Why the Left Think They are Better | Peter Hitchens

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  • Peter Hitchens explains why he thinks the Left sees itself as progressive, with morality on its side.
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    Peter Hitchens is an English conservative journalist and author. Hitchens writes for The Mail on Sunday and is a former foreign correspondent in Moscow and Washington. He has published eight books, including The Abolition of Britain, The Rage Against God, and The War We Never Fought.
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  • @TheInstituteOfArtAndIdeas

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    • @RobleViejo
      @RobleViejo Před rokem +1

      The Right is Individualist, the Left is Collectivist.
      No need to explain anything else, that's all there is to it.

  • @marcadams440
    @marcadams440 Před 4 lety +6463

    I used to think that I, and my lefty friends were all so tolerant and open minded. I found out the truth when I disagreed with them.

    • @phaerion9142
      @phaerion9142 Před 4 lety +592

      Leftism is about feeling good, gratification, agreeing with other feel good minded people, that is why is so easy and automatic to be a leftist, principles and morals are a burden, hard to keep up, they require extra effort, doing exactly what you want without consequences or flinching is a child's dream and a civilization's bane.

    • @jamesgibson2179
      @jamesgibson2179 Před 4 lety +73

      Daniel Moore
      Freud was a complete and utter charlatan.

    • @robertmcmillan3638
      @robertmcmillan3638 Před 4 lety +40

      @@jamesgibson2179 Yeah, Sigmund Freud was an utter, UTTER, disgrace of a man that should be airbrushed from history, NOT celebrated.

    • @mattygino
      @mattygino Před 4 lety +157

      It's not about left and right, it's about tolerent and intolorent people, and you can find both types on either end of the political divide. I myself am on the left on most political positions and I absolutely love having disscussions with people on the right; I enjoy hearing their perspectives and I try to understand/empathise with their positions, as do many of my other left wing friends. It's easy just to put everyone on the left into one big box and stick a label on it saying intolorence, but life isn't as simple as that.

    • @mattygino
      @mattygino Před 4 lety +42

      @Ulf ViKings I agree with your overall point that majority of de-platformers are on the left, but I do however think that it's unfortunate that many reasonable people on the left such as myself who believe in the more traditional left wing values of liberty and free speech can sometimes feel that they have been put in the same box as people on the same political divide who hold more anti-liberal values. The way I like to see it is similar to the political compass, have you taken the test? There are 2 axis Left/Right and Liberal/Autoritarian, and an individual can exist anywhere along those 2 axis.

  • @cs_fl5048
    @cs_fl5048 Před 4 lety +5141

    “The problem isn't that Johnny can't read. The problem isn't even that Johnny can't think. The problem is that Johnny doesn't know what thinking is; he confuses it with feeling.” ― Thomas Sowell

    • @richjjones86
      @richjjones86 Před 4 lety +54

      The culture war is already with us ;)

    • @Rdruhl
      @Rdruhl Před 4 lety +23

      CS_FL Right on target

    • @sweydert
      @sweydert Před 4 lety +39

      Truth bomb.

    • @robertr9689
      @robertr9689 Před 4 lety +49

      "When one is thinking , that necessarily means that one is not feeling. Feeling and thinking are mutually exclusive." --- Robert R

    • @joekurtz8303
      @joekurtz8303 Před 4 lety +6

      You learn something every day if you look/ search👍

  • @iancoulsonbellmentoring6967
    @iancoulsonbellmentoring6967 Před 2 lety +262

    ‘You cannot debate with someone who despises you’….excellent and concise description of the the current state of political and social discourse

    • @jimsykes6843
      @jimsykes6843 Před rokem +1

      Get rid of the guns and maybe we can have a real debate.

    • @Korum211
      @Korum211 Před rokem

      @@jimsykes6843 Welp, guess were not having a debate then. After all, you lot cant get rid of drugs let alone guns.

    • @TheManofthecross
      @TheManofthecross Před 7 měsíci

      by words no. by lead steel and iron yes you can debate someone who despises you by that approach.

    • @piesho
      @piesho Před 7 měsíci +3

      "I actively dislike you" Peter Hitchens to Alex O'Connor.

    • @AlwaysAwesome001
      @AlwaysAwesome001 Před 2 měsíci

      ​@@jimsykes6843
      Try to use your 🫛 🧠 please 🤗

  • @raywagner8016
    @raywagner8016 Před 2 lety +152

    Peter nailed this one on the head. 5 years later and more true than ever.

    • @jladams85
      @jladams85 Před 8 měsíci

      @@garygjl9036 "woke" is the left. It's the epitome of idiocy & ignorance 💯

  • @tts626
    @tts626 Před 4 lety +1039

    2:48 - “You can not really debate against anybody who despises you.” - Peter Hitchens
    Now that's a lesson I wish I had learned when I was very much younger.

    • @icestationzebra8636
      @icestationzebra8636 Před 2 lety +23

      I wish our “leaders” on the right would realize this!

    • @Phasma6969
      @Phasma6969 Před 2 lety +8

      Contempt is the most toxic of emotions.

    • @mpg3946
      @mpg3946 Před 2 lety +12

      It’s funny because Hitchens despises everyone who disagrees with him.

    • @BarakIII
      @BarakIII Před 2 lety +15

      @@mpg3946 Have any proof of that besides your own biases? I don't know much about him but from what I've seen of him I've seen no indication of this.

    • @robertwelsh4094
      @robertwelsh4094 Před 2 lety +2

      Yes, because Trumpers LOVE everyone. Are you conservatives all living in a time warp? How is it not emotional and irrational to pretend the last six years never happened? All cons seem to project as much as Trump himself.

  • @kenchoie3593
    @kenchoie3593 Před 3 lety +1956

    "I might be wrong" is the beginning of wisdom.

    • @HungryTacoBoy
      @HungryTacoBoy Před 3 lety +12

      "I might be wrong"
      *Radiohead intensifies*

    • @chaoscore09
      @chaoscore09 Před 3 lety +42

      The fear of God is the equivalent

    • @anonymous_4276
      @anonymous_4276 Před 3 lety +10

      Tell that to religious people. Replace the word left here with "Christian" or "Muslim" and everything still makes sense. Ones in power impose their ideas. This is natural. Earlier Christians did it in the West, now someone else is trying. Why would someone even want political power if they don't want to change anything?

    • @chaoscore09
      @chaoscore09 Před 3 lety +36

      @@anonymous_4276 it takes a lot more faith to be an athiest.

    • @anonymous_4276
      @anonymous_4276 Před 3 lety +8

      @@chaoscore09 give an argument if you wish to support that statement.

  • @maggiem6209
    @maggiem6209 Před 2 lety +33

    We have forgotten how to have discussions. That's why our society is failing. I'm tired of being accused of being evil because I think differently from my classmates. I just want to be free to be left alone and I want the same for anyone else.

    • @MathematicalCowboy
      @MathematicalCowboy Před 4 měsíci +2

      They won't even listen to you because their hatred is that incredibly powerful. You simply can't have a discussion with people who hate you that much. Don't even try. It's a waste of time.

  • @Sheerkat7
    @Sheerkat7 Před rokem +49

    Very succinct. He said more in a little over 3 minutes than most people could convey in an hour.

  • @deavman
    @deavman Před 5 lety +3311

    "You cannot really debate with somebody who truly despises you"
    Peter Hitchens

    • @Z3DZ1LL4
      @Z3DZ1LL4 Před 5 lety +84

      No. You can't debate someone who is willing to make blatant fanciful lies to support their case while being immune to facts. This is what makes debating anyone on the right impossible and pointless. This is why the left won't debate people like Hitchens.

    • @cc1210
      @cc1210 Před 5 lety +19

      Err why can’t you debate someone who dislikes you? Fallacy and simplicity.

    • @vlt873
      @vlt873 Před 5 lety +157

      @@cc1210 because their prejudice will overpower any reason, no matter how profound.

    • @The80sWolf_
      @The80sWolf_ Před 5 lety +24

      "You cannot really debate somebody who truly despises you"
      So thats why alt right people and antisocialists are always trying to avoid discussions? And when they try to discuss they always derail the discussion into being something else.

