The Somme - Sneak Peek Part II
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- čas přidán 22. 06. 2007
- www.imdb.com/title/tt0489278/
www.amazon.co.uk/Somme-Tilda-S...
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I agree, Andy, both forced into this game of chess while the kings stood back and played the pawns and the board.
God bless all who died.
A number of issues:
1. Rifles are wrong, they're WW2 era No. 4 rifles with Pattern 1907 bayonet adapters
2. Small Box Respirators were not widely issued until well after the Somme, troops would have been issued PH Hoods in bags strapped at the side, not the front
3. The large valise pack would have been left behind after the early campaigns of 1914, only retrived behind the lines
4. The German Lieutenant (Kassel), as per his photo collection left to the IWM shows that he wore glasses
5. I don't see a single set of wire cutters, bandoliers, or Lewis Gun sections. Good luck actually making any progress through Fritz lines!
Still, good dramatic effect and documentary. Lest we forget
According to Sgt. Ernest Bryan of 17th Battn. King's Liverpool Regiment they followed a creeping barrage on July 1st 1916 ( the first day of the Battle of the Somme). The problem was that the barrage did not lift when they reached the enemy and they couldn't tell which side was shelling them. Info from " Forgotten Voices of the Somme" by Joshua Levine
Good book
The young soldier was hit and unable to carry on, he crawled to the bottom of a shell hole, he was able to get under his blanket and pull out his New testament,
he was found weeks later still clutching it.
This happened thousands of times.
Rip Cyril Joes. 1899-1984. He was the kid featured at the beginning.
I read that in addition to the belief that there would be no resistance after the barrage, the point of walking in was that everyone would arrive at the objective at the same time and not be so winded from running that they couldn't fight or occupy the trench.
The screaming that you hear at 6:16 seems so real. I can’t imagine the real life horror that this war produced. Those who survived must have seen unspeakable horror.
I went to the Somme battlefields last December
@Kettch23 Correct. It was also used for decoration and served as a ventilator for the helmet. It's kind of funny how people always assume the spike was meant to be a weapon. The spikes are thin brass; you'd end up breaking it before you hurt anyone with it.
Just a bonus, German artillerymen had pickelhaubes with a ball on top instead of a spike (symbolizing a cannonball.)
Engage trainspotter mode: at 1:26 and 4:11 the soldiers are carrying Lee Enfield No.4 Mk1 rifles that were not introduced until 1941. The blade-type bayonets fitted to those rifles were introduced towards the end of WW2.
@Kettch23
At the same time it allowed for country/side identification. It was later removed for the M90 helmet standard, but any of those who still had it would occasionally use it as a melee weapon after sharpening the the spike in their trenches.
My grandfather fought in the somme he was injured by shrapnel and gassed but survived many thanks for showing this film
Hearing that whistle knowing that it's time to go would be worse than the guns themselves. At least I think it would be.
Someone else posted the whole show on youtube, you have to look around a bit but it is there and yes the name is simply "The Somme"
3 of my Great Grandas were in that. This programme can only portray so much.
exactly, it follows Omaha beach mg emplacement ideologies from WWII as well. It's the enfilading cross fire that create deadly fields of fire, it's near impossible to tell where the fire will come at you from
Whats even stupider is the fact that the enemy then did the exact same thing in return.
They were worn on some ceremonial parades and for some special guards like at funerals and painted black for that pupose. I have only seen them on prewar images and very early in the war.
One of the finest strangest and sweetest and saddest parts of the Somme battle England took the largest casualties but also deployed the Buddy brigades which was a way to boost enrollment by having people from the same town who were friends with each other joined together and trained as a group.
It's everything honorable and Despicable about war.
Britain, not England.
@@scaleyback217 Well said john👍English myself and 100%right of you.
They were called pals Battalions,recruited together from the same streets, Bradford pals, Accrington pals etc.
that's right lads. Walk across the fields with no cover into the firing line. old tactics against new weapons
It amazes me how they retro fitted the sword bayonets to the no4s also.
