Best friend and I did a study back in the early 80’s, nerds that we were(are), to find the most hospitable place post-apocalypse. This included all the places expected to be hit, how many warheads per target, and all the potential fallout patterns. The map in the video is only one of many potential weather projections, and are dependent on time of year, El Niño or el Nina, and so on. Within the areas that were relatively free from impact we also mapped places with deep ground water wells, power/heat generation options, crops/livestock, foraging options, the stability and adaptability of the people, medical care, potential impact/threat of migrating populations, and other issue that would benefit or damage a communities potential to be relatively self-sufficient and provide some measure of security and stability. But you know, East-central Oregon was still the best option, with Burns, John Day, and Princeton being at the top. But also potentially the Redmond Bend area, though it’s not nearly as well rounded. And they had much higher risk of large numbers of migrating groups from the impacted populations centers and those wanting to escape the desperation, madness, and deprivation that would be sure to be occurring everywhere along the Route 5 and 110, and also groups leaving route 84 and heading south. Bend would look rather nice and it’d be only a 3-5 day hike from Seattle, Portland, Yakima, and the entire coast. It was an interesting exercise and a hell of a lot of fun, and I still have the massive wall map and overlays we made. 😊
Depends on the bomb the US doesn't use hydrogen bombs anymore so fallout is a non factor. Fission bombs are the most up to date and they are far cleaner than hydrogen bombs. Any country still using hydrogen bombs likely (optimistically) you'd expect the US to intercept with ease.
No. Not even close. The US primarily uses Hydrogen Bombs and H-Bombs can be much cleaner, depending on design, than Atom Bombs, relatively speaking. For instance, the Neutron Bomb is a H-Bomb without the third stage U-238 jacket to convert the Neutron radiation from the Fusion Stage into blast effect. The idea was to irradiate and kill Soviet Tank crews without blowing the crap out of the German countryside. Although the Neutron Bomb was originally designed as an anti-ballistic missile warhead that would disable the warheads of incoming ICBMs. On the whole, they were cancelled for basically political, rather than technical reasons. They were considered the "cleanest" nuclear weapons. I wouldn't count on Texas or Oregon getting off fallout free. Any military base and major airport would collect at least one nuke, along with each state capital and major university. The Russians have more nukes and missiles than we do. They will have plenty to spare.
@@wethepeoplearepidoff1776that’s a big maybe considering the three major flashpoints are currently boiling over and we have plans for war with China in 2025
So this map isnt showing nuclear fallout. Its showing nuclear fallout SPECIFICALLY if the bombs were dropped in certain places. So, its nonsense in other words.
@@elliebeck-ss4rbwell they wouldn’t drop them in the middle of nowhere numb nuts. Military bases and city’s are their target making the east coast FUCKED. It isn’t hard to predict what is a target and what isn’t
This is most likely where the bombs would drop because if nuclear war starts counties are obviously gonna target bigger cities, just like the US did with Hiroshima and Nagasaki
Speaking of fallout, there's still technically contamination on the mountains of the UK, where the clouds carrying radioactive material from Chernobyl hit rain banks and dropped on the soil. It was only maybe a decade ago that they removed the restrictions on the movement of lambs in the Welsh mountains and the radioactive monitoring checks that went along with it to make sure the meat was safe.
All of this depends on where the bomb is dropped. This will look different if the enemy decides to bomb the largest sea ports in America, which makes strategic sense. Oregon and Texas won't stand a chance.
This is a singular map made during the Cold War (I think from the 50's specifically) assuming there'd be X many nukes hitting Y targets, and plotting where fallout would go from those assumptions. The thing is, population patterns have changed, strategic targets have been updated, and just as a bottom line, there's no way the west coast would get off quite so easily.
Doesn’t matter even if you live in oregon like me….. nuclear winter will take the people who make it past the fallout or initial blast, unless you are prepared to live through a very long, intense, winter without power.
This map assumes that these nukes will be ground strikes. Most nuclear militaries only use ground strikes for hardened targets. So places like Colorado, Montana, Wyoming and the area around DC will get a lot of ground strikes to target the areas underground. Most of the rest of the country would have air detonations. Air detonations after the initial radiation release leaves almost no radiation. But the area with ground strikes and those areas down wind are no go permanently. Think of the Chernobyl exclusion zone, but 100 times hotter.
@@Caligulashorse1453We know how to hunt and fish in Oregon and we have good, fertile soil for agriculture. We may have no substantial informational infrastructure but we’ll survive.
