The Language of Creation | Matthieu Pageau | EP 292
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Matthieu Pageau and Dr Jordan B Peterson discuss the structure and significance of the Biblical corpus of stories, concentrating in no small part on the Genesis account of Adam and Eve.
Matthieu Pageau is a Canadian author, residing in Quebec. For two decades, he’s discussed religious philosophy and symbolism with his brother and icon carver Jonathan Pageau, a frequent guest on JBP's CZcams channel and podcast. These discussions were part of what motivated Matthieu to write his new book, The Language of Creation: Cosmic Symbolism: A Commentary (amzn.to/3LVzkgj).
-Chapters-
(0:00) Coming Up
(0:53) Intro
(3:44) Logos: a Top Down System
(11:41) Heaven, Earth, Order, Chaos
(16:20) Union of Meaning and Fact
(22:00) Opposites by Design: Adam and Eve
(29:00) The Talking Snake
(35:00) Newton vs Einstein
(40:25) Something Above the Head
(47:04) Inedible Fruit, Totalitarian Sin
(54:19) The Nature of Sin, Fractal Patterns
(1:02:10) Tetramorphic Cherubs
(1:12:00) The Flaming Sword That Turns on Itself
(1:17:13) The Beneficial Adversary
(1:27:25) Pageau’s Writing Process
(1:30:30) The Principle of Recursion
(1:40:58) Not All Interpretation is Arbitrary
(1:48:14) The Cycle of Competition
(1:59:47) Jacob and Wrestling the Angel.
(2:02:48) Avoiding Academia
(2:04:37) Hypergamous Women
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Hey Doctor Peterson. I just wanted to say thank you for everything you've done for people who are lost in life. Five years ago I was a hopeless cocaine addict, and I had no friends and was lonely working a factory job. I stumbled upon one of your videos, and it really spoke to me. I felt overwhelmed and unable to change, but your videos & lectured gave me the guidance I needed. Now I'm sober and have a wonderful wife and son, and have a very good job, and soon to be going to college and trying to go to law school. Thank you for caring, I wish you nothing but the best.
Very happy for you brother. You are seen. May your path continue to be happy and purposeful. Much love to you and your family.
God What a great happy end for you brother. Could you share what was that JP said but cought your attention and help you? I need to learn to detax from toxic way of relating to my father and 2 of my siblings
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Austin Scott. Keep growing. U have natural discernment knowing that u understood Jordan’s messages. So happy ur on the right path. God bless you and your family.
@@peaceandlove544 Hey man just take it one day at a time. Start fixing the things that you can change. I started just cleaning my room everyday, and taking charge of my environment. Eventually you will build the discipline to break those toxic cycles. It's not a sprint my friend, it's a marathon.
I am ex atheist and i am trying to figure out who i am right now. I am reading this book and i am shocked by the results! Thank You thank You thank You for this talk!
Will be praying for you❤
I know, it's so weird. This dude died for me. WTF? How does that work? He rose from the dead; really? Trying to figure it out. Even if I never do, I KNOW that learning the Bible is making me a better person. Good luck to you!!!
Would you mind if I asked what spurred your change of mind? I always find these types of stories interesting and inspiring.
Keep on trucking brother, it'll keep opening up wider and wider.
Good deal. Take the journey as it comes. Take notes and don't forget a thing..when the full transformation comes, your testimony will be THEE most unforgettable journey you'll ever take, and those that know you, will be amazed at who is in you. Know that there are thousands upon thousands that are here in support of your vouage
Hi Jordan! I doubt you’ll see this but I’m going to send it anyway because you deserve to know that you have reached so many people and have helped thousands if not millions of people just like me. As a fellow psychologist (in the making) you inspire me so much I love listening to your perspective and it’s always eye opening. I hope one day I get to meet you. And if I make even a fraction of the difference you’ve made I’d be over the moon with myself. You’ve helped me out of some tough times and I’m sure that’s true for thousands of people across the globe honestly! x
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@@JordanBPeterson please provide a video on how WEF is corrupting politicians and governments , universities, District Attorneys etc etc to push forward the One World Slavery. The end of freedom for the masses
Jordan respectfully to you but your a decieved Christian trampling simple Logic UNDERFOOT. A=A, B=B, A is not = to B. Your DECEPTION and I hope your HONORABLE enough to admit your fault and help decieved Christians. Repay evil with good is Justice and repaying evil with evil is UNJUSTICE. You think evil war on evil war is justified and capital punishment on a capital criminal is justice. Not. The law of non-contradiction will only allow non-war a pacifist on war a non-pacifist to be JUSTIFIED. Christians think they can repay war with war and it is Justified. Non-pacifist Christians straight up live in sin. PERIOD. Friend please repent and warn non-pacifist Christians live in sin and embrace death a damnable offence. True Christians are PACIFISTS and embrace life. I know you understand now. Please bro fix your fault and shout it from the rooftop. Peace out. ❤❤😍🤩😎👍
My first post will be the most important simple truth you will embrace or non-embrace and determine the salvation of your soul. No different than a liar or non-liar, heterosexual or non-heterosexual, thief or non-thief, PACIFIST OR NON-PACIFIST which is evil. Please don't brain fart on Jesus was the Pacifist as scripture says he did no violence ISAIAH and Satan is the first known non-pacifist FATHER OF DEATH AND WAR. Simple eh... God said thou shalt not kill pure pacifist rhetoric. ❤😍🤩😎
@@JordanBPeterson I am a psychotherapist and I couldn’t agree more regarding how helpful your work has been!
