Throne And Liberty First Impressions - Worth Playing?
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- čas přidán 9. 12. 2023
- Throne And Liberty has released in Korea and here are my overall thoughts after playing for about 25 hours.
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The swirling effect instead of a loading screen after you teleport is actually quite inspired. Great design.
It's really good and quick
Reminds me of Tera.
There's gonna be monetization flr loading screen now
This looks cool. Also i like your style of videos. The fact that you mention grey areas and mention things you dont like but other people do is refreshing.
Great first impressions vid. TY
First impressions videos are great. Thumbs up!
Thanks so much!
I'm like 20 hrs into this game and having a lot of fun tbh. I really like the aesthetics of this game that brings out that immersive medieval vibe. I'm not actually into the whole guild-focused gameplay though simply cuz I don't really social much in game plus it's hard for me to connect with ppl in a server where there aren't lots of English speaking players. So far the game looks pretty decent but I just hope they make it more friendly to solo players
There was an option in the last beta that let you disable forcing your player into range lock-on, and the combat definitely felt interactive with a game controller.
I think they still exists but sometimes it's useful
Im so happy the WORLD has stuff in it like the events. Guild wars 2 really spoiled me and set the bar high for WORLD interactions. I think mmo's have started to focus too much on instanced content sadly and it loses out on the mmo aspect for me :(
I agree. That open world dungeon looks dope too. GW2 spoiled me too.
Played for 4 days with no stop now. Really enjoying it after thousands hours of newworld. It's a different game, different combat and different world vibe for sure. Cant really compare them directly. So far very good leveling experience, however i hear at max level there is nothing to do. Still 38 so will see how it goes.
Giant goblin bucher is easy to find. You can easily find any elite in game. Open map, on left there is area list, there find name of zone your quest say he is in, then press on exclamation mark next to it it will open list of all enemies in that zone and press on your enemie then on location button. This will mark all spots he spawn on map for you.
Thank u for sharing. I was a die hard NW fan during launch. I left NW a year after launch. Hoping TL replaces it well.
@@bad_boy8269 game feels like 90% lineage2/aion and 10% guildwars2. If you played/liked any of these you might like TL. Atleast its free to start playing so no problem to try. I am level 38now of 50 and dont feel any need to spend any money yet. Will see how it is late game when I get there.
nothing to do? the main focus is large pvp, crafting, collecting stuff and so on
The main focus is to open your wallet and pay to win
Some of the stuff you didn't like can be turned off --- check the settings. Maybe you should do a video on all the setting. Those mini bosses that are on the quest trace actually show up on the map when their live and walking around.
Nice overview. Good looks
Been watching a lot of content, but appreciate your explanation of the game so far
Thank you
I will be going from new world to this FOR SURE. LETS GOOOOO!!!!
Great info cheers!
Played tab targeting for 20 years at once point but imo both are ok if done right.
the tab target argument is because he comes from NW (the action combat with very limited attack is the best selling point of NW)
The fuck with tab target is when it is design for people with no skill.. you can make a good tab target combat like tESO or BnS.. or bad one like ashes (u can lock on target and teleport backward unlike a tESO u teleport in the direction your looking.. on ashes it's the direction your moving = low skill game/bad tab target)
Thank you for your opinion. Been following you since NW beta. I left NW after a year. Felt betrayed. Hope to see you in TL someday when it comes to NA ❤
We need a NA release ASAP!! Can't wait to play this game!
Excited for this one
I think we will see new races, lands, levels etc. I would hope so anyway.
i hope they have different races because I hate it when everyone looks the same
@@DxModel219 yeah, transmog only gets ya so far lolol.
Take my sub the most concise review of the game this far !!
Can you show us how do you play the kr version of throne and liberty?
I've been searching about release date for Europe. Anybody know where to find solid info about it please?
Is it possible to switch from say magic build to melee build with these dual weapon swaps or is magic locked to class, if there are any. I would love a battlemage type character who can use both spells and get into melee if needed
You can have any combo you like, there's 4 stats which would maybe hinder it but they all seem useful for all classes
watching Dannyh stream these timed events are for the guilds also. The guild stuff looks good despite not liking pvp much
i am so glad they have combat camera, just like in GW2
Nice review, mate! Question though - how were you able to bypass that Korean mobile number upon installation? And I'm assuming this Korean release has English UI built in already?