I live in east java, Indonesia. And when the 2010 Merapi Eruption occurred (the greatest in the 21st and 20th century) the ashes reached my house, and during the 2018 Krakatoa Eruption i could see how much Ashes was released since i was crossing the Sunda strait. I imagine it'd be similar to that in a nuclear fallout except it's radioactive
Radiation doesn't "go away completely" after two weeks. It just decays to half the original value after a fixed time per isotope. Some take longer, and if you got hit with lots of fallout, It will take longer to decay to safe levels. 2 weeks is just a guess based on practicality- after all, sooner or later your food is gone and your toilet bucket is full.
Why would you want to survive a nuclear war after? It would be every man for themselves and either you have a bunker that you would need to defend against militants or you would be starving with nowhere to get food. I'd rather die in the blast any day of the week
The Oregon Air National Guard flies out of the Portland "PDX" International Airport. They provide primary F-15 Air Interceptor coverage for the Pacific Northwest. So there should be more than a few nukes tasked on them. Plus, both Nike and Intel have large corporate jet fleets flying out of the Hillsboro Airport West of Portland. On a side note, Intel basically has its own airline flying regularly scheduled flights between all of its plants. They will fly any employee with manager approval to any of their fabs on the West Coast. Almost nobody flies commercial on the company dime, unless it's international. So, if the Air National Guard won't attract nukes, Intel or Nike will.
Ya until the bombs land somewhere like goose creek sc that was number 3 on russias nuclear strike list on the cold war. Which on this map I untouched. You need to do more research
So fun fact some years back when they finally got around to checking after decades they realized many nuclear stockpiles were in terrible disrepair and there were doubts about them even working. Government incompetence at its absolute best. 😂🎉
You obviously dont understand wind and air pollution. There wouldn't be safe pockets...don't try to minimize and normalize what would be nothing less than hell.
I hate to break it to you, but US ballistic missile defenses aren't designed to be used to prevent a large-scale attack from Russia or China. They *might* be somewhat effective against an attack by North Korea. Assuming they actually work, which is debatable.
@jeffreygunn3530 It seems to be pretty effective against Russia in Ukraine. I was also referring to an attack that would actually happen. What few missiles they could get off. The US missile defense system is more than cable of handling. Which would probably come from China. Plus, neither China nor Russia has the political and / or military power to back up an attack like that. Assuming Russia could get the attack off the ground and China could handle the reprictions from Nato. Add nobody's worried about North Korea. Their missiles can barely make it into South Korea. If Russia or China tried to send any other missiles to North Korea, it would trigger a response by Nato. This is all hypothetical. Because an attack on the US like that would be a planet wide steroisation level event. Nothing would be left living. That's actually the truly terrifying thing about that map.
Our defense systems have never been proven to work in a real world situation and has performed poorly on tests. Even a newbie like North Korea will overwhelm our capabilities and drop nukkes on us. People need to stop believing in patriotic hype and be more realistic, our mic and government lies to us to not scare us
Oregon be like. What fallout?
Oregon's Fallout isn't nuclear related
i live in Sacramento :(
@@mosephstalin625
It's Caucasians lol
-COMANCHE NATION
The gene pool in oregon would improve
-COMANCHE NATION
Best friend and I did a study back in the early 80’s, nerds that we were(are), to find the most hospitable place post-apocalypse.
This included all the places expected to be hit, how many warheads per target, and all the potential fallout patterns.
The map in the video is only one of many potential weather projections, and are dependent on time of year, El Niño or el Nina, and so on.
Within the areas that were relatively free from impact we also mapped places with deep ground water wells, power/heat generation options, crops/livestock, foraging options, the stability and adaptability of the people, medical care, potential impact/threat of migrating populations, and other issue that would benefit or damage a communities potential to be relatively self-sufficient and provide some measure of security and stability.
But you know, East-central Oregon was still the best option, with Burns, John Day, and Princeton being at the top.
But also potentially the Redmond Bend area, though it’s not nearly as well rounded. And they had much higher risk of large numbers of migrating groups from the impacted populations centers and those wanting to escape the desperation, madness, and deprivation that would be sure to be occurring everywhere along the Route 5 and 110, and also groups leaving route 84 and heading south. Bend would look rather nice and it’d be only a 3-5 day hike from Seattle, Portland, Yakima, and the entire coast.