While I am a fan of Jonathan Pageau, I think I may like the way Matthieu Pageau’s brain works even more. Thank you for having him on, Dr. Peterson!
Peterson has been absolutely killing it lately
Lately, he drives the leftwing nut jobs crazy 🤪
He really has 😂
Divine direction
It’s because he’s finally getting the production help he deserves - Daily Wire
No doubt man.
Matthieu's straightforward responses are so refreshing
He's not bad at all
Why? All they do is reinforce the idea of a Archaic >topdown< God of antiquity. But God YHWH
is not comparable to such concepts. God YHWH who made himself known as Jesus Christ
always defied notions of extreme duality (Isaiah 45:7) and of linear progression (Isaiah 46:10);
and initially denied humans who wanted to ascribe potential to him (Exodus 3:14).
@@a-sheepof-christ9027What do you think of Greek Orthodox Theology which seems to
Be very Christocentric?
@@a-sheepof-christ9027could you expand on Christ not expressing duality
I lost touch with my faith years ago and listening to this helps me take steps in the right direction, Great Work!! :,)
pablo...we all go astray. The Bible tells us this. The Shephard seeks us and brings us back.
Jordan, if you read this I want you to know that you were for a long time like a father figure to me and that you've helped me tremendously. You do not know me but with my head bowed I've been listening to you diligently for years. I must say that, just like so many other people, I'm forever indebted to you and that you have my gratitude. Thinking about it makes me weep sometimes. I feel like the lost sheep being brought back on God's path by the good Shepherd.
Mircea, that was beautiful and touched me in your gratitude to Jordan. I grew up with a great father and I learned so much from him. I know the blessing I had that continues even though he joined my mom with Jesus in heaven 2 1/2 yrs ago but I must say, Jordan has also touched me and re-enforced to seek wisdom and do good. I’m happy for you that you found a great role model in Jordan. Blessings on your day.
@@whitebeltforlife hahahaha
@@whitebeltforlife Love you and God Bless you!
Your comment is beautifully written. As a fellow listener, I also appreciate that I know how much he appreciates being that man to you and me. God bless.
How wonderful Our Father in heaven yours too that loved you before you were even conceived heard your prayers or listened to your thoughts and emotions and send you the right message through JP
Well, here we are. The moment we've been waiting for. Peterson read Language of Creation.
And the moment we never thought would come again. Mathieu Pageau has emerged to the public sphere.
It's a good day.
Yes. As I watch it brings me to tears. Again and again.
I subscribed to your channel because you made this brilliant comment.
Agreed. It would be enough to have one of the brothers but both are compelling brilliance in their own right and I loved when Jordan was getting taken away with a thought he couldn’t keep his talking in,pace with his thoughts.
Truthfully, I will listen to this more than the one time. There are some big things to chew on. We are so blessed!
Can we have a round of applause for the Pageau family and in particular the brothers because they have exposed themselves to the world for our sake.
What does that mean?
Clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap.
Amen
For such a celebrated individual jordan is repeatedly such a collosal letdown dwelling in the dark. The *real* meaning of a snake is enlightenment and knowledge/illumination because it sheds its skin, leaving behind what it no longer needs becoming a better version of itself. Americas "freedom" eagle is also the polar opposite of these so called "noted illectuals" teachings actually signifying dominance and complete panoptical control because nothing flies higher, it sees all. Hopefully the Mexican flag with the eagle eating the snake etc now has more meaning for you reader as will world events and symbolism in general. The catholic church, with the help of the jordans of the world, has globally performed cultural genocide to the point you are no longer aware of your true purpose, origin or history. Its not that the truth is hidden, you are actively kept away from it from the "evil" snake in the bible right through to say, slitherin in Harry Potter the truth about reality is kept from you with the help of jordan and his ilk and yet ignorance rains so supreme you lap it up parroting "amen" like the good little sheep you really are. I weep for us
It doesn't make sense. How did they expose themselves?
👏👏👏 I'm a Christian, a philosopher, and discussions like this are like milk and honey, the perception of the Bible as a documentation of psyche and reality (as another facet of its religious implications). Good work man, and really insight-ivizing. Thank you
The first two chapters of Genesis clearly define the meaning of what is heavens and Earth.
This poor man is trying to impose a world view upon a text which clearly is not intended to be a science book.
This is sad regarding the energy this man expended to try to make sense of the text.
That information can be best understood by reading the whole book (old Testament) in it's context. (one can add the NT for more context).
