The REAL REASON one A-Wing took down a SUPER STAR DESTROYER
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- Today we look at how the Rebel Alliance were able to take down an Executor Super Star Destroyer with just a single A-Wing. All that and more on today's Star Wars Legends lore video!
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Sup Justin, love the vid. My question is; was there another MC-80 at the battle of Endor that the DS2 shot down with its superlaser?
I can't tell if it was Home One (maybe a repurposed shot with the same model) or just one of the Mon Calamari Star Cruisers (didn't have the wings though). Thx bud and congratz on the 2nd trench run with the wifey. #kisses
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2 questions about TROJ: How was Luke able to walk through the death star without being stopped? Were the other people too busy to care? Was he not viewed as a rebel, and instead a "guest" of the Emperor?
And 2), where does the A-wing get damaged firstly? I always thought it was along the city-scape of the Executor, but it looks like the A-wing is flying down into the cockpit, and you can just barely see something flying down from the mon cal cruiser, which seems odd because the x-wing behind it was taken out by a green laser, like from an imperial vessel. Is there any info on that?
The A-Wing spun, spinning is a good trick according to Anakin, makes it invincible
The pilot must have pressed Z or R twice
Palpatine did a spin and was able to kill 3 jedi masters and in legends did another spin and killed 3 other jedi in 1 spin
"Do a barrel row". Peppi
Thanks for summing up the video now I don't need to watch it
Poe spun once when he was doing the trench run to destroy Star killer base I believe.
Fan 1: "Hey wait a second, how does an A-Wing hitting a bridge take out an entire Super Star Destroyer? And why would it fall down in space anyway?"
Fan 2: "Er excuse me, please consult this gigantic pile of novels, technical manuals and headcanon explaining how this all makes complete sense!"
Writer's room, 1982: "Be cool if a Rebel ship hit one of the big Imperial thingies and it fell out of the sky in a big ball of flame."
"Sounds wicked George, I'll get ILM right on it."
To quote a guy who used to be on the BBC a few decades back, "And so, there you have it!"
Exactly lol, all those geeks with their totally stupid explanations of senseless things in a movie
Answer for fan 1:
The SSD was caught in the Death Star’s gravity well.
Yeah true some stuff is stupid to explain like this, it’s obvious the writers just wanted something cool looking to happen it didn’t need to make sense
You guys trying to say we're wrong for coming up with explanations for events in the movies are just unimaginative and boring. Have some fun, jeez...
Rebel Fleet: Pilot, you don’t have the firepower.
A-wing pilot: *I’ve got the mass.*
Solid copy. Hit them hard, pilot.
You're on your own Noble, Carter out
And very, very unstable engine/reactor fuel ;)
Lol
Goodnight, sweet prince;
And flights of angels sing thee to thy rest.
*Two nights ago:* Some guy in stream chat remarks on how an A-Wing took down an entire SSD.
*Eck:* This kid's gonna LEARN.
Pretty sure it was Pirez Because I invoked a debate 🙂
Could have been.
@@attilathehun5067 I re-watch and yes
Eh I'm starting to lose hope for the survival of originality.
AHH Ship System Display?? OH Nevermind.
What if, being swarmed, Piett moved the Executor closer to the Death Star to limit the number of angles of attack the Rebels could use?
That does have some benefit especially if it could also rely on the station side weapons to help screen away the capital ships while the TIEs dealt with the fighters.
It could buy some time but the ship would still be doomed.
The second death star was still going to explode and that ship might not have had enough time to get out of there before it did.
I was under the impression they moved close to the Death Star to protect vulnerable sections once the deflector shield was disabled.
I feel surface area weapons would have caused more damage to each other. The smart move would have been to have the fleet advance at the rebel fleet.
The truth is this was a script decision. It would be ridiculous for the SSD to move closer to the DS as they would have had to go thru the entire rebel fleet to do so. Remember the imperials came up behind the rebels to pin them between them and the DS. The admiral himself ordered “hold here”. They were not going to move in for fear of getting in the way of the DS super weapon
Law of Significant Velocity: Anything is a weapon if traveling fast enough.
The Golden BB. Gets them every time.
Japanese Kamikazee pilot: Are you sure about that?
No interstellar capable craft is unarmed. Try not to get caught up in the engine exhaust. XD
Also, the kinetic energy of a moving object is linear with mass, but exponential with velocity...
Then why aren't they shooting actual projectiles but laser beams?
@@linden5480 cuz its cooler
the Executor was Vader's flagship, you can bet your ass that there were no incompetent personal there, i bet even the janitors were like clockwork
His mistake was sparing piett after bespin.
I love the idea of Vader choking even the janitors who don't do a good enough job.
@@theknave1915 Piett I firmly believe was a good officer, Ive read several comments stating why it's more likely that the A-Wing "Destroying the SSD" was more like the final thing that brought it down. Someone even pointed out if it was gravity that brought it down, it should have went down equally with a tilt towards the engines since they're the heaviest, but instead it went nose diving, which means they were in some sort of tactical maneuver listing a certain way RIGHT when the A-Wing hit the bridge, and killed the, uh, Ill simply call him the driver. Its kinda like those cliche moments where someone dies while driving something, then their steering wheel gets caught and the vehicle just veers to that direction non-stop.
@@azazaz4627 I disagree. Piett proved in both movies he lacked the adaptivity or the level headedness to achieve victory. Moving the executor into the gravity well of the death star was foolish. Such a move only protects from capital ships. Time and again imperial officers underestimate the role of single seat fighters! And right at the end Piett panicks. What does he do, he orders to intensify the forward point defence. The time it takes to reroute the power and re-angle the point defense was too long and allowed the A-wing to slip through the flak screen and run the trench superstructure. The second officer says as much in his last words. The moment the bridge deflector failed Piett should have ordered transfer to the secondary bridge. But because he panicked and trusted too much on the firepower of his ship. 300,000 people lost there lives.