    • @vlt873
      @vlt873 Před 5 lety +210

      @@The80sWolf_ who are these alt right people you speak of? Anyone who operates outside the tiny bandwidth of leftist viewpoints? If anybody avoids debate, it's leftists. They try to smear, shame and discredit before any questions are asked.

  • @nonyabizz9390
    @nonyabizz9390 Před 2 lety +2321

    This reminds me of a phrase I first heard as a teen in the 90s, from a republican.
    "We think they're wrong. They think we're evil."
    It's scary how true that is, and how self serving.

    • @responsiblejerk2328
      @responsiblejerk2328 Před 2 lety +133

      Ironically, many on the right are wrong because they don't understand just how evil the left is.

    • @gustaveliasson5395
      @gustaveliasson5395 Před 2 lety +10

      So... because you heard a republican say that, it somehow suggests that marxists don't also think that you think they're evil?

    • @nonyabizz9390
      @nonyabizz9390 Před 2 lety +138

      @@gustaveliasson5395 oh, I do think Marxists are evil.
      But I didn't say anything about Marxists.
      I said republican. The other side is democrat.
      It is quite telling of your politics that you see the "other side" as Marxists.

    • @waltmansan520
      @waltmansan520 Před 2 lety +13

      ironic

    • @waltmansan520
      @waltmansan520 Před 2 lety +22

      the quote you shared is very self-serving. it implies that assigning neutrality to all of your disagreements makes you better.

  • @kellykempkilroy
    @kellykempkilroy Před 2 lety +34

    “We condemn mistakes with asperity, where we pass over sins with gentleness.” This has become a reflection of our society at this moment.

  • @cyrilculton1181
    @cyrilculton1181 Před 2 lety +27

    This has to be the single most concise explanation of why constructive debate is, for the most part, impossible today.
    "You can not really debate against anybody who despises you."

    • @lil-g4879
      @lil-g4879 Před rokem

      And vice versa.

    • @fernandofaria2872
      @fernandofaria2872 Před 9 měsíci +2

      Also, that is the same principle of prejudice. By thinking "that person disagrees with me, therefore a terrible person" is doing exactly what they supposedly condemn.

  • @anar3602
    @anar3602 Před 4 lety +540

    Wow . . . _"it's hard to reasonably debate someone who hates you."_
    That's a keeper, especially when knowing when to walk away.

    • @robertwelsh4094
      @robertwelsh4094 Před 2 lety +1

      Like when talking to an American Republican.

    • @vapor-cake
      @vapor-cake Před 2 lety +15

      @@robertwelsh4094Yeah, it can go both ways for sure.

    • @Scyllax
      @Scyllax Před 2 lety +2

      Definitely, and being screamed at by American Fascist Bible-Banging Conservative Authoritarians proves it.

    • @michaelfranciotti3900
      @michaelfranciotti3900 Před 2 lety +10

      Yeah cuz it's Republicans who've been physically assaulting people in the streets, destroying small businesses, and censoring and doxxing people.

    • @Scyllax
      @Scyllax Před 2 lety +1

      @@michaelfranciotti3900 And it’s Fascist Turds in Blue who murder black people like The Gestapo they are, and it’s the owners of this country who have impoverished and brutalized us all, George Orwell Prole.

  • @robertsmithington8892
    @robertsmithington8892 Před 4 lety +808

    Today I was told that my white skin doesn’t allow me to have an opinion on racism and that America is just the same today as it was in the 1960s. Apparently these kids have changed the definition of racism.

    • @maggiepaul5911
      @maggiepaul5911 Před 4 lety +42

      Yeah? I was told to "go back to Africa" if I didn't like the things going on in my own country.
      The definition of racism doesn't change. It's just people are deceptive and dishonest about their racism, or they don't believe that they'er being racist, so you have to judge by their actions. Now a days racists have seemingly adopted very subtle ways to express their racism because blatant racism can't survive at Mass in todays society.

    • @mortox2k
      @mortox2k Před 4 lety +28

      @@maggiepaul5911 subtle racism is better than overt racism, and in that way things have greatly improved since the 1960s. I'm sure you experience plenty of racism nowadays, but in the 60s you would have had no chance at a normal life. Same thing with gay rights - 40 years ago gay marriage would have been unthinkable by most people in this country, but now? Sure, there are people who complain about it or criticize it, but for the most part it's widely accepted.

    • @maggiepaul5911
      @maggiepaul5911 Před 4 lety +17

      @@mortox2k Oh well yeah of course I don't deny that lol. Just the definition of "racism" doesn't really change. there are still alot of problems that need to be worked on and ig the 1960s is probably a pretty low bar to set compared to what we prolly could be. "Better" is probably not the best characterization either. You'd cringe along with me trying to describe segregation as "better" compared to slavery, or slavery as "better" compared to a slow death. Subtle racism can be very deceptive. I recognize that the country has significantly progressed past seg tho. 😎

    • @ArtistFormerlyKnownAsShitlord
      @ArtistFormerlyKnownAsShitlord Před 4 lety +83

      Maggie Paul The definition of racism has changed. According to some black people now they can’t be racist against white people because black people hold no power. They have literally changed the definition of racism.

    • @maggiepaul5911
      @maggiepaul5911 Před 4 lety +15

      @@ArtistFormerlyKnownAsShitlord you're trying to attribute a meaning to what OP meant in which he did not clarify. I don't agree with that idea, I think it's dumb, divisive, and counterproductive. The definition hasn't changed, It is just a fundamental misunderstanding of the difference between systemic racism, and racism; as is in reference to prejudice against another person based off their race. just because some people ascribe to this idea, doesn't mean that the definition has "changed." I could likewise make the same argument for people who think you have to be in full body clansmen garments to be "racist."

  • @bandit6272
    @bandit6272 Před rokem +67

    It's almost scary how this has gotten more and more true, year after year.

  • @kysglowiefag
    @kysglowiefag Před 2 lety +18

    Used to hate Peter and love Christopher. Now I love both. What he said here was spot on and I respect him more than ever for saying it in such a nonchalant and unsolicited way in the presence of people who looked like they were falling asleep, talk about morality is what you do when nobody is watching. This is a moral man.

    • @sticksman1979
      @sticksman1979 Před rokem +2

      Woke culture has transitioned many from Christopher to Peter.

    • @David-iv6je
      @David-iv6je Před 10 měsíci

      @@sticksman1979 "Woke culture" is a chimera. A wedge issue. Please don't be a muppet repeating what you heard elsewhere.

  • @alangeorgebarstow
    @alangeorgebarstow Před 4 lety +2233

    Little Boy: "Mummy, when I grow up I'm going to be a Socialist!"
    Mother: "Well, make your mind up, son. You can't do both."

    • @NyalBurns
      @NyalBurns Před 4 lety +8

      Weird kid

    • @Dabhach1
      @Dabhach1 Před 4 lety +26

      @@coreybullock1392 GOVERNMENT is mommy.

    • @docholliday8879
      @docholliday8879 Před 4 lety +17

      Your comment is a straw man position which is also rambling and incoherent. Ironically, you provide a perfect illustration for the conservative position.

    • @mbrenner3629
      @mbrenner3629 Před 4 lety +59

      @@coreybullock1392 actually Leftism requires the all-powerful mommy or Nanny state to enforce it's version of utopia

    • @deviousg123
      @deviousg123 Před 4 lety +64

      @@docholliday8879 typical sjw response. Deride and tell people they are wrong without any actual position or substance to your argument. OP's comment is no straw man argument, even in jest there is a depth and truth there, and your childish response perfectly highlights why OP is both funny and absolutely right!

  • @cs_fl5048
    @cs_fl5048 Před 4 lety +2135

    “Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it.” ― Thomas Sowell,

    • @Tightgarbage
      @Tightgarbage Před 4 lety +50

      Interesting quote. Makes me think of people I know who are so smart that they are actually dummer than dumb people

    • @davidjatt3251
      @davidjatt3251 Před 4 lety +1

      Isn't he an 80 year old fat black guy?

    • @anthonyoer4778
      @anthonyoer4778 Před 4 lety +18

      @Richard East what a stupid statement.

