The DEVS Have DELETED Hanzo in Overwatch 2 (I'm pissed)
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#Overwatch - Hry
If I’m being honest, I don’t think Hanzo is necessarily bad or a throw pick. Neither is Genji. The issue is that their gameplay loop doesn’t match their identity anymore and it feels like ass. Their highs don’t reward dopamine, and their lows make you suicidal. Genji is a jackknife to force out ultimates and cds without kills, and Hanzo is basically shield/tankbuster at best. They’re just unfun playstyles.
True and they aren't even the best at it, Tracer can do the same as Genji, but better and Junkrat does the same as Hanzo, but better
They definitely aren’t especially genji if you watched any of the pro matches genji has been used all day
@Joshuak2k4 pretty sure the OP is talking about regular comp, not the pro scene, every character can be played at an insane level there
@Joshuak2k4 pro matches are completely different from the average player. Even top 500 players are babies compared to owl
@@h2o684 absolutely not you won’t see a character at top level if they aren’t good genji is a good character and his pick rate at the high levels shows that same with mccree venture tracer and others as such
Nah I think it’s way healthier for the game when sojourn is at least top 3 dps in the game for 10 seasons in a row :DDDDD
ur right ppl need to understand this
Devs are mentally handicapped
nerfing black character is considered racism at blizzard HQ
@@ArmyofDrag343But sexually assaulting them isn’t apparently😂
Baptiste has gotten nerfed multiple times... Race baiting at it's finest 😂@@ArmyofDrag343
The fact Arrge is still playing hanzo on top of the stream snipers and throwers is insane
Hes been talking about the pain but hes just dedicated frustration but he loves the character
@@byejayeArrge is making Hanzo work but the amount of fun he’s having and the excitement of the plays is at an all time low.
he plays it because he always has a mercy pocket XD
@user-mh7hr2xk2tLiterally the only way for him to confirm kills with headshots lol
@user-mh7hr2xk2t it's the only way to get value out of hanzo at that high of a rank.
Hanzo and Genji are practically demigods in Japanese mythology but are weaker than mf beep boop and cowboy man
I mean, in a game like this you have to power scale everything; imagine Super Smash Bros if every character was their lore power: good luck Olimar, lol. But the problem is they just erased what made Hanzo unique and pickable. He is just a worse, RNG Cassidy, and has no reason to be chosen anymore. The headshots were the thing *preventing* Hanzos from just playing for RNG; if you got a headshot it was because you were actually playing smart about what angles people were peeking or properly led the arrow to secure a kill on an unsuspecting target. Now he just "pew pew"s but at a dramatically slower fire rate and way less inconsistent than Cass. The only thing he can do better than Cass is wall-climb, but that is such a terrible tradeoff for the actual ability to meaningfully engage in the game.
@@Aurora12488smash is a bad example with Bayonetta doing combos like she does in her own game.
@@KingofDMC19 No, it's not a bad example, you just missed the point lol. Olimar is an ant-sized guy that throws sentient vegetables. Sephiroth is essentially a god that causes a supernova as an ultimate. Their moves can be accurate to the lore, but their power can't be or the game is broken. So there's nothing wrong with a cowboy and demigods being balanced to be near each other, as long as they're both fun and rewarding and unique.
@@Aurora12488 but... Smash is broken, is why the pros cry about it being broken lol.
The power fantasy is there in smash and a lot of not all of the characters are pretty code to being lore accurate.
Man Soldier needs a nerf ASAP like right now, yesterday in match a Soldier had 70 kills, 70 kills in console wtf , im not sure if he was a smurf but he was destroying the entire team. This has been happening for several weeks now, my only counter was a Bastion a luckily a had a Marcy healing me , so who knows star so happening 😮
The shimada brothers did not deserve this treatment
I love shitting on genji and hanzo mains. Most of them are try hard edgelords that picked these two heroes up thinking they are main characters because of their exquisitely made trailers.
Feels good pushing their faces into manure, and blizzard has only made it easier and easier 🤣🤣🤣
Don’t you like it when you can pick a significantly more trivial hero, in terms of mechanics, and just undo hundreds of hours worth of training 💀
I don’t play for the struggle, I play for pissing players off
If you need to know, I’m an echo main. This is all thanks to Samito’s guides and gameplay 😎
@@giraffeorganicNice rage bait 🖕🏼
@@giraffeorganic I have 300 hours on genji personally and I have to drop him because of how bad he is rn, picking up tracer and echo
@@giraffeorganic😡😡, i wholeheartedly agree with this statement (i am the genji player)
@@giraffeorganic You sound sick in the head
Devs are all support mains, that's why
Illari makes me mald. It's disgusting that she has a fire and forget playstyle in terms of healing.
Exactly !
Don’t forget hog and mauga players
@@Crusty_Swordbruh that ain’t even true you just suck at dealing with those characters seems like a skill issue
hog? Now that's a skill issue lmao
I hate the devs for this.They ruined my main hero
True, back in olddays the dink made me feel I achieved a difficult task,but now? Every dink it's like Dev are laughing at me.
I love playing Rematra cauee his ult says it all for hwat they and the trash players that had his one shot removed "SUFFER AS I HAVE!"