@@theknave1915 It was actually Emperor Palatine's fault. He order Piett not to use any of the Command ships to fire on the Rebels because he wanted to show the power of the second Death Star. Because of this, it led to a lot of confusion when the Rebels used the ships for protection against the Death Star.
It's always bugged me how some people never seemed to notice Ackbar's orders to focus firepower on the Executor. Or how close all those Rebel warships were to it that you can see out the Executor's bridge. The Emperor is the sole cause of the Empire's downfall. If he wasn't so keen on putting on show and allowed the Star Destroyers and the Executor to actually engage Rebel ships, they probably wouldn't have been overwhelmed.
Or, you know, deployed the *literally* ten thousand TIEs that were present. The total number launched appears to be a few hundred.
Its one thing what is said, but its another thing that thet Executor looks so pristine when its gowing down. And it just doesn't make sense that the basic functions of a ship of this size would in any way be affected by the loss of the bridge. Was there an officer on the lower decks panicking "The bridge is gone! I've no idea what to do now! Lets point the nose of the ship straight down, I think thats what they would have wanted me to do!"
This whole scene would have made a lot more sense if we had seen, for example, battle damage to the engines instead of the bridge hit.
@@MareTranquil Part of that is the technology of the time. They spent seven weeks working almost 24/7 to get the Executor built. I don't think anyone on the SFX team was in a hurry to destroy or damage that model. Note how unlike a lot of other craft, they don't actually use charges to blow up the Executor, they just shoot a (fairly obvious) flame jet up out of the surface between it and the camera.
Also none of the ships present accrue any sort of visible battle damage in the wide shots. The scene was complicated enough to work out as it was. Most of the ships were also composited repeatedly. There was only one full detail ISD, all close shots are that single model, so they had to be careful what they did to it. There are similarly only a handful of actual Mon Cal ships, they're just photographed from multiple angles and layered into the scene to flesh out the fleet. That's where we got the Tector, when they had to use an alternate model to layer two ISDs in a single shot, and somebody forgot to make sure the bottom wasn't visible.
@@d_valroth First of all, The Wrath of Khan had been made one year earlier, so "the technology of the time" did certainly allow for showing damage on spaceships. Secondly, if they were able to do this nice close-up shot of the damaged bridge, why not also use this for just one other shot somewhere else on the ship? Or, maybe, INSTEAD of the bridge shot? Thridly, if you're writing a scene that you can't or don't want put into your movie, then something has gone wrong.
But most importantly, this is what we see:
"Concentrate fire on this SSD" -> Fighters destroy shield generator -> "We've lost bridge deflector shields" -> "Concentrate forward firepower" -> Fighter crashes -> Explosion on bridge -> SSD, with visible damage to the bridge only, falls out of the sky.
Now, if this was footage discovered by an archeologist, then you could certainly argue that these things are not connected to each other, and that you just dont have found any footage of the important things. And there seems to be a lot of this kind of thinking going on in the Star Wars fanbase. But this is a movie, not some found footage, and what you decide to show or not show has meaning.
Its like some fans simply cannot accept that "I hope not too many people think about this" might have been a part of George Lucas' mindset for certain aspects of these movies.
@@MareTranquil I didn't say it wasn't possible, I said they were unwilling to do it. The Miranda-class model was made specifically for Wrath, and it was one of only two ships present in the entire battle sequence. It was easy to say "okay, we've shot all the scenes for this phase of the battle, now we'll damage both ship models and shoot the next" and so on. They could have damaged or destroyed the physical Executor model. They did not. It's alive and well today.
Also, "I hope people don't think about this" sums up the entire Star Wars franchise. Parsecs are not a unit of time. Lightspeed will not get you across the galaxy in a week. Destroyers are one of the smallest navel vessels, not the biggest. Space generally requires thrusters facing in more than one direction. The EU is one massive fix fic that explains away all sorts of inaccurate or illogical statements. The novelization of RotJ even realizes that scene has issues and tries to add some stuff you just didn't see because it was off camera. Honestly, why Lucas didn't fix that instead of ruining Jabaa's palace in the special edition is beyond me.
Edit: To be more clear, the technology they had did not allow for compelling CG or digital compositing, so they couldn't really fake damage to the Executor beyond the composited flames from the bridge and engine. Making it look good would require actually damaging the model, which they seemed very opposed to since there was no taking it back if any other footage turned out to need a reshoot.
This is my interpretation (using pre-NC reckoning). The Executor was under sustained fire from the Rebel Fleet, harried by starfighters. They began maneuvering closer to the DS2 to gain assistance from its Turbo Lasers and hoping the Rebels wouldn’t want to move closer to the station. The sensor dome (that’s what the EU classified it as) was destroyed which overloaded the bridge deflector shields temporarily. Piett ordered forward point defense fire intensified to protect the bridge while they were being restored. Before that could happen, Green Leader was hit, causing a surge of power to his engines which propelled him too close to the command tower. Seeing no alternative Green Leader kamikazied the bridge. The crew on the secondary bridge didn’t expect their involvement in the actual command of the ship, so they weren’t on the ball when the bridge was destroyed. The engines were damaged around the same time, causing a loss of attitude control which allowed the ship to be pulled down by the DS2’s gravity. Before the secondary crew could get full control of the ship, the Executor was already in a dive, it’s mass was too much for the crippled engines to arrest even at full reverse thrust, and it impacted the station.
Me: sees sensor dome
Give this man a cookie. No give him two
In Star Wars battlefront a comment is made about the commander of the Super Star destroyer being a fool.
That might suggest Imperial doctrine was to never to have super star destroyer get that close to a planetary body's gravity well.
It's always bugged me that computer games keep identifying the domes as being the shield generators. Surely an empire capable of controlling a galaxy would not put the main defence of their primary capital ships in such a vulnerable position. It's rather satisfying to have an explanation that makes more sense while not contradicting the events of the movies.