Reading Churchills the World Crisis 1911-1918 and it makes interesting reading. The allies really played into the Germans hands all the way through the war until 1918. The idea was to wear them down but a look at the statistics shows that the Germans kill rate was unsurpisingly double that of the Allies. The tables were only turned ironically when the Germans felt confident enough to go on their great Spring Offensive in 1918 and lost 800,000 men.
This show has been aired on TV (Channel 4) but as far is I know it wasn't released on DVD.
*getting shot by machine gun fire*
lets just keep on walking guys!
One of few videos who display the Germans as normal people.
And not as cartoonish moustache twirling bad guys
Discracefull that they sent people to certain death like this like a fkn game 😯
During ww2, germans where effectively normal people. No SS, no nazies. Prisoners where treated very well. And the same in the other side. The enemies where the men to kill, the land was the place to defend or conquer, but there was no hatred.
@@calvacoca I assume you meant "ww1" and not "ww2" lol
@@calvacoca Bullshit. They were Nazis. They stomped around like they owned the Earth and sought to enslave it. Fuck you and your moral relativism.
0:51 Titanic hits the iceberg!!
Sorry, sorry.... I just love the actor... ^-^
the real sad thing was that almost all soldiers were told they could walk as almost all germans would be killed by the prolonged shelling. Making it easier for the germans to wipe them out. In the few places where the soldiers did charge they did manage to maek real progress and break through, but only to be beaten back by german reinforcements and the lack of support.
Were they actually fitting bayonets while still in the trenches ? I thought I read somewhere they realized after a while it was a dangerous tactic, as people would get hurt while climbing out of the trench.
Ww1 riffle with a Jungle Carbine bolt , with the hole in the ball on the bold Wichita made it lighter
It was a made for T.V. docudrama in the UK you could probably get it on DVD if you look around the net.
WWI: The Forgotten War, The Forgotten Young Boys, The Forgotten Cruel Memory & The Forgotten History
*MG starts firing*
Nah, nevermind, fellas, let's just keep casually walking straight to the death.
tHE FACIAL EXPRESSION IS SOOOOOO DETAILED! VERY GOOD ACTORS
Nah. You're thinking of Flanders (specifically Ypers/Passchendaele after weeks of heavy rain) where the water table was a lot closer to the surface and the battles never really ceased for 4 years.
Somme had a much different terrain (dry, chalky soil) and was a relatively calm area before the actual battle, so the ground wasn't so torn up as in Flanders.
yeah...right!....mmm ...clearly the somme was SO VERY EASY ... specially to all the fine young men that put on them chests to the bullets.... but .... ah!... sorry!!!!, i forgot that you know everything about it so very well, don't you?.... no doubt of course, 'cause you're such a brave and an experimented little kid
well mate remember the trenches stretched from the swiss alps to the belgian coast, so i doubt there would be much flanking. a line at all is stupid becoz the MG's can just spray. small shock groups (which were used at the end of the war) supported by a creeping barrage is the best way to cut casualties. at the battle of hamil, sir john monash incorporated tanks, planes, artillery and infantry to massive effect. peaceful penetration, massive gains with minimal losses
German Defenders: "GOT MIT UNS!"
Attacking British: "WE GOT MITTENS TOO!"
Couldn't agree more. Basically they said "hey look at these awesome modern armies!! Let's try them out."
fliping great film
LEAST WE FORGET
Lest*
This is great stuff! Can it be purchased in Canada? Where is it from?
So surreal - how they were just leisurely strolling through a meadow… towards machine guns and near-certain annihilation.
@trooper59 That and also it was used as a melee weapon if they lost their rifle or something.
I believe the Lee-Enfield was the standard weapon of the British Empire since the later 19th century. The No.4 is basically the same weapon except better and easier to mass produce.
Agreed. They should really show the daisycutters or shit like that in a movie.
The nasty crap that sends shrapnel everywhere, or the results of inhaling gas, instead of just someone coughing a bit.
But i like that they read original letters with the feelings of soldiers, and it's well-acted for the rest.
Once again all I can say is "I'm glad I was never a soldier".
born at the right time
be happy you were not born in the 1890s mate
@SushiSounds
i was really just asking a rhetorical question just to make you and other views think about if the world of 1916 is really that different from the world we live in today. i mean dispite that after the end of world war 1 there where a wish to end war for good, there are still war and suffering. Two of these wars are adminsted by Obarama whom in his campain talked constantly about CHANGE, CHANGE, CHANGE and yet the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan continues.