I am amazed about why Matthieu's interpretation or explanation of some of the most familiar biblical stories is so much easier to understand and accept than the many I have heard from various churches over a period of 40+ years? Thank you to BOTH for making so much senses, and the hope that we can and still are experiencing the patterns from thousands of years ago. AMAZING!!!
A huge part of it is that he’s an Orthodox Christian
Orthodox Christianity is what you're looking for. Christ is risen ☦️
@@MrWesfordoh, what’s up bro!
SO glad he had Matthieu on. We can never get enough of this quiet brother
Wow Matthieu Pageau. I never thought I’d see the day!
He's been on a few times now
@@paulking9479 yes, but that was nearly 4-5 years ago. So it comes as a pleasant surprise.
I have read Matthieu's book but this talk gave some really great insights above and beyond what's in the book. In particular, Matthieu's explanation of the role of Eve as a "mirror" or "feedback loop" for Adam, and her ability to "talk to the animals" as opposed to just "naming" them was mind blowing. On top of that, his relating that to right wing vs left wing or conservative vs progressive mindsets in society made a lot of sense. This is an immensely helpful concept, because it now puts in perspective the role of the "female" in our life in a manner that cuts through every level of reality. The role of the female (not just those who are biologically female, this means anybody that embodies the "feminine" perspective) is to act as a mirror or counterfoil to the one-sided male perspective. When the masculine/feminine dynamic is well balanced, it provides a critical feedback loop to the "dominant" masculine tendencies and acts as a corrective to them. If however this dynamic is OUT of balance, in particular if the "feminine" convinces the "masculine" to "succumb to the perspective of the marginal" then we experience a "fall" into a lower state, which needs divine intervention (death and resurrection of Christ) to correct! This is amazing stuff.
Males are not females
At about 1hr 43 mins in, I understood more now why my Dad would say ''read a little scripture every day'. He passed away before the concept of fractals was talked about, but I think he would have resonated with it just as he would with this wonderful conversation between these 2 profound, yet humble men
This is a rare treat which I will enjoy very much. Great job getting him as a guest on the podcast!
I wish Matthieu did more talks, he is great. Thanks for this sir, you've given me a lot to think about.
As someone who went to a Christian school, I have know these stories since childhood... but I have never understood the stroy of Samon until I heard Mr. Pageau explain it... and what an amazingly riveting and self evidently true explanation! Thank you sir, from the bottom of my heart.
Same here and as much as I enjoy the churches ive been to nothing comes close to what I’ve gathered from some of these great thinkers
Seriously I think they're overthinking this a little bit..
@@meanwhile4308 intelligence isn't for everyone, I feel you.. Lol
@@Leon-Servant-of-Christ
🙄🙄(((Yawn)))🙄🙄
I think you would enjoy the works of Dr. Michael Heiser.
Jordan said it himself, as a psychologist you give someone an optimal challenge that will encourage them to develop and succeed, and that’s exactly what God has done for us. He has given us a task that we will struggle with daily, yet it won’t have us running in a labyrinth. The challenge is to find the way, the truth and the life and put your faith in Him.
This is a very penetrating discussion. I'm an atheist, and I've always said, since I discovered JBP's learning and insights, that if anyone could bring me to reexamine, reevaluate... reconsider, my view of religion generally, and the Bible, in particular, it would be JBP. Here with the help of Mathieu Pageau. Maps of Meaning I found VERY difficult to understand and comprehend. Very challenging. However, with videos, lessons like these, in gradually gaining some clarity, some understanding. Much appreciation and gratitude for these discussions. Thank goodness they are recorded.
"Thank Goodness" is an example of using religious language when trying to most articulate.
Religion is hierarchy. Thats the simplest way to understand it.
Good luck on your journey, and I hope you find it rewarding
@@pjaworek6793 I purposely used the word goodness instead of "god" due to the... let's say, associations, the affect, of a troubling, disturbing, and subjective repulsion I experience using the word/label, which isn't dissimilar to Dawkin's sentiment of tyrannical and capricious, psychpathic authoritarianism. It's a purely negative psychological affect, but no less real to my atheistic sensibilities.
@@pjaworek6793 Yes, etymologically it is derivative from the word God.
I love the way that Matthieu avoids speculating outside of what he knows and has such clarity and depth of understanding about what he does. He articulates it in simple and unadorned language, while also showing great knowledge of the biblical texts and complexity in his thought. I love to listen to him, but I understand that someone like him only speaks when there is something to say. Thank you Matthieu and I hope you will share more when the time is right. Your book is fantastic too.
@@stefanjohansson2373 knows
I think JPs questions were avoided. JP keep talking about personal growth and this jackasskept talking about someone vs. enemy. Adam was naming animals but this guy keeps interpreting the Bible and his talk about a war between an enemy. Just curious, who does the think are the people represented by Adam and who are the enemies he wishes to destroy. You all missed this back and forth. I was first disappointed that JP missed it as well but he countered several times and his guest avoided. JP was easy on this jackassguest.
