Cultish: Ritual Magic & the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, Pt. 2

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  • Join us as we continue our conversation with Jac Marino as she shares with us how she got involved with ritual magic at a young age & become involved with a mysterious fraternity know as the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn.
    How did God save her out of ritual magic?
    How can we be better suited as Christians to speak with those trapped in the occult?
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  • @ApologiaStudios
    @ApologiaStudios  Před rokem +5

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  • @JacMarinoChen
    @JacMarinoChen Před rokem +248

    Thank you again for giving me the opportunity to share! All glory to God for His saving work in my life.

    • @deannemiller891
      @deannemiller891 Před rokem +15

      Thank you so much for sharing your story with us. Your life is such a testimony to God's grace!

    • @basedghostcoasttocoast
      @basedghostcoasttocoast Před rokem +7

      Based

    • @gwenkilby
      @gwenkilby Před rokem +9

      God bless you sister, thank you for sharing of your amazing salvation! Praise Jesus!

    • @scottandant
      @scottandant Před rokem +5

      Would love to see more vids on your channel.

    • @booklover1510
      @booklover1510 Před rokem +5

      Praise God for His mercy!

  • @noppitynopenope6062
    @noppitynopenope6062 Před rokem +14

    When I called upon Christ in a demonic dream, I was pulled out as I was saying the Our Father. The very next day I threw away thousands of dollars of chrystals, books, cards, sage etc. I was guided by the Lord slowly to know what needed cleansing, thrown out, left behind. I cried time and time again in thanks to God for his saving grace. He could have left me, he didn't. He wanted me to come back and I have never been more at peace.

  • @laceyheartstring2841
    @laceyheartstring2841 Před rokem +11

    Amazed how much her story parallels my life, in unnerving detail. Even some of the verses she mentions I have called upon and studied extensively on the way out.

  • @ryleeanfinson2693
    @ryleeanfinson2693 Před rokem +36

    Incredible testimony. My close friend who is like a soul sister to me is in the New Age and I just got saved by Jesus myself last month and I'm going to give her the Gospel and this video is helping me understand where she is at in her life.

  • @jaquirox6579
    @jaquirox6579 Před rokem +11

    The more I hear from Jac, the more crazy it is how much we have in common. Even down to our abnormal names. She’s a gem, and I appreciate her interviews with Apologia.

    • @ladyhumblebee2784
      @ladyhumblebee2784 Před rokem +2

      I remember you. How are things with you and your husband? God bless you sister

    • @jaquirox6579
      @jaquirox6579 Před rokem +2

      @@ladyhumblebee2784 hey!! Lovely to see you again! We are doing pretty good. All things take healing of course, but we are doing well. Thank you for asking! How are you doing? ♥️🙏🏽

    • @ladyhumblebee2784
      @ladyhumblebee2784 Před rokem +1

      @@jaquirox6579 I am blessed and continuously amazed by what God does when we trust and follow Him! Healing those take time of course and I am so happy you are doing well. This good news brings health to my bones and brightens my eyes! God bless sister

    • @jaquirox6579
      @jaquirox6579 Před rokem +1

      @@ladyhumblebee2784 Thank you so much sis! ♥️🙏🏽 The path will always be difficult for the Christian, but I am also amazed at the blessings and mercy that God gives us when we chose to obey. Walking in obedience breeds compounding blessings, it’s both amazing to witness and ever surprising. :)

    • @ladyhumblebee2784
      @ladyhumblebee2784 Před rokem +1

      @@jaquirox6579 amen 💗💗💗

  • @MJS-PS144
    @MJS-PS144 Před rokem +7

    So glad to hear this testemony and rejoice with you! I never practiced in the occult but grew up in a very secular household and completely know what you mean when you speak of the Lord's kindness with us while we are lost. Praise God for his rod and his staff!

  • @inthecreed
    @inthecreed Před rokem +10

    Content and details aside, the disdain she has for her former life - her shame and disgust with it, is practically palpable. That’s an inspiring change, that only Christ can bring about.

    • @catherinegrace2366
      @catherinegrace2366 Před rokem

      I was never in it but my family is and was. It is unfathomable to me to dress up in robes and take the vows they do. I can’t feature my family doing this but my brother is a grand master so he did it. My grandfather was a grand master also.