Hey Ketch23 is there a third part to this video? Are you going to post it?
and they also all had to reach the german line at the exact same time
so they all walked at the same pace and set of at slightly different times depending on how far they had to walk
and with this battle, the Machine gun and her crewmen shows the higher ups what a pair of them can do agaisnt the largest army they could amass
Thanks for sharing this story
they also thought the barbed wire would be destryed and from the photos they took (ariel) it appeared they had because it was very accurate shelling..but it just didn't work.
King George V and his cousin The Kaiser could of stopped this war.
Why would they stop it if they had started it.
Cousin Nicholas started war.
Pretty much every major Royal figure at this time was the first or second cousin of each other not to mention the Habsburg bloodline in itself. But William and Nicholas and George all believed each other when they said they had no intention of War, at that time, in their correspondence to each other. William actually went on vacation positive that war would not start in his absence. his biggest blunder I would say was not completely reading the the dossier or information that was gathered about Astro-hungary and Russia and Serbia and when he did read it about a month after the war started he realized that Serbia was not to blame for the action of the Assassin he actually wrote something pretty moving in his diary about how he fucked up.
But if anybody is to blame there's a particular austro-hungary general who has one of the funniest quotes ever attributed to a person
" he's the worst kind of soldier stupid and relentlessly energetic" the same general had petition war with Serbia 26 times in his career.
yes house of Gotha's should have told their kraut family to stand down, shooting at same Germanic mutts to the North
I think it has to do with keep the formation so no body rush their first and left formation expore to enemy. beside do you think anyone think about gentleman when someone shoot at you and everyone around you getting kill?
Just grab it from the mirror posted in the video info. I don't think it can be bought on DVD in any country!
From the sides only? Across a 35 mile front?
My great grandfather was happy harvesting in a small town in Peru. LOL
The SS also had to use Czech weapons for the lack of german weapons(early war). As German production picked up the availiable surplus would trickle down to the SS.
Of course there were several points along the line.. But still, yes. A trench was defended only by two German machine-guns from the side (and those two killed far more enemies then 8 shooting from the front would have).
March towards machine guns, what a brilliant tactic!
where do i get the rest of this
Why weren't they allowed to run? Any good tactical reason?
1: Belgium was neutral, very little fortification.
2: the german arrived at the Marne river withing weeks after the invasion.
The move in Belgium was a attempt to outflank the french up until they were stoped at the marne.
In other words, the war wasen't always staled and/or static. most of the war was, but not always
War is a true Halloween. Not the fighting part, but the aftermath
You seem like a reasonable British person. I like how you are not biased towards the Irish, I am an Irish hrepunlican. Peace to you brother, between England and Ireland.
My Great Grandads were all in the Kings Own Yorkshire Light Infantry.
PLEASE tell me where can I buy this on DVD???
Actually, the 18th century tactics to which you refer to were not stupid, but effective. Because the firearms of the time were so inaccurate (at 100 yards 1 in 30 would hit the target!) and slow to load, they had to be used en masse to have any effect on the enemy. This meant for troops to use their firepower effectively they would have to advance to within 50 yards and fire together to have any damage on their targets. If used correctly it was devastating.
My Great uncle was there.
torn apart on his 21'st birthday.
still have a picture of him
RIP
So was my Great uncle, died from a bullet.
my great grandfather was there too! on the german side...
I'm Scottish, too. Hell yeah for Scotland! Love the Irish too (you bastards are HILARIOUS I love you) and the English know how to rock and roll. I have a Welsh friend. He's cool.
so your an american then ?
My Grandfather was also there,and more officers were killed in percentage , as the normal soldiers !
I shot 15 rounds out of my German Gew98 rifle and the sights started to become hard to adjust because of the heat, but these guys on the battlefield ahooting maybe 50 or more be to hard even with gloves
@TheSabbath8 Because if they run, they'll be exhausted once they enter the enemy trench and they're won't fight very well.
did that guy in the end die or was he injured the person who got shot
may sound a bit nerdy but couldnt help notice how most of the tommys had No4 Lee Enfeilds instead of the SMLE Lee Enfeild. The No4 didnt come in to use until 1944 but whatcha gonna do eh?