@@johnmighion8296 stop trying to push your agenda by implying things that aren't there
@@stefanjohansson2373 your relativist nihilism is depressing. Keep it to yourself
@@stefanjohansson2373 I am open to all views and willing to be open-minded. But not to the nihilism you present which is not a view, it is the negation of all views and says that none of them have any meaning or worth. It is a paradox that you wish to share this view, since by your own definition it is pointless and meaningless. Your view is an acid that corrodes everything and gives nothing. I ask politely that you keep it to yourself.
Jordan, I've listened to hundreds of hours of your podcasts. This is one of the absolute bests if not the best.
Thank you Jordan and Matthieu!
Matthieu's book is just pure gold. I haven't found myself so engaged with anything else like I did with this book.
Watching this video was also so satisfying.
I whish if he would do more to explain this ancient cosmology.
There is just nobody out there doing this.
Thank you both Dr. Peterson and Matthieu :)
Amen. I second this.
Oh, please. This and much more was all done decades ago by me. My name is Chris Langan. I'm the person whose Daily Wire inteview was cancelled without explanation just before Peterson came on board (the DW interviewed me because I'm reputedly "the Smartest Man in the World", and have been recognized as such for at least the last 25 years.) My work is literally a century ahead of anything Jordan Peterson is even capable of understanding. Now be good little amateurs, and exercise more care about false statements like "There is just nobody out there doing this." I did it a long, long time ago, one hell of a lot better than Dr. Peterson or his little friend could even dream about doing it, and that's it. Have a nice day.
@@RealChrisLangan Smartest, maybe. Wisest, definitely not. Saltiest, who knows? Why not apply for that category, the extra accolade might help to alleviate the boo-boos.
I dearly hope that this means Matthieu will get back to these types of conversations.
Again and again and again yes
@Die Enchanted whats his channel? Tried to search for it and all I get on CZcams and Google is him in his brother’s and Jordan’s videos for results…
This is the most surprising guest J. Peterson has ever had.
I'm looking forward for watching something very serious and profound, here.
Finally, the other Pageau brother!
I purchased Matthieu’s book a year ago. Just last month I finally had the chance to start reading it. Then here he is on your channel. Perfect.
JP and co are seriously convincing me to open up a Bible and go to a church. I'm real close. I never thought I would, but it just seems to make more and more sense the more I think about it.
I would recommend it. Just keep in mind that the church will be full of confused, fallible, broken humans. Interactions are messy. Worth doing though.
@@jennytr5056 Sounds like I'll fit right in 😅
Snake-filled Chimp...Research "Scientific Facts in the Bible. The Bible is the only religious writings that have scientific facts revealed thousands of years before man "discovered" them. No other religious writings have scientific facts. Mathematically, there are at least ten dimensions.
We are aware (or recognize, live in) four if you include time as a dimension. Some people will say that they have to see something in order to believe it yet, there are 300 trillion neutrinos that pass through every inch of your body every second but you don't feel it because they have almost zero mass and travel nearly the speed of light. Neutrinos exist but we can not perceive them without the most technologically advanced equipment. Seriously ask God to come into your heart. Accept God as Creator. Over time you will gain understanding of why satan is here. (I say this because one of the most asked questions is, "Why does God allow evil to happen.")
Strongly suggest reading the Bible over going to church as a first step. Lots of churches don’t preach straight from scripture or even understand how to interpret scripture. Even if they do understand it it’s hard to find someone who will actually follow the guidance in their own lives, or they’ll follow one part but not another. Just read the Bible. That’s all you need. Everything is there. Going to a bad church can really disillusion a person.
Going to a Biblical study group is more useful for engaging in the depth of the messages.
Thank you very much for this Matthieu. I know you usually abstain from social media so this really is a treat for all of us! Keep up the good work
Amazing that Mathieu is back. He has had such a big impact ob me, I am reading his book daily.
One chapter a day is quite easy for me 😂
Just thank you. I can’t believe I’m able to hear this for free. You have no idea how many souls have you touched Dr. Peterson. Thanks for all your efforts and having these discussions recorded.
Just realized the four horsemen of meaning have crystallized: Jordan Peterson, John Vervake, Jonathan Pageau, Matthieu Pageau. We've heard conversations between many subsets (especially of size 2) of these 4, but I think a conversation with all 4 at once would be lightning in a bottle. Without Matthieu in the picture, the more reserved and quiet Pageau voice wasn't heard as loudly as the others; his addition should balance the 3 voices perfectly.
😱😱😱😱 I am amazed that you got Matthieu on for a discussion! Amazing! I've been dying to hear more from him since his talk with Jonathan years ago. Yes!!!!
Hey Jordan, sending mountaineer love from West Virginia, you’re words of wisdom, guidance, and helpfulness will never be forgotten by everyone who’ve you’ve changed the lives of. Thank you Jordan.