  • @Ann-ig1ss
    @Ann-ig1ss Před rokem +10

    You all have been like shepherds along the narrow road for me since the pandemic. The Lord has used you to teach me a lot in my life and I tell everyone about your show. Great work. Ms. Mariano Chen-beautiful testimony. Lots of “revered” masons in my family. You solidified my instincts and you did it with complete grace. Good job!

  • @kathywaltrip4921
    @kathywaltrip4921 Před rokem +4

    Thank you to Ms Marino for being so honest and transparent. You are a blessing.

  • @jody2873
    @jody2873 Před rokem +10

    I LOVE THIS SWEET HUMBLE SAINT!!
    So knowledgeable of scripture and it's application and so well spoken!
    THANK YOU!- ONE OF YOUR BEST SHOWS!

  • @Chaniechan777
    @Chaniechan777 Před rokem +4

    Love this testimony. Everybody has a story and God can pull you out of anything. So much power in the name of Jesus. Praise God!!

  • @therecoverytabernacle
    @therecoverytabernacle Před rokem +3

    Powerful testimony. God opens the eyes of who HE will! ❤

  • @Tintin17Nick-wq4hf
    @Tintin17Nick-wq4hf Před rokem +2

    A wicked and rebellious generation ask for a sign but none shall be given,and that's true until you realise Jesus Christ is the answer and a saviour of mercy,Grace and pure peace!!🙏🇬🇧💗 God bless you all 🙏

    • @tina4913
      @tina4913 Před 3 měsíci

      The Jews wanted that mesia killed Romans ,and destroy Roman Empire ,and then become king of the Jews.😊But Jesus did not do that.

  • @lilisanchez2605
    @lilisanchez2605 Před rokem +9

    Praise The Lord ! Amazing testimony

  • @Snazzybeat1
    @Snazzybeat1 Před rokem +4

    After your spirit is affected to horrific circumstances as a child, you remain open to the energy of the manipulator and the predator. Your path was your learning and your own way home- seeking the truth, which was within these circumstances but twisted to benefit the perpetrator that wished to benefit from divine forces & egoistically defined as their own teachings- born of the spiritually affected themselves. You wernt depraved you were damaged looking for truth - those who perpetuated lies as teachings are the truly depraved

  • @ms.rainh20teachesart
    @ms.rainh20teachesart Před rokem +2

    I praise Jesus that she had the courage to go into detail about the practices she took part in. I was on a similar path with the Golden Dawn and so much of her story reminds me of my own. I PRAISE YAH THAT HE REVEALED THE TRUTH TO HER! He is so GOOD! HalleluYah!

  • @JesusisLord3in1
    @JesusisLord3in1 Před rokem +6

    Praise God for your testimony! Praise the Lord!

  • @Andreamom001
    @Andreamom001 Před rokem +20

    I think it’s easy for some Christians to see people with other beliefs as the enemy and fall into an “us vs them” mentality. But people in the occult, LGBT activists, atheists, whoever doesn’t know Jesus is a lost person that God loves. Jesus died for that person. Even if that person believes Christians are cruel bigots or idiots, Jesus dies for that person, and we should have love and concern for them, not enmity.

    • @rollmops3113
      @rollmops3113 Před rokem +5

      True, a good reminder 💕

    • @catherinegrace2366
      @catherinegrace2366 Před rokem +2

      Yes amen!

    • @amysnyder8265
      @amysnyder8265 Před rokem +1

      Yes we must love them....but we also absolutely must not compromise the truth.....we Must TELL THEM THE TRUTH!!

  • @timothyjones2759
    @timothyjones2759 Před rokem +4

    I wasn’t into that kind of stuff but I was addicted to heroin and cocaine and the lifestyle basically. He is an amazing God. I even thought LSD would help me at some point in my journey, now I see that was another trick from satan. That was a long journey down a path that had so many twists and turns. Glory to God for letting me see the truth.

  • @renee00718
    @renee00718 Před rokem +1

    Wow!! Thank our perfect wonderful loving Savior for this beautiful child of The Almighty Creator!!!!

  • @natureofthesupernatural8058

    I think it would be powerful if you guys at the end of show say a prayer for the viewers. This video will be watched so many times. A lot people broken.