@@TheUnseenKrablol fr
@GAVIN760101 ik, I hate it much more than anyone else.I have been complaining since day 1 of trash season 9
yeah not coming back to this game anytime, not with hanzo being worse and worse like this
Those misconceptions about Hanzo are being solidified by the bronze peak devs
More like cardboard 5 devs
As a hanzo one trick it is soul cleansing to watch someone who knows what they're talking about stand up for him, i wanna also point out the dev's response to arrge's question on the reddit thing was basically, "hanzo is strong because he can spam down armoured targets" as if the hanzo player base wants to play reapanzo.
Why are we okay with these hitbox changes. Revert it back, content creators please have backlash on it so we can get these hp and hitbox changes reversed
Idk why hanzo still has the same sniper drawbacks like no pre charge before wall climb, movement penalty when drawing an arrow, and charge shot in general when he is a mid range character like cassidy. If hes a sniper he needs a one shot, if hes not then remove the sniper drawbacks.
Exactly it makes no sense for him to have a horrible ttk in mid range
amen!
It's real incorrect how people call him a sniper he's definitely mid range. Sniping from long range is super unrealiable due to his very slow traveling arrows. 2018-19 hanzo with the faster arrows and 1 shot was more a sniper and very fun to play.
Hanzo got sent to the Shadow Realm.
Turned Hanzo from a hero who rewarded precise and consistent primary fire usage to perform well to a braindead storm arrows bot who tickles hp bars with primary fire with a 1000 year long ttk.
'Precise' is very generous lol
@@adamjames8419Not at all, I think it is very accurate to the character at high level play.
Hanzo takes a lot of skill both aim and mechanics literally sayin he he's at the level of Brig or the other brain dead characters is just people copin
and the larger projectiles are so dumb. and only register as a headshot if you hit above eye level because they run into the arm/chest hit box first
Near lethal damage single shots is "tickling health bars". You are delusional. Does he need quality of life improvements? Absolutely, but you also need to stop being a drama queen.
The most unsatysfying feeling after the changes done to hanzo is hitting juicy trickshot on pharamacys head and she just casually flies away every time on 5hp beeing healed back to full insta, even 3 tapping pharah to the body is outrageous...
So sad that Mercy Ult going pistol only is better than Hanzo Ult.
Ow 1: I ulted, got 2 kills and split the backline from their team
Ow 2: i forced immo
Can't break it tho. It's outta LOS
13:00 from jack of all trades to john of no trades
From jack of all trades to Jake from Statefarm
FOR REAL SAMITO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR TALKING ABOUT THIS !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hanzo was the character that rewarded you for putting time into it and you saw the results. i wouldn't have stuck with overwatch as a game if it wasn't for this character. I spend 300 hours 1 tricking hanzo and all that time i spent becoming skillful at him and all of that is just lost with season 9 hitboxes and the fact you can't 1 shot anyone (talk about deleting the skill ceiling of a character). I really wish i spent the 300 hours 1 tricking widow because at least i can get rewarded by my skill.
Literally my least played hero, turned off the crosshair completely and oneshotted almost everything. This hero needs zero skill
Real talk dude i didn't put time into but i loved playing him and Genji every so often and to fight against. Now I just pray whoever started those no on shot trends to never escape low bronze.
@@lawrence9713Metal?
@@lawrence9713cap
@@lawrence9713Was that in a dream of yours?
ventures ult destroys lamp lol
which is crazy cause its floating in the air
wait thats ridiculous lmaoo damn
Imagine if game rewarded you for being accurate with your shots, for example if his E cooldown was reduced just like Junker Queen axe works, so if you can hit all shots it fully resets, that would make him do a lot of burst dmg, but require a lot of skill to pop off without "lucky headshots across the map"
imo if they dont want to bring his one shot back, they need to rework his entire kit. they could make him have different types of arrows, like fire or poison arrow that does DOT, or a ice arrow that slows or electric arrow that stun the enemy. or something.
Hanzo feels like projectile ashe. You need multiple shots or damage boost to kill anything.
Hitting headshots up close to clinch a 1v1 felt so good in ow1 and before the damage nerf in ow2.
Hanzo was the first time I really got addicted to the game. Playing till 3am every night. Arrge got me hooked. It was my first golden gun purchase. And now… Shame on the Shimadas… 😢
At least when playing against a Hanzo I don't have to alter my playstyle or swap heroes that much to get around him. A good Widow is so oppressive their mere presence can tilt a team to a loss.
Sombra is just destroying widow right now, I mean strong sombra who can hit in head
And now the community is gaslighting that junkrat just "hits random shots" even in high elo (somehow) and now devs just keep him in the gutter. People just think that if someone knows how to project a trajectory of an ability, instead of just pressing head, that it's just luck.
It's a grenade launcher....not really supposed to be accurate lmao it's just piss poor timing and them walking in a straight while the junkrat is just spamming down lane.
Junkrat is never fun to play against bro, him being strong never makes the game more fun. People aren't saying junk should be nerfed because he's strong but because he's miserable to play against
@@nickkelly3199With heroes some are just not going to be fun to play against. Sombra is the best example of this. She has the most annoying and one of the easiest play styles in the game. She makes games miserable and is toxic as hell in 5v5. I would LOVE if they just NUKED SOMBRA. Thing is though just like Junkrat if sombra gets nerfed they go from being Good/Decent to unrewarding to play
Does anyone deny that there are ~3 crazy high Eli junkrat players?
I think the sentiment is just that they don't tip the scales for every other junk spambot players see.
