stay in disguise while saving people and balancing those two aspects of himself, then getting thrust into something much bigger than he’s been experiencing and feeling like he’s not ready for it etc. That would have been so great.
Isn't that basically what happened? He keeps losing his jobs as he tries to save people and gets pushed into being a savior, which killed him in less than 2 years.
@@zhengyingli no, they speed through him wandering around being all stoic and rugged. I’m talking about picking up with him already at the Planet trying to juggle being Clark at the DP and being a hero to his city.
@@michaelgoldstein8516 BvS covered that, too.
@@michaelgoldstein8516 Go watch Smallville or Superman returns because I doubt major studios want their movies to flop because they cloned something audiences have seen before
I agree,the first half of the movie is actually great. Because I think it does show how he just wants to live normal. But keeps having to uproot himself because he keeps helping people. When he could easily not,and not expose his powers. But then you find out hes actually only in these situations because hes trying to find the spaceship smh. The whole idea of conviently becoming superman when hes needed to fight zod is stupid. They easily could have just made Zod find him. And have Clark interested in his idea of rebuilding Krypton. Up until he finds out zod doesnt value human life. This movie is mostly a mess because they needed to find something for Lois to do. If Zack wanted to be an edgelord,he couldve killed off Lois. I guarantee that wouldve possibly saved the movie. She adds nothing,and the movie gets bad as soon as she shows up.
Batman killing people takes just about all of the depth and interesting stuff of Batman. They also barely had Superman in the movie.
That's why The Dark Knight is a bad movie. Batman kills Two Face and that destroys the movie.
@@halfadeaty Finally someone who shares the same opinion. Everyone I know loves the movie and call it a masterpiece but I just think it’s bad in general and a terrible representation of Batman that makes everyone think he’s something he’s not.
@@halfadeaty oh and "batman" has a career for TWO years, gets injured, comes back years later and retires.
It's not Batman.
omfg u guys can’t be real😂 i be saying this all the time but people don’t care. how is bro gonna be batman for 2 out of 10 years💀 pattinson already has him beat with 1 movie smh
@@Wolfhunter5607 his arc in that movie was so good tbh, he really does represent hope and grow throughout the movie
Also, if Batman DOES murder people in this universe, why the hell is Joker still alive? He'd be the first person Batman would kill, not some random thugs in cars...
This Batman killing is only for this movie as it is implied that he has lost his way in his pursuit of vengeance. “There’s a new kind of mean in him”
Ask the writers. They don't know.
@@JorgeHernandez-tj7mh Problem is, they never really show us why. Not to mention, it's as easy as breathing for him.
@@JorgeHernandez-tj7mh bro, if Batman started killing and "lost his way", the first place he'd go is Arkham or wherever Joker was holed up and rip his spine out. This Joker murdered Robin, obviously if these movies made any sense at all he'd be the first to go
@Ladiesman1447 I said show, not tell. Even then, it's so vague it doesn't actually explain things. Did this Batman just start killing or did already break his rule a long time ago? We never really know.
Zach Snyder looked at a brutal, and dark Batman from The Dark Knight Returns and went “oh well he must kill people with guns because those kill.” But there’s literally a scene where Batman calls guns loud and clumsy. Even that extremely brutal version of Batman won’t kill with guns. He didn’t even read THAT comic, the most well known Batman book.
@I AM THE INCREDIBLY SHADOWS he’s still a bad Batman
How is it all these people accusing Snyder of not reading Batman or watching other Batman stuff apparently haven't read or watched any Batman things themselves? Batman has killed a lot, and used guns a lot, too. especially on his vehicles.
Batman never killed. But he gave up on saving criminals. He was self defending. If they died, it's not his fault. You think if batman killed, wouldn't half of his rogue gallery like Joker, Harley Quinn, Deadshot etc would have died??? Why did Batman let Harley and other villains live in Suicide Squad?
Having him to up and ask to borrow the clothes would have been such a cute and humbling moment
BvS isn’t the worst superhero movie for one reason: hot Alfred
This the only comment in my life that has raised my enjoyment of BvS in anyway. Alfred is a silver fox in this movie 🥵
valid point
At least I remember BvS.
Can't be said about most of the DCCU movies
*_Ma MaHn!_*
Jeremy Irons hasn't even aged like fine wine, he's on that soy sauce tier: a pretty average product until it sits around for years, then suddenly o h m y.
"Is she with you?"
"I thought she's with you!"
Bruce, didn't you email her before?
Exactly! Bruce emailed her, of course she’s with you lol
It's a Zack Snyder film lol what did you expect..logic?
He didn't mean as in this is their first meeting. He thought maybe she was with him as in an alien. Super speed and strength with invulnerability? All those people came "with Clark". He thought she might be a Kryptonian.
That doesn’t mean they’re with each other. People really don’t think🤣
@@Crimsontears83 but Bruce literally sent her an email where it’s her in her Wonder Woman costume, so why would he be confused when he sent an email with a picture of herself in WW1?