Matthew Caughey ROS showed Palpy had very deep pockets
Akray Bothorda The X-wing/TIE Fighter games were following the lead of WEG when they were producing the RPG. There were many factual errors in the WEG material that became ingrained in the 90s EU and carried over even to this day as canon.
I love how you can instantly tell it's an EA Star Wars cutscene, because 50% of the rooms lights are off, usually on the right side of the screen.
Michael Andrei Palon it still better than most FPS games
Michael Andrei Palon awesome game, Terrible campaign.
I G Prab Unpopular opinion I liked the campaign. The only issue I have with it is how the alliance almost completely trusts Iden.
King of Sinter well the missions are pretty fun but it lacked depth. I didn’t grow to care that much about Iden.
@@gusp6612 Ruined the moment Iden became a rebel
Just watched the og trilogy today so this is fresh in my mind
Not everything holds up but like, damn!
right, in so much how much still works and seems better than even the new series.
I've seen deleted scenes of return of the jedi
Didn’t ask
@@zx-oq9su the world doesn't revolve around you, things will happen you didn't ask for
G2 your parents didn’t ask for u and look what they got
Arvel Crynyd in X-wing TMG:
"You can perform primary attacks at range 0.
If you would fail a Boost action by overlapping another ship, resolve it as though you were partially executing a maneuver instead."
@Zech Slade Rebel A-wings are still injustly underpowered for options in the TMG #Justice4RZ1s
Ahhh love me some X-Wing
@@thelonious2213 #Justice4RZ1s
I always found it funny how in Star Wars, engines pointing _parallel_ to the horizon can always manage to keep the ship aloft _vertically._ 😅
So, essentially, Executor's destruction was a "death by thousand cuts", both in Legends and New Continuity, and the A-wing was just the final blow, something the already overtaxed damage control system was unable to cope with... also, I vaguely remember that in Legends, there was something about the nature of A-wing's engines and fuel that made the ship go BOOM in a spectacular way, and the way the effect went, the blast didn't just took the command deck, but blew quite a large hole in the front of the command tower, and thus I wonder what exactly went down with it...
Maybe the drift towards Death Star wasn't as much of a case of gravity but rather engines or controls (thrusters, etheric steering, whatever) going haywire because of death throes of primary steering components (damaged/destroyed in this massive explosion, burned from power surge, there could have been many reasons) coupled with previous extensive damage...
I love that you said new continuity rather than new canon. As far as I'm concerned, Disney didn't decanonize legends (you can't really, it's all fiction), they just wanted make their own story separate from what was written before.
(Off-topic, I know, sorry)
I imagine that the damage caused by the ramming A-wing somehow sent false signals to the ship controls, like a "short circuit" of a sorts, because you can clearly see it makes a sudden turn and speed increase and flies straight into the Death Star. The secondary bridge SHOULD have corrected for it, but it looks like they never gained control of the ship. I don't know if that was also because of the A-wing ram or other damage.
Ackbar made a big gamble, but boy did it pay off!
@@Grubnar or the helms man had made those maneuvers before being killed and could not stop it (being dead)
@@Grubnar I wonder whether there could have been an EMP from those engines exploding... those are IIRC fusion engines, and if they go nuclear in atmosphere (such as inside of a command tower), there could have been enough air to be ionised to produce some degree of EMP, and because it all happened inside the ship, physical shielding against such an attack (such as from ion cannon) could have been bypassed... however, I'm not sure if I get the physics behind that correctly...
Of course, that would have even larger implications for the universe as a whole, but it migt be already the case in lore... in NJO: Destiny's Way, Vergere used A-wing in a suicide run against Yuuzhan Vong at Ebaq 9 and the resulting crater was radioactive for days...
I suspect the internal portions of a ship are not designed to stop a very fast, explosively disintegrating object such as an A-Wing once the hull has been penetrated. Effectively, the A-Wing acted like a DU tank-gun round, igniting and detonating all around it and ripping through the bulkheads.
I have always looked it as the straw that broke the camel's back, not the A wing Bringing Down the ship by itself.
I see it that way as well. It's possible that with the damage done to the ship that it would have taken time for secondary control centers to regain control of the ship which they didn't have.
Eck forgot to mention that Executer was in the middle of a battle maneuver when the bridge was knocked out. that is from the old cannon but the movie shows it dropping and it looks like its trying to escape from the Mon Cals that are attacking it.
Yeah it would sure have been severely crippled just like the Nimitz from some pirate dinghies lol
Well, they lost their bridge and lost control long enough to crash. Never noticed the damaged engine before, but that exacerbated the problem.
@@bedolschnutzler2604 absurdly large pirate dinghies armed to the teeth with anti-carrier weaponry?
As much as I love this scene lets be honest. The reason the ssd crashes into to the ds is because it looks so damn cool. In any real battle that ship would never be that close to the ds. Rule of cool at work, but hey it did look super cool.😎
In addition to agreeing with you I'd like to add that George Lucas was fond of the David vrs Goliath theme.
Have you seen the crazy flight maneuvers of the star destroyers and their totally overly confident pilots?
Rule of Cool explains a lot of Star Wars WTF moments... ;)
It allso makes sense . wehen the bridge was destroyed. The ssds engines turned of. it started to drift. Since it was so close. It was afected by the second eath stars gravity field. Which pulled the ssd toward the second death star.
Also the bridge deflector shield was destroyed which is where all the controls are with the shield destroyed making the super star destroyer vulnerable to attacks with the bridge without shield no defense a single ship crashing through the bridge the super star destroyer is screwed crashing into the deathstar blowing up and that's the reason why it got destroyed not just that but the deathstar shield generator also protected the fleet but Han Solo takes out the shield generator so the star destroyers have there own shield but taking a bunch of hits the shield can't hold forever
Movie: Does something silly:
NOVELS: NOW ALLOW ME TO EXPLAIN AND MAKE IT COOL.
Immature. Logic>cool.
@@clashman7564 basically 🤣
“He aimed it at the bridge to hopefully disable the executor”
This is the greatest plaaaaaan!