@@jacobbaartz7710 Yeah because sadly that is all Junk was reduced too. In overwatch 1 you could tell if a Junkrat was bad if he spammed to much and didn’t go for mine kills. Nowadays going for those mine kills is most of the time not worth the hassle since they removed his one two combo (I am not saying I want that combo back). Just that spam is really his only thing he has now. Obviously their are plays you could do like those elite Junkrats but that play style is not encouraged.
They should start calling projectile heroes prediction heroes cause you need to guess where enemy will be not where enemy is
That's stupid.
@@AzureRoxe nope, thats how projectiles work dude
@@AzureRoxe Thats legit how projectile works
Pretty much. You have to be straight better at the game. You need better understanding of movement speed, distance, cool downs, ability displacement, arrow hit box, arrow drop, and geometry for bounced shots. On top of having to be accurate like one would with a hitscan.
Thank you so much for talking about this and to you and Arrge for playing him. What people do not understand either about Hanzo is that he required significant warm up, practice, and discipline if you wanted to "pop off" and perform on par with hit scan that still requires no where near that level of dedication.
The loss of the oneshot feels awful, but I'd argue the change of 2 bodyshots kill to 3 bodyshots kill is even more absurd.
Some of the harderst characters to hit such as tracer and sojourn have some absurd hitbox manipulation when A-D strafing. Hitting headshots on them consistently even with great aim is hard at close range and nearly impossible at mid to long range.
Because of this, it can be beneficial to aim for their legs since the hitbox there is not just wider, but also remains at least somewhat in the same place during an A-D strafe.
When it took 2 bodyshots to kill them, by the time you hit your second shot, you would usually survive with a sliver of health. How are you supposed to survive the time it takes to charge, fire, and wait for the travel of an entire additional arrow?
Not to mention the additional time you give heroes to recover abilities that could turn the fight in their favor.
Hanzo main from ow1. Hes no longer fun or viable. Look at the top leaderboards. The only person who can get use out of Hanzo is Happy. Everything else is sojourn/tracer. I cant even duel an illari on Hanzo.
Not a single reason why hanzos ULTIMATE cant destroy deployables
But moira can suck the soul out of torbs turret makes sense blizz.
His ult is super useless anyway even if it did. His ult needs a rework.
The Dragon only attacks the soul of its enemies
@@JohnIvoryMusicyeah but it can kill a bastion. Nice one pal stop trynna use lore to defend bad balance
@@kash125 he’s literally a sentient machine he has a soul
Meanwhile god hog has a 1 shot hook on a 6 second CD. 800 HP. Self heal that can live through pretty much every damage source in the game without any support. An ultimate that can burst down any tank in the game in less than 2 seconds, other than sigma and DVA. And a CC that literally slows enemies down to the point they might aswell be stunned. Devs are literally smoking crack. Game is so bad now. They favor like 6 or 7 heros and have favored these heros for like 2 years now.
such a damn shame. even if he was a throw pick back in 2016/17 at least he was fun. new hanzo is just straight cheeks lmao. not playing the game until the character gets fixed. F
Hanzo is the reason I'm as good as I am at Overwatch. He was the first character I really vibed with, and this channel was where I came to get the Hanzo juice. And sticking around to watch Sam helped me learn more about the ins and outs of this game, and learning in this space became equally as valuable to me as practicing. I put hundreds of hours into him since I started playing in 2020, but I haven't played him at all this season. It's just not worth it anymore. I don't feel like I'm overcoming adversity by playing the worse hero anymore. It's just playing the much-worse hero.
I remember playing with my friends early on when I was new (they're all Gold-Plats, for reference) and they were big Hanzo haters. What bothered them was that when Hanzo jiggle-peeks you, he's not even on your screen when you die because the arrow is so slow. But Widow was fine, because you have to peek at the same time for her to shoot you. And I thought that was just so silly. But I imagine a huge part of the playerbase shared that backwards sentiment, which is why Blizzard did what they've done to him today. Playing in that rank, I've definitely been chased around the map by whole teams just for being on the character, so I believe it.
Take his one-shot, whatever. If that's what it takes to make these people happy then I don't care. Drop his damage as low as it needs to go. But why in god's name has he never gotten anything in return? Why isn't his projectile speed faster? Why isn't his draw-speed faster? Why didn't they revert the wall-climb nerf? Why does wall-climb do literally nothing compared to things like Dash and Combat Roll? Why doesn't Dragon break deployables yet? Fuck, they love Storm Arrow so much, why doesn't that refund some cooldown when you cancel it? There's a whole laundry list of things you can do to help this character. But instead let's give Widow back 10m of her falloff range. Let's changes all the other slow projectile hitboxes so they don't hit the characters hands first - but not Hanzo's. They're deliberately letting this character rot, and the response to Arrge on the AMA was an absolute joke. That's why, despite how much I loved this character when I first picked up the game, I won't be playing him again until they start taking him seriously.
If they gave Widow a barret 50 cal that would mean she could still oneshot but she oneshot on bodyshots too 💀
lol if they gave her a laser sight so you can always tell where she is looking and where she is at, will make her one shotting you feel a lot less frustrating, that or get rid of her one shot.
Widow is the most unfun dps to go against, sojourn is up there as well.
@@halinaqi2194 Honestly I think that would be such a good change for Widowmaker.
Sometimes I can't tell she's looking at me from max range behind cover and I just fall over dead.
They have sniper lines in Splatoon so you can tell where snipers are aiming, which is why you see good snipers charge their shots at the ground and then aim.
If they made it so if Widow scopes for more than 1 second there will be a laser showing where she's aiming.
