Why Is That? | The Steve Dangle Podcast
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- čas přidán 8. 06. 2024
- On this episode of The Steve Dangle Podcast,
00:00 The Toronto Maple Leafs Lose in OT to the New York Islanders
11:00 Nick Robertson's role and future on the Leafs
33:30 The Ottawa Senators continue to struggle
49:30 The Winnipeg Jets and the history of Sens goaltending
1:00:15 Corey Perry could be returning to the NHL
1:08:15 Elias Pettersson's contract
1:19:00 Changes at sdpn
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I remember a pod from a while back where the guys kinda mentioned that the numbers on the game over streams were low, but they were optimistic they'd get better. They never did. I'm not surprised this day has come.
Fellas, yesterday was hard but I think you make the right decision. Streamlining and doubling down on your strengths will grow the network way more in my opinion. I think though, a lot of fans would appreciate if we were listened to more or made to feel like we have been listened to more. I've seen many people ask for separate channels for shows, and even suggest that they would sign up for an SDPN patreon or channel membership.
It makes me weary when a lot of genuine goodwilled feedback you get from fans is taken as toxic. We all want to see SDPN thrive
Absolutely!!!! Feedback has been crap!
Well you can even ask any other youtuber; it just makes more sense to have multiple channels for different content rather than loading it all up onto one channel. The hockey guy has a 2nd channel to talk about non hockey stuff because one time he did a video that wasn't hockey and noticed people unsubsribed from him. Even if it's a few people here or there, think about how long SDPN has been trying to get to 100k subscribers.
@@TrAvi5link Yup. Sometimes by trying to appeal to everyone to increase your audience, you end up alienating the fans that got you there in the first place.
@@TrAvi5linkThe hockey guy also does everything these guys do, but better and broader. They have a niche market. Which is completely fine, it just means it's very difficult to end up with a tonne of subscribers and views when it's a niche audience.
100% agree. Even before GameOver had its first stream, we all made our opinions known and nothing was changed. This is the first video podcast I've 'watched' since GameOver started because trying to navigate the YT page was God Awful. None the less, I think you are right that there needs to be a lot more consideration for what the fans think.
Steve, Adam, and Jesse took a chance. They bet on themselves and they bet on the content creators that they platformed. Sometimes it doesn’t work out, that doesn’t make the three of them bad people or even bad business people, it just didn’t work, that happens in life sometimes. It sucks right now, but hopefully everyone involved pulls experience out of this that allows them to grow and be better prepared for their next opportunity.
It's somewhat ironic to lose a *bet* on yourself mainly due to shameless gambling ads drying up. Wanna bet?
@@sammymcsamface9366 all add revenue is drying up.. official recession 2025..
Sure, but also they've had countless people telling them that spamming hundreds of low effort low quality game over shows on the main channel is leading to people unsubscribing and turning people away from their content, causing damage to the entire channel and chances in the algorithm, and now here we are. Bad people, no, but bad business people, yeah kinda. We'll see if they learned anything from it, maybe they'll research the platform they're on for 5 seconds next time and have some more success
@@Jubedy you ever work in this space? It’s not as easy as it looks from behind a keyboard or phone screen. Sports media, content creation, YT it’s a difficult as hell space to crack. It’s not as easy as “researching for 5 seconds” or listening to what people in the comments say. They put their money and their livelihoods on the line for their dream. I’m not gonna look down on that because an idea they had didn’t work. Tons of ideas don’t work.
@@eprovidentjr Sports media, no i haven't. Doesn't make a lick of difference, this is youtube, and i do know that spamming out garbage on the same page you put out your alright content severely hurts your outreach. Everyone who wants to run a business on here should know this by now, especially if they've been at it for years, and if they don't then I'm sorry but they're bad at their jobs.
I am not going to look down on them for trying to make game over work, I am going to say they fucked it pretty hard before it could ever get off the ground the way they tried to go about it. It is actually as easy as researching for 5 seconds that wasting your limited amount of given space on peoples feeds with subpar content is going to cause them to not click on it, or click on it and then quickly click off. That doesn't just hurt the one video, that hurts the entire channel.