Fair opinion, tnx mate.
All those menus / systems remind me of how it was suppose to be playable with mobile. A lot of mobile mmorpgs have so many menus/ systems you have to click.
Still will wait for the Western release for this game and see how much enjoyment I can get from the game.
Yeah it looks like it should be on an iPad.
Can you explain? I see many people say this has a mobile interface, I just done see it? I think its beautiful and easy to understand.
It does simplify the game by not having crafting. Loot tables are smaller, nodes, pop times.
Does it have an economy that needs managing?
Having tab targeting makes the combat engine easier to function. Frame syncing etc.
I agree with some of your points, with others I don't. I ,personally, don't mind Tab Target too much. Sure, Action Combat is more engaging but it's not the end of the world. The questing is alright, nothing special but gets the job done and I don't think it's slow. I don't care for Tradeskills, don't bother with it in other games unless I have to.
They already announced a PvP Zone for the second big Update down the line, which I am very much looking forward to. All in all, it is as you say. The game has no unique selling point. It is alright but time will tell if they can add something that makes it stand out. I was hoping they would share the global release date at the Game Awards but of course there was nothing.
The selling point for me is the open world PvP, some person prefer their theme park over sandboxy MMOrpg, it's ok.. you have a tons of instanced PvE themepark MMO in the WEST to pretend PvP, like tESO, WoW or NW..
I just wish NCSoft was not lying when they announce that game with NO P2W over the years.. the F2P announcement was the end of the dream.. at best we gonna have a couple months of OW PvP before the P2W ruins this game.
Thank you for sharing. One of the great things, and in my opinin intelligent move is to NOT open vast number of zones and big world from the start. I like games, which develop over time, and don't overwhelm you form the start with the biggest world map ever, and then cannot keep up the pace in future. The map looks, like there is much to come in future, and you will have plenty to do in the beginning. Many great games died after 1-2 years, because they wanted to offer everything fro the start to compete with the big established MMOs just to fail to deliver in the long run.
I love how polished the game is on release, other devs should learn from it.
Other devs should learn to pay to win ?
keep playing this pay to win trash
@@backstabber3537 get a job bruv, real life is pay 2 win
Looking great. So the Korean launch has english language options?
Yes been playing a decent amount currently n I’d say it’s a solid 6.5/10 good not great but definitely fun, prolly would’ve been a 7 but combat feels janky it’s just not fluid enough
How do you make blade and soul combat? And then this? Did they fire every one that worked on that game?
Also how come they dont add "hide other characters" option to alleviate lag issues in raids?
Almost no loading screen while teleporting is greate. Cool if New World have this.
I just see a hell lot of players in one same zone without lagging, disappearing or generic skin changing, that for a MMO, is a big success these days.
I like tab target so, I am cool with that. I think we are dodging a bullet by it not coming out right away here. I think there might be quite a few more changes before it hits the global market, so it might be a great game by the time we can play it in the US. I think I will skip trying it out while it is in Korea only but, give it a shot when it comes to the US through AGS. Thanks for the great video on what it looks like so far.
Same here
Been playing level 36 atm n it definitely scratches that itch for a new mmo for sure but long term I don’t think this game will fair well so far a solid 6.5/10
I can’t wait to play idc bout the negative comments on it great video
This is going to scratch a nice Linage 2 itch, especially if large scale PvP and forming alliances with other guilds etc.
Nagh bro! You’re prettier in real life! Don’t let anyone tell you otherwise. Heheh😂
Also can you add the link of what you used to put your image in creation.
Hard to get access for eu player? Epicnpc?
I dont mind the old school theme of this game. I love long, hard fights, tab-target is IMO the superior combat system if done well (wow, archeage). Also dont mind the premium currency, since you can buy gold in every mmo anyways, but I am scared of p2w like archeage where you could buy the increased upgrade change thing in the store. Thankfully we cant fail upgrades here so will possibly not be a problem. I would say that the korean release of the game has impressed me massively, seems way better than than what I expected just a week ago.
