The Most Popular White Paint Color has CHANGED!
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- čas přidán 8. 07. 2022
- Benjamin Moore's OC-65 Chantilly Lace is one the company's most popular white paint colors, mainly because it's the brightest. What if I told you, that it's not as bright?!
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Does this mean that if we have the older version and we buy the new version for a touch up, they are going to look different?! 😱
So glad you did this video! I thought I was loosing it. I've used Simply White before and knew it was an LRV of 91. Now, I'm about to repaint our new home and noticed on BM site that Simply White was now listed at 89... I thought maybe a typo..Well, thank you for the clarity! I'll be interesting to see what a different it'll have on the walls.
So interesting! I've kept a list of some paint colors and checked a few more, Mascarpone went from 91.36 to 89, Crisp Linen from 91.87 to 89.63. If this is across the board, I agree that it must have to do with the formulation of the base. Would love to see a side-by-side comparison of a couple of these paints' old and new formulations on a wall! Would it be detectible?
I just did two of my rooms simply white and I noticed The LRV was 89 and I thought it was 91 Because I’ve used it before I’m happy to know I wasn’t crazy ♥️♥️
Currently trying to pick a white for kitchen cabinets and enjoying these videos, thanks James .
I painted shoreline downstairs in the kitchen family room and hallways and painted doors and floor mouldings and crown mouldings Chantilly lace it's gorgeous. I was scared because James I know you don't love it. But I'm telling you it's wow!!! I used to have simply white for trim and walls were smokey embers this is way brighter opens up the room. Dining room living room I painted pale oak (used to be smokey taupe) and bottom half of wall is mouldings that we painted Chantilly lace and it's also beautiful.
I learned tons from all your videos. Just want to say thank you for all you taught me.
Sima
We are having most of our first floor repainted this week in CL. Glad I saw your video today. Thank you!
Hi from Australia 🇦🇺 just found your channel and am learning so much. Thanks for all the info.
As far as I'm concerned, this is awesome of you to point out! I like to start with a vision in my head on a project and then turn to data like lrv and undertones to help execute it successfully. I recently wrote the lrvs on the backs of all my paint chips. I'll have to check and see if I used the new or the old numbers. Interesting and good to know!
I expect it's because they've changed the opacity in response to complaints about how many coats it takes to achieve good coverage as you mention. That might make lighter colours seem darker and darker colours a tad lighter. The thickeners used to get to the right colour density would have that effect; we've all used deep reds and blues that are virtually translucent and require endless coats to get a decent cover. F&B have had complaints in the past regarding some of their shades and they changed their formula a little while back.
Use Aura and you won't have a coverage problem
Glad your honest and don’t just tell people what you think they want to hear.
Interesting. I was wondering why my paint store had Aura on sale. Then I saw your video on the new Aura. Not available yet in my area. I just did a couple of rooms in White Dove with Chantilly lace for trim and ceiling. Contractor did have to use 3 coats on trim. But the 2 colors look beautiful together. Still have several rooms to go. I hope the new formula colors still look the same together.
great info!
I may also pick a gray for lowers , such as Stonington Gray .
The LRVs for most, if not all, of the BM paints have been reduced. I noticed this when I researched information about another paint color that I had planned to use. I know that I mentioned these LRV changes for a different video. I said several months ago that I had used White Dove (White Dove had an LRV in the 85 range) to paint trim during mid-2021. I found that the LRV for White Dove was changed in brightness by about +/- 2% during 2022 from the LRV published for the same color in 2021.
Do you know when the change happened? I just used White Dove on the walls and it looks like a very light soft cream to me. I was so glad I decided to not use it as a trim color. Went with Chantilly lace instead and beautiful contrast.
Yes, let's find some original Chantilly Lace and do a side by side with the new. FUN!! :-) Yes, I guess I am also a color geek too. hahahahaaaaa
I have a client with walls painted a couple years ago in aura, with just white pigment added. Anyway, I just freshened up a couple rooms for her this week with the new aura, and the exact same formula was a little cooler. Maybe he's right, maybe the new aura is a sllightly different shade?
Weird.. hoping it still matches for touching up.