  • @amandacatraye9801
    @amandacatraye9801 Před rokem +1

    Yes! Please do an episode covering rosicrucian beliefs and practices. My huband's family is involved and he just tells me it's all about being connected in a community to help eachother. I'm so thankful for Jac telling her story. Hopefully it will help bring many more people to the truth of Jesus.

  • @deannemiller891
    @deannemiller891 Před rokem +11

    I especially loved the explanation about how deceived most people are who are in the occult. It gave me a new perspective. Thank you!

    • @terezka5340
      @terezka5340 Před rokem +2

      Yes this is very true. I have been in new age for two decades and I haven´t met one person who wasn´t genuine seeker of God. It´s so heartbreaking. So much deception and spiritual slavery.

  • @martinwilliams9866
    @martinwilliams9866 Před rokem +2

    "You can't leave!", such groups wouldn't want you there if you didn't want to be there!

  • @brandicrews8490
    @brandicrews8490 Před 2 měsíci

    So many of us have lived this reality!! Praise Lord Jesus for his mercy and grace!

  • @Shush379
    @Shush379 Před rokem +2

    Brought me to tears. Thank you Jesus

  • @dead-zo-nd
    @dead-zo-nd Před rokem +10

    I'm glad you are covering freemasonry, there is a shocking silence when it comes to these topics from many apologetics ministries and it needs to change. It's far more common than people anticipate.

    • @catherinegrace2366
      @catherinegrace2366 Před rokem

      There is a lot of Freemasons. It’s not even considered a bad thing in Oklahoma which is part of the Bible Belt!

  • @davidjoshua5667
    @davidjoshua5667 Před rokem +20

    This popped up for me right on time! Praise God!!!

    • @chadreddick5528
      @chadreddick5528 Před rokem +1

      See also Bret Norman-satanic media agenda session 78.

  • @wolfmoon3431
    @wolfmoon3431 Před 10 měsíci +1

    I did not like or agree with the strong religious bias of this part but I very much enjoyed the overall topic of discussion. I can attest that, I was truly healed following a deep shamanic healing 3.5 years ago (and that form of spirituality is far more ancient than that of organised Christian faith). I dislike organised religion for a multitude of reasons! However, although, I am admittedly very spiritual, I would also, always avoid any form of black magic like the plague. Thank you for this interesting podcast... Even though our opinions on religious matters may differ, I really enjoy these intriguing explorations of Spiritual subjects❤

  • @amysnyder8265
    @amysnyder8265 Před rokem +2

    JESUS IS LORD!!!❤❤❤

  • @lisanncornelis4663
    @lisanncornelis4663 Před rokem

    Oh! When she spoke about wanting something desperately but being terrified was exactly me.
    When my mother in law died ( before she died we talked about her visiting me after death), I woke up and realized “ she” was in the room. But I was so overwhelmed with terror I pretended to sleep.
    Afterwards I was so angry with myself for not interacting with “ her”.
    At this time, and for many years after I was a “Christian” New Ager, who also played with Wiccan rituals etc.
    God never let go of me. He is so good.

  • @HisMiraclesHappening
    @HisMiraclesHappening Před rokem +5

    This young lady puts me to shame as a Christian. I am so far away from God. I feel so oppressed. I pray daily and I just can’t get out of it. Please someone, pray for me. My husband is a Backsliden Catholic so that support isn’t there either. God please forgive me. 🙏🏼♥️

  • @bigbird76
    @bigbird76 Před rokem +6

    Amazing testimony, thank you for sharing! All glory to our merciful God and Savior!

  • @johnb8447
    @johnb8447 Před rokem +2

    I feel the alure of eastern religions. I needed this info at this time in my life. Thanks from the bottom of my heart. I will donate for sure.

  • @MildlySlopedRoofsKill
    @MildlySlopedRoofsKill Před rokem +2

    Damn Moses, I’m sorry about what happened to your family. There’s no room for that kind of toxicity in any community. I’m looking forward to your new change in direction. I’m sure you’ll bring your high quality standards to any endeavor.

  • @NoNameNumberTwo
    @NoNameNumberTwo Před rokem +2

    I wonder if all the different names (Eastern Star, Golden Dawn, etc.) are just a way to provide plausible deniability for each organization?

  • @jessicabaeza8338
    @jessicabaeza8338 Před rokem +2

    Hallelujah! Praise God! 👏

  • @victoriouskingdom
    @victoriouskingdom Před rokem +1

    I can relate to this so much! God is alive!