As someone that has worked on MMOs and MMO tech for the majority of my software engineering career, the only way to properly make an MMORPG is with tab-targeting. Any form of real-time combat you could code in an MMO requires so much faking on the client and resolution on the server, that nothing is every truly fair. By the time you've attacked something, the server received processed the legitimacy and results of your attack, then broadcast it to all entities in the interest-cell, 3-4 seconds have passed.
I always laugh when I see someone die in games like Tera Online and Black Desert Online, and they're like, "How did they hit me?" Little do they know, they never hit the person they've been attacking either. By the time they attacked what they saw, it was somewhere else on the server already, and the server just used determinism to decide the chances of a hit being successful. Even the slightest lag and all that data is even more inaccurate and needs to be even more faked. Sorry for the rant haha, glad you like the combat.
Been playing too, I like it a lot, tryna build a tank......butvim also just enjoying the questing, havnt dome any dungeons yet
I personally do not like the questing and levelling, it feels really boring to me.
how can be boring if people push max lvl in 3 days,this is not mmorpg!For reason why i waiting AoC you need over 40 days to push max lvl if you play 4-6 hours per day!Same in Lotro i think i pushing lvl over 2 month :D,so point is i want to enjoy in game and research everything!@@jayoddity
@jayoddity I think New World is more boring, soulless and numb than Tl.
In Korea,
Many people think that theThrone and Liberty is very interesting.
I recommend Throne and Liberty.
Have a good time with Throne and Liberty
I'm bummed that i can't play it. I got a verified koren account, and im using exitlag as well. I also switched my pc clock to korea but whenever i log into the launcher and click on start game, it just pretends to run for like 10 secs and then the start game button becomes purple and clickable again and it just won't launch.😢
any idea when is the global release ?
Is the 'action combat' mode simillar to GW2? In GW2 there also is a simillar option to switch the combat to 'action'.
Hmm sort of but it doe snot feel as good at all
You can't miss attacks or anything
This game is for people that don't want to pay a monthly subscription to play an MMO that is well put together. I think the most enjoyable part of this game will be the communities within it for doing open world and PVP activities. I think it will have a FF 14 vibe to it.
I'm from the Philippines and when I go to steam it says unavailable in my region. How do I get in?
It's only Korea right now
@@jayoddity the info on google says korea was may 2023 and I thought the dec 2023 one was for the rest of the world. I'm guessing the former was one of the playtests. Sorry!
@@rjuwuxd3012 yeah so May was Korean beta test, there was an American test on September under NDA but now it's out on Korea but not global
Can you make a guide on how to play on the Korean server pls? Like I'm not sure if I need a korean phone number or just a VPN. The TL discord server has some info on how to setup VPN but does not mention if you need a phone number or not. 10x
You need to verify your account to play, which needs Korean details. A VPN by itself isn't enough
So I noticed the footage you showed, all the text was English. Is it possible to play the Korean released version in English?
level different in pvp to compete is one of the best things, why it should be harder for me to fight lv25 vs lv 15 if i invested more time. bigger question is do higher gear (low lv player) overkill higher lv player i think thye will balanced it. btw NCSFOT always end game with p2w, there is no exception
Hey Jay I liked your feedback. I generally don't like a TON of systems. Even BDO has too many systems. I don't like login rewards. I don't like like collection rewards. There are far too many other things I'd rather be doing. I played Throne yesterday and the day before and the world is the best part of the game. It's a beautiful world. That is hugely important for me so I'm sure that will keep me plying for a least a few weeks but I want crafting like Final Fantasy or Guild Wars 2. Crafting that matters. Crafting in Rift was actually really fun as well. You don't need a ton of systems you just need a good story a good progression path through dungeons and gear and quests and some niceties like a dye system and transmog or costumes.
Anyway the jury is out but the combat isn't good enough and the crafting obviously isn't what you would like.
Thanks again for the video. Well done.
5:53 Is not it Unreal 5?
This is a proper MMO! I am glad that Ncsoft made a better version of Lineage 2. Now i guess when it's released all my millions in the New World are going to rust a bit haha.
Thanks for the review Jay!
It will die in less then a year to to heavy pay to win
This game reminds me of Tera in a lot of aspects except tab target.
Game sounds great I'm super hyped for it. Also excited to upload a selfie and play as a hot guy
Great to see you cover a new game mate, even though it looks boring and I won’t be picking it up. It’s still good to have this content on top of the new world stuff. Especially since new world is getting boring at the moment.