Love hearing some good Tea. You had a confidential informant spill it right???...That's why your my go to paint guy.
LOVE this hahah
Maybe, just maybe it's due to shortages or higher prices. Shocked that you didn't contact BM & simply ask.
So interesting. I have Chantilly Lace in my bedroom and White Dove in my Dining Room and Living Room. Really like them both.
Which do you prefer and what are the undertones of each ?
I noticed that something was off with the BM whites several months ago. I purchased Sampalize paint sheets in multiple BM paint colors and when I would buy the actual BM aura paint and create my own sample on the wall there was a noticeable difference. I don’t think Sampalize was getting the new formula.
A year ago I picked up multiple BM dark paint samples for the exterior. There was something going one even then with the formulas because I would put them on the exterior and they wouldn’t look anything like the paint card. Then in frustration I would buy the same sample cans again at a different store and put them side by side. Completely different.
Oh no!!! I literally just found this video because I'm having trouble deciding on whites from Samplize!!! 😭
This explains a lot! Just used CLace in the new formula Aura eggshell last weekend. Coverage was fantastic over a mid tone gray. IMHO 2-3 LRV point make a huge difference at the top and bottom of the scale.
Interesting. No undertone detected?
That's interesting! I used the Lace in my kitchen last year and coverage was a royal pain. Now I wish I had waited.
I wonder if this has anything to do with the pigment issues? Maybe that's causing reformation. This is a very informative video. Thanks
On the app it still says 92.2
Interesting…
When did the LRVs change? I recently bought a bunch of sample paints.
I just had to redo my ceiling in White Rock in Aura, and it was the same as the 6 year old paint on walls and trim. Didn't notice any difference at all.
Could you some New exterior colors please! Thank you
When I look at cloud white and alabaster , they seems to me that very similar. Which of them looks a little more yellow? Which of them is more neutral? Thank you.
So interesting!
I have a can of chantilly lace that’s older than three months and I’ve painted all the trim in my new house this color. However, I will need to retouch some areas after they got scratched while having the floors done. If I run out my old Chantilly Lace and get a new can, will there be a noticeable difference in color? It will be a huge job if I have to start ALL OVER. YIKES.
They probably just added a tiny bit of black to the white base to help with coverage. Other paint companies do this specifically for coverage reasons. It can be frustrating to constantly be explaining that "Chantilly lace is brighter than the straight white lifemaster, so it'll be a bit darker" it's also frustrating to hear people complain that "this paint doesn't cover very well" when you do put it in to a bright enough base.... I'm glad they did this.
I had an argument with Chantilly so I understand. Ive noticed some changes as well with colors but one thing I cant seem to find is a bright but not too bright, small to no yellow showing cream. Im currently testing Ben Moore capital white and it just seems so bright. Any help?
So, what problems arise if you use Chantilly Lace over older Chantilly Lace?
Good question. I don’t see an issue because if you were repainting, I’d recommend multiple coats anyway!
@@thepaintpeople I would be pretty peeved if I bought a can of the new to do touch ups, rather than repaint, and ended up with yucky splotches everywhere…
I am hoping that Chantilly Lace will not be as yellow in northern rooms as it has been. It was crossed off my list, but it may need to go back on
I dd notice because I chosen that white base on your video and then I saw different LTV I thought I was going crazy or I misunderstood
I have noticed it has changed in Aura Matte with the new Aura formulas. Personally my favorite white is 792 01 and 793 01, what I call open the can white. Of course that is in Advance.
Wait, your favorite white is just the base with nothing added?
@@sarahstewartprojects no the base would be 1x, 2x, 3x or 4x, 01 is just white a full gallon. It's also a different color than the bases.
Im stunned 😧
Is the LRV the same regardless of the finish?
My Hirshfield’s store that sells Benjamin Moore paint doesn’t even know or realize the LRV changed or why.
How does chantilly lace compare with F&B’s all white ?
Huh this is very interesting. I have always wondered if colors change over time.
Better coverage is better for diy type ppl where’s as the good ole formulas were better for cobtractors and pros. Diy ppl are more of the market than in the past is my bet
I bet and wonder, James if…there is a Sherwin Williams version of Chantilly Lace, see and check if there might be any similarities to one another.