@jensypoops yes it is. its mr murdock from titanic! :)
Fair enough, I didn't know that. What are SBR's?
my greatgrand father and his brother served with the royal newfoundland regiment.
anyone know why the germans placed spikes on their helmet in the first place?, i know they took it out because it stuck out
that one general is the 1st officer from the movie titanic. "Why aren't they turning" I'd recognize that face anywhere. Just FYI
This looks fantastic, I wondered if it was the other recent reconstructive doco on Somme Id seen, but I think that was Defeat to Victory...great re-enactments.
What the name of the first music?
Get this. The brits were very worried about the ever increasing industrial might and growing fleet of Germany. Great Britain was still the world's leading power and had the most colonies. A bigger german fleet meant the germans could conquer british colonies. For you info the Tripple Entente was formed in 1905 and guaranteed the french,russians and the brits would be allies should a war break out with the central powers, which had been formed in the 1880's between Germany and A-H.
think you'll find i'm not as some of the weaponry was a good 20 years old, not to mention the fact he rejected the concept of tanks which caused great downfall, it was only in 1918 he began to shape up. Everyone knew it any many voiced it.
Can't help but notice that some of the men have Lee Enfield #4 rifles, and not the proper Mk 1 type that was used in WW1. Guess they couldn't find enough of them for the movie.
I've always admired the bravery of the British soldier. But how many of those both brave and trusting were needlessly sacrificed throughout history because their leaders had bad intel, ignored good intel, underestimated the enemy or just plain didn't care about the cost? Seems in this war stupidity was in direct proportion to rank.
Yes.
Most of the British where volonteers.
Incredible when you think of it.
Many young guys enrolled hiding their true age because they where too young.
They didn't know when they signed, that this war will be like this. So inhuman.
Brave, or unconscious guys ?
Surely both.
Remember on christmas eve...the day before they went over the top, they all had a big game of football, the Germans and British...
Ty i found it it is called (1/11) The Somme Just incase anyone else wanted to find it :) Ty again
Thanks for the info, ill look it up
hurray
I dunno if anyone noticed this but did anyone notice that the english are carrying the wrong rifles? They're supposed to be carrying No.1 MkIII Rifles which have ladder sights and a stock which goes all the way to the end or at least P-14 rifles but it looks like they are carrying the ww2 era No.4 Mk2rifle which is different and that they added a spacer on the end so they could use the ww1 bayonets with the ww2 rifles. I know aboutthe No.1 rifle becasue i own one from 1917.Otherwise good video
Anyone know how to get this DVD?
Assault in good order. Battle Tactics have changed. Loss of life in battle has not.
loss of life has changed are stupid?
william malmstrøm ?????
I think he means in terms of raw numbers, it has changed quite dramatically. Comparing World War 1 to Iraq and Afghanistan, for example. We have lost but a handful of soldiers compared to the millions lost during World WAr 1.
@TheSabbath8
the movie fails to show this properly but they were carrying 66lbs of equipment on average. And they were told to walk, too, because all the Germans were supposed to be dead by then..
i think that ww1 and the treaty of versailles is one of the reasons that ww2 happened.
the germans wanted revenge after that in my opinion unfair treaty.
Yes, of course ☹😟😢😭
The League of Nations was absolute garbage everything that happened after World War 1 was retarded and just begging to fall apart in Germany being held solely responsible for everything that happened with so many contributing factors is unbelievable and yes the Treaty of Versailles had a huge part to play in World War II but it's far from the biggest reason it was just a match that Lit a country made into a bonfire
Everything is in the video info ;) Or in short a docudrama from Channel 5 made in 2005
i thought it was british.. the uniforms and accent say it all
but seeing as this is part of a series, and canadians took part also, i would not doubt them being in the programme at some point. :)
Thought the same! "Come on.. Come on.. Turn!" xD
1차 세계대전은 병사들의 생명을 담보로한 워게임이었다고 생각합니다.
Did they actually stroll casually like this? Why not run like hell toward the target?
1.27 Clenching the muzzle of his No. 4 rifle ...