37:16 To me how Lois almost dies in the final battle of BVS is hands down one of the dumbest and most frustrating things I’ve seen in a movie. After Batman and Superman leave she gets the kryptonite spear and runs around looking for a place to get rid of it. Throws it in the water. Runs outside, sees Superman getting beat and immediately realizes “oh shit. That thing I just go rid of would probably come in handy right now.” And just as soon as she came out she runs back to go get the spear thus putting her in her predicament. It might not seem that bad to most but how it played out on screen drove me nuts.
If you make a version of Batman that kills people and uses guns, you didn’t make Batman, you made The Punisher
Or you made the Batman since he began as a gun-toting killer and regularly kills in the movies.
Batman hasn’t held a firearm in any main DC continuity since the introduction of Robin. On top of that, the most comic accurate live action Batman has zero kills and instead works as a fully deputized lawman. Yes Michael Keaton did kill regularly, but Tim Burton also clearly misunderstood the IP, as evidenced by Bruce Wayne hanging upside down when he sleeps. This movie is loosely based on Dark Knight Returns and borrows scenes that rely heavily on Batman’s internal struggle, like the part where he kills the flamethrower guy with his buddy’s gun. In DKR that scene shows how far he had fallen, in BVS it means nothing because Batman has no stance on the subject in Snyder’s eyes
Good call on his origins but Earth 2 Golden Age Batman before the introduction of Robin was 2 years of comics in the early 1940’s. He’s had a lot of character development since being a ripoff of the Black Bat
Batman killing is contradictory in this movie lol. How tf he kills but Harley Quinn and joker are still alive 🤦🏽♂️
Yeah and makes no sense
I never thought about it
Duh, he only kills henchmen who're probably doing questionable stuff to make rent and feed their families. Mass-murdering supervillains deserve a fair trial, and a fair chance to escape from Arkham.
Jason would be pissed
Also joker kills dick Grayson not Jason todd in the snyderverse
Scar: *throws his brother off a cliff
Simba: “MUFASSAAA!!!”
yes
can you tell me why every comment is from 30 minutes ago
oh wait
@@marrowyoutube Don't you mean....
yEs?
@@mackielunkey2205 no, I mean *yes*
My biggest complaint about Batman V Superman is the cramming. It's like... they were trying to get ready for Justice League so they could have a movie that might compete with Avengers Infinity War whevit came out. They Crammed SO MUCH into Batman v Superman trying to set up for that, that they forgot to focus on what this movie was supposed to be.
I always Argued what made Avengers Work and JL fail for me was that Marvel actually took the time to lay the Foundation. DC didn't. They rushed so many critical plot points into 1 movie to lead up to their Team up movie with Characters we Barely knew.
Avengers had established their Characters in FIVE movies before making their Team up. They didn't have to spend time introducing everyone for those who had kept up. It was just about letting them play off each other at that point. It worked! It had it's focus where it needed to be.
The DCU is a Goddamn Mess because they're rushing it. It could be so much better..... they need to stop worrying about Deadlines... get their Cast in order. Keep it consistant. And STOP rebooting so much! Just figure out what you wanna do already.
"Oh no, we really have to catch up to Marvel and prove we are better. Let's take all the worldbuilding they did in like, 6 movies, cram it into one and a half movies, and hope it all pans out". I'm honestly not surprised that the DC movies are seemingly being rebooted again because they really shine with their animated movies. I would almost say to stick to that but because no one wants animated movies in theaters anymore no one would let that slide.
pretty silly considering these "live action" super hero movies are all like 90% animated.
Michael Shannon’s Zod is criminally underrated, he almost single handedly carried Man of Steel
Yeah but he was probably the only good thing about that piece of garbage.
And the soundtrack, that was absolutely amazing.
@@peteroliva00 agreed, those two things, and the scene of Superman’s first flight are incredible. The rest of the movie is ehhh
Ok
@kafu Kemeh nah Batman v Superman was garbage and Zach Snyder is 100% just a frat bro who thinks comics aren’t cool unless they have boobies and say the fuck word
@@vsf_dave811 ooo I hate on Snyder I'm so cool, I don't watch good movies cuz I'm a blind sheep
"No, stop my invincible son. Dont save me" 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Made me lol
Clearly u just didn’t understand the point
@@zacharysouza7432 We do, and it was dumb. Having Clark's parents fearful of a world that might hate and fear him, cool. Having his father throw away his life for nothing, dumb.
@@LupineShadowOmega if clark saves his father, the people would see him.
That’s why Jonathan Kent’s death in the original movie and in the comics is much more better. He died of a heart attack. With all the powers within him Clark can’t save his father from a heart attack which is so heartbreaking. Unlike in Man of Steel, he had the opportunity to save his father and he chose not to which is consistent with his traits because he didn’t save anybody in the film except for Lois Lane and maybe Martha Kent.
