What in the World is "F" Scale???
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- čas přidán 21. 03. 2022
- So the question comes up, what scale is your railroad? Well, it's "F". F??? What is F?? There is a scale called "F"???
So its a story. In the early days of miniature railroads, modelers were concerned with track gauges. They wanted standard gauges of track. So their models could run on many model railroads. They were less interested in scale. They could build their model to any scale, as long as it ran on a standard gauge track.
Where it became complicated is with "standard" gauge prototypes. They were built to 4 feet 8 1/2 inches in gauge. WHY??? Well it seems, and there are many stories, the in the beginning in about 1800 trains were mostly built to five-foot gauge. BUT the problem is that there were different ways to measure that. Many measured from the center of the rail to the center of the opposing rail. The huge problem there was if you changed the size of the rail you also changed the real gauge, the space between the rails. Many measured their gauge from the inside of one rail to the inside of the other to solve this problem. But that made their five-foot gauge wider that the other railroad's five-foot gauge. At length, it was decided to measure the gauge at the inside edge of the rails, but keep the gauge of the five-foot railways which was five feet center to center. The inside edges of that gauge were four feet, eight and one-half inches. And so that became the "standard" gauge mostly around the world over time.
Enter the modelers. Now figuring out scales for a miniature railway where the standard miniature gauge is say, one and three-quarters of an inch and the prototype has a gauge of four feet, eight and one-half inches, well the scale comes out very odd. So they decided to use five feet as the standard prototype gauge to keep the math simple. That same one and three-quarters of an inch becomes 1:32 scale. Simple. But many modelers hated the compromise.
NOW enter narrow-gauge Prototypes that are say, meter gauge, or three-foot gauge. IF you want your meter gauge train to run on that same one and three-quarters inch gauge track, the scale needs to be 1:22.5 scale. (G scale) or if you want to run the three-foot gauge prototypes on that same #1 gauge track, that's 1:20.3 scale. OR, "F" Scale. See Simple... or not... - Jak na to + styl
Thank you for that, it just so happens that my stepdaughter just asked me that question a couple of nights ago only she wanted the answer in 15 words or less. She inherited her father's train collection which she is trying to sort out. (It is massive it took her two weeks to box it all up) I am going to have her watch this.
More coming soon. On that subject
Can you put all these scales side by side.... Would like to see all of these sitting next to each other
Yup. Its such a BIG subject. It would take a bunch of videos. But we should.
Before it all got stolen I was running 1:20.3 F scale also. Thanks for the video. :)
Yah feel your pain there.!!
Good stuff, Dale. I love to nerd out on this stuff as well. Something I didn't know that you explained was that the F was for "fine". Very cool.
In your Southern California years, did you ever see the outdoor 1/24 scale layout at the LA county fair? I grew up staring at that thing every year as a kid (as well as the indoor 2 rail O scale layout). Funny how these relatively rare scales (the outdoor one was super rare) are the layouts I saw every single year while growing up.
(The 1/24 outdoor layout was basically O scale on steroids - 1/24 scale, but the track was 2.5in gauge, which, as you'd know, makes it 5ft gauge).
I was in the Boy Scouts back in the 60's and one year we spent most of a week as part of a Scout demonstration at that fair. (in Pomona?) It didn't take long for us to get bored so any time we didn't have to stay at our demonstration camp we were off to explore. I spent hours looking at that outdoor layout. Another year I took a new girl friend to that same fair. She thought the trains were boring. We didn't stay together very long.
Trains. Ya love em or not. As a joint enterprise it’s great. Otherwise it’s grate.
Karyn, since you mentioned cookies. I think you should take your favorite CAKE, and scale it down to F-Scale and bake the cookies to scale. Dale (your Dale) needs some properly scaled cookies.
She already has. And cake. And pies. But it’s her burgers and fries that take the cake. Gee. We are back to 1:20.3 scale cake.
Super. Everybodys gauge is someone elses scale. 💙 T.E.N.