It was an interesting exercise and a hell of a lot of fun, and I still have the massive wall map and overlays we made. 😊
Leaves Texans and Oregonians...there's not gonna be shit getting done or agreed on
I’ve lived in both Oregon and West Texas. Can confirm.
i live in Sacramento :(@@michelleb7399
That part of Texas, that is safe, is literally just a desert 😂
The Caucasians in oregon would keep sleeping with their sisters
-COMANCHE NATION
And this is different how?
This is pretty scary and all, but not as bad as pronouncing it as "nucular" instead of "nuclear"
I mean .....Nuc-lear tomato potato accents are a thing too
Me in PA living right next to a strip where there would be no fallout:
No such thing as nucular
Everything will be ok
i live in Sacramento :(
Bush Jr disagrees😅
I don't think you get what he's saying lol, there is no such thing as "nucular", but maybe nuclear. @@curtisthomas2670
Of course there is it’s Nuc-Lear easy as that
Dude it's pronounced "new-clear" not "new-kew-lurr".
new-que-ler
They say "new-killer" 😂
i live in Sacramento :(
@@GOJOSATORUWILLIVEgfy
Cut the BS it’s also Nuc-Lear too
Ever been hundreds of miles from a forest fire but covered in smoke?
i live in Sacramento :(
@@GOJOSATORUWILLIVE It'll be quick. It's better than living in California after the bombs, anyway.
Yeah this whole summer and not hundreds of miles thousands.
Depends on the bomb the US doesn't use hydrogen bombs anymore so fallout is a non factor. Fission bombs are the most up to date and they are far cleaner than hydrogen bombs. Any country still using hydrogen bombs likely (optimistically) you'd expect the US to intercept with ease.
No. Not even close. The US primarily uses Hydrogen Bombs and H-Bombs can be much cleaner, depending on design, than Atom Bombs, relatively speaking. For instance, the Neutron Bomb is a H-Bomb without the third stage U-238 jacket to convert the Neutron radiation from the Fusion Stage into blast effect. The idea was to irradiate and kill Soviet Tank crews without blowing the crap out of the German countryside. Although the Neutron Bomb was originally designed as an anti-ballistic missile warhead that would disable the warheads of incoming ICBMs. On the whole, they were cancelled for basically political, rather than technical reasons. They were considered the "cleanest" nuclear weapons. I wouldn't count on Texas or Oregon getting off fallout free. Any military base and major airport would collect at least one nuke, along with each state capital and major university. The Russians have more nukes and missiles than we do. They will have plenty to spare.
we are not going to be hit by us nukes tho
@@wethepeoplearepidoff1776that’s a big maybe considering the three major flashpoints are currently boiling over and we have plans for war with China in 2025
@@wethepeoplearepidoff1776Although sometimes I wonder. 😂
You got i backwards mate. Fission bombs are the kind that were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, H-Bombs or Fussion Bombs are Cold War
So this map isnt showing nuclear fallout. Its showing nuclear fallout SPECIFICALLY if the bombs were dropped in certain places.
So, its nonsense in other words.
i live in Sacramento :(
But they would drop it in specific spaces though??
@@pissedoffnationwe don’t know where plus wind would make this highly variable
@@elliebeck-ss4rbwell they wouldn’t drop them in the middle of nowhere numb nuts. Military bases and city’s are their target making the east coast FUCKED. It isn’t hard to predict what is a target and what isn’t
This is most likely where the bombs would drop because if nuclear war starts counties are obviously gonna target bigger cities, just like the US did with Hiroshima and Nagasaki
This map forgets one thing: other countries are smart too, and big cities don’t have defence. Minot and Omaha are first to go.
Remember, depending on the highs and lows on the day/week of the fallout, this map can alter severely
VA Over here, hope I get to be a super mutant.
i live in Sacramento :(
Sadly radiation won't do that, you'll probably become a ghoul instead
Looks more like a 5 year old smeared ketchup on a placemat at the diner lol.
Hundreds of nukes dropped on LA? Maybe one or two, but not 100s. Doubtful if 100 would actually be used.
‘Hundreds’ of bombs on LA is a bit dramatic.
Yeah 3 seems like overkill to me
i live in Sacramento :(
Dramatic or wishful thinking?
There's only one 'U' in nUclear. Say it wrong and smart people tune out completely.
I think people are more turn off by the map than the way he says nuclear
Oregon is the most clean state on the fall out map wow
Portland already has Zombies walking around, so we get a pass
Speaking of fallout, there's still technically contamination on the mountains of the UK, where the clouds carrying radioactive material from Chernobyl hit rain banks and dropped on the soil. It was only maybe a decade ago that they removed the restrictions on the movement of lambs in the Welsh mountains and the radioactive monitoring checks that went along with it to make sure the meat was safe.