CZcams is not an easy nut to crack, but its a hell of a lot easier if you don't shoot both your arms off before trying it. also, not listening to your audience doesn't make you smarter than them, it makes you quickly irrelevant. You shouldn't take every random hateful comment to heart, but you should absolutely be paying attention when people are constantly saying hey, i don't like my feed being flooded with these videos (or in many cases, announcements for a mediocre stream after a game that's a day away still), I think I'm going to have to unsubscribe.
First of all, sorry to hear about the layoffs on Thursday, and a big thank you to everyone on this channel for all the hard work they put into it, especially those who are no longer with SDPN. I hope their skills shine elsewhere and they find what they're looking for.
In terms of my favourite team, the Senators, I'm at a loss for words as to how things have fallen off so quickly. This is the second straight month where they have gone on a 5-game road trip and gotten ZERO OUT OF A POSSIBLE 10 POINTS. At one point, I at least could say they are just under 500 hockey and they can turn things around with a big winning streak. They need to win 9 in a row just to get back to 500 hockey. There are only a few teams in the East with below-500 records. Buffalo, with that win, is 12 points ahead of Ottawa. And they are 7th in the Atlantic Division or something like that.
The one thing that gives me hope is the recent progress of the Jets, Canucks, and Flyers. All of them were going through rough patches last year. All of them had some bad mojo throughout the season that seemed, at times, inescapable. This year, the Jets and Canucks are competing for the best record in the whole damn league, while the Flyers are contending for a Wild Card spot in a bananas Metro Division. If those teams can turn it around in less than a year, maybe Ottawa can be that team next season.
But the Sens aren't going to turn it around this season. The learning curve is way too steep right now. They won't get out of the hole they've dug themselves before April. And this is the time where management needs to really evaluate the talent that is there.
What the young players will learn over the next few months is going to determine their future with the Ottawa Senators. And if they don't learn it fast enough, I fear that they will be on the wrong side of some gutsy decisions by management.
I just hope that management makes the right decisions and brings in the right people. With the coaching staff being at the top of the list. Martin is probably the guy to finish this season, but I'm very hesitant on keeping him full-time as the head coach. I think the role he was originally brought in for is the formula that works best for the long-term. If they can somehow poach Brind'Amour from Carolina, that is the best thing they can do. He preaches fitness. He takes no excuses. He preaches solid two-way play. He gets results. And they way that Carolina plays (aggressive forecheck and backcheck) is the way that Ottawa needs to play, IMO, to take that next step and be a consistent playoff threat.
I love this team. I love the guys that represent this team. But I am accepting the fact that a big change will be made if this stretch of losing continues for much longer - whether it happens during the Trade Deadline or most likely the off-season. A change that goes beyond veteran NHLers on expiring contracts.
Stutzle, Tkachuk, and Sanderson aren't going anywhere. I keep Giroux for as long as I can because he produces and he has the all-around game that Ottawa lacks elsewhere. They have 4 more years of Korpisalo, so I doubt they give up on him this early.
Beyond those guys, I don't think anyone is safe. I guess it all depends on what they have, what they don't have, what they need, and what it will take to get what they need in order to perform better.
Glad they addressed the layoffs. I don't have any inside baseball but there have been a couple of hints that ther may be financial struggle at SDPN. I hope the guys persevere.
Look at the numbers if you know what CZcams cpm’s are it just doesn’t add up which is stupid .. content creators get criminally underpaid in my opinion
In my opinion, the studio sunk them more than the people they laid off or the content they were creating. I know several decently successful content creators with families and they're also struggling just working out of their spare rooms.
@@unoriginalandrewyou mean like the financial investment in the studio? Just clarifying. I never thought of that.