I've read cell phone contracts that are less confusing than Dale's explanation of F scale and G scale.
Explaining gauges and scales is something that requires illustrations and side-by-side examples.
Scale and gauge are easy.
Gauge is the distance between the inside faces of the rail.
Scale is the ratio of the size of the model to full scale.
We are 1:1 scale or, 1'=1'
Don't get caught up in overthinking it.
@@timothyboles6457 Yeah Yeah Yeah, you're missing my point.
@@wmtrader what am I missing?
This is easy stuff.
And Dale did a great job of explaining it.
Easy Peasy. Us slot car guys have been calling our true 1:64 scale Slot Cars (S-Scale in Model Railroad vernacular) HO scale (1:87 in Railroad vernacular) for almost 60 or so years. Understand completely! 👍👍😂😂
Faller used to make a Electric Train called E-Train and Play train (battery) that was G scale narrow gauge that ran on O gauge, they had a number of accessories and they were focused mainly on children though, They also had a train called hit train that was battery operated O gauge.
Thank you for the information. Have a great week
hi. And thanks!!
You forgot the OO/HO,and sundry off shoots,in narrow Guage variants! Also confusing,plus you add the N,variations!! Unlimited imagination,and 3D art forms!! Thank you for sharing your thoughts!! Thanks 😊!
Oh boy... I knew there was some weirdness with the larger scale railroads... now I understand the confusion that comes with it.
This explains why some of the garden railroads I've seen looked off with the mixmash of rolling stock scales.
There is a reason that "G" scale or gauge is called "goofy" gauge.
There are at least 7 or 8 scales on one gauge of track.
All trying to do different things
Yeah I'm confused but interested. Thanks again guys.
Thanks
Confusion reigns supreme! I wonder how many train enthusiasts actually know this stuff! 🚂🚂🚂🚂🚂🙏🏼
About 1.45% give or take .006%.
I'm still lost, but still excited about all sizes of scales. Sadly, I cannot remember what gauge that my Bachmann Yard Boss train set is. I just checked, it is "N" scale.
Thanks for the confusing video! 😕 😆
Confusing? Well.... not really. the key is knowing what I'm talking about before I explain it. That way you have that knowledge to fall back on when I say something confusing.
This is actually a good explanation of gauge and scale.
GAUGE is the distance between the inside faces of the rails. For #1 gauge, that happens to be 1 3/4".
Scale is the ratio to full size.
We are 1:1 scale.
@@ToyManTelevision this is actually one of the better explanations of this.
Most of the problem with people not understanding it is that we all tend to use SCALE and GAUGE interchangeably. Which is of course wrong. And creates the confusion.
After being a design drafter for 35 years or so, I work with scale all the time
Once people understand the difference of scale versus gauge. It's quite easy.
Hey Dale. I could really drive them all crazy with all the stuff I have;
N, HOn30, HOn3, HO, Sn2, Sn3, On30, On3, O
G, AND 7/8n2!!!
Ahhhh, don’t forget Nn3 😂😂
Very nice upload you put together thanks for sharing.
Thanks
@@ToyManTelevision Thanks very much for replying to my comment. It's nice to see other people's work to get idea to improve my Channel. Take care & stay safe.
Great video / information! Might have to watch it 100 times to get it all straight.
We are going to do some more. To confusing I think.
Some additional notes to your video, your models are actually known as Fn3, F scale 3 foot narrow gauge and when converted to metric F scale is 15 mm = 1 foot so using #1 gauge track which is gauged at 45 mm makes Fn3 scale models accurately scaled for the gauge of track being used. Also there a a few small manufacturers of F scale Standard Gauge models and track which uses 2.78” or 70.6 mm gauge track.
Really?! Who are they? I must know!
I have seen people take the Connie locomotive that we are currently working on, and rebuild that to F standard gauge. I suppose any outside frame FN3 locomotive could be converted to standard gauge. It wouldn’t be simple! You need to fabricate drivers and side gear.