What an amazing conversation. I remember when I was in my early 20's and freshly married. My husband hated that I loved to read fiction books..mostly great fantasy. He thought it was a waste of my time and even repeated that later when one of our children was present. I tried so many times to tell him those books had incredible bits of wisdom in them that I loved reading in story form. He was so resistant even though his friends would read books I would recommend. He would read "spiritual books" but considered everything else to be a waste of his time. Any book that would help me understand the bible is exciting. Thanks to both of you for your amazing ability to think and write.
Fantasy is an expression of spirituality. So you are probably more spiritual 😉
Are you and your husband still together ?
Can you please tell us if he ever came around to seeing things your way and having an appreciation for fiction ?
Can't get enough of these discussions. I can't even begin to describe the level of thought and reflection JBP helps me achieve.
After long and scrupulous factors weighed out in a quasi-Thomistic fashion, and with thanks to you Jordan, John Vervaeke, Jonathan Pageau, Robert Barron, and others, I made the decision to accept and profess the Catholic Faith in full Holy Communion. And still, after hearing what Mattieu Pageau has to say to a further extent, I am blessed to be part of Christ's Church. All of the symbology, psychology, ontology, prayer, Sacred Scripture, Authority, and Continuity harmoniously sing together in a meta-sophisticated, beautiful and true reality. God bless.
Dominus Vobiscum, brother.
Welcome home brother!
@@brandonburns5249 and with you!
@@dankahlig6691 Thank you 🙏🏻
This is just beyond exceptional. Matthieu has eyes that can see, ears that can hear and a mind that deeply understands.
The Bible is very complicated, but the gospel is extremely simple.
We don’t need to understand the Bible to be saved but unfortunately many people reject the gospel because they feel that involves deeply understanding the bible. And many people just don’t have the faculties or IQ for learning the Bible as deep as Pageau
@@lukesamuels1734 true, its also interesting how the Bible becomes far less complicated as soon as you understand the gospel.
Maybe better phrased as by believing that the gospel for salvation is for your sins personally, you then are enabled by the in dwelling of the Holy Spirit to know the deep things of God.
I was really mesmerized by Matthieu's book and getting to know him through this conversation has enhanced my admiration and appreciation for him. He's truly one of a kind and I can't even imagine the insight he'll be able to gather in his next book as he works away from the contaminants of city life. He's like the adventurous hero who leaves the confines of the city walls to seek true treasure, amazing!
I think the Pageau brothers creative minds decipher these topics very differently than I’ve seen from others. I could listen to them talk all day. The Doc does an amazing job of asking questions that really help entice conversation from this interview. I’m in the midst of a rabbit hole of both the Pageau brothers at the minute and I’m loving it.
This is awesome! Pageaus book has been a total shift in perspective and he’s such an interesting person... he’s been a bit reclusive on here which makes this even more intriguing. Thank you both for doing this.
Spot on this guys wisdom is off the charts
Yoo good point, while watching I had to pause for a moment to think about it but at the same time I was like I need more of an explanation please. As they go Jordan does a good job by getting out more.
A recluse talks with rocks, a computer scientist makes the rocks talk back.
He has nice insights for somebody who might be science or physical based, wanting to dabble with higher level patterns.
@@BboyKeny you can create a child that talks back, but the question is did you create the boundary conditions for the child, or computer? Or did somebody else?
I bought Matthieu’s book a few years ago and it’s a fantastic read. Now I have to re read it.
I can't get enough of watching this guy!! How amazing it would be to sit for a few hours and pick his brain? He puts in perspective so many things from the trivial to the enormous and morality of things or this world and in us. I can't believe they want him to take a "re-education" class! He's brighter, deeper, more complex and yet simplistic of a thicker than all of them put together! He doesn't abandon or hide his morals, values, ethics or ideals in regard to the idiotic idea that he needs to reLEARN them to appease. This guy stands alone in a sea of narcissistic vipers that act all haughty and knowledgeable and Superior. You can have all the education or knowledge in the world and still not get something for its base meaning or deeper connections to other things or ideals.
I’m an LCSW and found this interview so informative. I am so happy to have found you Dr Peterson! I have been on quite a ride in my 73 years and am a life long seeker of Truth. You have given me hope and confidence to do my work without fear, in love and Truth. God bless you in all you do to uplift humanity.
I love this in-depth focus on Christianity lately. I really believe that it contains the transformational power to restore hope and faith to the west. Peterson continues to do extremely important work. Thank you.
Thank you Dr. P! I truly love your Biblical series and Bible based lectures, equally the other subjects you focus on. The gift you provide your audience cannot be fully repaid. A heartfelt thank you from our family of six who listen, dissect and digest together.
As a youth, when I was confirmed, I was told that one of the gifts available I could pray for from The Holy Spirit, was the gift of Wisdom. So I prayed and prayed asking the Holy Spirit for any wisdom that He thought I might be worthy of. Over time so much has been made clear and opened up to my understanding. I am so grateful to the Holy Spirit for His gifts. Jordan, I would love for you to pray the Sorrowful Mysteries of the Rosary with Bishop Barron. Wow , he explaineds everything so well. I would love to know what you think.