    • @anthonyoer4778
      @anthonyoer4778 Před 4 lety +36

      @Richard East taxing the citizens?
      Socialism is when the masses pay for a group...
      Socialists are so kind and generous with other people's money.

    • @kamran102
      @kamran102 Před 4 lety +1

      That's a very good quote

  • @mahfuzahmad6336
    @mahfuzahmad6336 Před 9 měsíci +8

    "Morality is what u do when no one's looking"
    Well, our parents have for generations taught us this from the early childhood.

  • @troyh3628
    @troyh3628 Před rokem +7

    Three and a half years later, for all of the realization of what the problem is, we don't seem to be any closer to a solution.

  • @drrsc
    @drrsc Před 5 lety +40

    The looks of disgust and contempt and condescension from the other panelists towards Hitchens is so telling and proves his point.

  • @GRYL180
    @GRYL180 Před 5 lety +478

    Peter is so clever at warning people to wake up before its too late: 0:07 "When I was a Trotskyist, I had no morals at all; which was the whole point of it. You set out to do what you thought was right at the expense of anybody or anything that got in your way."

    • @dickhamilton3517
      @dickhamilton3517 Před 5 lety +23

      which is a total load of crap, and, incidentally, a lie. Of course he had morals, then. he hadn't grown up. he just doesn't have them now. he merely has patterns of behaviour which on examination reduce to habit and kneejerk. He has never thought about why they might be good or bad. He's a blustering fool.

    • @Hyndergogen9
      @Hyndergogen9 Před 4 lety +13

      Which is just a straight up retarded comment. Having no morals has never been the point of any activity ever carried out by humans. He's explaining how he felt and then projecting that onto everyone else.

    • @jerbiebarb
      @jerbiebarb Před 4 lety +9

      Hamilton - those were my thoughts too. Morals depend upon the religious stories we accept or don't accept? The guy must be realizing he's speaking nonsense when he's speaking it. If you actually think you get your morals from religious stories you'll be no better than the most murderous story from the primitive-minded traditions.

    • @nigecheshire9854
      @nigecheshire9854 Před 4 lety +3

      iok-1 what makes you think you/we are better?

    • @CynicalBastard
      @CynicalBastard Před 4 lety +3

      ​@@Hyndergogen9 Perfect for certain people to latch on to, especially since Hitchens is dead. America is heading down the tubes, quick. These "right-wingers" [capitalists] will sell anything and everything [even right-wing "race" orientation] down the drain...not only do they not even make sense as "right-wingers", but they are hypocrites to the nth degree. Anything...for America.

  • @b.walker5955
    @b.walker5955 Před rokem +51

    Refreshing to hear a speech/conversation in a room, filled with people, with no disruptive outburst or behavior. No screaming, yelling or interruptions simply because you speak a different opinion. Proof there are no leftists in the room?

    • @robertwelsh4094
      @robertwelsh4094 Před rokem

      "Screaming, yelling or interruptions"? It wasn't leftists who unprecedently yelled You lie! during Obama's SOTU. and it WAS MTG who stood up with other GQP members and yelled during the last SOTU. Useless hypocritical projection seems to be all the right has left. Stop being whiny victims and grow a pair.

    • @beageler
      @beageler Před rokem +2

      I think you might find a read about the term "filter bubble" enlightening

    • @beageler
      @beageler Před rokem

      @Jeffery Hoover ... Who are you and why are you writing nonsense at me? I was writing to the OP of this thread, I don't know and don't care about whatever drama is going on in the thread itself.

  • @barbclark566
    @barbclark566 Před 4 lety +1242

    I didn't 'leave' the left. I morphed into a different person. I grew up.

    • @jasonnesmith6518
      @jasonnesmith6518 Před 4 lety +42

      Conservatives often confuse bias with wisdom.

    • @tomcolton5662
      @tomcolton5662 Před 4 lety +18

      Older & more stupider but think you're clever is Conservatives way

    • @cm-pr2ys
      @cm-pr2ys Před 4 lety +26

      Both sides suck, no one said conservatives have all the answers. The truth of the matter is OP is telling the truth about the other side of the coin regarding the left side of the political spectrum. It’s not black and white.

    • @tomcolton5662
      @tomcolton5662 Před 4 lety

      @@julius277 yes, much more than a Conservative goon

    • @tomcolton5662
      @tomcolton5662 Před 4 lety +2

      @@julius277 I am a socialist & a genius

  • @reecem367
    @reecem367 Před 5 lety +391

    Generally the people who don't want to actually debate and allow others to challenge their ideas are the ones that are wrong. If you truly believe your views are correct then why be afraid of defending them?

    • @MrRailjunkie
      @MrRailjunkie Před 4 lety +7

      Agreed

    • @The77Game
      @The77Game Před 4 lety +11

      That is certainly how it should be but in this day and age we do see that if you express and defend views that are ever so slightly right leaning then a leftist mob will bully you. That could easily lead people to be afraid of defending their views.

    • @WolvesFansince
      @WolvesFansince Před 4 lety +4

      Goes both ways though. people like Ben shapiro or Steven crowder on CZcams would never debate someone on the left like Sam Seder or Kyle kullinski. Sam Seder has tried to come on Steven crowder's podcast multiple times to debate but he won't do it.

    • @reecem367
      @reecem367 Před 4 lety +14

      @@WolvesFansince Because Seder is a bozo. It doesn't go both ways man, its always the leftists who try to shut down dialogue.

    • @verntoews5954
      @verntoews5954 Před 4 lety +1

      Because any shy weak slow phlegmatic do not want any responsibility for having to make any decisions and would rather entrust all responsibility onto someone else
      Their fears and sloth and wanting to be carried through life is most successful with a choleric partner and family.
      It's devious how these gentle phlegmatic liberal people are at the forefront in institutions designed to breakup the family unit.
      Oh how the ungodly naturally self destruct

  • @stephanledford9792
    @stephanledford9792 Před 2 lety +42

    When "The end justifies the means" then anything one does to get to that "just" result is fair and can be rationalized as right. What would be a horrible injustice if done by someone with a different viewpoint is totally justified when done to accomplish their own "just" results. This is not only restricted to liberals - I have friends who claim they know when someone on the left is lying (i.e., they are speaking), but it does show itself more with those on the left because conservatives tend to value individualism and personal freedoms more than those on the left.

    • @alanlight7740
      @alanlight7740 Před 2 lety +3

      George Washington's family motto was Exitus acta probat, which some have translated as "The end justifies the means". (Literally, "the outcome proves the act".)
      The general idea is an old one and is not necessarily bad in itself - the problem comes when those who intend to practice it do not actually pay attention to all of the outcomes, and are either unable or unwilling to pursue their ends in the least destructive and/or most beneficial way. Frequently they have caused much harm and have not even accomplished what they intended - so in such cases the ends have proven the means to be wrong.

    • @Michael-yd7nt
      @Michael-yd7nt Před rokem

      "The end justifies the means." That is exactly what I was thinking too. I see this a lot from the left.
      A good example was when Trump was elected there were murmurs about him being impeached, it was floating around the media - even before he took office. Then it was years of vainly searching for evidence that wasn't there and even fabricating it.
      Now they are pushing the Jan. 6 stuff hard. Why? To prevent him from being elected again. They find him so reprehensible as a human being, that there is no need for real crimes or evidence. In their minds, keeping him out of office is the right thing to do, no matter how they do it. Again, the end justifies the means.
      My concern is where does this kind of thinking end?

  • @charlesloomis2224
    @charlesloomis2224 Před 2 lety +308

    Progressive: "The death penalty is murder."
    Progressive: "Abortion is a right."

    • @gregj831
      @gregj831 Před 2 lety +15

      Well said! Only the very privileged can reconcile such hypocrisy.

    • @OregonDARRYL
      @OregonDARRYL Před 2 lety +12

      That's because we believe in freedom. Women are free to their bodies and contents. Do YOU want others controlling your body - your DNA? I didn't think so.
      We do NOT have rights until we are born. Check your birth certificate. See the date? That's the day you became a citizen with rights. Until you're born - you are the property of you mother.
      And, I am a progressive who has no problem with the death penalty. We do not all think the same things. No different than your side who don't agree on everything either. 70% of Americans believe a woman has a right to choice. So there.