Man, too soon...
_Executor:_ *exists*
Arvel: Gee that sure is a nice super star destroyer. Would be a shame if something ...happened to it...
That sounds evil.
Because Admiral Piett's theories about "The Intensification of Forward Firepower" were slightly off.
Too late!
*MASSED EXPLOSION*
@Kenneth Boyer It's a joke
Watching this as a kid I never would have thought that he was in "taking all of you with me mode". Which as an adult IS something I can appreciate.
Edit: the way akbar sat back in relief and disbelief really shows how close that battle felt.
the A-wing?
ah yes, you mean, futuristic kamikaze!
Rebellion-heika banzai!
Zero-wing
it's 'a long time ago', so it's retro-kamikaze ;)
The gravitational force of the Death Star wasn't even remotely strong enough to pull the SSD down that fast. It would need the mass of something like a star or bigger to make it move that fast relative to it's size.
The more logical argument is the SSD's engines went out of whack and caused it to crash into the Death Star.
Personally, I'd love to see an official scene/summary of rebel teams/sabotage using some of the Death Star's own weapons against some Imperial targets. And when the opportunity presented itself, it was in fact Death Star tractor beams that pulled the SSD to destruction, destroying the flagship and hitting the DS a serious blow as well.
I disagree. The DS2 had several gravity generators producing at least 1 standard G. So while the external effects wouldn't be as extreme as you get with natural gravity fields, it was probably widespread enough to act as a navigation hazard. And if you have a ship with multiple damaged engines suddenly lose its primary helm and experienced helm officers, there obviously wasn't time for the backup systems to cut in before the fall into the DS2 was unrecoverable.
The Executer was in the middle of a rapid battle maneuver. In the expanded universe it says so and in the movie you can see it dropping as Admiral Akbar orders the attack. IF the ship was pulling a sharp maneuver to avoid damage to its bridge and it suddenly lost control (even temporarily) it could easily crash in to an object as large as the Death Star.
Watch the part where Akbar orders a full attack- the SSD is dropping and trying to get away.
look at 2:30 on the video shown.
offical head cannon: when Executer started taking damage it started to withdraw- when it lost its bridge deflector shields the helms men started to maneuver the ship's bridge away from the MC-80s (scene at 2:43) that were attacking however when the bridge was knocked out the ship lost control before its auxiliary control could correct the mistake. By the time they could take control it was "to late"
Maybe the engines were still engaged in an attempt to stabilize the ship but it was losing that battle to the Death Star's gravity and once the ship was pointing directly at the Death Star, the active main engines ended up just accelerating the ship into the surface which is why it was going that fast when it hit. By the time they cut the engines, they'd already be coasting pretty fast into the "ground" just like a plane heading full throttle toward earth for even 2 seconds and then cutting engines would still be completely screwed without a course correction.
I agree. Also if it had been gravity it wouldn't have pulled nose first. Planes on earth crash nose first because of aerodynamics which isnt a thing here. Gravity should have pulled the whole thing down equally with a list towards the engines since that's probably the heaviest part. So I agree the destruction of the bridge prob caused it to steer out of control into the death star II.
I could swear there was an EU source which said the engines engaged as a result of the destruction of the primary bridge, and by the time the battle bridge commander got them turned off, it was too late to pull up. Of course if it's EU it's also easy to say that IG-88 did it. He had the tech specs of both Executor and DS2, and was in the process of hijacking DS2.
Somewhere in engineering:
"Sir, we've lost contact to the bridge. I think they have been hit!"
"Well, you know what comes next then. The ship goes down with the captain."
"Of course, Sir! Hmm...ahem...wait, Sir, are you sure thats how the saying goes?"
"Just keep your opinions to youself until after I crash this ship!"
imagine: 100k crew members and soldiers died with the ship.
imagine to be there, while the ship was going to crash against the DSII.
imagine that you are a simple technician and you can't do nothing to avoid the crash because the ship is going torward its end.
imagine.
Not too when you become a stormtrooper you sign a contract that you are useless and will die
if you're just some system technician, unless you're looking out a view port you ain't gonna know until you're dead
@@MaxwellAerialPhotography well, I'm actually a sysadmin and... Because of gravity and stuff I would imagine how could be being into a gargantuan ship going full speed without control...
I still think that it's terrifying
No
The Executer actually had a crew of 300k not 100k.
I wish we could see an extended remake/expansion of the Battle of Endor. I'd love to actually see the Mon Cal ships pummeling the SSD as it returns fire, maybe tearing up some Rebel ships as it goes down lasers blazing. The battle really needs a proper effects budget with an entire modern overhaul.
I honestly was certain that the A-Wing didn't "destroy" the Executor, just the bridge, and it was the damage to navigation that caused it to fly off course and into the death star which destroyed it.
That makes way more sense in my eyes
Yeah right, it was out of control, like a drifting boat. Also, there was a drastic shift in the Force to the rebels advantage when the Darth Vader went Jedi and "killed" the Emperor.
Well, that's because that's what "really" happened in the movie before some dipshit decided to over-complicate it..
@@toddb3226 It’s not being over complicated, it’s being explained in a believable and interesting way that agrees with Star Wars lore. It makes no sense for the entire Executor to be disabled and sent into an unrecoverable crash course just from the bridge being destroyed. That’s assuming the A-Wing even managed to take it out which is already a little ridiculous given no context. It was a command center, nothing more. It didn’t house any systems so critical that it would lead directly to the ship’s destruction alone. There were numerous other factors. Not to mention that it was a highly advanced ship manned by the Empire’s best within the Navy. There were backup plans and systems in place for such contingencies. Another command center with additional officers would quickly be assigned control of the ship.
That's what I always assumed from the first time I watched it as a kid. You're literally destroying the area that controls the ship. A plane can't fly without a functional cockpit!