It really looks boring af, even compare to NW.
@@SKVOZEET lol makes me appreciate new world a bit 😂
@@SKVOZEETyeah it’s pretty sad because watching paint dry is more entertaining than playing NW anymore
When is NA release?
the design very similiar with gloria but that's the smooth version, cmiw
So far I’d say this game is a solid 6.5/10
4.5/10 for me
NOw Archeage is deciding to go single player, I'll give that a miss and look forward to Throne & Lib
adieu new world.
I'm mixing up my youtube content but I am playing New World on stream today
When is Na/Eu release?
i was finally able to get in! do you guys know which server is the one where the english speaking community is playing?
So the combat is pretty much just like Aion only that it has an action combat feature as well xD I guess NCsoft doesn't wanna move away from auto-attacks xD
what vpn do you recommend please
Exit lag
If you like old school MMO feels, this is it. Reminds me of GW1. Definitely not for people who have had it easy MMO style. Leveling is just fine. Tab target is switchable to action combat which is PERFECT. Movement feels really good. Questing is seamless. Just my opinion. I’ve got 20 hours in? It’s been a lot of fun and it’s gorgeous.
Pick this world and custons in NW combate style and voila!
Sad cus Im a old orfan of NFC L2 legacy games and dont see other races. Excessive trail to follow.
This is the better review at time in yt
I think I'm going to play for the mmo mechanics over the game mechanics. Heck, I still play osrs because it's more of an mmo than most mmo games
What action mmo are you playing? Most i have played get boring fast.
New World but we lacking some content!
I actually love tab target. I'm not a console player and really hate using a controller for playing an mmorpg. They are a must for the action combat games where combos are a thing because moving and doing your attacks and skills is pretty hard or uncomfortable on a mouse and keyboard. Honestly, it's one the reasons why I could never get into games like Black Desert or Blade n Soul. It also might be that I am an old school gamer and tab target is just the more traditional style for an mmorpg...well that or click to move/attack.
What is GW2 considered? I am having a hard time picturing tab vs. action.
@@Elsith01 it's considered a hybrid of tab and action
I hope RIOT is listening to streamers like Jay. Coming out with a MMO today is hard, you either New World it and add things later and scavenge off what players will tolerate it, or you develop a 50% game like T&L and hopefully things get added later to get on par with GuildWars2 or World of Warcraft, or you spend longer in dev and come out with a fully developed game. Once you wrap your head around older graphics games being an art style and not hyperrealism then these older MMO's are just fine. GW2 actually looks semi modern if you setup reshade, wow is always going to be wow, and that style is adopted into WayFinder which is what I'd imagine a RIOT mmo would even look like and considering that the WayFinder company did work on some RIOT League titles it's not surprising to see familiar art styles there. When you come down to it, are you just interested in end game content, the community aspect, exploring, crafting or all of the above. That's what makes a MMO for a person what they find important and what is catered to them. I've watched hours of T&L gameplay and I find the MMO sort of soul less still. Wow has tons of side quests, but once those are done it's mainly raids, mythic+, and transmog. In GuildWars2 lol there's all kinds of end game content it's not even funny and everything from the starter zone to the end game is still relevant to your end game play. They did an excellent job tying that together. Which makes it weird that considering ANet's and NCSoft's relationship is that some of that did not rub off onto the game. Dynamic events are awesome, meta events are needed as I have not seen them in the game. It's like a 10% solution right now. Course as more land opens more of that may be there. Jay try GW2 if you haven't, the hybrid mode is a mix of tab and action combat, and it works. Unlike T&L if you fire off an attack out of range or not pointed at the right mob it's wasted so how you play is consequential.
It's a crazy market to navigate right now I think
Jay why do you think NW has so much trouble retaining its players after 2 + years? Do you think this game will pull even more players from NW?
Lack of content innit
Still beta ? Or did it release ?
I like water....
Looks great, but I think I am going to skip this one. With so many systems already at launch, I can't imagine it in a year or 2. I used to play Conquer Online as a kid, and it got to a point where there was like 100 different systems you needed to do to gain power, and the top players were spending like 100,000$ so they could 1 shot everyone else.