Hey,the prototype did it
CONTINUED- The DRG&W,converted some 2-8-0's,from standard,to narrow Guage 2-8-2's,outside frame! The Chinese also converted narrow Guage 2-8-0's,to standard,then to to top that off,when the GWR[England],did their Guage conversion from 7 foot to standard,they had in inventory,convertible engines,standard Guage in 7 foot frames,and basically lifted the boiler,put new frames underneath,and away they went! Short history,and hope it helps!! Thanks for your attention ☺️!!
I model in 16mm scale (16mm to the foot) popular in England because it works out to 2ft gauge on O, 32mm gauge track. I work in gauge 1 (45mm gauge) 16mm scale so it works out to around 30 inch gauge (prototype I made up had a gauge of 32 5/8" this works out to around 16.5mm to 1ft so pretty close). Although I'm using live steam so scale is a loose figure, if it looks good and works it goes!
I'm thinking of calling it C scale for Confusing.
Like HOe. A bit odd. But a lot interesting and FUN.
Say what! Good video and a treat explanation of how the scales came to be. I model in N, so the level of detail is not as important to me. I figure I get more train in less space. Never boring, always unique and interesting.
Hi N is GREAT for class A modern railroading. You can actually model a canyon with a long train snaking through it. AND it can be made to run well.
N scale has its own scale discrepancies. North American trains are 1:160, while British N scale is 1:148. I collect Japanese N scale, which all by itself is split into 1:160 for Shinkansen, and 1:150 for conventional trains, due to the conventional Japanese system being narrow gauge (3-foot, 6-inch).
@@atshinkansen7439 Understand besides what is a ratio between friends?
I also mix in 1:144 structures, vehicles, and scenery items, as well. At that size, the difference is hardly noticeable, at least to me.
@@atshinkansen7439 At that size close is close enough. Now don’t get me wrong one can go over board.
I have an HO (OO in Europe) crude unit that I am going to kit bash into a large N scale crude unit. Also scratch build a vacuum column.
Good explanation, Dale. You didn't mention 7/8ths n2 (or SEn2)....7/8ths scale trains that run on #1 gauge track, but oh well.
Well that’s coming
Oh my goodness. LOL I was dazed and confuzzled before I watched this LOL had a blast all the same LOL see ya!
Hi. And thanks again
Excellent explanation. 👍
Thanks!! Some people didn’t get it. But I think it’s logical
@@ToyManTelevision There's no other way to explain it. The way you explained it is the way it is so anyone confused just needs to watch the video and listen to what you say until they understand. They're probably confused because it was so much information at once in a short period of time. I'll probably watch it again to make sure I caught it all correctly. 👍
You guys r a hoot. Reminds me of my folks
Thanks!!!!
Completely get the “glazy” look...I try explaining dual gauge to people at train shows when they look at my track work 😂😂😂. Here in the South it’s...” at air N gauge?” No, it’s HOn3 Narrow Gauge...huh???! Don’t N scale run on it? No....here a little history lesson...nope, still don’t get it! 😂😂😂 I love F scale...unfortunately no room inside or outside...live on side of a horse’s face 😁 thanks for sharing...love talking bout scales and gauges, most folks don’t know the difference. Speaking of scale and gauge...I don’t say HO or N “gauge...it’s scale and gauge is between the rails 🙄🙄😠😖😬😂😂
We’re planning to do a whole bunch of these. People really like it even though they find it incredibly confusing. I find it confusing! But the more I find out about it the more confused I get, therefore the more I read about it, therefore the more interesting it becomes!
Well, not only am I _confused,_ that's 8 minutes 40 seconds I'll never get back...😉 .
😆😆😆😆😆
So what “garden” scale offers the most options as far as locomotives, rolling stock, accessories and buildings etc.?