Always forget that the Executor has the same bridge and superstructure as a normal Star Destroyer. I always just assumed it was lower on the top to disguise it and make it harder to hit
Heh well it was probs really because it was getting too expensive to make a entire new bridge so they just slapped the ISD one on and callled it a day
@@davidty2006 Though later model estimates do make the tower a wider one, slightly (289 m vs 275 or less)
The bridge is the same size as an Imperial Star Destroyer to show how the ships are in the same family, it's a standard Kuat Drive Yards feature. But also, to help the viewer to scale the ship in their minds. Having many more lights (windows) helps with this too.
@@davidty2006
Are you familiar with the old-school custom of "kit bashing" that model builders utilized in the 80s? You're probably more right than you realize.
Plot armor: Well of course I know why, it was cause of me
Michael Andrei Palon Lol he’s right tho
A successful suicide attack is almost the exact OPPOSITE of plot armor.
@@Iknowtoomuchable Not plot armor for that guy, but plot armor for the rebels as a whole.
Eck, one thing you forgot to mention though. And this was explained in The Thrawn trilogy.
Thrawn explains to Pellaeon about the Emperor controlling his fleet with his force powers. This is shortly after the first battle that Joruus C'baoth used his force powers to control the minds of the fighter pilots etc. This gave them much greater efficiency.
The Emperor was so distracted with trying to bring Luke to the dark side, that his control slipped, thus allowing the rebels to defeat the Executor.
Thrawn knew this and said as much to Pellaeon, also stating that if he'd been in charge, the battle would have gone much differently.
"Then how do you explain the last minute TIE fighter incompetence?"
I think this was the actual reason that A-wing was able to do what it did.
What do you think?
It's called Battle Meditation and it was a very advanced Force Power. It was a big subplot of Knights of the Old Republic.
I've always hated the idea that Palpatine was literally controlling the minds of an entire fleet. I mean, the idea itself is pretty ludicrous, and it makes the Force seem too overpowered for something that Palpatine could just do casually; but it makes it seem like these guys can't even function as soldiers, pilots, etc. without Palpatine holding their hand.
@@mitchellhayward6492 I actually tend to think that he wasn't controlling their minds directly, that it was more like when they were around him, he was using his Force abilities to make them more focused and efficient. This could also explain the TIE fighter's "incompetence" by explaining that when he died, there was a sudden loss of that focus, which allowed the A-wing to get through.
@@mitchellhayward6492 It wasn't Palpatine. It was Grand Admiral Nial Declann who was keeping the Battle Meditation up.
starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Nial_Declann
And no, they can function just fine without Palpatine/Declann/Joruus C'Baoth holding their hand. The Battle Meditation improves their effectiveness though. The issue was, that the Meditation was just "cut off", basically. Imagine these instances where you feel fit and willing to do everything... and then, the next moment, maybe due to the weather, you're just dead tired.
It's probably kinda like this. The link, and the "buff" was gone, from one moment to the other, causing major disorientation etc.
starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Battle_meditation
The problem with Nial Declann being the battle meditator is that we have incoherent chronologies in Legends. Zahn wrote before Wallace & Peña created Declann, so it's free choice within old canon as to the correct explanation. I prefer Zahn's simply because I like his story style better.
The last part reminded me of this quote, "If a King doesn't lead, how does his subjects expect to follow?"
Code geass ftw :)
Lelouch
One little detail you missed, the Concussion Missiles on the A-Wing are also in the nose.
The nose is also shaped to an edge, so it can probably stab into the ship a little deeper rather than just smashing against the hull
I’m really surprised that the A-Wing was able to hit the bridge and go directly through the front windows. The actual bridge of the star destroyer is a really small part of the overall tower, and to be able to hit that one part while you are spinning and going out of control is really impressive
Another theory: Executor was Vader's flagship. Personally modified, even by himself(like his own armor suit, starfighter, and so on.) What if he had a remote-control device, like a smart key for cars? So, the dying Lord Vader just turning off every system, one-by-one, to help his son and his rebel friends to survive and run before the death star exploded? AKA, "Father's last present"... With this device in his hand, every damage control and even bridge actions are USELESS. And even an SSD with the firepower of 100+ normal ISD are just a sitting duck. (Imagine a short scene about this!)
Huh. It would still make that bloop.bloop sound too?
*Imperial Engineer*
My Lord Vader, we plan on having three separate battle bridges so that in the event of a bridge collision with an asteroid or other object we may retain control of the ship and continue operation.
*Vader*
You will only include one bridge. My power will protect the ship and I will not accept nor tolerate cowardice such as redundant systems.
The Empire is the perfect machine, this weapon is it's embodiment.
I cheer for joy and I always cry at the same time at this scene I cheer because the Executioner is not invincible I cry because of Arvel Crynyd's ultimate sacrifice
The Executor was that close to the death star not out of incompetence, Piett was trying to cover the entrance to the super structure of the Death Star. That is why he orders” Intensify the forward batteries I don’t want anything else to get through” it seems to me that the admiral was using the super star destroyers shields and weapons to protect the entrance.
I agree. His job was to keep more Rebel fighters from getting inside the battle station. Compared to the Death Star his ship is expendable, if it worked trading an SSD for the survival of the Death Star would have been an economical trade.
Let's not forget the initial purpose of the Imperial fleet was to destroy the Rebel Alliance fleet, however once the Death star's shield generator went down the role of the Imperial Fleet dramatically changed. Piett took it upon himself to move his ship close to defend the Death Star. That is why Admiral Ackbar focused fire on to it. Piett did what any good Admiral would have done in that situation.
He took it down because: *AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGHHHHHHHH*
"Piett you fool."
This and the Ewoks really really made me scratch my head. I thought both were ridiculous
I really don't get why this is so controversial/debated. It's like the Hood's sinking to space nerds.
The answer is rather straight forward. For the Hood and Executor.