Jordan please keep doing live events if you can, I am in the UK and want see you in person, it would mean the world - currently I'm poor, but going to do everything I can to see and watch you live. Thank you for everything that you have done and continue to do.
Much grattitude & love from Belgium, to you & your family Jordan, you're so respected and you are a true inspiration, wishing you loads of good health.
I am really looking forward to this. Thank you for having Matthieu on, and Matthieu, thank you for being here.
One of the best Peterson conversations. And the is saying something. I love the bible and this will give me a valuable new key. THANKS!
Absolutely wonderful conversation, and I now have two new books on my to read list, thank you
Been looking forward to this forever!!
So have I everyone thought Dr Jordan Peterson was an atheist he busted their bubble 😂
The Pageaus are some of my favorite people, I empathize with their world view greatly.
Jordan Peterson this is my energetic signature and intent. I send you light, love, strength and power. For as long as you align with the heavenly father and work with us all in taking down the chaos. You are spiritually protected and every step you take supported. Any sword against you will be blunt and any arrow will miss. Amen!
Praise God that we are able to watch men of such intellectual and spiritual caliber have this type of discussion. We are blessed.
Matthieu Pageau in a video?! That's a rare treat.
a bit surprised to learn that JP didn't remember the first interview.
it was wonderful!
as is this one!
grace and peace everyone 💜💕
Intriguing conversation. Ironically, I wrote a thesis on snake symbolism, after having 40 snake dreams in which the creature appeared polymorphously, as friend and foe, culprit, magician, healer, etc. It is very interesting how "loaded" the snake / serpent and our response to it is. Anything that evokes such an intense response in so many people must be worthy of discussion and seen as a doorway to the depths.
Im extremely interested. I also sometimes dream of a snake.
I read The Language of Creation after almost two years of rediscovering Christianity. I just wanted Christianity to make sense to me once again as a mature and well educated young man. Pageau's ideas in this commentary felt like intuition for me as I read, and it was not hard to grasp the ideas, but I went through a time that i thought I was going mad because I could not stop looking at the world and reading it like I read the commentary. I went through some serious mental health issues for a few months (because I was scared I wasn't going to be normal again), but when I emerged, I was better than ever. I believe this book helped me know the truth and the truth set me free.
Thank you Matthieu.
Love form Zimbabwe.
09:44 Hearing Peterson realize that the word “point” is a description of the top of a hierarchy brought me joy after years of hearing the Pageaus make these kinds of profound elaborations on such colloquial language.
Nihilists and atheists use hierarchical language all the time without noticing the contradiction. The world is a hierarchy and symbolism reveals it all around us.
To Jordan Peterson.
Bless you for allowing God to use you in such a profound way. You are greatly loved and appreciated by a large group of learners and searchers including myself. Thank you, sir.
Finally this book is getting more recognition and heck yeah-it’s great! Thank you JP
Thank you for carrying on the discourse of the many truths in the Bible, preserved all these years for our understanding. Chuck Missler was the most influential in my understanding of the wholeness of the Bible, and his background was Information Science (computers, mathematics). He showed the many threads and codes throughout the Bible as God revealed himself, from Genesis to Revelation. My first day at a Bible-teaching church, I saw myself immediately as we studied in Chronicles…body and soul, relationships and life on earth and a Holy God who loves us🙏💔💝 So much to learn to know Him, to know Jesus, the only WAY still living in us❣️
Jonathan is fantastic, but my mind works more like Matthew's. He's wonderfully direct - a true gift of clarity.
Interestingly, Matthew, being the more reclusive brother, is more direct, and Jonathan, the more public figure, is more abstract. A great combination.
I feel like the description you give of the brothers is respectively the very essence (frac) of Adam and Eve - religion and science - politics and Eve and the serpent - Christ and god. The former being the living physical and the latter being the living essence of creation. The former being concrete manifestation of the latter being the very essence of creation as the spirit that cannot be explained but is experienced. And the former being an exaggerated manifestation of the attempts to explain the latter which inevitably is a distortion (by verbal language) of the experienced psychological reality and the psychological reality is just too magnificent in its subtle being to be interpreted and or understand by or through any means of human communication.
The latter is an elastic band - the former is the manipulation of shapes but no matter what shape the elastic band is pulled into, no matter how magnificent, how attractive the shape - it cannot be held without sustained effort which in itself is unsustainable and thus the elastic band ALWAYS reverts back to its natural form - because it just IS and can only exist according to the laws of nature. That is life essence, creation, karma, the Holy Spirit, Christ, God- THAT is consciousness.
I cannot really verbalise the essence of what I am feeling/understanding without distorting it with all the words used above…. I hope it at least kind of makes sense to you?
@@Nous520 This is how I see it: Jonathan is the artistic more sensible (woman/earth/left/practical/eve) type, while Mathiew is the math genius more structured (man/heaven/right/theoric/adam) type. Could not imagine how cool was for both of them to grew together, complementing each other while developing their symbolic point of view. Nevertheless, we are soooo lucky to have them!