I'm trying to be a film-maker once I graduate. All your videos really help me figure out what NOT to do in a movie. Other than the complete obvious stuff, but like the little details. I probably won't do any superhero stuff unless its original, but I would like to at least see how what other critics say could fuel an actually good movie
It's amazing how Zack Snyder managed to ruin The Dark Knight Returns and Death of Superman in the same film.
How did Snyder ruin those two stories? It's not as if he was trying to adapt them in the first place.
@@zhengyingli 😂😂
@@zhengyingli Yes he was. Less so Death of Superman but DEFINITELY Dark Knight Returns.
@@tylerleach8796 Just seconds before Snyder revealed this project at SDCC 2013, he specifically stated that he's not adapting The Dark Knight Returns.
Imagine when he gets to Suicide Squad
One bit I found funny about Suicide Squad was "the man who can climb anything" being killed as soon as he tried to climb something.
@@Xehanort10
He was too powerful to be left alive.
In about 2 months he’ll be back, and its gonna be worth it
@@Xehanort10 Oh, no, he can climb anything, it's just that he tried to climb out of the movie.
I enjoyed joker being nice to Harley for once
Let’s not forget that Chris Terrio wrote both this and Rise of Skywalker. He used the unexplained ghost dad scene twice.
He must have a REALLY strong conection with unexplained ghost dads
I mean, The Rise of Skywalker one really felt like they were writing around Carrie Fisher’s death more than anything else
Wow people really fail upward in Hollywood.
You're forgetting the pretentious David Goyer also wrote this garbage. He gets away with a lot of blunders for some reason
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The fact that this movie has a positive Audience Score on Rotten Tomatoes proves that the majority of movie-goers have no media literacy skills whatsoever
Its 63%, thats not Citizen Kane, thats pretty much average.
I kept asking through the years of Zac Snyder’s run of DC movies,”Why do they keep giving him movies to make?” That’s the biggest plot hole I want answered.
Sad thing is that Snyder’s Justice League seemed to be the point where he actually started getting things somewhat right, the characters still aren’t comic accurate but they’re actually likable and the story’s pretty good. If we got sequels like ZSJL but without all of the dumbass slowmo scenes and stuff that didn’t matter they could be decent.
"It's a 60 minute long Dragon Ball fight"
Soooo.... shorter then a normal Dragon Ball fight?
hardy har
thE fAns wiLl rIoT iN 5 mInUtEe
C'mon guys the original manga's been out for decades now and yet we're still saying this?
@@justkiet The Tournament of Power awakened the Anime Freeza Saga flashbacks within us.
@@snakeboy2017 true, but when most people talk about dragon ball fights being long they refer to the fillerifc Z adaptation which is what I was on about.
Also "The number of people who actually get Superman is small" is spot on. Tarantinos big speech about Superman in Kill Bill is emblematic of this widespread misunderstanding.
Well, Tarantino is more into Marvel.
That is Bill's speech, though, not necessarily T's own interpretation....
@@gowithgroove exactly
To be fair, it's the bad guy who says that, which mean it's often wrong.
I honestly think that amazing comic miniseries All-Star Superman was a response to that terrible speech.
Dude superman literally could have just said “save my mom”
I remember falling asleep in the theater to this movie then getting annoyed by the loud noises
It's a real shame that Henry Cavill had to be stuck playing a darker version of Superman, because he really is visually perfect for the role and I think he could pull off Classic Supes perfectly. Part of why Superman and Batman work so well together is because they're opposites. You can't make Superman dark and brooding and expect to have a crossover be all that interesting.
Why the F are you guys stuck with only one fking version of the character! Jeez it's like nothing gets past your nostalgic boring superman
Enjoy your Justice Leauge 2017 then and be quiet. You got what you wanted with it and Superman Returns.
@@The80sWolf_ exactly lmao
@@The80sWolf_ Pointing out another problem isn't solving rhe first problem.
@@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom
There are no first problem. Its just a dumbass that cant see a difference in characters in a movie. If I can, then why cant you/him? Am I some intellect mastermind that analyze movies? lol
I can’t believe they got the same actor to play Doomsday who also played the Cave Troll in The Fellowship of the Ring.
I thought the same thing when I saw this movie. I hoped everyone else did too.
i know right that troll is going places.
@@bionicg2040
I don't like trolls. They're crude, annoying and they're everywhere.
@@haillobster7154 Basically, they are the monster equivalent of sand :P lol
He's under contract with Warner Bros.
Agreed! The Batman fight scene is awesome and that really is it! And that Martha scene was literally the worst
Zach Snyder has the mind of a 15 year old edge lord and so do the people that actually praise his work…
Absolutely no character development or values or morals that make the characters who they are,just cool fight scenes cgi and murdering
U couldn't be any more wrong. Go read a comic 🤡 like Superman: Birthright
The worst part is the “Save Martha” scene would’ve actually shown Superman to be human, as he uses his dying breath to tell Batman to save his mom. But then they had to make it the stupidest scene in the movie...