    • @Pleasiotic1
      @Pleasiotic1 Před 2 lety +7

      @@OregonDARRYL I happily support abortion because it kills off the next generation largely of the people I hate. I have never understood why pro-lifers have a problem with their opponents removing themselves from the gene pool.

    • @jeremyashcraft2053
      @jeremyashcraft2053 Před 2 lety +11

      @@OregonDARRYL ah so its only immoral to slay someone if they have legal rights. so in other words, the law is your moral compass. Well now daddy Hitler says we need to exterminate the jews so lets get to it, nothing wrong with that, the law says it is okay after all. The fact of the matter is there is a living child in that womb, and killing it is no different than killing your 5 year old child. I assume you think it would be wrong for a mother to euthanize her 5 year old after shes realized being a mom is tough and stressful, and no longer wants to be a mom, right?

    • @clintonrobinson8070
      @clintonrobinson8070 Před 2 lety +22

      @@OregonDARRYL Honest question, what's your take on vaccination mandates?

  • @jackjones3657
    @jackjones3657 Před 4 lety +74

    This is the real Hitch, Peter Hitchens has it here when he says a good definition of morality is "What you're doing when you think no one is looking." Blaming others before taking personal responsibility is entirely to easy to do in this day and age.

    • @ericnelson9100
      @ericnelson9100 Před 2 lety +4

      You mean like Trump taking no responsibility for the Jan 6th insurrection?

    • @juliantheapostate8295
      @juliantheapostate8295 Před 2 lety +6

      @@ericnelson9100 What insurrection?
      I only saw a protest where fewer than 1% of the people took it too far. Looked positively civilised compared to the Antifa nonsense months before

    • @brianfergus839
      @brianfergus839 Před 2 lety

      @@juliantheapostate8295

  • @cloudstrife206
    @cloudstrife206 Před 5 lety +436

    Can we all just stop to appreciate the contribution to the debate made by both Hitchens brothers

    • @BasedPeanutButterEnjoyer
      @BasedPeanutButterEnjoyer Před 5 lety +10

      TheWindAmongTheReeds The only person of substance (by my reckoning) that he ever really debated was William Lane Craig, and he got thrashed in that one, particularly toward the end when Craig started questioning him directly.

    • @PeteAmachree
      @PeteAmachree Před 5 lety +18

      I was dazzled by Christopher's bombast and self assured demeanour, and thought Peter an insufferable bore. How times change.

    • @ztrinx1
      @ztrinx1 Před 5 lety +18

      @@BasedPeanutButterEnjoyer Hahaha.Yeah, only religious people think that. William Lane Craig is a lying and dishonest piece of shit who is only convincing to those who already agree with his conclusions.

    • @StinkyWizleteets
      @StinkyWizleteets Před 5 lety +9

      @@ztrinx1 exactly. When you think dishonesty and outright lies youbthink WLC and Peter Hitchens.
      There is a reason everyone knows Christopher but few have heard of his brother.

    • @bluewizzrobe8661
      @bluewizzrobe8661 Před 5 lety +5

      @@ztrinx1 Concurred, depending on the audience, William either believed in a literal flood or, on other nights in front of other audiences, he thought the flood was not literal. I do wish Christopher had lived long enough to debate Jordan Peterson. That would have been quite a show I think.

  • @markgunn6454
    @markgunn6454 Před 2 lety +6

    When fact encounters emotions in debate, facts always lose. A sad state of affairs.

  • @billyd78
    @billyd78 Před rokem +1

    The one constant in my dealings with people over the years is the ones that don't know what they don't know think they're the smartest people in the room.

  • @WarrenCromartie2
    @WarrenCromartie2 Před 5 lety +52

    As I get older, the cracks in the left's position become ever more apparent and obvious to me. At age 21 I was a guardian reading know all, who thought I knew what was best for humanity. The fact that scores of left wing heavy weights had tried and repeatedly failed to bring about the utopia they promoted, meant nothing to me. Without admitting as much, I was convinced I was almost uniquely privy to the socialist launch codes, and yes I was also convinced that all this made me a virtuous and righteous individual. FFWD to 1997 and the dawn of the NuLabour era, and I remember my mum saying to me "You're about to get that Labour government you've always wanted. I promise you, you'll be disappointed. There's no left and right. There is simply them and us" Turns out she was right, God rest her soul. Now, at 50 I retain a few of the perspectives I held years ago, but for the most part, I'm with Peter Hitchens on where we, are and where we're going, and it doesn't look good.

    • @MrBrachiatingApe
      @MrBrachiatingApe Před 2 lety

      The Left being so prevalent in Universities and in its modern 1st world form shaped to appeal to emotions (and the most reason-subjugating ones at that) I think a great many people adopt a Leftist label and fill it in with stock ideas. If they get caught by that little snare, they will keep refilling that frame with new ideas they presume to be correct because it fits the frame they adopted without evidence both to fit in (peers) and rebel (things they personally don't want to have to deal with...as in, I knew a lot of young "socialists" who were scared of the job market for brand-new graduates or just didn't want to work. That's why they were Socialists--they wanted a free ride without the associated stigma.)
      It's funny how the authoritarian fist revealed itself underneath the hippy glove so quickly and completely, though. I used to bristle when people said the Left had no built-in morality nor demand for one. Now I see that's just the simple fact, and that it pulls in a lot of selfish people who don't want to be condemned for selfishness who are quite happy to be totalitarian as long as they can escape judgment or convince themselves it's nonsense, that the other side are the evil ones projecting their own flaws onto the selfish Left.

    • @nuckygulliver9607
      @nuckygulliver9607 Před rokem +2

      yes, people should embrace being wrong. Without that, tribalism is fueled.

    • @joblakelisbon
      @joblakelisbon Před rokem

      Do you think there is a way to convince the young of their own folly?

  • @Rhubba
    @Rhubba Před 5 lety +43

    Hitchens has accurately described what my Twitter and Facebook feeds are like.

    • @johnbull1568
      @johnbull1568 Před 4 lety +5

      There's your problem right there, paying attention to social media. I deactivated my Facebook account years ago, and I never bothered with Twitter at all. The amazing thing is that I never run into these people I hear about in real life, they know themselves that their bullshit doesn't fly in the real world, and they all know they're playing the same silly little game to appear as virtuous as possible on social media.

  • @drewlovs
    @drewlovs Před 2 lety +15

    Very well said! I no longer debate people on the left (I hold views both from the left and right depending the subject)-they devolve into personally negative comments and insults far too quickly, and avoid the topic as if it were beside, not the actual, point.

    • @RobleViejo
      @RobleViejo Před rokem +1

      The Right is Individualist, the Left is Collectivist.
      No need to explain anything else, that's all there is to it.
      Look at the current state of the world and explain me
      how Institutionalized Individualism is not EVIL

    • @basedfemboi9401
      @basedfemboi9401 Před rokem

      @@RobleViejo most leftist I see are hyper individualist that are destroying European people with their open borders and destruction of family I think European people need to come together as a collective we need extreme European nationalism

    • @RobleViejo
      @RobleViejo Před rokem

      @@basedfemboi9401 I really hope you are kidding, because you are literally talking about bringing the nazis back.

    • @RobleViejo
      @RobleViejo Před rokem

      @@basedfemboi9401 And by the way: No.
      Leftists are Collectivists by nature.
      Rightists are Individualists by nature.
      Thats the whole meaning of dividing things into Left and Right Wing.

    • @basedfemboi9401
      @basedfemboi9401 Před rokem

      @@RobleViejo so you can't have those things without Nazism GTFO you're not actually right wing you're a leftist

  • @rw9854
    @rw9854 Před 8 dny

    Such a wise and intelligent man. Speaks humbly about his errors of the past and is willing to debate anyone.
    He’s a good role model and it’s telling that a vast chunk of our society despise him

  • @sessiontelemetric5618
    @sessiontelemetric5618 Před 5 lety +49

    Nailed it.
    "That simply by holding the opinions they have & being on the side of what they call progress, that they are, themselves 'moral'... you can not really debate against anyone who despises you...

    • @robertwelsh4094
      @robertwelsh4094 Před 2 lety

      Useless whining and projection at work.