@@halinaqi2194 on paper thats a good change, but ive seen widows do 90 degrees flicks, so i dont think the lazer would matter 😭
@@le_m4cho965 it would still help if you're behind the guy that she shot. can tell if she's still peeking or not.
@@halinaqi2194 as a widow main, playing against an invisible sombra while winston and tracer are also on me, is much less fun.
As a day 1 hanzo main, I stuck by when they shot him in the knee when they took scatter, I cried when they added the projectile speed and took it in the next few patches (rip me sniping pharahs ;-;), I was hopeful when OW2 came out, then they took both the shimada brothers out back. The part that hurts the most is the fact that even now being called a "hanzo main" is still gonna be treated like getting called a "No skill all luck" or a "scatter main", when he is debatably the worse dps in the game. I still play him but with how I can't deal with sombra, bap, pharah, etc. anymore it's hard to play dps cause I had the most fun on him
To people who say "Hanzo is just rng"
Why don't you play him and prove it? I'm sure I'd love to see your montage submission
It takes hours to understand his arrow drop and projectile speed, they won’t have any clips till 2030
I used to say Hanzo was just rng, then I actually played him and I was shit 💀
The cope is real "rng shots" are made up by people that see 3 or 4 arrows coming from the same narrow path and they still decide to Walk into them, once I stopped being bad at the game I realized that, if we are going to nerf every hero for being annoying we might as well stop playing overwatch
@@pepekovallin Yeah that's a good point. I've also realized that any character can be annoying if you make a point of being annoyed by them.
@@pepekovallin i wish this comment was pinned or something cause it really is that simple or at least mostly is.
I know this is just me but I have actually played Hanzo for a few hours and got many random 1 shots when he had his 1 shot. I mean I don’t have a montage or clips of it so you’ll just have to take my word for it
Man it's crazy that the devs hitscan bias hasn't gone away after all these years. I'm a diamond Hanzo main who's been playing since season 7 of OW1, and despite having pretty shit aim to be completely honest, I could still whip out an untrained Widowmaker, who was one of my least played heroes, and fucking shred with the character. Compare that to my Hanzo who I struggled to hit consistent headshots with despite having far better fundamentals with the hero than my Widow.
Widow's one shot is twice as oppressive as Hanzo's and twice as easy to land, yet they removed Hanzo's one shot first. You can't say "Oh it's because you're just actually good at the hero." because I'm clearly not yet my Widow still gets more value than my Hanzo despite the polarizing difference in practice put in. Trigonometry is harder than point and click, sorry.
Hanzo saying “I can’t give up yet” right after he stopped talking is super ironic
Dragon does no damage to drones but Moira's ultimate does... make it make sense! ahahaha
When they changed HPs guess who got buffs to their damage?
DPS? Hell naw
Braindead no skill character (Moira)? LET"S FUKING GOOOOO
Tracer needs additional reload, genji needs another shot, reaper needs another shot, Cass needs another shot. But moira? Her TTK stayed the same while being harder to kill
It's so strange to see Blizzard just hating on Hanzo so much when they always seemed to treat him as one of the "top characters", even being the main one to launch in OW1 with skins that changed not just his ult, but multiple voice lines too.
Now in OW2, they kinda just don't give a damn about him and many of the changes to the game constantly screws him.
If only OW Devs watched old Hanzo gameplay, the strategy, the positioning, waiting for the right moment.... not this spamzo s**t we have now
What did you expect?
The devs don't play the game, it's a fact, you need to play the game and it's heroes, to know consistently what changes are good.
Imagine removing the oneshot but he still oneshots with a Mercy pocket. Sadly I am not an e-dater who has a perm Mercy pocket on me just to be able to play the character.
The shimada brothers, reaper , bastion , sym , rein are just a few of the ow OGs that have lost their identity in ow2
Perhaps part of the "hanzo is just luck" might have come from TF2, where huntsman can aim and hit head OR you can aim and hit a giant hitbox that is nowhere near your head thus killing you despite not hitting your head.
Exactly. It's an actual bug which affects the Huntsman, and it's sort of poisoned the well for all bow-type weapons in other shooters.
@@MiaoNya It's not a bug, they made it work like that to not make a mechanic specifically for huntsman, while also not forcing you to directly hit the player. The problem comes from the fact that other projectiles didn't really care about head hitboxes.
Ah so just like the new hitbox changes in ow2
I miss wraxu man, hes prolly done with ow, but i hope he streams again for mh wilds
Being a OTP hanzo and having 1000hrs in Hanzo, I really needed to hear this! I felt it was my literal inner thoughts coming out.
Also, I remember hitting a headshotting a pharah on Oasis after taking a jump pad. I was literally above her and got that headshot! It was one of my best headshots ever! She escaped and killed me few seconds later!!!! Its so extremely sad and I feel like shit trying to make hanzo work nowadays.
the thing is even if widow couldn't 1 shot if they were 5hp she could just double tap and still get the kill, hanzo has nothing even close playing hanzo nowadays is like cuck simulator honestly
Im pretty sure this video just proves that genji needs to be nerfed.