  • @Mairiain
    @Mairiain Před rokem +2

    I was struck by Jac's comment about feeling like the story was inverted such that Lucifer is good and God is not since I struggled with this at one point.

  • @karenskipper2096
    @karenskipper2096 Před rokem +1

    She's still very spiritually blessed she was in tune and that's why she's where she's at look at the happiness on her face if you want truth, tell me what you would want, Jesus forgives your sins, he died to do it. Sin is in all of us, doesn't change who our boss should be, look at the hapiness.........

  • @estimatingonediscoveringthree

    Will cultish be hitting a second round of close encounters of the 5th kind?! Getting pritty relevant in the horizon

  • @christianjones4442
    @christianjones4442 Před rokem +2

    ❤"Jesus Christ save me!"❤

  • @karen18077
    @karen18077 Před rokem +2

    Please let your guests speak more and finish their testimony before repeatedly interjecting with side notes that dirupt the flow. Great topic

  • @ronnieblanchet4072
    @ronnieblanchet4072 Před rokem +5

    Sick! Solo Deo Gloria

  • @kateorson4754
    @kateorson4754 Před rokem

    Really good point about researching the darkness. I’ve realised I can have a tendency to do that after being in the new age. Thank you for a wonderful interview!

  • @bicyclelife7088
    @bicyclelife7088 Před rokem

    My parents were both raised in Freemasonry and the Golden Dawn, and met through it as children. My grandfather was a Shriner (Master Mason). On my grandmother's death bed she told me about the Golden Dawn being a cult, and warned me about it. It was the last thing she thought about before dying. I grew up with my parents not telling me anything except to not mess with either.

  • @Jordan-jh7ck
    @Jordan-jh7ck Před rokem +1

    I love when he says “you were reading the Bible in code, you weren’t reading it for what it was” essentially reading it leaning on your self and perhaps even on demonic influence rather than reading it as it was intended to be read by the Holy Spirit. I used to be into new age stuff, not nearly as deep as this woman but still some crazy stuff. Now as a Catholic I can see so clearly how occult practices are such a mockery and imitation of Christianity. Occult rituals are the inversion of what God asks us to give to Him and instead of giving all to Him occult rituals are done for personal gain. You do it for you. You pray for you. You worship for you. You read Gods word for you. Instead of doing all of that for Him.

  • @bpatts1652
    @bpatts1652 Před rokem +2

    That was awesome!!

  • @happyami102619
    @happyami102619 Před rokem +3

    What are the philosophy?

  • @elcesar999
    @elcesar999 Před rokem

    from my understanding and my experience in life the best life is a balanced life style...

  • @dianecatalano5834
    @dianecatalano5834 Před rokem +2

    wow what a biessing ! Thank you

  • @hp22_90
    @hp22_90 Před 2 měsíci

    The Rosicrucians were a Protestant group with roots in Germany.

  • @mattcopeland2386
    @mattcopeland2386 Před rokem +1

    When does this episode drop on Apple podcast?

  • @sofreshsocleanfits
    @sofreshsocleanfits Před rokem +1

    What grade did she get to ?

  • @thesolarengineer
    @thesolarengineer Před rokem +1

    The GD was crushed to dust in 1903. The pyramid in the night of Pan lies in the A:.A:.

  • @lawrencestanley8989
    @lawrencestanley8989 Před rokem +2

    Have you made an episode yet on Leightonistic Provisionism?

  • @carmenburnham1088
    @carmenburnham1088 Před rokem

    Praise God she knows the Lord. He truly desires that none should perish and to reveal He is Lord over everything and every knee must bow and tongue confess that He is Lord. the Messiah the Breaker and deliverer.

  • @lisaeshleman754
    @lisaeshleman754 Před rokem

    the Catholic Church had the bible translated into English before the King James Version was written....it had been translated into many other languages by that point commissioned by the Catholic Church.

  • @justadude8539
    @justadude8539 Před rokem +2

    Her name is jack?