    • @hurdygurdyman1905
      @hurdygurdyman1905 Před 2 lety +3

      @@robertwelsh4094 Here's a third time you say this. Ad hominem attacks don't make him look dumber. They make you look dumber.

    • @robertwelsh4094
      @robertwelsh4094 Před 2 lety

      @@hurdygurdyman1905 Learn English. Then grow a pair.

    • @hurdygurdyman1905
      @hurdygurdyman1905 Před 2 lety +3

      @@robertwelsh4094 Awesome response! Just what I'd hoped for -- there was absolutey nothing wrong with my English and nothing to suggest I lack testicles. Robert Welsh... the stupidity continues! Wait, aren't you going to mention whining? We're so used to it by now.

    • @robertwelsh4094
      @robertwelsh4094 Před 2 lety

      Yes, because Trumpers LOVE everyone and love scientific facts. LMAO With all due respect, you and Peter sound like hypocritical whiners.

  • @dreamsofturtles1828
    @dreamsofturtles1828 Před 4 lety +163

    When i was on the left, instead of dealing with my personal demons, i turned to politics and wanted to fix everyone else. Of course, i was completely blind to what needed to be changed, or should i say HEALED, within myself . Having done inner work, i an see better , help more and manipulate others less .

    • @IIBloodXLustII
      @IIBloodXLustII Před 4 lety +12

      I don't know if you are Christian or not but what you describe is what Jesus said in Matthew 7:5: "Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye;
      and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye."

    • @ElectricPhantasmagoria
      @ElectricPhantasmagoria Před 4 lety +10

      I’m glad you took some responsibility and owned it. It’s called projection. It’s absolutely goddamn necessary. A whole lot of stupid fucking people are aware at some level they have something wrong within themselves and yet see the enemy outside themselves with their own problem. Good fucking grief the appalling display of egotism is downright unstable the left displays daily.

    • @charlesfreeman9917
      @charlesfreeman9917 Před 4 lety +8

      You, were never on the left...

    • @charlesfreeman9917
      @charlesfreeman9917 Před 4 lety +3

      @@draith3358 So, Dr, because he thought "racism bad" he was on the left? That's a little ridiculous...

    • @Ninjaananas
      @Ninjaananas Před 4 lety +3

      That has nothing to do with being left-wing. Stop making fake stories.

  • @phillipmargrave
    @phillipmargrave Před 2 lety +5

    Peter Hitchens hit the nail on the head on every single point he made.

  • @Autogenification
    @Autogenification Před 5 měsíci +4

    That last part... Peter Hitchens absolutely became that when he debated Alex O'Connor. He became the very thing he's criticising. I mean he didn't say he's infallible to recoiling in debate but his notion that it's a leftist thing has been disproven by his own actions. I thought this was a man of principle - saying he'd reversed his Trotskyist ways, what an absolute joke of a man.

  • @mattmatt7305
    @mattmatt7305 Před 4 lety +262

    I have frequently read things from Peter Hitchens and rolled my eyes and disagreed with everything he said. Then, some time later, given time almost everything he says is generally proved right and what I rolled my eyes at is correct.

    • @nativeamerican1167
      @nativeamerican1167 Před 4 lety +4

      what ??

    • @Vingul
      @Vingul Před 3 lety +20

      @@nativeamerican1167 Matt's comment is clear enough.

    • @nativeamerican1167
      @nativeamerican1167 Před 3 lety +1

      @CheetoDorito69 I can read fine , what have you rolled your eyes at??

    • @robertwelsh4094
      @robertwelsh4094 Před 2 lety +5

      Funny, my eye rolls are always confirmed. He's a whiner.

    • @donovanjones4175
      @donovanjones4175 Před 2 lety +8

      Time can change your perspective because hopefully you have experienced more in life and see things clearly. With age comes wisdom as the saying goes. Pretty fucking clear.

  • @aljosapetkovic69
    @aljosapetkovic69 Před 4 lety +142

    Extremely well said. I don't agree with HItch on many things but we can agree on this, discourse and free speech is extremely important.

    • @jdove6883
      @jdove6883 Před 2 lety +4

      In my experience that is not really believed by leftists.

    • @robertwelsh4094
      @robertwelsh4094 Před 2 lety +1

      Which he said while childishly pointing his finger at ONE side only. Give me a break.

    • @JSchaffer214
      @JSchaffer214 Před 2 lety +7

      @@robertwelsh4094 Is that all you got out of what he said? If so, you kind of proved his point.

    • @robertwelsh4094
      @robertwelsh4094 Před 2 lety

      ​@@JSchaffer214 That's all that was there. He was an ultra-left nut. Now he's a con. Now he thinks the "left" thinks they're better than the righties, and they also treat him like he's evil. Essentially, we can't have civility in our discussions because of meanies on the left. What else was there, genius? Go ahead, paint yourself out of this corner.

    • @DoggosintheHouse
      @DoggosintheHouse Před 2 lety +6

      @@robertwelsh4094 THANK YOU! All these posts I've seen conveniently ignore the fact that the core of Hitchens argument isn't against linking emotion to politics... it's against the entire left side of the political spectrum as a group. Kudos for him to find for finding a way to insulting his opponents and making it sound like an intellectual argument, but really all he's doing is exactly what he says he opposes: dehumanizing people who disagree with him.

  • @carbonbasedunit3422
    @carbonbasedunit3422 Před 2 lety +32

    Peter Hitchens was spot on. As his brother said. 'every abortion stops a beating heart.'

    • @mikedon5205
      @mikedon5205 Před rokem +3

      But there are also cases where hearts were stopped because mothers didn't have abortions

    • @zufgh
      @zufgh Před rokem

      @@mikedon5205 There is no substantial amount of pro-lifers who would deny a woman's right to have an abortion if it were to save her life.

    • @mikedon5205
      @mikedon5205 Před rokem +2

      @@zufgh really. Several cases where medical teams were afraid to act because of abortion laws and mothers have died look into cases why Ireland became more lenient on abortion because of certain cases

    • @David-iv6je
      @David-iv6je Před 10 měsíci

      And a beating heart needs to be the first thing present in a lump of cells, so there can be circulation of Oxygen and nutrients and disposal of waste. Try not to be so melodramatic.

  • @barrysmith4674
    @barrysmith4674 Před 2 lety +1

    I love saying in an argument “do you not think there’s a good chance we are both wrong”

  • @PartTimeJedi
    @PartTimeJedi Před 5 lety +304

    Well said! As a centrist I see flaws in the left, right and even many of my centrist views. No political stance is 100% correct if you are brutally honest. But I also have a very hard time debating with the left as it devolves into as the gentleman stated, perceived moral high ground. Then I am called racist, bigot, homophobic etc. It's quite scary as it's the younger millennials that seem to be so installed with this.

    • @bobmcrae5751
      @bobmcrae5751 Před 2 lety +6

      Maybe there's a reason you're called a racist, bigot and homophobe.

    • @jb8408
      @jb8408 Před 2 lety +53

      @@bobmcrae5751 if it’s anything like I’ve seen, pejoratives like bigot, racist, homophobic, etc aren’t being accurately applied, they are only used by those on the political left to “win” arguments with arguing. I find many of the viewpoints on the political left to lead to MUCH bigotry and hate, much more than I generally see in conservatives these days.

    • @zachmartin1458
      @zachmartin1458 Před 2 lety +21

      There is, Bob. Because people like you evade the fact that words actually denote something.

    • @queent3343
      @queent3343 Před 2 lety +3

      Everyone who is young is an idealist. You didn't see old hippies did you? It's living your life that makes you settle into realities like paying a mortgage, raising kids, educating kids.....Let the millennials grow up and realize their values only extend to their lifespan. That's why I laugh when I see people like Ben Shapiro go to college campuses. Pick on someone your own age, then it's a real debate.

    • @Pan_Z
      @Pan_Z Před 2 lety +26

      @@queent3343 There's merit to speakers visiting college campuses. The entire concept of education is the old passing on their knowledge to the young.
      Secondly, Shapiro (and likely whoever else you demean) do debate others' his age.

  • @keeponpainting
    @keeponpainting Před 4 lety +302

    It saddens me to see so many of my lefty tolerant friends cheering for riots .