8:26 - 8:35 couldn't have said that statement better
I really feel bad for the hanzo mains it really is bad, im a ball main so ik how you feel for the longest time he was shit now hes good so theres hope for you guys
Junkrat is going the same route. People think because bronze level junks spam chokes all game then that’s what all junks do. Yeah, you do it for a few seconds then you should be in the fight. Those who have actually learned how to aim with the arc of his grenades are now punished with a 3 hit kill, if you do manage to land all 3 shots it doesn’t matter because Sojourn can kill a junk before the first even reaches her. Now I wonder why the hell I wasted hundreds of hours learning how to get the perfect lead and arc on a slow moving projectile when all the danger of said projectile is now gone.
Gold dps player here.
Imma be honest. Before nerf hanzo was like if you're hitting your shots, you'll carry but if you don't, you have to switch which made him extremely high skill ceiling and rewarding. Now they lowered it down so much that even tho you can't hit your shots now (which is rare cause the arrows are huge) , you can just play the bastion (tank buster platstyle) and get value which is just incredibly boring. Any other dps can do that. There's no reason to play hanzo over ashe, Cass or solider..
I am a Hanzo main that doesnt play Hanzo anymore. Think about how sad that statement is, i dont play my favorite hero in my fav game anymore.
If they don't do anything about this by the time Marvel Rivals releases, I'm switching to Hawkeye and never looking back.
Damn the zombie round 1 music 0:00
Players peeking the same angle for a 4th time: "what a lucky/bs hanzo arrow"
Masters Hanzo main turned plat 2 after the S9 patch. I still play him, I am going insane. Thank you for making this video.
It would be even funnier, in a sad kind of way, if looking back at recent Sigma buff and buff reversal the overwatch team would go "hm, maybe Hanzo's dragon shouldn't pass through solid objects either? Let's make it tangible and stick to any obstruction in its way!"
lets make it bounce off of walls like storm arrow
@@Enkinanna that'd actually be a possible buff. Can't have that, sorry!
That way you could stick it to the floor at the right angle letting it stay there forver. This would acctually be a huge buff
That would actually be kinda cool if the dragons "bounced" on geometry, it'd heavily reward good shots instead of the usual "just fire it behind the enemy team".
Let's make it track the player instead
Everyone complained about one shots, and now sustain, heals, and immos are way overpowered. I came back to this game after a break, and it feels like garbage because nothing dies now. Bring back risk vs reward plays with higher elim matches. Nobody gets punished for anything nowadays. The game is so watered down.
Will you pick the bow back up if he getts buffed?
The problem with hanzo is that the people who main him are way to adaptable. No matter how horrible on paper the hero is Along as hanzo mains are still hitting insane 3k’s using no team ults then they will nerf him more and more. There’s been so many times when the enemy rage picks hanzo and then gets shit on cuz they don’t realize how huge the skill gap has become if you actually wanna have ANY impact. Tbh I don’t entirely mind the 1 shot nerf and I think hanzo is still good in the right hands. Just bring back 1 shot in sniper range since those are the hardest shots to hit OR tune his dps passive up to 50% for non tanks because right now going for body shots is useless. And for all the ones who don’t play hanzo keep mindlessly side strafing to avoid those arrows :)
Sideonote I gave up hope on hanzo the day they released that update with his bow bugged. That’s shit you notice from play testing within 5 seconds lmaoo. At this point they’re just trying to be “innovative”
That's the same logic towards the Genji players lol.
Why hero should be punished because people that like these characters have more skills and brains than average Moira main ? This is ridiculous. You play hard heroes ? You get more rewards. You play easy heroes ? You get less rewards. It is that easy.
Trying to leverage high skilled and less skilled players by nerfing particular characters to the point of them being a garbage is not a solution
Cass,genji,pharah,sombra, soj are now the rage picks for this season. Everytime therye getting therye passes lit up they switch to these characters
I feel like the devs don’t know what to do with hanzo like seriously I hate the community and the devs right now if you’re character annoying he’s gonna be garbage forever junk hanzo sym so on so forth and can I say it’s stupid how the devs say they hate spamzo but makes him spam even more like what the thought process of that
If there gonna keep discouraging good aim with hanzo by not awarding the shooter with a kill, can they atleast double his projectile speed please.
few years ago before I had my own place. My roommate got me a big hanzo fabric poster. It hangs on my wall in the office here now. But only serves to remind me of what we lost.
When Hanzo can't one shot, Arrge's chanel drop out significant numbers. It's so sad watch him go through this,back in the day he could still make miracle work on his own by wall climbing spical spot and sneaky master ricochet position,but nowadays he force to play with Mercy pocket 24/7 in order to made Hanzo playable. It's not fun to watch and Mercy beam will expose his position like spotlights make him can't strike from blind spot.... it's miserable.
honestly i think that oneshots should have never been in the game in the first place, expecially now. in ow1 winning a 5v6 was not that hard. winning a 4v5 is so much harder.
My teammates cannot handle 4v3 fights, how are they supposed to manage 4v5 🤣
Nah he's definitely biased. Acting like people's hatred for "spamzo" is out of delusion is delusional in itself. And using the "skillshot" argument basically falls into the same argument widow players use. Not to mention Hanzo was one of the strongest dps at enabling Widow basically feeding her enemy locations off cooldown while dishing a one shot himself. They both should be gutted
Widow will be useless if she has no one shot :D So basically she is the only 1 hero that should be called a real sniper, because it is literally her identity
@@skrypnykk.770 Both widow and hanzo are gonna be bad without one shots, that's just how they are designed. Sure, hanzo may be better off than widow because the devs decided for some reason they want to put the main power of his kit into the braindead spam storm arrow ability. However, this is my assumption, but in some scenarios widow's smg is surprising good at finishing low health targets. I believe she can do that faster and more reliable than hanzo can with her primary so she might not even be as bad as people think she is without one shot.