  • @ahmadotair9644
    @ahmadotair9644 Před rokem

    I face demonic forces always annoy me in tophet curse as iam use to escape to the faith of god to be in save form from this unholy forcment

  • @OurMackeyAndDottieShow
    @OurMackeyAndDottieShow Před rokem +1

    There is “NO FENCE TO SIT UPON” Jehovah God is our “Heavenly Father” 🙏🏼and it’s either Jehovah or Satan. AND the “fallen angels” can no longer make their own bodies as in “the days of Noah” SO NOW THEY WANT YOURS !🤷🏾‍♀️. There IS NO FENCE !! Worship Jehovah or by default you are worshipping Satan !!!📖

  • @StClare_
    @StClare_ Před rokem

    I find it ironic that the history of the occult, Western esotericism and ritual magick is littered with examples of Christians who practiced the Hermetic sciences. Paracelsus, one of the greatest magicians and alchemists in history, was a devout Christian. As was Eliphas Levi.

  • @joycekoch5746
    @joycekoch5746 Před rokem +1

    Ironic that Israel Regardie as a Jew
    ran from the God of his ancestors to the
    gods of Egypt which the Jews were taken out
    of.

    • @tina4913
      @tina4913 Před 3 měsíci

      The are the laws of Maat.😊There are videos about this on CZcams.

  • @danh5637
    @danh5637 Před 4 měsíci

    Why *not* ask the specifics.

  • @kahlergaius9039
    @kahlergaius9039 Před rokem +1

    Around 22 minute mark…stop with the lies About the Luther Bible and it being hidden in Latin. There have been vernacular German and other langurs bibles since at least 311 with the Gothic translation. The Asperger Bible dates from over 100 years earlier. The fact that it could cost a years income to produce a Bible was what kept it from people until the Gutenberg press.

  • @cheeseman417
    @cheeseman417 Před 11 měsíci

    The co host Andrew sounds like the host of the silver dragons channel!, is he the same guy?, because if not he's got a doppelgänger out there!😂

  • @evanpedri
    @evanpedri Před rokem +4

    Leave it to a calvanist to 100% get on board with the enemy being spiritually active and doing obevrt displays of power. Then Reject the Holy Spirit doing that today.
    I mean. One of the Biggest influences on me becoming a believer was a Christian touching my swollen hand and it being healed.
    I was also Just healed of a stomach problem recently.
    The Lord is still active to this day and the charismatic gifts of the Holy Spirit didn't end with the apostles.

    • @jordantheriverman6143
      @jordantheriverman6143 Před rokem +8

      A) your primary response should be joy over this ladies salvation.
      B) you misunderstand the cessationist position. See strange fire conference on youtube for more clarity.

    • @rayortiz6189
      @rayortiz6189 Před rokem

      One big strawman

    • @terezka5340
      @terezka5340 Před rokem +1

      So many miracles are happening. I have watched documentery of mircles by st.Charbel - mesmerizing
      czcams.com/video/bI1wftAyhbk/video.html

    • @evanpedri
      @evanpedri Před rokem +1

      @Jordan The River Man no. See. You are ether a continuationist as in the gifts and Miracles or you reject them. It's wierdly black and white.

    • @evanpedri
      @evanpedri Před rokem

      @Ray Ortiz my bad I thought you were a athiest I was replying to. The dude couldn't actually adress my testimony and started trying to get my testimony to be science and I thought my argument in response to you saying a strawman was that.
      My bad.
      But. It's also not a strawman. Arnt calvanistd censationsts? Well if they are I'm sorry but your rejecting the work of the Holy Spirit to this day.
      If fensationists were right the two separate times I have heen healed would have never happened. If calvanists were right I wouldn't have become a Christian and it's all because the charismatic gifts never ended with the apostles

  • @rager4able
    @rager4able Před rokem +2

    Is the checkard floor and chess somehow connected?

    • @bonivermectin4087
      @bonivermectin4087 Před rokem +4

      I wouldn't doubt it. Checkered anything in masonic symbology represents, i believe, the duality of human nature and good/evil. Someone out there feel free to correct me if I am wrong.

    • @rager4able
      @rager4able Před rokem +1

      @@bonivermectin4087 if it is, I'd like to know how it relates to the game

    • @bonivermectin4087
      @bonivermectin4087 Před rokem +1

      @@rager4able oh gotcha! I would too

  • @TheDiabeticTriathlete

    Keep studying…go to seminary school and learn what the pastors learn. There goes the knowledge of good and evil.