    • @Shadowhunterbg
      @Shadowhunterbg Před 4 lety +21

      "Tolerant"... nice one.

    • @maxxor-overworldhero6730
      @maxxor-overworldhero6730 Před 4 lety +10

      Careful, they might shiv you if they find out that you don't see similarly.

    • @LoudaroundLincoln
      @LoudaroundLincoln Před 4 lety +3

      Or they could be like the vast majority of the rest of us and not care. A riot happens in London and cops and rioters are hurt. How does that affect me in Lincolnshire? What do I care about a rioters broken skull, or some copper getting his arm broke or some war memorial getting trashed? Means nowt to me.

    • @jullienricot930
      @jullienricot930 Před 4 lety +14

      Riots only hurt the poor and Middle classes because the rich have the Money to gather their things and leave!

    • @marcokite
      @marcokite Před 4 lety +1

      @John & Jane Smith huh?

  • @greyguy.960
    @greyguy.960 Před 2 lety +3

    This is so true, especially today.
    Like myself trying to debate it disagree with left-leaning people the majority use insults or bring up trump which is normally not part of the conversation.
    Sadly, their hate is that forward in thinking and the norm .

  • @garethwest9069
    @garethwest9069 Před rokem +2

    The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left. - Ecclesiastes 10:2

  • @EBUNNY2012
    @EBUNNY2012 Před 4 lety +43

    Morality is what you do when you think nobody is looking.

    • @Norvik_-ug3ge
      @Norvik_-ug3ge Před 2 lety +3

      Virtue Signalling is what you do when you know people are looking.

    • @FirebirdFreak87
      @FirebirdFreak87 Před rokem

      Both of you here are correct.

  • @averagejoe845
    @averagejoe845 Před 4 lety +539

    The left "All animals are equal, some animals are more equal than others" - George Orwell - Animal Farm

    • @bencross2818
      @bencross2818 Před 4 lety +63

      George Orwell was an avid supporter of democratic socialism. He said in Homage to Catalonia "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for Democratic Socialism, as I understand it." People love touting Animal Farm as some ultimate work of anti-left ideology, but thats an intellectually dishonest interpretation of a book more obviously, (even by admission of the author as seen above) a work of anti-totalitarianism literature.

    • @xbird532
      @xbird532 Před 4 lety +12

      But Orwell was a socialist. That’s literally just America.

    • @ayhamshaheed7740
      @ayhamshaheed7740 Před 4 lety +3

      all countries are like that. Your point makes no sense

    • @jessefontenot9846
      @jessefontenot9846 Před 4 lety +24

      Ben Cross your post doesn’t really make sense. Right now it is anti-left because the left is more totalitarian now. Neither left or right has a exclusive claim to totalitarianism.
      Also “as I understand it” is the same as putting anything before the word justice. It subverts the word to being so vague it’s almost pointless to use. So him being a Democratic socialist is meaningless without having an very long interview with him to define what HE considered it to be. The traditional left is vastly different to the modern left.

    • @crmzntears
      @crmzntears Před 4 lety +2

      - Michael Scott

  • @awestruck9075
    @awestruck9075 Před 2 lety +3

    How aptly presented. How can we grow, if we can't tolerate hearing an opposing point of view? You can't be sure of what you know or learn what you don't know. We need others to sand down our rough exteriors and become wiser.

  • @mencken8
    @mencken8 Před 2 lety

    There’s a finer line than might be obvious between “we have the better program” and “we are better for having thought that up.”

  • @nutrition182
    @nutrition182 Před 3 lety +59

    Really respect Peter Hitchens as these days it's brave to stand for the truth of to actually have an opinion or another perspective without being judged or targeted.

    • @alecchase2000
      @alecchase2000 Před rokem

      He's a Christian. There's no truth in that. You have failed at everything in life.

  • @barrychuckleisdead7345
    @barrychuckleisdead7345 Před 5 lety +182

    I have a great deal of respect for Peter Hitchens and yet I profoundly disagree with him on several issues. He argues his case eloquently and remains civilised. Political discourse in this country could do with more people like him. He certainly makes me think.

    • @robertwelsh4094
      @robertwelsh4094 Před 2 lety +1

      Civilized, but childish. "Recoil like a snail..."? He comes across as a whiner.

    • @michaelpflaumer2487
      @michaelpflaumer2487 Před 2 lety +2

      Agreed, it takes a great deal of intestinal fortitude to admit you were wrong or changed your mind about such an adamant part of your life philosophy in front of the public.

    • @hurdygurdyman1905
      @hurdygurdyman1905 Před 2 lety +17

      @@robertwelsh4094 Not childish at all. It's a great simile. Weird that from everything he said, that was your takeaway.

    • @ThepurposeofTime
      @ThepurposeofTime Před 2 lety +10

      @@robertwelsh4094 lmao I don't agree with 70% of what he said but just there you did EXACTLY what he described 😂🤣

    • @robertwelsh4094
      @robertwelsh4094 Před 2 lety

      @@ThepurposeofTime Did it hurt your little feelings? You're a whiner too.

  • @paincakes4696
    @paincakes4696 Před měsícem

    "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it."

  • @dr.emilschaffhausen4683
    @dr.emilschaffhausen4683 Před 2 lety +2

    Emotions find a way to validate themselves at any cost.

  • @gazzablackman
    @gazzablackman Před 5 lety +543

    Peter Hitchens is a national Treasure.

    • @Andy-id1ui
      @Andy-id1ui Před 5 lety +4

      We need more like him, but the prob is the left label people racist, fascist etc so too many are too scared to stand up to the left.

    • @sudo_nym
      @sudo_nym Před 5 lety +1

      @Elenhith
      Hear hear.

    • @normanrossall3898
      @normanrossall3898 Před 5 lety

      He is yes to a certain degree but i would never place him on my mantelpiece. Imagine trying to have a wank over Baywatch with that head gawping at you.

    • @AlternativeDesign100
      @AlternativeDesign100 Před 5 lety

      utterly agree. @Elenhith

    • @buildfear
      @buildfear Před 5 lety

      GAZZA WAZZA you spelt embarrassment wrong.

  • @TheInstituteOfArtAndIdeas
    @TheInstituteOfArtAndIdeas  Před 4 lety +151

    For more from Peter Hitchens, watch our exclusive interview with him here on the limits of free speech and censorship today czcams.com/video/AFKkDQm49io/video.html

    • @CoopyKat
      @CoopyKat Před 4 lety +6

      The Institute of BIGOTS is more like it. You are DISGUSTING.

    • @topperharley2593
      @topperharley2593 Před 4 lety +4

      Ask your much better brother why, peter. No amount of bluster and bullshit will ever remove his shadow from your sky.

    • @T00THY_0RiFiCE
      @T00THY_0RiFiCE Před 4 lety +1

      No thanks

    • @devinwegner56
      @devinwegner56 Před 4 lety +3

      So if I understand: he used to do what he thought was right instead of having morals, and now he takes morality out of his political decisions thereby justifying "capital punishment". Tl;Dr, he thinks the left thinks they're correct because they abide by morals they hold.
      This must be what it feels like to encounter genius so staggering as to seem incohearant. Only a true galaxy brain could take this and extract meaning...

    • @BelushiWhale
      @BelushiWhale Před 4 lety +4

      This was a dumb video. Yall need smarter speakers

  • @michaelhowell2541
    @michaelhowell2541 Před 2 lety +2

    At least they aren't trying to overthrow our democracy!😆🇺🇸

  • @ramgladore
    @ramgladore Před 2 lety +1

    For some people, its more important to be first than correct.

  • @micahgmiranda
    @micahgmiranda Před 5 lety +36

    It's absurd to assume that everyone with a particular political stance has an identical demeanor. The only reason anyone would choose to believe that is because they're just looking for an excuse to act superior themselves.

    • @mutably
      @mutably Před 5 lety +6

      Exactly, I've seen the same amount of arrogant and uninformed people on the whole political compass.

    • @johnmilligan6605
      @johnmilligan6605 Před 2 lety

      Some political views are discusting and can only be held by morally deficient individuals that fact was established at Nuremberg! NEVER AGAIN or have we forgot?