@@Hsjackow I think you have never played widow before, basically she is the only 1 hero that definitely must have one shot.
the biggest issue is that hanzo's ttk basically doubled, while all the other characters were affected in big ways hanzo is one of the biggest losers of the entire patch.
Everytime i see a Hanzo, they almost always have a Mercy pocket 😭
2nd game his team had 0 elims. thats every game for me btw lmao
The worst thing about dragonstrike not hitting bap lamp, is because they buffed lifeweaver so you couldn't cleave through it anymore. The support bias from the devs is insane and is actively killing the game.
Hanzo was not a popular pick ever, he was never meta, he was just simply good, and great as a solo queue player because u didnt have to rely on other characters and their cooldowns to help you win the match (required to rank up), but now he is just the helping hand, like "Hey guys i got them all low!!" My friends i do play with, are sick of me saying "He's one" or "I headshot him"
The devs dont know what theyre doing until they go back to 6v6, no matter what happens before that
Agree 100%
I think it'd be interesting to see a reworked hanzo where they completely trash his current identity of a mid range sniper/"tank shredder" and play into the multi arrow hero he was before the storm arrow change. Give him some dumb wacky utility with being able to swap different arrows that do different effects or something. An electric arrow that can cleave and chain through enemies, that would also disable and overtime destroy deployables. Or some sort of chained arrow that'll limit a hero's movement to a certain point, like mauga cage but without disabling movement abilities. I'd even go to say, remove dragon strike from the ultimate and make him the first hero with no ultimate. Instead, using the ult button to cycle through different arrows, make him something like a stance changing character. Just give him something to differentiate him from the other dps that can do what he does except better, faster, and stronger than he could ever do.
But then nobody would play him. Completely killing the identity
This is the dumbest thing I've read all day and I just woke up
That would be a good idea for an ult, he can choose and shoot elemental arrows rather than the useless static dragon we have now. Or let him shoot multiple smaller dragons that chase heroes.
@@ProvenOW it's better than whatever the devs can cook up that's for you, you cannot deny that
@@mycelia_ow No it is not. That automatically removes his identity he has when all they'd need to do is give him his one shot back and just make his ult an actually threat. Like slowing it back down to original speed so it lasts longer and tweaking the damage numbers of the dragon. You guys act like you can do the devs jobs better then they can with practically no experience competitively and or game development wise. These ideas may sound interesting but it would only just create more problems than it's worth making the effort to create them.
I’ve never heard of you as a hanzo.
I had an idea that combined the stormbow and scatter arrow, give him like 3 arrows to shoot at once. The whole robin hood power fantasy, let them all ricochet like 1 time. And give him 2-3 volleys. Let him actually lock down a room and or hit multiple targets at once if he's "supposed" to be a mid range hero like mccree. At the very least mccrees stun can hit multiple targets and even his base fire allows him to go from target to target within quick succession
I just played a match that SHOULD have been a pop off match... at least a half dozen dinks that resulted in no value other than ult charge for me and their supports.
That feels awful to nail a HS and get no reward. Instead a brain dead support gets to charge his ult off it. Terrible.
They have deleted a lot of characters with 5v5
They did the same thing to Bastion & it breaks my heart to look at the shell of a robot who was once my favorite hero
Same
Also the reason to remove the one shot is this. It is fundamentally unfair to have a character whose main weapons are capable of both reliable 1 shots at long and close range. Unlike widow hanzo is extremely capable in a close range duel. Unlike reaper hanzo is extremely capable at long range. This is bad design.
He should be one or the other not both. Any character whose main weapon is capable of consistent one shots should be crippled by their range.
True, but even now Hanzo is still one shoting heroes below 200 hp
Taking away a one shot headshot from a sniper character is some of the most asinine game balancing I’ve ever seen. Which makes sense since it’s coming from Overwatch developers 💀
Dead game. Don't care.
Get it out bud.
Stopped caring long ago.
So, first off I'm a Widow player. And I agree with Sam's take on Hanzo here, but I think after playing Widow for 6 years now on console, I will say this.
I think Sam got wrong about movement. While Widow gets more Horizontal Distance, Hanzo can use up to 3 Lunges in the same time Widow's 12 second Grapple lasts, and probably at least close to the distance she covers. Yes, Hanzo can cover more distance, just not as fast imo.
To fix Hanzo, I'd do 2 things. First, Dragon destroys Deployables. Would be a fantastic buff, for an Ult to actually cut through Immortality. Second, Simply buff Hanzo damage. Devs talked in the AMA reddit about changing character HP to alter Breakpoints, for Hanzo to be effective without a Pocket. Why are we changing HP again, when we just made a GALACTIC change to all character HP to stop burst damage? I don't trust it, just buff Hanzo's damage to properly 1-Shot again.
One last thing, is while I believe Sam's argument is valid, don't take your anger out on a Character or Playerbase that doesn't deserve it. Widow had the 1Shot since OW1 launch. Why Hanzo's was removed, I dunno. But he should get it, not the alternative of remove Widow's again. You would kill the Character, and I guarantee, there would be an utter outrage.
Anyway, this is my take on the Hanzo situation. Love the video Sam, keep preachin.
Exactly, I was shocked when he said that hanzo was more diveable(Like how the fuck the character with 12 seconds cooldown grapple and shitty alt-fire is going to be more diveable than the character with burst down(Storm Arrows), leap and wallclimb?)