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That's exactly what the movie did. It showed Superman's humanity, what the fuck are you talking about?
That's why we're shown the death of the waynes at the beginning...
People in the Internet literally eat whatever media tells them to think
@@DerezzedMan No I agree it shows Superman’s humanity but it’s overshadowed by how stupid it is that their moms just so happen to have the same name and thats what stops the fighting
@@DerezzedMan The way it's executed looks like Batman spares Superman because their moms have the same name.
I’m not lying at that point I thought it switched to a parody
Worst part is that, super man didn’t need to actually say his moms name to convey how he feels to batman, batman could already have empathy for super man because he doesn’t want his parent to die
@kafu Kemeh he could’ve gotten his ptsd from superman calling out for his own mother. Superman didn’t have to say “Martha”
@kafu Kemeh i know I know but what Im saying is that they could have conveyed that batman had empathy for superman purely by the fact that supermans mom is going to die. Even worse is that if supermans mom did die it would be batmans fault, making him no different from the person who pulled the trigger on his parents. This is all just my opinion but I think it would’ve been more meaningful if batman understood superman from the fact that his mother was about to die at his hands rather than his mother being named the same as his mothers name
Gone Manic But the thing is he didn’t, it was only after he found out superman had a mother that he realised superman was more human than him, he never realised that he could of had a family and life, that’s what shocked Batman, not their mothers sharing the same name (although that was a huge part of the realisation)
@@theanimationmaster724 right I agree. Batman probably didn’t really care about the fact that they had the same name. But Im just saying, they didn’t need to convey how batman felt to yhe audience by super man shouting Martha. It just feels awkward. Even though its kind of a funny coincidence
*ah shit, here we go again..*
Snyder was the kid mashing action figures together making "bah booooshh" sounds but now it's all he does in his films. "Punching guy" is every character and the go-to move is smashing people through walls and buildings in EVERY... BLEEPING... MOVING.
you dunked on man of steel so hard i forgot the video was supposed to be about BvS
A few parts were really nitpicky but agree with him in how Superman accepting the God image was bullshit and how Super cavil never got have any personality
“I don’t read the words, I just like it when he punches people.” -Bart Simpson, but also Zach Snyder probably
Nah that's more like MCU fans.
@@peterparker6669 you sure showed those marvel fans now!
@@peterparker6669
... You're joking
But the new justice league was goated
Snyder's probably the type of guy who's too impatient to watch films the whole way through so he just skips to the fighting and death scenes then fast forwards to the end.
Zack Snyder’s commentary is by far the most entertaining part of Zack Snyder’s movies.
I quite enjoyed his Man of Steel commentary. Very good film
@@danield.8233 man of steel is garbage and doesn't the character
@@babaracus9583 pretty sure it was a joke
A gem this guy missed was when Zack said "that perception about Batman not killing people comes from the Tim Burton movies" (????????????????)
@@Jose-se9pu even better he also says that his Batman is pretty much the Batman from Dark Knight Returns
You know, the comic where he breaks a gun over his knee and calls guns “weapons of the enemy”
Is it bad that I think this breakdown of Batman versus Superman is more entertained than the movie itself?
No
"My Adventures with Superman" has a PERFECT version of Clark and a AMAZING version of Lois
My spider-sense is tingling. I don’t think we’re watching marvel today
No, we are not.
Im batman
@I’m unknown unknown not only is this a dope ass comment by itself, but it also both reminded me of those old HISHE Superhero cafe videos, and that Robot Chicken “Do You Bleed?” segment. So now I’m gonna go watch some funny ass videos, and for that good person, I salute you.
@@jackmcdonald5237 ♥️
@@jackmcdonald5237 👍
"Why did you say that name!"
"She's my mother!"
"Yeah...I figured. Why did you say that name? Most people don't call their parents by their first name unless they hate them."
"...Good point"
Is it weird to say that would help?
here's one way to make it a liiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiittle less stupid :
" Save ... her *choke*gasp* save ... Martha ... Kent "
Even less stupid was just saying "please... save my mother.... save martha kent"
not really , id argue it wouldnt make snese if he called her "mom"
i mean there he is , superman on the floor , he only has one sentence left before he is killed , and wants to get batman on his side. *do you really think he should say "save my mother" ?*
i can think of a few ways batman would react such as.
"what ?how would i save your mom ? i cant go to outer space you idiot"
"umm , you have a living kryptonian mother ? gotta kill her too then ig"
and especially after that speech talking about how superman was probably spoiled by his parents , i have some doubt that he would care much if supes said it like that.
no , what superman does here , is make her human , he calls her by her name , "Martha" , an attempt to at least get batman to save her , or maybe superman looked into bruce's past and knew about his mom's name.
anyways ,i think this "criticism" is not logical , and a result of short-minded thinking
@@zeidxd6311 The excuses Snyder Bros make for this shitty movie never fail to make me laugh.