I’d say at this point F. FN3. But G is also good. And in many circumstances they can look ok together. But the F scale from Bachmann Spectrum and Accucraft (AMS) is a great selection and great quality. Most of the suppliers of G scale of gone out of business. LGB has come back but the G scale product line from them is more limited.
Search for Tom Millers F scale model RR if you want to see F scale in jaw dropping beauty.
Dale: Thanks so much for this detailed information, but you did not touch on standard gauge and narrow gauge with the same scale, with each having a different gauge. Since 1987, I model G scale at 22.5 to 1, both SG and NG, much of it running on dual gauge track. Hyce did a video of my layout recently and you can see the size difference between NG and SG sitting side by side. Of course my NG is 1 and 3/4" gauge, meter gauge depicting 3 feet between the rails and the SG is 2.5" depicting 4' 8 1/2" between the rails. I refer my SG as Gauge 3 equipment. I think you should have some F standard gauge on your layout so that folks can see the difference between NG and SG trains of the same scale. Most folks are so use to looking at HO models, that when they see my G scale NG equipment, they think it is so big, until I bring out the UP Big Boy, at almost 6 feet long and sit it next to a NG Rio Grande C16! It is a real eye opening experience for them! Thanks so much for all you do for the model railroad hobby! Barry Bogs MMR
Are you In Huston? I’ve seen an amazing railroad on video there. Same size. All F scale. Love to see your railroad!
Dangell. At. X mission. Dot. Com.
The only 3 gauges I've ever even seen in life are "O" is it 27? gauage 3 rail Lionel, HO and N scales, lol. I had the 3 rail O-27 as a child with my Lionel set on a sheet of 4x8 plywood when I was a small child in 1971, then in my teens I had HO scale as that was all the local department store carried. I say "local"...it was 11 miles to town, lol, and that was the big town in the County with a population of 6,300. About 12 years ago I was at a friend's house and he had an N scaled layout on his dining room table. Now, I have also seen that large scale with the plastic track that goes around a Christmas tree and runs on batteries at dept. stores over the years but didn't even know if it had a name for it's gauge. Now in middle age I thought I might make me a small layout in the O-27 I once had as a small child but either we were really wealthy back then and I didn't know it or the price of those things have went up dramatically since then while I grew to be much more frugal, lol. Either way I've simply decided...Better to watch other people play with this stuff on youtube than to buy it myself :) I've already got two hobbies that keep me poor and without much space as it is. Restoring tube radios and hand crank record players. :)
O 27 is Lionel O gauge but with sharp 27inch curves. The O27 trains work in those turns. The regular Lionel can’t get through them.
Edison rocks! Have a big upright one. Anyway my uncle gave me brother and I a o gauge Lionel on a 4x8. With a truss bridge and a crossing. It was amazing
@@ToyManTelevision I'm not sure if mine was O or O27 then, but I'd guess O27 because the 4' sides of the plywood had short straight sections on them between each turn although it seemed like the steam locos on it were pretty big...but what isn't big to a toddler? The track was that silvery stuff with 3 to 5 "ties" on each piece that were sort of rounded hollow rails that just plugged into each other and the transformer was a black metal box with a chicken foot knob on top of it, the "top" being at an angle. I remember if I turned the knob too high the trains would derail going around the curbs, literally flying off the tracks. My neighbor had a set also and he had the bridge and trestle. I think mine was just a diamond in the middle but it did have signal tower, telegraph poles and a few other odds and ends.
@@ToyManTelevision My upright is a 1917 Brunswick but it has a unique (to it's brand) 3 position reproducer that can hold 3 different style needles. One for Edison diamond discs, one for Pathe' records and a standard one for regular 78's it also has a semi-automatic braking system which is a lever that you have to set manually for each record. The reproducer's arm will then trip the lever at the end of the recording and it will engage the brake...I guess in case you weren't paying close attention to it and would have let the spring run all the way down. There's a small hole on the side of the cabinet behind the crank handle which held a knob and a shaft with a "sock" on the end to muffle the horn speaker for volume control by literally "putting a sock in it". Sadly it is missing the knob and shaft.