And same with point of community(Like if hanzo is trash without oneshots than widow is what? The auto lose? Dead char?)
I'd say that the mobility on both characters are about the same in power.
Widowmaker while yes, has a very long cooldown, is able to almost instantly disengage
Hanzo while not being able to disengage instantly, has the movement more readily availible
The movement mechanics help support their own playstyles, but in the end both characters are (imo) the same amount of divable, just depends on the situation and character(s) diving them.
@@audiofox5104 Read my comment.
I think there's just a disconnect between what people experience at different ranks. I can say from my t500 experience, which I believe will be similar to Sam's, Hanzo is almost always the easiest hero to commit on in any teamcomp, including the supports. Most characters have hypermobility and most of the supports that dont instead get sustain abilities.
In higher ranks where people at least semi-coordinate plays, even if only subconciously, you just get run over. In the past, while this was still often the case, people would say "at least he can hit a headshot on one of them and get a trade". Now that's no longer possible.
Winston or dva dives go onto you and you're dead, lucio with junkerqueen or rein blitz you and roll over you.
This is enforced by the fact that many of the newer maps don't have as many highgrounds to play around, so where Hanzo could play around these things easier in the past, it's much more common for him to have nowhere safe to position.
And the more poke-oriented maps that he should be good on, Sigma is popular and can often poke him out from the highground positions, forcing you to play outside of his optimal range.
The maps that Widow is generally played on have insanely long sighlines for her to outrange the threats to her. Like has been said since forever, you can't go dive to counter widow on those maps because it's too large of a distance to cover before you get within dive range, and then her grapple will render your first dive engage mute anyways. Of course you could always go Sombra and utilize her infinite stealth, which is its own issue entirely.
Hanzo on these same maps not only often loses the duel to widow from the simple difference that she is hitscan, but also gets much less consistent value from range since he cannot sport the same accuracy, and it becomes significantly easier to dodge his arrows. Not to mention, once you get close enough do dive him, the lunge does not take him far enough to escape your engage.
I believe Sam makes the comparisom since in the end, Hanzo is supposed to work best in poke, meaning he should excell on poke maps. But widow has always been the dominant hero on these maps, yet they decided to gut Hanzo's usefullness further by practically removing his ability to get pre-fight picks, while arguably buffing widows ability to do that job at the same time - thereby showing bias.
Yeah I agree with you there, Sam could definitely explain his widow arguments better so people could understand him better. I'm gonna try to guess what his statements about widow means though.
Sam is very high ranked which means his experience is gonna be different from you and I. I'm sure when he is talking about his widow argument, he is referring to his high elo experience where everyone is coordinated and have good team comps. In this case, the team is gonna be built around the widow where all resources goes into her. I don't think it's very common that a team is built around hanzo though. With this being said, I don't think sam is referring to how widow is stronger upclose than hanzo, he is saying that hanzo is easier to dive than widow. I can kind of see his point being true here but you have to look at the process of setting up the dive. In order to dive the widow, you'd have to get into dive range. This is where widow is stronger than hanzo because if she manages to pick off one member of your team before your team commits to the dive, it disrupts the entire enemy team and now it's a 4v5. Hanzo is projectile so he won't be able to do this as reliable as widow can. Hanzo is stronger than widow upclose when he is being dived, but widow have better chances to get picks before the dive starts to put you at a disadvantage. These are just my speculations but I think this is what Sam is referring to when he says hanzo is easier to dive than widow.
I came back to overwatch about two month ago and was previously a Hanzo player in both the original and at the start of overwatch 2, I never knew they took his one shot out until you mentioned it, it explains a lot now I'm back.
It might be to much but merge sonar and storm arrows and give him a fire arrow that puts enemies on fire
It's almost as if they had to tune him down because something is missing, something drawing his attention, eating his dmg.
He now is free to do anything he wants and with this freedom he's just too powerful to be let alive
Ah yes the Panzerkampfwagen IV
nice bait
I can’t put a name on it…
Bait or mental r3tardatıon
Call it
Yeah... Something big and threatening that can provide decent shelter to the enemy team... I know what it is! Level three torb turrets!
Dragon should destroy lamp, pylon etc. and maybe *slow down* once it makes contact with an enemy? That way you can clutch with it without losing damage over time. Just an idea
The disparity between old characters and new characters is pretty clear. Kiriko and Sojourn have been dominating the game since release.
Ikr! There's so many times I get a headshot and they just survive
KarQ and good ol’ boy SVB are both huge Hanzo complainers of the “Random Log across the map…”
I agree with you. Generally bad positioning players who say this. Stick their heads out a choke and surprised when they’re punished.
Karq is one the most knowledgeable streamers on every hero and yes, watching kill cams of a hanzo killing you at full hp with a single arrow without even looking feels ass af. They increased hp pools for a reason.
That's not a Hanzo one-shot problem, but a player problem. Neither of them have great positioning or movement.
I'm not hating on them, I love them both as content creators. It's always a pleasure to get KarQ on my team.
@@afterthought9538 if top 500 players are essentially 'just bad' then how do you expect the other 99.9% of players to fare? I'm glad that previous situation I mentioned can't happen anymore because I think it was unhealthy for the game. We can disagree though.