I feel like Zack Snyder shops as a thrift store name "Secondhand Murder."
Zack Snyder honestly seems like he peaked as a frat bro high school stoner, and just kept that as his personality. That aside, I despise how he mutilated the characters of batman and Superman, while somehow injecting enough edge into the movies to make Jared Letos joker jealous. Gods its so damned boring and monotonous
As a teenager I had an edgy phase where I thought anything with a dark tone was good just because it had one. I grew out of it and I understand good films with that tone fit the story and characters. Snyder's a man in his 50's who's still in his teen edgelord phase.
Snyder forgot that John and Martha Kent are like THE BEST parents ever.
Not
They are amazing in these films, I don't really get the point.
@@Halafas are they? Cause his dad is an emotionally distant weirdo who keeps telling Clark to never show his powers, to the point of just getting bullied, and then dies for his stupid beliefs.
While his mom in BvS is like "You don't have to be a hero. You don't owe these people anything". They both sound pretty bad
@@TooFatTooFurious don't you know, it's great parenting to tell your kid that instead of using his super powers to save drowning children, he should've ignored them and just live with the trauma of knowing you could've done something but didn't
@@hammerstix5791 That made me so fucking mad, honestly that scene alone should have been enough to warn me just how little Zack Whedon or whatever understood about these characters
Are you kidding me? That guy was Jimmy Oslen? His death in Injustice helped spark the whole story, but in the movie he barely bats an eye? That genuinely infuriates me
Injustice and BvS incorporate two different stories in two different universes. They aren't even the same form of media. One is a game, the other is a movie. So what's with the comparison?
Superman hasn't even met Jimmy here, so why should his death be something worth whining about?
@@yash1140 Jimmy, Metropolis and lois are what ties Superman to his humanity, no matter what the universe. If you get rid of one of the three without any consequences, you arent telling a Superman story anymore, you're, like the video suggests, writing an edgy fanfiction.
If you take out Bruce Wayne's parents' murders, you don't have Batman, you have an alternate universe Hush or penguin because theres nothing holding him back from becoming a selfish spoiled cow like his parents were. So why should Jimmy's life be so expendable here?
@@thefbiman2116 firstly, what's edgy about BvS?
Secondly, Jimmy, Lois, and Metropolis aren't what tie superman to his humanity. His parents, upbringing, and Kansas do, and Snyder nailed them perfectly. His relations with Jimmy and Lois are consequences of his humanity, instead of it being the other way around.
Take Flashpoint for example, it had neither of Jimmy or Lois, and not even the Kents, but still managed to give superman a mini-arc, which suggests that whatever the circumstances might be, superman will always turn out to be a human at heart.
@@thefbiman2116 Batman's parents aren't selfish
They give away so much money to charity
@@yash1140 because you don't take a beloved Superman supporting character and long-time fan favorite from the comics...and SHOOT HIM IN THE FUCKING FACE!
The saddest part about this movie for me is that I really love Batman's design. Dark Knight Returns is my favorite comic and this is such an awesome modernized version of it. And Ben Affleck's acting doesn't seem to be the problem because he's pretty done cool as both Batman and Bruce Wayne.
So what's sad? Batman in BvS in an homage of TDKR; he's just a toned down version of the Batman in that comic. That Batman was totally delusional. BvS Batman had simply unknowingly allowed himself to be manipulated by Lex.
Friendly reminder (2 years later) that Abandoned does not mean uninhabited. So a lotta homeless people still died off-screen likely.
That whole thing about how not many people "Get" Superman...
...Is it disgraceful to admit that the MCU actually did a better version of a "Modern" Superman with Captain America? He's everything I imagine in a Superman-Style character now.
Yes finally someone who brought this point up . Like Winter soldier is what MOS should have been
This Is so fucking true.
I first got into superhéroes with the MCU and my favorite was always cap, because of how pure and wholesome he is, so when I met supeman in the animated series you know I fell in love with him in a heartbeat.
Finally an honest DC fan
it's so annoying. When I heard about Kevin Feige's excitement towards the idea of Gunn making a Superman movie, in that moment I realized that he cared about the character way more than anyone up at WB ever will. :(
@@JohnDoe97637 fun fact the final shot on peace maker with having the JL cameo is shoot on marvel studios. James gunn ask if he can do it there and he is allowed
John Kent: Let then die Clark
ObiWan: Murder them all Luke
And not just the men. But the women and the children, too.
Blowing up the Death Star did murder tons of people tho
@@TheJohn9910 Even some good guys. There were some rebels captured alongside Leia...
That's not what he said...