TL server capacity is more than 10,000
if they gonna let your equips break when refining they need to give the AFK gameplay back, or this gonna be another black desert grind lol.
"This game is missing heart/soul"
*Goes back to New World*
lol
err bots will 100% sell via trade post. thats been standard practice since WoW
In my opinion, pure action combat on mmos just doesn't work. A hybrid can work but ac for sure not. TL sounds solid I'll try the game game for sure.
THE GAME IS AMAZING IM HOOKED
why is it when ever someone talks about this games market they never mention that you can also make premium currency for free by selling items as well? this means i could sell junk to wails and buy all the premium stuff i want without ever spending a penny. just like in warframe.
That is true, I don't think it's that bad conceptually but it will be memed
Please tell me that its not a fuckin hack n slash camera view
Not had the chance to play but overall from what I've seen, it looks really promising. My only concern is AGS. I just hope the game doesn't get diluted to appease the soft Western casuals.
I think people don’t like any new MMOs because.. well, OSRS is the best mmo already and if the game isn’t worth quitting OSRS for than it’s a no go sorry 🤷🏽♂️ 😂
No but for real. The game looks pretty decent I just hope there’s enough to do to keep us engaged with it until the first expansion. I think MMOs now a days are so afraid of giving players a true grind like OSRS that they complete all the content and get tired of the game before they can become truly invested In it
like you said, amazing game looks beautiful etc... just why is it stuck on lock on target etc, think if they changed that and can left click atttack right click block, game be golden apart from that jay think i will be the same and pass on this game unless it changes, good video tho
I played tab target for YEARS, not sure I can go back to it. Also, not really a fan of the high fantasy anymore. It does look like a beautiful game though.
Yeah to me it feels dated
Most of you crying about p2w games....welcome to NCSoft babes! Dont play this game unless you want to invest real time on it to enjoy its content. (No offense Jay, but another youtuber made an argument, so now all of you will live with those consiquenses) So better find and enjoy the content on NW before you start a game like this. Lineage 3 and generally NCSoft games are not meant for fainthearted people. What you see in 2-4 months you ll need to buy with real money to keep up! We wait this game since 2011, instead we got F2P-> P2W Lineage 2 : Goddess of Destruction.
Thanks for review … I’ll pass on this one
I'm having a hard time understanding tab vs action...
tab is auto lock on and you can press tab to cycle the enemy, action normally means you lef click to attack and you don't lock on, there is a hybrid
I'm glad you gave your opinion without bashing it like every other mainstream streamer. What people nowadays don't understand is the old school MMO player has been itching for something like this for a longg time now. Its nostalgic but with upgraded graphics, I just ask for people who aren't a fan, just go play something else, and please don't review bomb the game because its not your cup of tea.
I keep saying, old school mmo enjoyers will like this but that ain't me.
As far as the combat goes, I'm gonna argue that the reason they didn't go super heavy on the action combat is because the majority of current MMO players don't actually want that. It's nice at first and then tedious in the long run. Games like WoW and FF14 have done so well because of their appeal to casual gameplay and the sort of "zone out" gameplay loops that they employ.
It could be that we haven't seen an MMORPG employ heavy action combat in a good way, with complex encounters. For me personally, while i'm fully capable of the whole action combat thing, aiming everything etc, I vastly prefer tab target. There is just something about a good tab target MMO that scratches an itch, to me its like a genre in itself.
I do think tab might be more popular but this is like a step back
@@jayodditydo they have auto combat in this game or is it all combat skill button smashing?
Look great but giving ancient vibes
If there is a p2w there will be a black market for RMT.
well put good video still have hope but not happy and for lord of the rings not going to touch that if they can't get this one right no reason to take the chance
New World is officially dead who gonna play that when this releases its much better
Not for me, I won''t be playing this I don't think
Looks 20 years old
I’ll try it out but as soon as I feel the pay to win then I just quit the game. There are more games out there.
mmorpgss are based on skills and you have to focus on skills, how you going to press skills while presing wasd for movement? why just you guys won't play some offline games with max 4 skills?
I have an mmo mouse, I press the skills with my thumb. I don't know about the interplay of skills, they don't seem that exciting to me.
@@jayoddity i did not even knew if mmo mouse existed, just googled now lol