@@KayD__o Now, hold up, I didn't say "bad" lol. But dying to a pseudo-random arrow does not happen very often, and in fact very rarely in GM, as players ARE just simply better. I would hit one random headshot maybe once every 10 games in GM. Players have a tendency (and that's natural) to remember bad experiences more than good ones, and Kar and SVB are not immune to that. For every Hanzo HS, there are many missed ones. Your average Hanzo at any rank tends to have 10-15% critical accuracy, after all. When KarQ talks about random deaths to Hanzo, it's being more than just a little dramatic, and likely heavily influenced by community hyperbola.
As far as being "unhealthy" goes, I will argue that the idea that one-shots are unhealthy (especially projectile) is kind of just a matter of opinion. There are so many things in this game that different players may consider unhealthy for different reasons. I feel it serves to make the game interesting, personally, just so long as it isn't something ridiculous, such as long-duration immortality, like Venture's Dig, combined with shield HP gain with just ability usage, rather than execution. For example, I don't find issue with Suzu, though many other high rank players do.
Of course, you're free to disagree. But one thing is for sure, Hanzo can't function without a one-shot with an RoF as slow as what he has. It's either returning one-shot, or completely reworking him, which is risky because the hero MUST be as fun as what we had before. That can be said about any hero that gets reworked.
The people who complain about the "random" hanzo head shot are the same people who peek corners knowingly when the enemy has a hanzo... Low elo game (plat and lower) keep repeating the same mistakes that get them killed and its not even funny.
I guess I'm bad because I don't enjoy being 1 shot coming back from spawn. From Widow or Hanzo it doesn't matter. No one likes getting 1 shot
To be fair for the widowmaker, i even saw many people wanting widow to be removed from the game. So i think it's one shots in general that people want gone, and the only people who dont want then to go are the mains of that character. Zen Hanzo and Widowmaker, people want these characters to be severly nerfed. But at the same time, the devs are too slow and too soft on buffs and nerfs too though.
Hanzo and genji got fucked over by blizzard
Yet they are both viable picks 😮
@@ondrejlukas326 in gold. If you are Masters. Before they go 5 counters
@@invarkul7831 nah I'm talking 4.5+ scrims lol
@@ondrejlukas326 I mean he is not unplayable, but why playing genji if tracer and Sombra exist
@@ondrejlukas326 They're never a more viable pick then another hero in Scrims, They're just picked because in high coordinated Team play you can get away with playing genji and he does provide some unique value, But that value is not going to shine at all in Ladder, He can afford to get buffs without breaking the meta.
Hanzo's job of busting the tank is "viable" but its not in line with his design at all, it feels like shit.
And don't forget about the server issues in OW2, where u get way more "no reg" on Hanzo than ever. It's extremely frustrating that you can't one tap head anymore on top of the fact that a lot of your shots are gonna be a no reg.
Wait, is hanzo really bad, or do we just want to remove lamp?
Its so weird how globally hated and undefended it is, for never receiving any functional changes
Does feel great as a non hanzo player though. All they need now is to remove widow 1shots which make the game feel bad
Everyone has their own definition of what is annoying to deal with though, if we remove what feels bad for everyone then the game wouldn't exist.
I think the most tilting part of playing against a hanzo is that he can oneshot you at any range, no matter what flanker you are playing and it doesnt feel fair. His movement isnt slowed nearly as much as widow's and it feels cheap as hell when you can just get turned and one tapped despite taking some skill
pretending like widow cant oneshot you across the entire map with zero chance to interact with her because shes hitscan
He is slowed down drawing his bow tho, Like significantly.
Hanzo went from rewarding precision to no reward because support mains kept bitching
Doom went from high risk high reward to high risk no reward because support mains kept bitching.
I've been cooking a bit for Hanzo. since he lost his one-shot (feels bad man)made me focus on that by try to still reward headshots stil by giving him a new "passive" that would reduce the cooldown on "storm arrow" by about 2 sec(per headshot) which sound op on first glance but when you factor in that "storm arrow's" cooldown doesn't begin counting down until you used all arrows or cancel the ability.
So imagine you just used "storm arrow" in to a tank and the cooldown starts ticking down you draw next arrow, then you hit the tank in the head with that arrow now you only have 3 sec left on the cooldown. As you deposit the last arrow in the head of the tank, you get flanked by a Reaper (who just saw you use "storm arrow" as he teleported.) and you just smile as he gets melted by your blue arrows
Nah, Hanzo def has some pretty strong rng headshot potential. True, 80% of the time you're aiming and working hard for those shots, but 20% of the time you're spamming arrows at head height around a corner you know the enemy team is about to turn and get two lucky elims lol. Due to the size and speed of the projectiles this makes actual head height spam viable, widow has to actually time and aim her headshots. Also, saying 'you can dodge the arrow' is literally insane, it ain't firestrike slow lmao. All that being said though, I do agree on Hanzo being a useless pick with no identity at the moment. I won't pretend I love the character but its a shame he's been deleted to try and fit the 5v5 format, his one-shot is way too unhealthy for the game as is but in 6v6 he worked just fine.
if you see arrows being spammed around a corner and you still walk into them that's on you imo
Before the hitbox changes, he had the second smallest projectile
@@RIP_ZYZZ1738 Smallest*, tied with Genji. The only projectile smaller was Sym's right-click with zero charge iirc.
Give him the one shot back but lower his arrow hit boxes to that of the old hit scan ones.
exactly i would way rather they shrink his arrow size. the give back his one shot and also increase his projectile speed to what it was in 2018-19