@@L-eye-t r/woooosh
As someone who never read any of the comics (so I had no clue Superman is meant to be a beacon of hope; I lack imagination in general) and whose first experience with Superman was with 2006's Superman Returns, I have to say Man of Steel and BvS are just poorly made films in general, Superman or not. Heck, in Man of Steel at least two people I watched with were just bored by the end with the endless fighting. WB rushed this stuff too hard, and the forced gritty and dark atmosphere didn't help. That was surprising to me, because I thought Man of Steel was okay enough, even though Superman's initial life story is rushed. Or I think I just liked it because there was plenty of action, not just talk unlike other superhero/action movies at the time.
Marvel: carefully handpicks permanent characters, DC: f$ck it ten more jokers😂
Homelander is the perfect parody of Zack Snyder’s Superman
homelander is the Superman Snyder wanted to make I can only imagine the Tantrum he had when he found out about The Boys. Thank god he wasnt allowed near it it would be shot for shot remake of the comic
Even Homelander shows more emotion and is to a point more sympathetic.
@@TooFatTooFurious no way lol. How can you watch The Boys and think Homelander is sympathetic? He's comically evil, shitty upbringing isn't an excuse.
Like he literally let an entire plane of people die just so that his reputation as an invincible god capable of anything isn't slightly damaged
@@roojackaroo8517 he didn't let the plane fall because of his reputation. He did that on purpose. He damaged the controlls on purpose. He used it as a war tactic. A terrorist attack. So he can get the army approval. He was only making excuses not to save the plane so his plan would fall through.
@@roojackaroo8517 yeah homelander is a pretty shitty hero but there's like, that one scene where he actually tries to be a good dad for his son and encourage him when he gets upset, which is more sympathetic than anything Snyder Superman did
Ah yes, “Toto's Delivery Castle.” Hideaki Ghibli's masterpiece.
Highdeyo Ghibjima
How you guys doing it? 😂
Amazing!
Hideo Kojima
Um actually it’s Perfect Blue
Nah, Chihiro the III: where the eathsea rises, is the shit
31:19 sounded like he's probably auditioning for "Yellowstone."
33:33 actually. Earlier in the movie it’s shown that Batman’s smoke bombs have the chemical symbol Pb on it. Standing for lead which Superman can’t see through. Just a little misconception that’s all lol
I really feel like Zack Snyder came to the realization that Batman and Superman's mothers have the same name and he was just like, "OH MY GOD, I AM THE FIRST PERSON TO EVER NOTICE THIS!"
No because it was not because of their mome having the same name.
@@thewitcherking937 - Yes because the entire scene is built around saying the stupid name of his mother. It should have been a great moment of humanity for this Superman who up until that point had shown very little humanity but forcing the name drop into the scene completely ruins it. Who refers to their mom by name anyway? Even stranger seeing as Superman never once called Martha by her name until that scene.
@@obredaanps3 except it isn't the entire scene is built in clarks dying moments mirroring his father's dying moments recreating for batman the night his parents died. Saying superman shows very little humanity is ridiculous and false. Jsut bevause he isnt smiling alot or making jokes doesn't mean he showed very little. Humanity. We see him sad. Conflicted, concerned, confused, devastated, happy and angry. The name drop wasn't forced. Superman needed batman to know who he had to save. That's why he said her first name. Superman had a boot on his throat, had little time and was about to die.
@@thewitcherking937 if you’re about to die you’re not gonna say your mother’s first name. You’re gonna say MOMMYYYYY. Period, that’s humanity; in your dying words you gasp for your loved one. But Superman had to be a robot and call his mom by her first name in a supposedly improvised and heartfelt moment. Literally does not work
@@justinberry6411 except I'm not an alien. Superman is.. And bstman and already mocked his alien parents. Saying my mom would make batman think he was referring to his alien parents. Add that to the boot on his throat. Suoermaj was being desperate and he needed bstman to know who he had to save. It works when put into context.
When Henry Cavill is more like Superman than the character they're telling him to play...
So true this Superman is so bad
Henry Cavil is a god damn role model. He legit got attacked by feminists for saying "When a woman says no, I stop trying." and they were legit like "What!? How dare you!? When we say no we want you to try harder you idiot!?"
Yes, I mean, Henry Cavill is just such a basically, overly great guy. He could portray such an amazing Superman if he'd given the opportunity to actually play Superman.
I don't want to vilify the guy because I don't know for sure but I heard rumors that he really likes the young girls. Like teenaged girls just above legal
@@dmartig1 ...
A: That's not illegal.
B: Most guys do.
C: It's basic human nature. Women work on wanting safety and security, which in this generation means money essentially. Men want sex and reproduction, younger women are more suited for that purpose. It's why Men usually date down and women date up (in age).
D: Do you not? We aren't talking below legal ago here.
E: They like him, honestly from how I've seen Interviews, like with Freya Allen, she was checking him out hard, and he's just trying to be polite and avoid the gaze.
The extended Justice League and WW84 were both way worse.
Even Man of Steel was horrendous, with Clark's dad suggesting he actually should've let a bus full of kids die, and his complete disregard for collateral damage. No joke, hundreds of thousands would have died if not directly, then from the after effects during the rescue efforts like 9/11.