DAAAA ...MY TRAIN HURTS...IF I ONLY HAD A BRAIN.
The straw man was the smart one. Never believe common knowledge.
I am confused, however, I model in On30!
All I have to say is, "If you say so.". Lol I was confused before, now I'm really confused. Thanks for sharing this and really confusing us. I guess the three trains you showed all run on the same track?
Has the song says I think we need to start over. And as the other song says let’s start at the very beginning a very good place to start! So I think we need to dig out Trevithick‘s Penny Daren. And explain its gauge
And to add to the confusion some more, some folks who are building in either F or G scale are using 1/2" scale for their structures because then they can use 1/2" doll house details and architect supplies to build with.
Usually works.ours are a mix. Even smaller. Forced prospective. And when done right it’s great.
I have been searching for a while but cannot seem to remember the title of the video, I'm currently trying to find the guy who's layout you filmed that was in f scale that he then built standard gauge on top of so it was just totally oversized
An interesting video. I have some G scale locos but now I wonder if they might technically be F scale.
If there Bachman they are probably more likely to be F. If they are LGB, they are likely to be G. If they are USA trans they may be half inch scale or they may be G. If they are Accu craft or AML they are probably F. But early narrow gauge Accucraft is G. However they marketed it as 1/2” scale. It’s a confusing mess isn’t it?
@@ToyManTelevision Yeah. Still good to get the run down on what each scale is really made by each company, cheers :)
My head hurts.
+ToyMan *As with scale railroads, so with scale aircraft: 1/32 Scale is supported across the hobby trade. 1/20.3 Scale? Only among railfans -- I've yet to do an F-Scale aircraft build.*
The way we ended up with 4 feet 81/2 inch is a good story. But the decision to do that has made model railroading a mess. Worse the compromising of the gauge to five feet for the original scales in 1896? Really messed things up. Over 120 years later and we are still trying to work that out.
Thank you for the explanation for those who don’t know! Have you done any research on F Scale standard gauge, which is pretty close to Gauge 3? My backyard railroad is dual gauge F Scale, essentially standard and narrow gauge. On my channel I have a video I made showing a passengers’ eye view on this type of model railroad that turns out to be pretty rare. Thanks again.
Love that!!!!! We are rebuilding “Connie” locomotives just now. Three of them. And one trick some have done is change these to an inside frame standard gauge F scale
I’ve been following your progress! Very cool locomotives. If you’re in Carson City for the Great Western Steamup this 4th of July you’re welcome to stop by and check out my layout. Good look with the Connies!
@@FlakusCorporation we are going to be there! Are you on Facebook? You could send some pictures and stuff. I’m Dale more to come. Need to confuse the bots.
Angell. Not Angel. But let’s confuse the bots. Anyway last name angell.
Let’s make it more confusing.
G-Scale and G-Gauge are not the same especially with so many different train sizes running 45mm.
I am thoroughly confused. So I’ll just ask what the “F” is that. Lol
LOL
Ookayyyy... 😱 [🤣🤣] Confused it is my friends.
Its a bit confusing... We need to start over.
Just kidding. "F" Scale is essentially based upon 4' 8-1/2" ?
Ok F scale. Lets have a layout combination of F Scale and the F Scale has a house with a garden railroad. The garden railroad would have to use N scale equipment. Then to undermine this have a model of London's rapid transit tubes. Call it U scale.
When you combine it, you would have to do it right. How, well 1. F Scale, the big stuff, 2. U, the underground 3. N the little stuff. What would you get. A F U N layout. LOL
I love this, and am now tempted to do this.
A 7.5 inch live steam railroad in F scale would be really really close to 9mm or N scale. A 1:20.3 scale railroad in 1:20.3 would be 1:412 scale. Or about half Z scale. NOW. There are models in that scale!! But OMG.