For the Executor, the bridge's shields were knocked out (spheres), before this could be elevated, a ship rammed it. This disrupted the ship's steering right next to the one manmade/alienmade structure bigger than it. Before a secondary bridge could come online (only a few seconds had passed), it hit the DS2.
It's like if a driver passed out on the highway, and veers the car into a semi before the shotgun riding passenger can grab the wheel.
@Tin Watchman Remember, the Executor's super structure is massive so that one impact wont set the whole thing on fire so maybe only for a few floors as the A wing is just about the same size as a modern fighter jets.
After the destruction of the bridge, the gravity of the Death Star attracted the executor to it
@Tin Watchman I would imagine a ship of this caliber and size would have multiple bridges, and by multiple I mean more than 2. The destruction of the main bridge should also have no effect at all on engines or attitude control. Frankly, if this were based on real life, the Executor would not have gone down.
In real life if a mosquito kamikazied into you, would you fall over? This scene makes no logical sense whatsoever. They needed the command ship to be destroyed.
This is a long time misnomer.
And it being in reference books means nothing since they don't even have the correct sizes for Executor and Home One. Pablo measured the actual physical model against the mini Star Destroyer model built to scale to the Executor and it comes out to 13km. Home One is supposed to be twice the length of a Star Destroyer.
Those are not shield generators but sensor globes, clearly inspired by Naval RADOMES. Check out this page -
www.theforce.net/swtc/towers.html#globes
Ackbar orders a bombardment which overloads the shields. The sensor globe is destroyed to indicate the shields have fallen. Also it would make no sense to place shield generators externally a ship on such exposed devices that could be easily destroyed. And why would the shield generators themselves not be shielded?
Also I am glad that Eckhart got this right.
But your basic idea is correct I think. No control of the ship. Also there are GIANT FLAMES coming out of the engines that a lot of people seemed to miss, that Eckhart pointed out here as well, so clearly they were damaged too.
I feel like you did an excellent job at explaining how the executor went down. The only question I have is wouldn’t such a large “arrowhead” shaped ship do significantly more damage to the Death Star?
Yooo I appreciate all the content you’ve made on this channel man, The halo vs Star Wars matchups are awesome, And the music you use gives off a cool space vibe
I have also been amused how a small ship took down a Super Star Destroyer in one hit.
Its nice to see you made a video about it.
“Brave”
I thought it was a happy accident
He kinda had to be brave to be there in the first place.
Finally an explanation on the A-Wing kamikaze
I’m a star trek fan but your video’s about star wars help me understand star wars better + i laughed my head of with your little funny vid of your dog and the music at the end of video...love the tune, always play it loud in the car 🖖🏻
Good point that you made *indirectly* which is there is a lot going on in that battle and there had to be some selection of what to show and explain the rest outside of the movie.
I remember reading in The New Essential Guide to Vehicles and Vessels that the A-Wing's fuel system, combined with its wedge-shaped design, allowed it to cause tremendous damage when it collides with another ship. The crippled Executor's crew was unable to get to the auxiliary controls in time to prevent it from augering into the second Death Star and the Executor was subsequently destroyed on impact and there was tremendous damage done to the second Death Star's hull as a result of this. So, it was more or less the design of the A-Wing that destroyed the Executor.
It's still a kind of dumb explanation. Why wouldn't you just build a bunch of remote A-Wings and aim them at capital ships? I appreciate the effort to explain away what was nothing more than a "cool effects shot", but in the end it was nothing but a cool effects shot. Star Wars never makes any sense when you think too hard about it and it's not supposed to. The original trilogy was nothing more than a Flash Gordon rip off, albeit an awesome one at that. Making these convoluted excuses for the films only puts a magnifying glass on the plot holes.
@@avenuePad reminds me of a certain hyperspace jump
@Matthew Caughey i wrote in a reply above that the helmsman was in the middle of a battle maneuver to take the bridge out of the line if fire when he was killed. if you loose control at the wrong time even temporarily it is beyond the control of an auxiliary crew to do anything to correct the mistake. When your as big as an SSD and heading strait at something as big as the Death Star you are not going to be able to re take control.
As for the A-wings "fuel bomb" thing its not like an unshielded bridge needs that to destroy it even blasters should be able to break through the bridge and kill the crew.
@@avenuePad aren't remote A-Wings aimed at capital ships the exact same thing as missiles?
The issue being ignored here is simple.
we are told through dialogue the entire trilogy, that Star Destroyers are fearsome weapons, a single Star Destroyer is enough to cause panic, a FLEET of them headed by the Executor, is akin to the entire US Navy's 6th fleet.
"We won't last long against those star destroyers" says Lando, again voicing the fear, and intimidation of the ships.
Yet, when the vastly outnumbered rebel fleet do engage the superior Imperial fleet, with a few of their capital ships knocked out by the Death Stra...they, umm, win...easily...we see the rebel fleet mostly intact after the Death Star explodes...
So I don't much care for hand waving bullcrap trying to explain how the VASTLY outgunned out manoeuvred, and outplayed rebels who fell right into the Imperial trap defeated the largest and most powerful(by far!) Imperial ship whilst simultaneously escaping virtually unscathed.
Even if the Death Star was destroyed, the massive Imperial fleet should have destroyed the rebels utterly.
Why do people think concentrating firepower is some brilliant strategy, its OBVIOUS that's what you do, and exactly what the Imperial Navy would have been doing as soon as the Emporer's surprise Death Star shot destroyed a capital ship...
Sorry, the whole battle iws utter bollocks.
The Empire ruled mostly by fear, so I think this can be partially explained by the fact that Imperial military assets (especially TIE Fighters and any superweapons) are intimidating and have good firepower, but other than that are absolute shit (i.e. no survivability)
Much like the fearsome storm.troopers who can't hit anything, Imperial ships are vastly overrated.