It completely ruined what Superman stood for, who is a human first and a Kryptonian second. He constantly insults his parents by saying they aren't even his REAL parents, and he and everyone else calls him Kal El, not CLARK, his NAME for his whole life. *He also just let his dad die for no good reason. There's a reason his dad is traditionally killed with a heart attack is because none of his powers could save him. That's the POINT. You can't save everyone, no matter how powerful you are. A lesson this Superman never learns.
No way you said Zach Snyders justice league was bad that movie was great
@@Vindog962 Pay close attention. Almost all the "cringe" that was blamed on Whedon was in the trailers long before Whedon got involved.
It's a bloated mess that helps ruin continuity (WW has been in hiding...except during WW84...).
There is no comeradeie, logic was actually removed, and contrivances were put in place for no reason (Martian Manhunter, the fact Lois showed up at his resurrection by chance instead of being brought in by Alfred, etc, etc).
He also adjusted the aspect ratio, leaving massive overhead space in every shot, and the monochrome made it even darker and harder to see as it already was.
Just because you can't recognize shit writing and are happy with keys being jingled in your face, doesn't make this movie objectively good, the opposite in fact: it's shit even compared to the Whedon version.
Snyder is a fraud, and his last two movies proved it, as he had total control and couldn't even keep the camera focused...
He's called Hack Snyder for a reason.
*Dispute a point I made or don't bother responding, fanboy.
@@daveyjones8969 lol what jiggle keys when I watched the movie I liked it much more than the whedon because they gave everyone a character an arch the villain had real motivation the action scenes were awesome also there’s no way your saying whedons was better when flash said what is brunch and they dedicated 30 minutes to some Russian family also what whedon did behind the scenes was truly awful. Flash’s time travel save the world scene was super cool even my friend who doesn’t like Snyder said it was really cool. Also I’m not a fanboy just because I like something about don’t know if you know this but Snyder is a very polarizing figure so it makes sense some people have different options on him.
Can we all stop pretending that the reasons Snyder's movies suck is because they're being compared to Marvel movies? His movies don't suck "in comparison to Marvel", his movies just suck. He and Shyamalan are the same dudes: talent, but ego ruins what they could have made. They have good ideas and they keep getting jobs based on the idea the producers saw. They both made one good movie, and the movie-going audience desperately WANTS them to make more good movies.
Snyder and Shyamalan are idea dudes who are too obsessed with their own legacy to let others bring their visions to life. Snyder and Shyamalan could both be remembered as genius producers. They ruined their own legacy by not knowing their own limits. It's genuinely upsetting to watch these films and to see what could have been.
I should say, in all fairness, that I never watched a Snyder DC move all the way through. I PAID AMC TICKET PRICES to watch two DC Snyder and walked out of the theater both times. I did actually stay all the way through Man of Steel....but I fell asleep an hour in. DCU: fell asleep in a movie theater, walked out, walked out, ...unfortunately apparently Aquaman was pretty good but I just can't bear to watch another film so boring that I fall asleep. People: it's not about Marvel vs DC. I do not give a crap. I have read one comic book in my life. It's about making compelling characters.
I will recommend SuckerPunch to everyone. Is it feminist? No. Is it horrifyingly sexist? Yes. Is it an interesting movie? Yes, and I paid money and watched it more than once in theaters.
Yeah batman not killing anyone is such a core value he wasn't even willing to let the joker die in arkham city, even after he literally murdered the love of his life right in front of him.
Batfleck gets hate for killing, but it actually makes sense, and I like it. He's been a vigilante for 20 years, and snyders vision was, what if batman actually existed. There's no doubt in my mind that he would start killing after losing 2 robins, and constantly being responsible for deaths of people bc he won't kill the joker, in this universe, hes already broke that rule. Even the batman batfleck is based on has killed, with a gun. Hes based on the dark knight returns batman, who has killed joker l, but denies it, because he's mentally ill, so it batfleck, we see him have knightmares of his parents, he kills but acts like he doesn't. Its Different and I love it. Also nolans batman has indirectly kills Ra's, the league of assasins with an explosion, and pushed dent to his death. Batfleck's batman is also very feared, the public hates him, and even Bruce says to alfred "we are criminals, we've always been", very realistic.. Finally, batman going on and on without killing, isn't good batman, part of his core story is breaking his rule, its character growth. Hope this makes sense and changes your mind.
@@timothysondej516 Watch The Closer Look's video on why Synder's Batman is terrible. If you want me to explain to you why your defense of Synder's Batman is not good, then let me know.