@@daylinsamis-grix7574If you think about it that’s a good chunk of change every month I can see them going back to adams basement etc
The loss of Sports Interaction as a sponsor is far more significant than renting a studio space.@@unoriginalandrew
I am sorry to hear about the shutting down of a lot of great shows. I truly enjoyed having the game over Edmonton shows on. it was a lot of fun to have those shows to cheer, and vent or any emotion that the games brought us. The hosts for the game over Edmonton were fantastic
Sorry to hear that you guys had to do that layoff stuff. I've been a fan of Steve and the pod since around 2019 or 2020 and I just wanted to say that your content got me through some hard times. I relate to Steve a ton as a 36 year old with a toddler that's about the same age. Sometimes I just leave my laptop with your videos running cause' I want you guys to succeed more than anything else on CZcams. I don't have an opportunity to hang out with many people as a busy Dad, but when I turn on the pod it's just like hanging out with old friends...or "the B'ys" as they says back home. Anyways, wish you guys the best going forward, and I look forward to the future content.
I love you guys man, I've been a fan for so long, more than a decade. I want you guys to succeed so hard because I know how much this means. I'll continue to support SDPN as a company for as long as you'll have me. And we're all proud of how far you guys have come.
Really like you comment on the layoff. That felt human. Only think i will change is the part where steve felt that one random comment on twitter somehow made him also a victim in all of this.
Glad they addressed the layoffs. Wish they could have said more, but I’m glad they acknowledged it at least and gave some level of an explanation.
Why would they have to say more? It's a fact of work life.
Totally appreciate your words about the layoffs and Game Over. I think it's worth noting, while I respect that it's very sad and tough to lose any aspect of work but especially these days, I don't think many of these creators were working full-time at the company. SDPN went through monumental growth very quickly, as did many similar channels and networks in a similar time period. The resources it requires to bring one show, let alone 5, 10, 15, to air every day, and pay the creators and the contract employees behind the scenes to make it all happen, takes a real toll.
Nothing but respect for this pod and this group. My thoughts really are with the people looking for new avenues to put out content they love. I hope that they continue the journey on their own.
This is the best response I've seen so far. I hope all those creators learned what it takes and can build on that. I also hope that if those creators try it on their own, that the core SDPN guys would jump on their shows to get some eyes on that product.
Game Over Toronto became such a huge part of how I experience hockey and I'm really going to miss it. Thank you for addressing the issue and not trying to sugar coat it or minimise the impact of the decision on the people who lost their jobs. It sucks that it couldn't keep going.
Yay! So glad you talked about Joey Daccord and how awesome he has been playing. The Kraken are on an 8-game winning streak with points in the last 12 games. They show no signs of slowing down.
I had a gut feeling that the Sens made a mistake the second they left Joey Daccord unprotected in the Expansion Draft. So happy to see him crushing it with the Kraken this season. A theme that will hopefully continue for years to come. In the short time he was an Ottawa Senator, he gave his team a chance to win in basically every game he played. Which says a lot when you remember that, instead of Sanderson and Chychrun, Ottawa had Top 4 rearguards like Nikita Zaitsev.
I can't wait for when Joey inevitably scores a goal. I hope it's this season! I'll lose my mind
1:12:20 Auston scored 106 points in his 60-goal season. He did it the year before Petey.
Layoffs are always hard. As a former construction worker, I’ve been subjected to many layoffs. Thank you guys for addressing this and thank you for being stand up people!!!
Matthews had a 106 point season in 21-22. Can't believe Adam screwed that one up.
You will preserve. Sorry to the folks who were layed off. SDPN boys... keep on keeping on. Better times await. Enjoy the ride.
Seeing a lot of positivity in the comments. ❤ I agree with what’s been said already - you guys are amazing for doing SDPN full time and being willing to hire other talent to share the spotlight. I didn’t watch much Game Over, but I watched enough to know those are good folks who we’ll see again. Appreciate your honesty and candor on this.
"He's big, he's bald, he's Alex Auld!"
- Steven
love you guys.
What the hell are you on about the petey situation
Canucks have never once said they didn't want to sign him
Theyve always wanted to but petey made it very clear he didnt want to talk contract till after the season
1:07:24 the cross over i didn't know i needed but made my week!