The Empire was like the Soviet Union. They claimed every weapon was unbeatable but in reality they were more roar than lion
The rebels could've easily been receiving reinforcements throughout the battle, particularly of the rebel ships we DONT see (Captured CIS ships, augmented civilian ships, other fleets that didn't make it to the rendezvous). It's actually a pretty simple explanation... also the Empire doesn't know what point defence is, the Star Destroyers weren't utilised as well as they could be and command kinda collapsed after the Executor was destroyed
Ty honestly I think Lucas belief was that the Emperor ruled by fear and once he died the entire Star Fleet simply lost the motivation to fight. This would mean that they really didn’t believe in the Empires Purpose and knew they were fighting for the wrong side.
It’s either that or the entire premise that the rebellion won at that point is badly flawed
Watching a bit of eckhart with a nice drink and getting comfy is one of the nicest escapes from the real world
Great video Eck. I like you pointing out the lost talent, its highly under looked
Me: *I guess he got lucky*
Eck: *Everything was coordinated to perfection*
The Rebels: A great sacrifice!
The Pilot: It was not by choice
I noticed you used FMVs from one of my favorite PC games: X-Wing Alliance!
Nice touch! 👌
I feel sorry for crew of the Executor. Sure the Empire was evil and they died doing their duty but still though it must have been a tough work environment. I can only imagine what it was like for the maintenance crew to keep her running.
"I go now to lead brave men and women into what will be, for many of them, death. They go willingly, out of devotion to a state which unfortunately is not worthy of it. But, as someone once said, it is the quality of the passion that matters, not its object." -Admiral Ivan Antonov, Terran Federation Navy (Starfire Series Novels)
ish. I f I worked for a company that had a 'death star' and employed 'death troopers' I'd start working on my CV :)
The other hazard for the bridge crew was that they could be force choked to death by Darth Vader for even minor screw ups.
" Do a barrel roll"!
“Piett, you fool. Get me Inferno Squad!”
TLDR: Admiral Piett was smooth brained
Am I the only one who thinks it’s strange to see the early 80’s explosion animation?
Hey #AskEck,I’m making a head-cannon story and I want to know how long an Imperial Army Garrison would stay on Hoth to make sure all crashed GR-75s and their crew were pacified?
I really enjoy your vids thanks! Was always wondering about that super star destroyer and what might have happened
I watched the return of the Jedi on vhs so many times as a child and seeing this scene with A-wing crashing into the cockpit will forever be nostalgic
You know that always struck me as funny, because I figured with this ship as large as the Super Star Destroyer it would have more than one Bridge. There would be an auxiliary control room somewhere. Did not the Empire build any redundancies and ship control for such a powerful capital ship?
@Naziah Morris can you translate that into Basic?
I'd chalked the lack of secondary command center to the same sort of design philosophy that had the majority of the bridge crew working in five-foot deep pits, and did not provide seating for the senior officers.
#AskEck
**Faction Versus Battle**
The Terran Dominion [Starcraft] vs the Covenant [Halo].
I think the Covenant would win because they have a much larger fleet, but if the fleet sizes are equalized then I think the Terran Dominion would win
Sounds like Piett gambled big, and lost. Happens in real-world warfare too, there's examples of major vessels going down from extremely lucky strikes, back in WW2.
As a kid I almost ruined our VHS tape of the 1990 release of Return of the Jedi, replaying this scene over and over with my Micro Machines A-Wing fighter in hand, pretending I was flying my toy ship alongside the Rebels. This scene alone cemented my love of the A-Wing fighter, and I genuinely can't wait to hop in the cockpit of one with a VR headset in Squadrons!
Could we get an explanation of why Luke blinked in that one scene.
My theory has always been that Palpatine, using the force, gotta 'lil dust in his eye.
The real reason for the Executor tragedy?: Not enough lifeboats. :(
As a kid I wondered why a ship like that was in the front lines instead of firing from the back. I knew it more than the bridge being destroyed as I watched the original trilogy back the day. I did not think about the gravitational pull on a death star. Good video keep up the good work! It seems like the art of war, and a game of chess was lost in a galaxy far far away.
I've been watching a lot of your vs series and I just watched "could the forerunners take on a fully united star wars universe." As I was watching it hit me on how powerful the forerunners really were. Generally the Imperium always wins these scenarios because its such a crazy galaxy but I was wondering if you ever did a WH40K Imperium VS The Forerunners vid. Considering how crazy strong both factions are I think that itd be a really interesting one!
I’ve been waiting for this video all my life
Yeah, basically what I’ve always thought. Ackbar’s orders to focus all firepower on the command ship combined with the fact that it was so close to the mass of the Death Star, gravity took over and they couldn’t recover control from an auxiliary bridge before they collided. Star Trek fanboys that cite Executor’s destruction by a single fighter as evidence of weakness on the part of SW designs don’t have a clue.
That's pretty much what happened he orders all fighters to attack the super star destroyer taken enough hits the bridge shield gets destroyed that's the command center with all the controls ackbar is skiled tactician but than gets blown up in the last Jedi that pissed me off ackbar is smarter than that
Nathan Skywalker dude, it was two years ago. let it go. Wasn’t even talking about TLJ.
That scene always made me sad since it is my favorite ship, nice to see a full depth explanation
Thank you for this video, i’ve bene wondering this for SOooo long
Still makes more sense than the Holdo Manuever
So, in short. The force was with the Rebellion.
And more importantly, the Plot and the Script.
The force of gravity
@@VulpisFoxfire bruh lmao
I don't even like Star Wars that much but your voice rather calming and certainly not offensive i love these vids for falling asleep.
I've heard it said that the secondary bridges and command centers of the Executor would have been able to take over, but Piett deactivated them explicitly because he was terrified of failing Vader by giving any control to his subordinates and wanted direct control over every aspect of the ship from the main bridge, so when it was destroyed, the ship was basically an unguided hunk of metal.
Last time I was this early my Grandma was alive. Anyways, love the vids and keep up the great work!
Rip to your Grandma
Did she fly the A-Wing?
@@yourstruly4817 lol, no. She WAS the A-wing
It probably didnt help that that in Ep. 5 Vader took it though an asteroid feild, likely causing long term damage.