@@yashjoseph3544 one thing that video talks about is how batman uses intellect to fight, physical fights he can't win. In bvs batman doesn't do that so much, bc he isn't in his glory days, alfred talks to him about that to, how he is far from his peak. Affleck's story is more about redemption. And we get a hint of that in the JL 2 and 3 story board. Where instead of batman fighting superman in the knigbtmare world, he has a plan to tell his past sense something and flash does so. So ig if the full story wrapped up, you'd like batfleck, because he goes from being a bad batman, back to the good batman. Zack didn't do him wrong, when I mean bat batman, I mean he isn't what the guy says is a good batman, but later he goes back to that. If that makes sense
@@yashjoseph3544 this batman was basically intentionally made this way for him to fight superman, and to set up his arc, in justice league batman seems way different then how he did in bvs
@@yashjoseph3544 Okay then explain why Tim’s response of Zack Synder’s Batman is good even though I’m pretty sure you can’t lol
"we can't waste time in character development, we gotta get back to the action baby!"
I love Marcus
He has such rich funny dialogue
And yes I said “killed them”
For those who don't understand this universe is another timeline that dark sides knows what will happen hence everyone not being normal
Hilarious
That quote perfectly describes Zack Snyder's sucker punch movie 🤣
Snyder cultists are just that, cultists. A minority of people who don’t move the needle.
When BvS came out, it was universally reviled from both critics and audiences. It’s the only movie to have a $200 million opening weekend and still not hit a $1 billion. That’s the definition of a word of mouth failure.
Definitely not a failure
@@SergyMilitaryRankings cope harder. People that don’t hang out in niche Internet forums all hated the movie.
Sureee. No wonder the movies after Snyder was out flopped lmao. Snyder moved needles. WB's fault for trying to be Marvel and Deadpool
This man of steel critique actually made me massively reconsider it (also cos I haven’t seen it since it first dropped) Jonathan Kent in man of steel is severely bigoted. He’d rather children die than reveal to the world that his son is anything except normal.
Zach Snyder is a dude that would watch The Boys and think Homelander is the good guy.
After watching The Boys I dont think I'm ever gonna take snyder's jl seriously. Like ever.
The boys is awesome
@@crimsonhunter7598 th3 boys is woke trash now
@@HBG313 anti sjws are such snowflakes to the point that I don't even know whats woke anymore
@@noahlat8478 here ill give you a hint we should start calling it the Girls
"But this is Murder Man vs Captain Hypocrite."
"Which one's which?"
I think RLM said this too.
Superman isnt a hypocrite. Nor is he anything like batman in BvS.
@@andersondalmeus1406 not even close. Superman kills 2 people in the combined movies. He kills zod to save the world and he kills the terrorist to save lois. He never once hunts down or stalks criminals like batman does. Batman goes out looking for a fight. Superman is going out saving people. Batman is not mad that superman is killing people, batman is mad for the devastation superman caused and fearful that he could kill the planet, full of innocent people. Superman does not fight batman because he doesnt like him hunting down criminals, superman doesnt go to batman with the intent of fighting him at all. Superman goes to ask for help and ends up in a fight for his life. If batman and superman are fighting, superman cant have an ideological stance in this fight. He would handily win.
Rich Evans brought me here and I clapped!
@@andersondalmeus1406 superman is mad at batman because he has innocent people living in fear, not because batman is necessarily taking down criminals.
Kills 2 people that we know of ? Thats a garbage argument. If we dont see a pivotal moment like that, then it doesnt happen. Superman kills 2 people. There is NOTHING to suggest he killed anyone else. I guess we are going to artificially inflate the death counts for every superhero now based on absolutely nothing.
The zod killing is not even up for debate. Superman has to kill him to save the world.
The terrorist he kills is because he is saving lois lane, his world.
Superman and batman are nothing alike in the movie. Batman hunts down criminals and terrorists to get a weapon to kill an innocent man. We see superman saving people the entire movie. We see superman saving people in both movies.
Superman doesnt fight batman for what hes doing. Superman doesnt want to fight batman at all. Superman wants batman to stop making people who are good afraid of him. However he isnt going to fight batman over this, when he goes to gotham he goes to ask batman for help, not to fight him. He ends up having to fight for his life. Dont tell me that people are afraid of superman too. Theyre afraid of him just for existing, hes a godlike character. People would fear him solely based on his existence.
If the snyder cut JL goes well I think we will see a final version of who superman will be. Superman isnt superman in MoS and he is obviously still growing in BvS in terms of what kind of character that he will be.
I was born a Superman fan. When I was young I wore a Superman outfit with a little cape almost everyday, had bunches of Superman toys, and loved the Christopher reeves Superman. At age 6, I entered the theatre to see man of steel, and left that theatre no longer a Superman fan. The movie single-handedly killed my love for Superman that quickly, a testament to how shit that movie is. Over the years I’ve regained my love for Superman (the character, especially reeves) but not the Henry cavil Zack Snyder version, which misunderstood the character on a completely fundamental basis just as this vid says, great vid.
People need to accept that Snyder is not good at what he does.
300 and Dawn of the Dead were amazing. He’s more miss than hit. Either way, not exactly a hot take. Everyone is parroting that opinion,