  • @amysnyder8265
    @amysnyder8265 Před rokem +1

    Genesis 3 ....the same old lie,....come home to Jesus come back to the Truth!!!

  • @TyMcLeod
    @TyMcLeod Před rokem

    11:40 sounds like the Fallen Angels reproduced with her. This was common in the days of Noah.

  • @basedghostcoasttocoast

    Based grandpa

  • @jonjohnson445
    @jonjohnson445 Před rokem

    7:58

  • @thomascleveland
    @thomascleveland Před 6 měsíci

    I think its dangerous to set up a false dichotomy as you did around 9 min. Where you are basically saying "Christian miracles are fake, and you were dealing with something tangibly real." Who is going to believe in your God if you don't even believe in his power yourself? There are plenty of Hermetic charlatans as well as christians. But God's power is real, and so to a lesser degree are the spiritual entities dealt with in golden dawn rituals.

  • @kingvictorzac
    @kingvictorzac Před rokem

    You need our lord Jesus Christ the moment you start sleeping with various people..

  • @martinwilliams9866
    @martinwilliams9866 Před rokem

    Syncratic not syncratistic!

  • @FranciscoGarcia-lo7gt

    Wrath of God ? no 16:24

  • @theunorthodox828
    @theunorthodox828 Před rokem +1

    Officers in the HOGD do not wear hoods...

  • @glockoshoppo
    @glockoshoppo Před rokem +2

    Hopped from one cult to another 🤣. It all comes from the same place - human minds

  • @lucaswilliams1598
    @lucaswilliams1598 Před rokem

    La Marzulli meets apologia studios

  • @rickhall517930
    @rickhall517930 Před rokem +1

    This host needs to learn how to ask questions instead of making speeches.

    • @bbconklin2662
      @bbconklin2662 Před rokem

      Yeah the hosts just started preaching in the middle, like we're here to hear from her my guys. Get over yourselves.

  • @yentl8638
    @yentl8638 Před rokem +2

    From false doctrines into another false doctrine this is concerning.

  • @alanshade6719
    @alanshade6719 Před rokem

    I don't trust anyone who drinks water from a bottle named "smart water"

  • @MrPanchoak
    @MrPanchoak Před rokem

    While the general timbre of her witness is wonderful. And I'm very glad that she has come to Christ in all sincerity.
    However you all seem very hung up on the idea that Scripture is "The Word" "Scripture Is sufficient"
    Yet Scripture itself never teaches this dogma.
    In fact while there IS NO error in scripture, It IS all God Breathed. But you will never find scripture teaching sufficiency of scripture. It is simply false dogma. It ISNT that which had been received by the early Christian Church nor could it be. Because it wasn't yet all written or accepted at that point.
    You run the danger of making a god of scripture.
    The WORD is none other than Jesus Christ himself .

  • @christie4004
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    POWERFUL TESTIMONY, i was glued to your every word, especially about "everything was a sign" and the glowing building, and the entities who wanted to see through your eyes.
    Curious to know if there are any holdovers from the things that you learned in the occult, such as do you ever burn candles with Jesus, or do you ever meditate with Jesus...do you speak with Him, do you feel like Jesus dwells within you?
    I ask because 5 years ago at the age of 50, Jesus Christ appeared to me and asked me to spend 40 days in the Wilderness with Him.
    After 4 months of study, contemplation and preparation, and a lifetime of being mostly Christian (I had worked withTarot, candles, crystals and stones in my late 20's/early 30's), I made the decision to accept His invitation.
    My life changed literall y overnight the day after I went into the Widerness with Him. My 28-year marriage did not survive the transformation in me, and now I live alone as a recluse, a fervent and devout follower of Jesus.
    But He told me that there is true power and different abilities that can be gained -- that magic and alchemy energies from the sun and the moon are real, but that such study *must* *only* be done through, with and in Him.
    I built a church for Him in my backyard with His help and direction, and each full moon He has me build a ceremonial fire and we sit beside the fire and the water fountain I have there, and He teaches me and shows me esoteric things that not many people know.
    He never has me chant, though.
    Anyway, I was just wondrring.
    So glad you found Jesus. Never forget, Scripture says that in the latter days, His sons and daughters will prophecy, dream dreams and see visions. You do have an innate gift for that type of spiritual discourse and discovery with Him.
    JESUS CHRIST IS LORD