Could you go through that again I got lost at O scale please 👍👍
We will start over. At the very beginning. It’s a hard subject
The "G" was for the German word Gross, which means "big" in English. It was never meant for "Garden", Americans did that part.
I’m pretty sure it was intended to represent Garden railway. As that was their intention in 1968 when they introduced the Stan’s locomotive.
Ohhhhh, poor two foot gauge got left out! 😂😂 and 15” gauge...I know I’m missing another gauge outta all this stuff 🙄🙄
It’s coming soon.
well i find it hard to find affordable 1:20.3 stuff, for my 2 1:20.3 Bachmanns to pull.
I had 4 nice Bachmann box cars, but they got stolen.
Dang.
Thank-you for the headache! (Lol jk) But seriously it was cool to learn how scales came into play.
Thanks for watching. More on this “boring” subject soon
@@ToyManTelevision It wasn't boring at all! I enjiyed it just confusing a bit.
F Scale can be cnastude as 'Flaming Big ' or Flipping Enormous 'you need a lot of space .
I love it but geeeezzzz. Takes 10 feet minimum to turn around. A shelf layout works.
I'm not bored but I'm very confused. I hope i get some cookies from Karen.
Nice video. I'm the kinda guy that shown something, I have to understand it. So, I've already watched it twice and I can tell there's gonna have to be some cross referencing done to grasp the concepts involved. Scale and guage. Scale is the reduction in relation to prototype. 40' box car in HO scale is 1/87 of 40'. Guage relates to the track size, correct? As I understand it, different scales can/do run on same guage track. Is that do to ease of manufacturing? I know in reality that different guage track existed sometimes within the same railroad. Are H/O scale trains run on 'Propper' track size, 1/87th? Is your 'F' scale running on propper scale track or are you constrained to what is available within the industry. In other words would you have to hand lay your track for it to be the same scale as 'F'? Do to the time period are you using Narrow guage track?
The other observation I have is the three rail Lionel track. My Dad had alot of this that had been passed down. He'd do the 'Christmas' layout every year. To me it didn't seem very realistic, but his use was an emotional attachment to it. When he started buying and modeling his own, he chose HO. When I started I chose N scale, mostly because of space. But if you're going to spend $1,000.00 for a locomotive, I'd want it to run on two rail. I know the three rail system makes it easier on wiring. With Lionel is changing to 2 rail that complicated? Is the choice between 2 and 3 rail equal in cost? I digress....have a great day!
A lot of the confusion comes from large scale railroading. There is a long-standing tradition in the larger scales to work with a known gauge, and then modify the scale to fit the track. So if you want to make a narrow gauge train you make it in a larger scale. A standard gauge train Hass to be done to a smaller scale. The track remains the same size, but the trans them selves change size depending on the gauge of the prototype. This is madness! But it is always the way it has been done in the larger scales. In HO The scale always remains the same. 1/87. A standard gauge train will run on one side of track, a narrow gauge train on another size of track. But the scale always remains the same. The same holds true of Proto 48 scale. The scale is always 148, and then the track is gaged to the appropriate size for the model. It’s 3 foot gauge train is therefore gaged to 3/4 of an inch. And so on.
Thanks for the talk video is there a H scale
Zero is 1/43.5 (France and UK), Null is 1/45 (rest of Europe) and O is 1/48. But British try to confuse everyone with 7mm (to the foot)!
Holy krap am i so old i had HO scale....
Me too. And N. And O. And HOn3 and…..
Ok time for 7/8th"!!! Lol and 1:29!! Lol
How to really screw people up
So, in reality, The track gauge is "Meter" gauge? No matter which, everything else is sizing the rolling stock etc. to make the track gauge fit the "scale" that you are modeling? Additionally, the lower the "scale" number size, the larger the physical size of the model.