That was a year before the battle of Endor, by that point the ship had already been reserviced multiple times at Kuat Drive Yards and Fondor's shipyards. Additionally, the Executor's particle shielding was never breached during the chase through the asteroid field, so it never actually took damage.
Only the ISD 2 _Inexorable_ was actually damage during the protracted chase, losing it's bridge tower to a skyscraper sized asteroid that was missed on approach.
Asteroids are no concern to me I want that ship no excuses
Love the rogue squadron footage. So many memories.
I always loved how Admiral Ackbar first looks happy and then relieved!
#AskEck
*Attempt 831*
Can you do the Forerunners vs the Imperium of Man faction versus video soon please?
#askeck which type of deflector shielding is a more effective form of protection: a bubble-like field that’s constantly active or when the hull is struck, sensors in the armor trigger nearby generators that trigger a transient energy field localized in the area?
Video suggestion/request:
X-83 Twintail vs. Tie Defender (Legends)
Seeing as the hit has already occurred by the time the sensor triggers, the second one is useless.
That was insane for what that A-Wing pilot done to that Super Star Destroyer back on Star Wars Return Of The Jedi movie 40 years ago because I remember watching that scene in which someone crashed into it , Sending it into The Death Star catching fire & all .
It’s the common theme throughout Star Wars. Small vulnerabilities being exploited - two metre thermal exhaust ports, a star destroyer that had lost its deflectors leaving the bridge exposed….
I have a small question, How far can the deathstar shoot?
In legends, it's stated to have a 6 lightsecond range, if I remember correctly.
Almost 1.8 million kilometers or for the Americans 1.1 million miles
@@vexile12 does the laser just fizzle out after travelling that distance?
@@wearsjorge55 Possibly... we don't really know.
I suppose that the laser rapidly loses cohesion beyond the given range like any real laser would. In this case, it means that the superlaser would still cause a tremendous amount of damage, but spread out over an increasingly greater area as you go further and further beyond the maximum usable range until at some point it just doesn't have enough energy per unit area to do anything meaningful to what it hits.
wearsjorge55 well it would obviously have to
So she lost the bridge and one out of 13 engines. That still doesn't explain the sudden pitch downwards. The only thing I can come up with is the helmsman slumped over his controls at the last second, causing the final input to be held after the link between the bridge and engine assembly was severed
Actually if we go based on legends materials it makes a lot more sense, the executor right about before the the bridge was taken out had taken severe damage from the rebel capital ships, one of the main hangers was engulfed in flames from an attack by the millennium falcon, and heavy attacks from a wing of B-wings has set majority of her stern ablaze and she had begun listing hard to starboard, the when the A-wing hit the bridge it fuel caused a chain reaction which resulted in the middle section of the star destroyers power stations to be wiped out sending her full into a right turn dive, by that point it, the damage was so extensive that damage control couldn't regain control in the auxiliary command, which means there is no longer and flight controls keeping them up and subsequently pulled in by the death star's gravity wells
Well the a wing seems to have through the window before exploding so maybe the force of it threw the controls forward before the linkage broke?
This is my theory as well. When the bridge windows blew out, and since shields were totally down, it would have cause an explosive decompression, and since no one wore seat belts, they would have all been sucked out, and the pilot, on his way out may have hit the controls, pitching the shit over. and accelerating it at the same time. Follow flight controls on a plane, full throttle is forward, pitch down is also forward, hit both on the way out, pitch down, full throttle at the same time. and BOOM.
This will always be the BEST Star Wars channel
This is why blah blah blah:
Me: *home depo theme plays*
So the real enemy of ssds is gravity
What's worse is Battlefront actively shows an SSD taking off from a planetary surface, so i'm gonna say the engines went haywire
Imagine how overpowered this suicide run would be if it was possible in squadrons
I'd be curious on how Grand Admiral Thrawn would have handled the events of "A New Hope", "The Empire Strikes Back", and "The Return of The Jedi", if he was commanding the Empire's forces in each event.
I doubt he could have done much better then the empire did in a new hope and empire strikes back since they were generally well on top in both of those moves and only lost the first death star due to a force guided missile that he could never have accounted for.
Return of the Jedi I reckon he would significantly change strategies, probably building a dummy death star to lure the rebels in and attack them all out with the rest of the imperial fleet while they wasted resources trying to kill a non existent threat.
@@TyrannosaurusCHEX ...Excellent points. I can only add that, his fleet would have been in perfect range at Hoth, to trap the rebels. Your point about the first death star is perfect. And his battle line at Endor would not have failed, he would have a clear line of command. Even should he die.
Excelent video as always!
wHy DiDn’T tHeY jUsT dO tHaT aLl ThE tImE???
"Guys, why are you welding my cockpit shut? And why does my starfighter only have enough fuel for a one way trip? Guys?"
If only droids could fly...
Super Tactical Droid I think he was joking, to point out the fact that droids can fly, and that William Magoffin’s comment was inaccurate, due to the fact that pilots wouldn’t be forced to suicide run if Droids could just do it
@I don’t like sand Talk to The Japanese Air Force, they specialise in it.
Didn't a vulture droid try and do the same thing against a venator over Ryloth?
The Thrawn Trilogy of books did a good job of explaining that the Emperor and Darth Vader had Force -Control over the minds of all of their troops through the dark-side influence, unbeknownst to the crews... They lost both Vader and the Emperor's Force influence at the same time, and the books explain that without that Darkside Guidance, without the Force keeping them working together as a unit - the crews on the ships were like lost children all of a sudden, and just fell apart. That was another reason the Rebels were able to overwhelm a still superior force... they should have made those books into the sequels... >mic drop
Very nice analysis... thank you.
I remember reading from somewhere many many moons ago. That He had moved the executor close to the DS and when the Bridge went out they were in the middle of a course correction and none of the other command centers on the ship could override the final command of the main navigation terminal.