Not me in Alaska 🌚
I'd be alright with fallout, also is there a map for Germany?
All of this depends on where the bomb is dropped. This will look different if the enemy decides to bomb the largest sea ports in America, which makes strategic sense. Oregon and Texas won't stand a chance.
i live in Sacramento :(
@@GOJOSATORUWILLIVEok? please stop spamming in the comment sections. We know you're a scared 6yo.
Glad to know the entirety of the state i live in would be 100% fucked by fallout 😂
Data of the map aside, this map gave all of the lake of the woods to Minnesota, not just the Northwest Angle
Modern nukes do not have radiation like a hydrogen bomb. They are more explosive.
This is a singular map made during the Cold War (I think from the 50's specifically) assuming there'd be X many nukes hitting Y targets, and plotting where fallout would go from those assumptions. The thing is, population patterns have changed, strategic targets have been updated, and just as a bottom line, there's no way the west coast would get off quite so easily.
i live in Sacramento :(
Doesn’t matter even if you live in oregon like me….. nuclear winter will take the people who make it past the fallout or initial blast, unless you are prepared to live through a very long, intense, winter without power.
This map assumes that these nukes will be ground strikes. Most nuclear militaries only use ground strikes for hardened targets. So places like Colorado, Montana, Wyoming and the area around DC will get a lot of ground strikes to target the areas underground.
Most of the rest of the country would have air detonations. Air detonations after the initial radiation release leaves almost no radiation.
But the area with ground strikes and those areas down wind are no go permanently. Think of the Chernobyl exclusion zone, but 100 times hotter.
I think Oregon didn’t get nuclear bombed because I heard we don’t have a military here
Better hope there isn't a crazy storm rolling through. Everybody's gonna get a taste
Nothing says expert on nuclear fallout like someone who pronounces it nuc-u-lur
Nuc-lear ...... lastly accents exist
I don’t think that’s how winds work: it ain’t just brush strokes
So does this mean we should all move to organ
It’s scary to think if there was a nuclear war I would be absolutely dead, because I live 3 miles from Fort Knox
Bruh in Oklahoma we are fucked the wind is going to bury us.
Well boys, I'm moving to oregon
Wouldn't look anything like this anymore tho, this thing is old, winds have shifted a lot in the last 20 years
Why is the Mexican border such a popular nuke-u-ler target?
Are you sure about this? Prevailing winds change based on the time of the year.
I don't have to worry about fallout. I live in that dark red area way at the upper left. In a nuke war I will be ionized gas by about 30 minutes.
Never been so glad I live in Oregon…
You WANNA survive that shit? Good luck 😂😂😂
Great you survived the nuclear fallout… but your in Oregon
@@Caligulashorse1453 yep no repopulation there they’re all misgendered
@@Caligulashorse1453We know how to hunt and fish in Oregon and we have good, fertile soil for agriculture. We may have no substantial informational infrastructure but we’ll survive.
@@michelleb7399 literally returning to caveman
I live in east java, Indonesia. And when the 2010 Merapi Eruption occurred (the greatest in the 21st and 20th century) the ashes reached my house, and during the 2018 Krakatoa Eruption i could see how much Ashes was released since i was crossing the Sunda strait. I imagine it'd be similar to that in a nuclear fallout except it's radioactive
Nuclear, not nucular.
It's nucular. Bush Jr said so 😅
Naw it’s Nuc-lear
This is why Oregon is the best state (I live there)
i live in Sacramento :(
Im curious why West Virginia is so covered.
Radiation doesn't "go away completely" after two weeks.
It just decays to half the original value after a fixed time per isotope. Some take longer, and if you got hit with lots of fallout, It will take longer to decay to safe levels.
2 weeks is just a guess based on practicality- after all, sooner or later your food is gone and your toilet bucket is full.
i live in Sacramento :(
you already need a shelter in Oregon tho antifa has ruined the state
what even lmao and i thought right wingers werent scared of the them as you have more guns lol
Bro live in Oregon
I live in that same strip of Gerogia… nice
Why would you want to survive a nuclear war after? It would be every man for themselves and either you have a bunker that you would need to defend against militants or you would be starving with nowhere to get food. I'd rather die in the blast any day of the week
Before I moved to Oregon, on this particular map where is ground zero? If somebody has hundreds of weapons I’d assume they have a few for Oregon?