Here's a bit more confusion; Ho scale is 1/2 of "O" scale (approximately) but HO is 1/4 the SIZE of "O" scale. Then the business of 1/48 versus 1/4 inch, that being 1/48 is 1 foot equals 48 feet and 1/4 inch is 1 /4 inch equals 1 foot. (exactly the same "SIZE"). OH boy.
Model cars are usually 1/24 or 1/25 (about 1/8 scale?). Then there are the in between scales, like "S" (American Flyer) which is 3/32 scale and is 1/64 or 1 foot equals 64 feet. OH my aching head. The differences between standard and the various narrow gauges comes into play too .
Folks need to view the video that you made a few years ago, where you went to great pains to explain all the differences, especially between gauge and scale.
It all is really quite simple, but confusing, until you understand gauge versus scale, versus size. That is where the light comes on in your head and everything begins to make sense. ;-)
Going to make some more videos. Starting at the beginning with prototype gauges.
@@ToyManTelevision It wasn't until I saw your original video on this subject that I had any understanding of it. It was very eye opening, for me. ;-)
Fn3
My head hurts 🤣
Me too. But it’s pollen. Allergy.
OH DEAR! New scale: "D" scale for OH DEAR!
Is there a published 'chart' that shows all of these scales?
Yup. But still confusing. I think we need to start at the beginning and explain why the gauge is 4 feet 81/2 inches. And why so many use 5 feet.
@@ToyManTelevision because..we had more Wagons & Wagon trails than "They did Dale" 👍 😊
Great! 🤔 I think ¿ but your the best 🤣🤣 👌 thanks like your wife hummmm,, take care 🙂
HI!! Are you well?? Hope doing much better. Sooo. This was confusing. Trying to explain scale is tricky. trying to explain gauge is also tricky. Bring the two together and..
@@ToyManTelevision yes sir doing much its been a long road but im to still be here
Interesting. I would've thought F was used because it's next to G in the alphabet, and the F scale trains are the next scale over from G scale. I never knew it stood for fine scale, even though I have heard that term used as well. But, I don't hear either one very often and thought F scale at least had fallen out of use.
I mean, there is no separate letter for 1:24, 1:29, or 1:32, so it seems odd that just 1:20.3 gets the special treatment.
I had recently heard the REAL reason LGB called it G scale was because G stood for gross, which is large or big in German, and that us Americans thinking it stood for garden is a misnomer.
As I understand it, 1:20.3 and 1:32 are the most accurate for narrow gauge and standard gauge respectively, and anything else is a cheat.
I don't own any of either, though, haha. Mine is all 1:22.5, 1:24, and 1:29. Most of the stuff looks OK together to me, since the 1:22.5 is larger models of narrow gauge trains, and 1:29 is smaller models of standard gauge trains.
A lot of people don't realize how much real engines and cars of even the same gauge varied greatly in size, as well.
1:29 is A scale ( created by Aristocaft ) . 1:32 is #1 scale .
We are going to do several more of these. The story behind A scale, 1:29 scale. Hint: multiply 29 times 3. Actually standard gauge on #1 gauge track should scale to 1:32.29. So 1:32
Is just a touch off. By exactly the width of the rail. Not a coincidence.
I guess at my age, I choose to continue to be "technically incorrect". But thanks.
G doesn't mean garden at all. If you ever read an old LGB catalogue it means "Gross" (Lehman Gross Bahn) or Lehman Big Road/Train. G = Gross!
In the Sacramento railroad museum there is a H scale is that right?
Don’t know of that…
What was that scale you use again?
F. Well on the railroad mostly. But also lots of older 1/2” scale. And a bunch of G scale. Also I have all my older HO and O scale. But no layouts any more.
Yes, you reached your goal 😕🤔😕
My model railroad was HO scale that is 1:87
It's simple. they should have made the track fit the scale, not the scale fit the track. It would have saved a lot of confusion. Every thing would be 1 inch, half inch, quarter inch, etc. If the Germans wanted metric, let them.