    • @WoodRabbitTaoist
      @WoodRabbitTaoist Před 2 lety +3

      I don't think he's implying that everyone with a particular political stance has an identical demeanor. It's just generalizations. There are always exceptions but generally speaking people with certain political stances tend to have a certain demeanor. You're arguing a straw man.

    • @micahgmiranda
      @micahgmiranda Před 2 lety +2

      @@WoodRabbitTaoist you're the one arguing the straw man. I never said that he said that, did I?

    • @WoodRabbitTaoist
      @WoodRabbitTaoist Před 2 lety

      @@micahgmiranda it sure seemed like you were trying to imply it. Maybe I misunderstood.

  • @kendrickjahn1261
    @kendrickjahn1261 Před 5 lety +113

    The man has a point. RIP Christopher Hitchens, by the way.

    • @janethockey9070
      @janethockey9070 Před 4 lety +2

      Kendrick Jahn This is his bro

    • @markbaker5599
      @markbaker5599 Před 4 lety +1

      This prick was clearly the black sheep

    • @seanmoran6510
      @seanmoran6510 Před 3 lety +2

      Christopher remained a Trotskyist and had no scruples about dealing with others that disagreed with him.
      Give me Christian Peter any day of the week!

    • @seanmoran6510
      @seanmoran6510 Před 3 lety +3

      @@markbaker5599 Your the prick who’d wheel out the Guillotine then cry when it Came for him!

    • @outdatedfarmequipment2702
      @outdatedfarmequipment2702 Před 2 lety

      Socialism now that sounds good.

  • @terrys.2342
    @terrys.2342 Před rokem +2

    Perfectly sums up everything occuring in the world.

  • @richdemanowski2575
    @richdemanowski2575 Před rokem

    The problem stems from judging actions by the actors' stated intention (which, sadly, is often a lie) rather than the results of the action.

  • @Komnenos1234
    @Komnenos1234 Před 5 lety +1094

    Peter Hitchens vs a whole battery of leftists as usual.

    • @bodspafc
      @bodspafc Před 5 lety +29

      Jesse Palmer How did he ‘lose’?

    • @ridew3072
      @ridew3072 Před 5 lety +9

      Playing the victim.

    • @takkiejakkie5458
      @takkiejakkie5458 Před 5 lety +12

      Jesus Christ, what a whiner. If you have good arguments, it should not matter how many opponents you're debating with. Also, that he is the only one not on the left there doesn't automatically mean he's right. I see a lot of people confusing courage with being right. That's when you end up with fools like Trump.

    • @peterclifford8305
      @peterclifford8305 Před 5 lety +19

      @@jessepalmer9271- PH is offering facts, you just don't get it! How can you offer facts and reason to any leftists??

    • @ridew3072
      @ridew3072 Před 5 lety +4

      Global Rationality Hit the nail on the head - I never heard his brother complain about being outnumbered.

  • @tseliteiv
    @tseliteiv Před 4 lety +38

    "What politicians can do about morality is they can quite often push people into doing things they don't want to do because they the politicians think those things are right or they can stop people from doing things that they would otherwise like to do and my great beef about this is that over the past 50 or 60 years almost every piece of legislation social or economic has been designed to make it harder for people unless they're very rich to raise their own children and particularly for women to stay at home and bring up the next generation rather than going out and being wage slaves." - Peter Hitchens

    • @paulk5311
      @paulk5311 Před rokem

      i don't think it is so much legislation as it is covetousness.
      people become slaves to their jobs because they want more stuff. simple as that.

  • @turinthalion8784
    @turinthalion8784 Před rokem +1

    What a phenomenal family, two brilliant men. We miss your brother a lot btw! Not that you aren't keeping his work going.

  • @herbertfawcett7213
    @herbertfawcett7213 Před 2 lety

    Having your OWN moral standard, is an IMMORAL position!

  • @nw8000
    @nw8000 Před 4 lety +58

    Look at that woman winch when he explains about capital punishment lol thus proving his point..

    • @nw8000
      @nw8000 Před 3 lety +3

      @The Flash Because they are weak

    • @MCshlthead
      @MCshlthead Před 3 lety +3

      @@nw8000 well we can't all be strong like you internet tough guy

    • @newyorkfan16
      @newyorkfan16 Před 2 lety

      women lust for power, despite men acquiring it...

  • @ankindo
    @ankindo Před 4 lety +32

    Just watching the short clip of the other presenters on stage while Hitchen speaks is priceless.

  • @gregj831
    @gregj831 Před 2 lety +1

    Excellent video! Goes right to the point.

  • @esava44
    @esava44 Před 2 lety +1

    "Wage slaves" is exactly what it is. So good.

  • @stevemm5266
    @stevemm5266 Před 3 lety +46

    So much greatness and wisdom from one family. The Hitchens.

    • @jakecostanza802
      @jakecostanza802 Před 2 lety

      Especially when Chris supported the invasion of Iraq.

    • @stevemm5266
      @stevemm5266 Před 2 lety

      @@jakecostanza802 I did not say he works against Jewish interests.

  • @LivSaysNonsense
    @LivSaysNonsense Před 5 lety +72

    Years ago I believed in objective morality, and believed that holding any value was an act of hubris and naivety. Which led me to be a nihilist for a period of time. It took me a long time before I heard people like Jordan Peterson and Conservatives talk about personal responsibility and the importance of family. All of that led to breaking out of this relativistic mindset and drawing hard lines.

    • @DoctorPhileasFragg
      @DoctorPhileasFragg Před 2 lety +8

      Having a relativistic mindset meant believing in objective morality?

    • @hermanwooster8944
      @hermanwooster8944 Před 2 lety +7

      @@DoctorPhileasFragg I think Wingdings meant subjective morality. The rest of the comment strongly implies it.

    • @oisnowy5368
      @oisnowy5368 Před 2 lety +4

      When someone writes "years ago I believed in objective morality, and believed that holding any value was an act of hubris and naivety" ... that's a does not compute for me. Morality is about values, how can anyone claim to be moral without values? And even if one is against values, being against values is a value in and of itself. Could you elaborate on the mindset you left behind?

    • @tamething1
      @tamething1 Před 2 lety +1

      William Gairdner's book "The War Against the Family" is very eye-opening too.

    • @andrewhart9913
      @andrewhart9913 Před 2 lety +5

      @@hermanwooster8944 Yes. Nihilism is radical existentialism so they must have meant subjective morality. It's funny and sad how almost all heinous acts of evil in world can be traced back to nihilism, because if there is no objective morality then it's anyone's game to classify their own with any basis, regardless of whether it involves hurting countless others. Crime and Punishment illustrates the clear danger of this, and Nazism even more.

  • @Aeroldoth3
    @Aeroldoth3 Před 2 lety

    One of hte biggest problems is people thinking the greatest divide is left vs right, and not the reality of classism... rich vs masses.

  • @internetmail3888
    @internetmail3888 Před 8 měsíci +1

    What people accuse others of is often a projection of their own character.

  • @benthejrporter
    @benthejrporter Před 4 lety +7

    Peter Hitchens is a truly honourable man.

  • @mickmullins936
    @mickmullins936 Před 5 lety +89

    Mr. Hitchens is one of the reasons I buy the Mail on Sunday.

    • @fen0000
      @fen0000 Před 5 lety +5

      Read it online and hang on to your money. Most of it is not worth paying for.

    • @WeAreWafc
      @WeAreWafc Před 5 lety +1

      I just read Peter’s column online and buy the Sunday Telegraph instead.

    • @thumbprint7150
      @thumbprint7150 Před 5 lety +1

      Mick, I am so sorry.

    • @Fordnan
      @Fordnan Před 5 lety

      The others including that you hate immigrants, and benefit scrounges, yet simultaneously fawn over the self-styled ‘Windsor’ family?

  • @Balthazar2242
    @Balthazar2242 Před rokem

    Such a good way of putting it

  • @jimallen8186
    @jimallen8186 Před rokem

    What you do when you think no one is looking as well as what you do when you know everyone is looking; groupthink is dangerous while peer pressure is powerful.

  • @aaronpaskovitz3789
    @aaronpaskovitz3789 Před 2 lety +6

    Everytime he said 'left', I substituted it for 'right'. It came out the same.