The Oregon Air National Guard flies out of the Portland "PDX" International Airport. They provide primary F-15 Air Interceptor coverage for the Pacific Northwest. So there should be more than a few nukes tasked on them. Plus, both Nike and Intel have large corporate jet fleets flying out of the Hillsboro Airport West of Portland. On a side note, Intel basically has its own airline flying regularly scheduled flights between all of its plants. They will fly any employee with manager approval to any of their fabs on the West Coast. Almost nobody flies commercial on the company dime, unless it's international.
So, if the Air National Guard won't attract nukes, Intel or Nike will.
Oregon Trail: Nuclear Edition
Man I never realized how bad it would be in Iowa where I live
i live in Sacramento :(
What if the nuke drops in oregon?
Oregon
“That’s the numbers they’ll be dropping”. Acting like he knows.
i live in Sacramento :(
Oregon... Wow.
Ya until the bombs land somewhere like goose creek sc that was number 3 on russias nuclear strike list on the cold war. Which on this map I untouched. You need to do more research
Ohio: f#ck hide outs
As someone that lives in Oregon, I see this as an win.
i live in Sacramento :(
wait what i miss? who tf was droppin hundreds of nukes on ppl?😂😂
So fun fact some years back when they finally got around to checking after decades they realized many nuclear stockpiles were in terrible disrepair and there were doubts about them even working. Government incompetence at its absolute best. 😂🎉
i live in Sacramento :(
Is russia still using the old maps? if so than Oregonian cities that were not worth it back than may be nuked
You obviously dont understand wind and air pollution. There wouldn't be safe pockets...don't try to minimize and normalize what would be nothing less than hell.
Glad I live in Mississippi
My state is ficking insane
Extremely Common Oregon W
Wind normally comes from the north west in the medwest. This map makes 0 sense.
Oregon, Alaska : 🗿
Oregon, it’s a lost cause anyway and it gets a pass.
Im safe kinda in my part of Tennessee then.
I would be completely safe
BOYS LETS MOVE TO OREGON
Wow oregon gets no air
"Nuke Ya Ler", really?
Nuc-lear accents and tomato potato
H Town Houston Texas 💪🙏
"Nukular"
Western Minnesota let’s go 🎉 who’s boring now???
They aren’t gonna nuke LA 😂 They will nuke Washington dude 😂
Oregon seems interesting now
i live in Sacramentoi live in Sacramento :( :(
Oh wow I need to move away from Pennsylvania altogether….Oregon here I come
Where is your neck?
Me in rural Maine what’s going on
Sweet! I live in a white spot.
Central Texas is safe. Screw y'all. 😅
Alaska, Hawaii: 🗿
i live in Sacramento :(
Moving to Oregon
Y’all people too consumed in this and not enough in Jesus.
Yeah because this guy knows😂
Oregon on top🥶🥶except hermiston and umatilla
New clear, not New Cue Ler
That's only if they can get their missiles passed The US defenses.
I hate to break it to you, but US ballistic missile defenses aren't designed to be used to prevent a large-scale attack from Russia or China. They *might* be somewhat effective against an attack by North Korea. Assuming they actually work, which is debatable.
@jeffreygunn3530 It seems to be pretty effective against Russia in Ukraine. I was also referring to an attack that would actually happen. What few missiles they could get off. The US missile defense system is more than cable of handling. Which would probably come from China. Plus, neither China nor Russia has the political and / or military power to back up an attack like that. Assuming Russia could get the attack off the ground and China could handle the reprictions from Nato. Add nobody's worried about North Korea. Their missiles can barely make it into South Korea. If Russia or China tried to send any other missiles to North Korea, it would trigger a response by Nato. This is all hypothetical. Because an attack on the US like that would be a planet wide steroisation level event. Nothing would be left living. That's actually the truly terrifying thing about that map.
Our defense systems have never been proven to work in a real world situation and has performed poorly on tests. Even a newbie like North Korea will overwhelm our capabilities and drop nukkes on us.
People need to stop believing in patriotic hype and be more realistic, our mic and government lies to us to not scare us
Damn... I'm done
New Clear
Why hit nogales? There's nothing special there..
Fort Huachuca is nearby, which is a major base for the Army Signal Corps and Military Intelligence and other spooks.
Nukielyer?
I’m safe
Big sur is safe.👍😎
there is no such word as nucyaler
I’m good by “” this much