I’m like you, James. I’m just as perplexed and befuddled on this white paint color dilemma. I bet and think if you did a part 2 of this video, with part 2 delving into the Sherwin Williams whites collection, and what their LRV’S are, I’ve got a funny feeling that 😁 Benjamin Moore may be sipping on one too many cups of their tea and…maybe seeing double? 😁 They might be a bit drunk on tea. 😁
But yeah, I would compare Chantilly Lace to any of the Sherwin Williams whites collections and check out their LRV ranges.
And this is something else I thought about too.
I think the reason why Chantilly Lace may and would look darker is because…it was and had been painted on a dark colored wall.
That might be why. And there’s plenty of dark colors that can do that to a white such as Chantilly Lace. Dark gray, black, navy, azure blue, Hunter green, barn red. That, I think might be a cause of some whites not coming off as bright as the homeowners or anyone expected.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Sherwin Williams have started doing the same thing Benjamin Moore are doing with the LRV’S of their colors too.
I’ve used Snowfall White instead of Simply White and Chantilly Lace and I love it. It’s a color that doesn’t get talked about, but completely worth it- way less yellow than Simply White, more neutral but not as stark as Chantilly Lace
I saw another decorator video today mention that white. I will check it out. Thanks.
I have used snowfall in my entire house. Loving it, less yellow than simply white
@@nandinik1611 just Started painting my living room and dining room that colour and already it looks fantastic. I love what it did to my master bedroom
Hello! I am currently having my 82 year old home painted. Main white is Soft Chamois.
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Last year I did 3 months worth of work in Chantilly Lace. Definitely a big deal if you are the one working with the paint.
If it covers better I'll embrace the change.
what if the technology behind lighting has changed, altering how we view color and perceive refraction? is it possible led and hid lighting makes super refractive whites too bright?
I just checked and Chantilly Lace is listed as 92.2 again
I noticed
Change in LRV not good if you need to touch up EXISTING colors.
I noticed! I thought I was crazy….😂
I realized something in November, i think they have changed ingredients
Fascinating! Being a private investigator for all things color is my dream job. Let’s investigate.
Oooooo, just began this cannot wait to see what you say here 😮 You talked me out of it (okay not you personally, but your videos). I saw it, too late, after I bought the gallon. So then, I went with White Dove…
Wow! James, do you know when this change took place? I’m wondering about that gallon I have of Chantilly Lace.
Had to do touch ups in my home using Chantilly Lace and I can clearly see a difference , unfortunately.
*spends weeks picking out paint colors ...Finalized about 7 mins ago......*sees this* * flips color table chart across the room* *thankful for this information*
Chantily Lace 65 is a nigtmare paint! I really regret buying it. I bought two drums to paint the whole house and the coverage is a nightmare. It's so transparent. The colour is kind of bluish. I used BM white paint before and there was no issue with coverage but this is a really crap paint. One layer will not even cover a bit of dirt on white wall.
Maybe this was live accidentally.
It's called hide not coverage. Huge pet peeve
They changed undertones to keep you buying paint.
Wtf I just bought it for my house hahaha I’ve been testing it but …. I don’t knowwwww
They're messing with existing colors now and calling them by the same name? This is CERN's fault!
What is CERN
So far , decorators white is my favorite.
For what ?
I love that color too
Covid supply issues
Why? I’m sure we can blame climate change
B.m is the worst company for consistency in the same colour in multiple products. Like, really really bad
Oh man are we deleting comments now. Wow real professional guys.
Which comments are you referring to?
@@thepaintpeople The comments that had links showing where you got your information lmao.
Luke// James is ACTUALLY helping us out. He has for me a LOT. We don't need the negativity here please and thank you.
Maybe I'll stay away from Bennie Moores paints because they're soon fickle!!!!
Aren't you a Benjamin Moore dealer?? Can't you ask your rep for the real answer? Or are you disguising "secret" information as speculation to avoid angering BM? The change is ironic in light of BM's ads about how other paint stores can't match BM colors...
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