    • @RtB68
      @RtB68 Před 2 lety

      Did he hurt you that badly? Ohhh you poor boy.

    • @Jackaljkljkl
      @Jackaljkljkl Před rokem +1

      Yea, radical fringes are bad. It's not complicated...

  • @pilroberts6185
    @pilroberts6185 Před 4 lety +9

    Seems the two people sitting two and three seats to the right of Peter are exactly the smug self anointed morale superiors Peter is describing.

  • @AdamAspinall-ly3vo
    @AdamAspinall-ly3vo Před rokem +10

    Peter Hitchens is a national treasure

  • @stephenkaake7016
    @stephenkaake7016 Před 2 lety +1

    I don't have a problem with someone holding a different view or opinion, I have a problem with their whole way of treating others, constant berating, insulting, threatening, purposeful distortion

  • @ryantandy307
    @ryantandy307 Před 4 lety +13

    "Recoil as a salted snail" ... BOOM

  • @caspershyr8059
    @caspershyr8059 Před 4 lety +27

    Listening to Peter’s voice made me realize how much i miss Christopher Hitchens

    • @patbrennan6572
      @patbrennan6572 Před 4 lety +1

      '' Oh yeah' , he was the one that had sympathy for those that weren't wealthy..

    • @marcokite
      @marcokite Před 4 lety +7

      @ItsStillRealToMe DamnIt - you couldn't be more wrong. actually the dumber, dishonest, bitter one is the one who we lost. the more intelligent, honest one is still with us. may Christopher H rip though

  • @hermeticinstrumentalist6804

    Learning from everybody.
    Thank you for this video.

  • @gasser5001
    @gasser5001 Před 2 lety

    Closed my eyes and imagined it was Chris talking. Fantastic brothers.

  • @911shan
    @911shan Před 5 lety +4

    I looked at him, read his name, and heard his voice and quickly went to wikipedia with his name. Never knew Christopher Hitchens had a brother. Awesome!

    • @dinocarlucci2105
      @dinocarlucci2105 Před 5 lety

      shan_rocks
      Christopher kept it quiet. Now you know why.

  • @mountbara
    @mountbara Před 2 lety +23

    "The left think they're right and that they are better people". This is probably the clearest explanation of why debates on what needs to be done can no longer happen.

    • @samjordan8800
      @samjordan8800 Před 2 lety +4

      The irony is that the left also think their enemy on the right is right, when in fact the Nazis and Fascists they rail against are all leftist political ideologies.
      That's right, boys and girls. Nazism is a leftist ideology.
      Not only that, but Hitler got all his most extreme ideas from the American Democrat Party of his day....including a review of the idea of how the Democrat South decided who is black before they codified who they would target. It turned out that the Democrat method of the "one drop rule" was too *extreme* for even the Nazis.

    • @janedoe1146
      @janedoe1146 Před 2 lety

      @@samjordan8800 You're deluded and proven wrong re: Trump, Republicans, voter suppression tactics, AND THE FACT THEY LOST THE PRESIDENCY, NO FRAUD, AND YET CONTINUE TO DIVIDE THE PEOPLE WITH THIS BS.

    • @s.g.3898
      @s.g.3898 Před 2 lety +1

      @@janedoe1146 The entire Trump term was filled by the Left screaming about him not being their President lol. Accuse your opponents of what you are doing is a major Marxist tactic and boringly predictable. I'm kinda glad Biden is in power. His policies are waking up a lot of people to how inept the Democrats and Socialists are. Another three years of this and Dems will be lucky to get any power for a generation. Sometimes, the only way out is through.
      Protip: Typing in Caps does not make you more correct, it just makes you look like a child throwing a hissy-fit

    • @danielgoicoechea3440
      @danielgoicoechea3440 Před 2 lety +1

      @@samjordan8800 "Nazism is a leftist ideology" LOOOOOOL sorry no.

    • @Hindutvaiscringe
      @Hindutvaiscringe Před 2 lety

      ​@@danielgoicoechea3440 Hitler was personally a socialist.
      “We are Socialists, enemies, mortal enemies of the present capitalist economic system with its exploitation of the economically weak, with its injustice in wages, with its immoral evaluation of individuals according to wealth and money instead of responsibility and achievement, and we are determined under all circumstances to abolish this system!” - Adolf Hitler

  • @jackmakackov7077
    @jackmakackov7077 Před 2 lety

    When one side has been wrong about every single thing this country has ever faced, the other side tends to think they are correct........

  • @MrLeighman
    @MrLeighman Před 2 lety

    To know you are dumb is wise, to not know you are dumb is arrogance - Leigh Pierce 11/01/2022

  • @konchady
    @konchady Před 4 lety +8

    The "uh-oh" look on the panelist's faces at 2:30 is gold.

  • @chelseaacidcasual2825
    @chelseaacidcasual2825 Před 3 lety +18

    Clever and honest man. He has my respect

  • @hast0408
    @hast0408 Před rokem +1

    Perceived moral high ground.

  • @bluetickfreddy101
    @bluetickfreddy101 Před 2 lety

    Very well said mate

  • @go2therock
    @go2therock Před 5 lety +32

    I have tremendous respect and appreciation for Peter Hitchens. I love that I can understand every word in this clip. Have to go watch this in its entirety now. Can't wait!

    • @jbrown2905
      @jbrown2905 Před 4 lety

      Go2therock 7

    • @robertwelsh4094
      @robertwelsh4094 Před 2 lety

      He's a whiner.

    • @jessebianchi2631
      @jessebianchi2631 Před 2 lety +1

      @@robertwelsh4094 i think pete is full of himself but empty at the same time. he basically boasted about being free of of an ethical core.

    • @hurdygurdyman1905
      @hurdygurdyman1905 Před 2 lety

      @@robertwelsh4094 Repeating this over and over doesn't make it true.

    • @hurdygurdyman1905
      @hurdygurdyman1905 Před 2 lety

      @@jessebianchi2631 When did he do that? Seemed he did the opposite.

  • @Hentarded
    @Hentarded Před 4 lety +103

    He describes Reddit to a tee.
    Also the point if they disagree with one thing you say you're labelled evil. Right and left do this and it's shameful.

    • @jokertim777
      @jokertim777 Před 4 lety +2

      The change thats happened to the left in the last decade is remarkable and horrible.
      Around 2007, I did a social experiment where I posted the same 10 blogs containing libertarian views on politics to both Daily Kos and Redstate. The result then was that the right attacked me immediately and banned me from the site (they were trying to fight off a Ron Paul revolution at the time). Daily Kos gave me some kudos, likes, as well as some insults and heated debate. What they NEVER did was ban me. I would say they did end up mostly ignoring my posting towards the end, but I went back a decade later and my account and all my content was still on their site. Pretty tolerant and benign compared to the insta-ban I got from the right.
      I know that the Never Pauls on Redstate had a lot to due with their reaction, but I definitely left the experiment with the impression that the left was more tolerant of dissent and supported the 1st Amendment. My how times have changed.

    • @LookDeeper
      @LookDeeper Před 3 lety +2

      Hentarded
      Those that wish to impose their world view from both extremes need a collective slap.

    • @fckgo0gle41
      @fckgo0gle41 Před 3 lety +5

      @@draith3358 LOL
      Mmmmmmm delicious salty redditor.

    • @Mrflowerproductions
      @Mrflowerproductions Před 3 lety +2

      @@draith3358 saying the n word serves two functions, well more like one function and one liberation. First theres the rebellious kick you get out of saying a word you're not supposed to say, and it serves the function of dissuading sensitive people from participating, which keeps the population at a healthy right wing majority.

    • @newyorkfan16
      @newyorkfan16 Před 2 lety +6

      @@Mrflowerproductions "saying a word you're not supposed to say," really dude? That's worth mentioning and virtue signaling about? I swear this world is under a collective mind control spell

  • @human.imagination
    @human.imagination Před 10 měsíci

    When debating someone who despises you look at for SIGN language… shaming, insults, guilt-trips, and need to be right

  • @olliefoxx7165
    @olliefoxx7165 Před 2 lety

    Wow, that's a very smart man. Age and experience brings wisdom if you're observant and willing to say, "I might be wrong.".