Can’t believe no mention about the Kevin Hayes thing
At UBS arena, in Elmont NY, on Long Island, in New York State
I was under the impression the game over channels were volunteer based. I know the individuals were selected and dedicated to it but i thought it was setup to be an experiment from the beginning to see how it would be accepted
When Steve screams, I miss Hat Picks and DangIts the hardest.
Hearing mad dog laughing in the background is amazing
I figure the sports betting ads ban for influencers has probably caused this. Feel sorry the folks losing their jobs.
Nick Robertson is where he needs to be. He should be on a strength and conditioning program that will help him stay on his skates when he is up against big piles of meat. He should be learning how to improve his ability to see on ice problems before they happen. He should improve his skating to get out of predicaments, ( he should be spending more time than Nylander does on his edge work ), like Gilmour, Keon, and so many others did - and Cale Makar does. For a while he needs someone on the team to be willing to exact revenge when he is being bullied. He has a great shot. Everything else needs to be superior.
Thank you for giving them a chance . I hope there’s a little more of an official statement
Hey watching my leafs here in Nova Scotia there driving my blood pressure up and so is Greg Button lol
The RobDomKrok line should be amazing
I think your takes on Ottawa are on point. Everything was done too quickly. They went from last place in the NHL to the general manager saying “we want to be a cup contender” and tried to change the whole structure of the team, when it wasn’t the right time. Guys are too young, no experience, they’re a couple years away, similar to what’s going on in New Jersey. I think expectations are way too high.
I hope SDPN learn an extremely valuable lesson from this: we are here for YOU, not for a bunch of regular people. We are here for the dynamic that Steve, Adam and Jesse brings. I started eith LFR and occasionally watch the JBSR, but ive stayed for this because of you three.
You guys have gotten this far because, like it or not, you are the pros. Please do not expand outside yourself, none of us are here for that. Strengthen your strengths. I think your time and effort should be made in making the SDPN podcast better.
If we trade Robertson It’s a Verhage situation. He has such flashes of talent!
Just remember Hyman was the free agent deal ever lol. Aged on so well.
Hi guys, I run a small business and have had to do layoffs myself. When you lay-off someone who is otherwise performing well but you just can’t afford to keep it’s unpleasant. You had ambitious plans and never be ashamed of reaching for them. Perhaps in a few years you can get back there. It’s difficult for sure and I feel for you but make sure you never lose that empathy. Caring for your employees and doing the best you can reasonably do for them is important.
Imagine being at that Babcock/Long Island game....
Petterson and alvin both came out and said let him focus on hockey this season and we can talk off seaspn
Companies lay off employees all the time but it seems only small content creators get any crap for it.
99.9k subs!🎉
Man…that outro really resonated with me. Being in a similar start-up situation (in a totaly different business) sucks no matter what side of the fence you are on…
I know you are not supposed to take it personally…but in the end you are only human.
Hang in there.
Both Anton Forsberg and Pascal Leclerc came from columbus to ottawa pascal was pretty good for a bit
i dont remeber anything coming out vancouver saying they werent sure about pettey. that BS came out of toronto.
Which shows were canceled? Is there an announcement somewhere or did I miss it?
All the Game Overs and the Basketball show
@@nickchambers2540thank you for the info!
I feel bad for the Game Over crew. I didn’t watch much but it seemed like a good time. Although I knew adding Basketball to the channel wasn’t going to work. You could tell by how little views it got.
The biggest mistakes made were trying to expand too quickly and throwing out all of these shows, and lumping them all in under one channel. I admire the aspirations for grander things and betting on yourselves, but trying to build up so quickly is a tough thing to do. And throwing everything under one umbrella instead of building up a few smaller channels and getting better metrics that way was a big swing and miss. Hopefully this is a learning experience, but please study the CZcams algorithm past the success of one channel. It takes far more work than that.
Steve does a decent Babcock impression.
Well. I can finally subscribe again. Missed getting notifications from Jesse Blake because I actually use CZcams and 700 game over bells is annoying! Sorry to everyone laid off.
Good point Steve! Cbj owner an gm have been not involded. Or abscemt.
Let’s go!!