Jonathan wasn’t kidding, this is a miracle!!
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Very interesting. I asked myself, did I understand what you were saying. I’m just an average person with not a lot of education, so I prayed before listening, asking God to give me spiritual understanding. What I got out of it is an understanding of how much I do not know, and how high Gods ways are. Having said that, I know why Jesus said we must become like little children. Simple faith and trust in God the father. One day when we cross over I believe he will give us all the understanding we need and want. I thank you for the video and your commentary, it at least helps me see what a great awesome God we serve!
Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Finally someone understands why emperor Constantine was brilliant in his insight to what the cross symbolism
could contribute to stabilizing a delicate political puzzle. He found the one piece that brought peace to the Roman Empire at a critical time in its history. Cutting strait to the chase..............
The imagery of the Cross is the vertical line represrnting the connecting the energy of multiple other dimensions to this 3rd dimension as in " In the name of the Father and of the Son.
Then the horizontal "through the power of the Holy Spirit" indicates the energy of spirit as the conduit between dimentions.
The body language is great because the signing of the cross is so rudimentary and confirming of intention. It's like dialing the operator for your connection.
Also, tapping the forehead draws the attention of the mind's soul to be aware that tapping the heart will energize a 3rd dimention focused message through the energy power of the Holy Spirit. Amen.
It's tiring listening to critics of the Cross symbol claiming that Christianity is a blood culture. I wish our own team understood the symbol that Constantine so wisely read into that image and how well it established a code for faith, hope and charity and malleable through time regardless of human shortcomings. After all, the was only one human without a stain on his character and he served as Whipper Boy for the rest of us or so the biblical narrative reads. Of course life is more complex and thzt's why we have metaphors and allegories but religion gives the roadmap to faith, hope and charity to all inclusive. Symbolism of Cross is shortcut to all incusive Agape love not a blood cult closed Society code. The restraints of religion are psychological but that serves the objective of civil behavior otherwise human reaction will lead to knee-jerk reaction and regrete. Religious symbalism keep us in the zone of remembering who, what, where, etc and respect for all others from any walk of life. Picturing the open communication symbol of the Cross I say 'In the name of the Creator and of the Son through the power of the Holy Spirit have a Happy Easter' Agape Salute. Cheers.
Oh man...I've been waiting for this moment ever since reading your book Matthieu. It was so helpful in helping me understand the mind of Western man. Can't wait to watch this.
Brings a lot of clarity to ancient texts .
I cant believe Mathieu did this. Outstanding.
This was so edifying. Thank you! I always enjoy listening to the Pageau brothers.
Wonderful to hear more from Matthieu. Excellent interview - eye opening as always from the Pageaus and lots to think about . 👏👏👏
Love this. Matthieu draws out some of the old JBP in this interview.
How could possibly somebody regardless of being religious or atheist not liking such a beautiful conversation?
I do have to add another comment, this one to say that I wish very much that I had heard or read some of MR. Peterson when I was a young man. His search for meaning has benefited many, and continues to help me navigate the world. I am an ex heroin addict, clean for almost 7 years now, and the single most difficult thing for me as I continue to emerge from that life is the question of what to do with myself. I suspect that this particular question is what led me into addiction in the first place. Today's young men have no heroes, are told that their natural state of being is toxic, have no REAL role models. One cannot aspire to be an elder in a community, because our (male) community is gone. Mr. Peterson IS MY PERSONAL HERO. His search, his questions, his insight, his accomplishments, his humility, and his perseverance. I feel that we fight many of the same battles; Jordan's very public fight with depression and anxiety has assured me that there IS another side to come into when the fight is won. Thank you Mr. Peterson, for everything you give of yourself in order to educate others.
5 podcasts. Jonathan, Matthieu, John and Jordan. Now that would give birth to something epic
bro, theres no way we can lose you in a croud
Read Matthieu's book! I have read a lot of books and it is easily in my top 5 all time. It is unique and amazing and will change your perspective on how you view the Bible and the world!
It's really easy to get lost in Jordan's description of things... the language he uses. But every now and again, when you follow the thinking through, you get blown away.
"Lost" indeed.
Peterson was covered by 'Some More News' and gifted a whole Video-Essay just about him. Not just that video is epic though but the enitre channel is - i would go so far as to call it the News-Source for Atheists.
I can not describe how much utility this conversation offers. Excellent!
This was what I needed to understand a portion of John Vervaeke's historical half of the meaning crisis series. I really struggled to make sense of the continuous cosmos and also what that meant in relation to the gnostic cosmology. Now after about a year it finally all clicked into place. Thank you Matthieu. This was so valuable.
Also the discussion of the first-born was really helpful. As an only-child, this paints the stories in a light that resonated and afforded some insight
This filled so many gaps for me, things I knew had to be there but couldn't find. As I recall the scriptures that I can, what Matthieu has learned fits perfectly and further explains every one of them.