Yup. Soon after the birth of the numbered gauges, HO scale came along. The original plan was to create a scale at half O. Or 1:96 scale. BUt they decided to create a scale that fit the gauge and then STICK TO IT. 1:87th. So the scale and gauge are accurate.
So then where do you buy your rolling stock and locomotives?
ebay. Mostly. Nothing is made any more... Well Accucraft does.. anyway we mostly buy from Al on ebay. ana.kramer But also Hans at Gold Coast Station. He's in california but has a great web site.. Mostly we just cal him with a wish list. But hundreds of ebay sellers.
@@ToyManTelevision Neat. Ebay is where I've been getting my engines, they're somewhat inexpensive DC models in HO scale, mostly AHM, ICH, and a small assortment of other brands
Ya buy them at the F store...I’m sorry, having to much fun with this! 😂😂
LOL
So F scale means Fine Scale. Bachmann has been calling it G scale since the scale was first invented. Boy how wrong were they. I just call it large scale.
The "Large Scale" is my exact confusion. I see "Large Scale" locomotives advertised in my "Model Railroader" magazine and wonder WHAT SCALE IS IT. Maybe it is "G".
So what scale is your railroad again? Lol JK
Where do I get the F scale locos
eBay. Expensive brass at Accucraft. On line. But Bachmann Spectrum is only out there used. And usually not listed as F. Sometimes miss labeled as G. Search eBay for large scale Bachmann. Then look for Spectrum locomotives not Big Hauler. Only Spectrum is accurate F scale.
How much do they cost?
@@mrsaturngamingandstories depends. The “Connie” I just bought was $450. With sound and DCC. There’s a new three truck Shay on eBay with sound right now for $1400. To high. Will not sell at that price. Also a 4-4-0 for $450. But unless it’s got sound and new gears not worth that. The 2-6-0 is around new for about $500. No sound. None listed just now but the big dealers on eBay still have them so they will b back. One of the best Bachmann’s ever built.
Holy F scale!!!
Thanks again. !! More on scales. Soon. Cause it’s fun. We think!
A ..is for. Apple..J ..is for Jacks..Cinnamon toasty Apple.Jacks..got it..:-)
Apple jacks..
@@ToyManTelevisionDale traveling this weekend? OH is that email in your" About page" a good way to message you??
So whay is HO scale?
Well in the 20’s they decided to get it right for a change. So in making a scale/gauge Half O (HO) they got it right. 1:87 scale. .65” gauge. Accurate for a change!! And in the 50’s it became the most popular scale.
So what’s your HO scale trains are 😉😉
HO is 1:86 scale. HO is great because its mostly accurate.
And you didn't even cover the Fn3, or "Effen Three..." Also, O scale is five feet instead of 4'8" (Proto). Why is N scale 1:160 and Z scale is 1:220 (not 1:320). I blame all of this on the British. They're always getting in trouble. :)
Comprising. If it ain’t broke tear it apart and alter it until it’s incapable of being fixed.
Couldn’t you call that Gn3?
Not really. G is technically 1/22.5 scale meter gauge. It’s all 45mm track. So 3 foot gauge is 1/20.3. Or F.
@@ToyManTelevision ok so if a hypothetical Gn3 scale did exist, the track would be narrower than regular G scale track but the locomotives and rolling stock would still be G scale, would that be correct?
i model 1:29th sale
We need to follow up with that. Interesting how and why 1:29
@@ToyManTelevision well i model standard gauge and most manufacturs make models in 1:29 not 1:32
What about F-sharp scale? 🤣
Sounds like L.
Have you taken a micrometer to your equipment to make sure all the parts are true F scale? Just sayin'! 😉
yup. And sure, nothing is accurate. Proto 48 is accurate. USUALLY.
@@ToyManTelevision Don't feel bad, the wheel faces on my HO equipment are 18 inches wide and the flanges are 9 inches deep.
If it was prototypical, they'd never derail, but the ride would be bumpy - unless, of course, they used foot-high code 100 rail! 😁