See, the way my alarm system is set up...💁🏽♂️📜
Thank you guys I truly appreciate
You guys, we do need these types of conversations badly. Love.
What a conversation. Absolutely beautiful.
I like that Dr. Peterson actually let Matthieu speak without interrupting or spinning off on tangents.
Appreciative of the pace, tone, explanation in the new forming ideas in the conversation, the highlighting of the parallels, and open energy in the conversation. For all the denseness/heaviness of the topics, this conversation was accessible and stimulated new ways of thinking. Enjoyed this one, thank you both!
Peterson was covered by 'Some More News' and gifted a whole Video-Essay just about him.
What a combo! So good to finally see you talk with Matthieu!
You are a gift to us all..thank you Mr Peterson, I rely on your shows to get thru these times 👍
invigorating, nourishing , many of us are in tears of all emotion , pure appreciation and open peaceful wonder .... they are saying they feel your good intentions and love for this perplexing experience of body, conscious, space, ... many are also saying its healing and motivating and appreciate the manner and gentle translation of such difficult conceptions, experiences, stories, ... life.... the response is overwhelming and i agree deeply from the highest..... thank you , health and peace all
I used to find Jordan’s educated words too hard to understand and yet I have revisited thru the y tube algorithm Jordan again and wow he is so brilliant and thank God for his new found faith
I believe that JP's statement that ''I act as if God exist'' is insufficient for entering the Kigdom of God, imo, and too convenient for man's ego. I would say JP is close to Christ, but not born of the Spirit. He relies too much on his own intelligence to understand that which can only be understood and discerned spiritually once you're converted.
Luc Malafarina Jordan broke down in tears speaking with Jonathan about the crucifixion and resurrection; his heart knows what his head isn't comfortable with; I haven't heard the "act as if" statement for some time.
I am thankful for your contribution to humanity Jordan.
These conversations are absolutely profound, like I discovered some secret treasure nearly upon every listen.
I read Matthew's Book at least twice and was absolutely stunned by it's clarity in presenting these ideas. I really hope to hear more Matthew he balances his brother Jonathan's view in an important way.
Thank You Mr. Matthieu Pageau , for your time today, your long exploration and dedication to squaring our insight :)
Matthew’s comments about Eve are BRILLIANT
HE'S ALIVE 😳
You have been told
Wonder how his trip to California went.
And coming back soon!
haha, the mythical Mattheu!
@@MyPlaylistWillSaveAmerica They were not expecting him to be so brutally honest and knowledgeable 😂
I love this conversation. I love seeing things in a fractal way, I am careful not to become lost. I usually try to do something to record or document what I see , which if I am really in the flow turns out like a mix of fractal geometry and abstract art including other things I can barely describe it , I find that with a bit of patience, and reflection on a piece that I can see and interpret and perceive what it is or was that I was seeing for lack of better words. Sometimes it's drawings and numbers and connections and writings. Like receiving a download of information I try keep myself tapped in as long as I can whilst I note down and or create some kind of translation of whatever it is or was. My mind is usually an observer and I use my senses to help aid the focus to complete which usually is at the time of an inner prompt to drop my pen and breathe . By the way , the lamp that looks like an 8 or an infinity symbol behind Matthiew captured my eye, I find it to be quite interesting. Thank you both for this, it is very interesting and productive and good conversation. Much to ponder on. Labyrinths dont work , nor a maze , it is more like a design that allows movement and flow and openess and ease of navigation and good intent rather than a troubling trap like place or path or trail. It is worth the while looking at landscape design and permiculture design , garden design. I am currently busy developing one right now that is almost like a mandala and there are many functions to take into account and attention to detail as well as careful tending to and re modeling , but basically it's the aim to be innovative and life aiding , no Labyrinths or mazes or puzzles or confusion at all, it is not okay to create an illusion. It has to actually work. Certain music helps me here . I really think that understanding the principles of photography would help you understand light and perception and perspective etc A picture is worth way more than words, it has a great large amount of information embedded in it. Go into understanding the history, development, current, and graphic design , principles of each. They help a tremendous amount. Even learning photography will expand your mission. I completely agree that it takes proof . Application. And obedience. Carrying out instructions and teachings. I'm already busy . The method works you are right , Matthiew- you are very gifted. Jordan , yet again well done, you are a legend
Thank you for this! Anchored me again ❤️
As always, amazing content, amazing discussion. Thank you to you both
Fantastic. I just got done reading 'The Language of Creation' yesterday. It was very eye-opening. This conversation is such perfect timing.
"Humanity's purpose in the universe is to know God as the perfect answer to the riddle of life and death." -Matthieu Pageau, The Language of Creation: Cosmic Symbolism: A Commentary
What a wonderful conversation! Thank you for sharing. The 2+ hours flew by quickly. I will have to listen to it at least one more time just to make sure I'm not missing anything.
Absolutely mind blowing and sensitive analysis you two! I experienced bursts of joy listening to you discuss ideas that I could not until now articulate adequately ❤️