Adam, how do you call yourself a Leafs fan yet you think Matthews hasnt scored the ONLY Leafs 100 point season in the past how many decades? Unreal
SDPN should really just be The Podcast, CJ Show, and AP.
Bingo. Hard to believe the core team can not see this
Hey guys I'm unsure who you guys have had to cut? Is it all game over shows and what's their platform information? I'd like to still support the people.
I’m no social media expert but I’ve been listening to the SDP for 10 years. 1 thing I’d recommend is different channels. I couldn’t find videos and podcast because so many episodes or premiering tags were up. Es basketball videos were good but to find them I had to scroll through so many videos. Same as game over, I saw it everywhere and it filled up my timeline so much it was just white noise.
There's a playlist of the SDPN main shows on their Home page of the channel. It takes literally 3 seconds to find the latest episode. Isn't that hard.
People recommending second channels have no clue how this business works. It might seem like a good idea logically, but in the reality of a small CZcams business its not.
@@KS-xk2soi agree with you on the second channel however, the issue they had is the SDPN audience were getting louder with voicing their displeasure at having them spam the timeline. It's fine line, doesn't help that they deem all feedback as negative 🤷♂️. Just look at he comments, game over was dead on arrival
The reason why seattle had terrible save percentage last year was they had had the 2nd least shots against in the league. So the shots that got through went in and the goalies didnt have good save percentages
What does that even mean? Lol. Second lowest shots against doesn't correlate to lower save%
Or are you just saying "The goalies were bad"?
@@people3865 saying that they suppressed more shots against then most other teams. And the goalies are bad or just look bad because they don't face a lot of shots. Including poor quality shots. So if the only shots getting through go in (or most of them) that leads to worse numbers despite them getting the wins
Why did I think Noah Gregor was like 35
Soo are there only 3 shows left at SDPN? There was no official statement, just a public apology to those that lost their jobs. Not that they dont deserve the apology, but dont fans of the respective shows deserve an official statement from the Company? Instead of hearing the show is finished from hosts.
What do you think about bellows in ahl
Is this the beginning of the end for the company? Would really suck to bet on yourself and it not pay off.
Take care, fellas.
“When we started expanding, and we started expanding rapidly, we did so under an economic structure that made sense at the time. That has since changed, and it changed very rapidly, and I’m sure everybody’s aware of the cuts not only in media but also across all industries right now.”
Listen, I respect the guys a lot, and think what they did was admirable, but to blame the layoffs on the economics of the country, just seems like a lame excuse.
More accurately, they rapidly expanded what they offered, and in doing so, had to pay the creators. They likely understood that it may not catch on right away, but the idea is the financial commitment you make short term, would eventually be made up in the long term, even if it meant an initial loss.
Without knowing their finances, my guess is Game Over wasn’t profitable last season, but they expected to turn a corner this season, and it never seemed to grow. They couldn’t risk spending more for growth that isn’t guaranteed, and thus had to cut their losses now. I don’t think anyone would fault them if they explained that this was the main reason for the layoffs (which I think is likely).
You can blame the layoffs on being too ambitious, on misguided optimism, or even a lack of foresight. But to blame it on the “economic situation” just feels like corporate jargon. It’s a little disappointing to see from 3 guys who advocate away from regular traditional corporations.
I don’t even really disagree with the decision to cut Game Over, just think it could have been handled a bit better.
Now take this with a grain of salt because I'm from the states, but wasn't there a big ban on bet advertisements in Canada? if there was (which again am not sure) then they could have lost major revenue. They might have a had a development plan with the gambling revenue and when they lost it they lost they funds to sustain that development. AKA the economic structure.
@chriskarafinski2640 yes. influencers, celebs, etc are not allowed to promote online gambling through ads starting next month I believe. I wouldn't be surprised if they have to cut agent provacateur and even the cj show.
@@chriskarafinski2640 is correct regarding the ban.
As per the CBC on September 2nd: "Companies offering online gambling to Ontarians will soon have to try new some approaches to advertising, as a provincial regulator moves to bar athletes and other celebrities from promoting their services. [...] The amended rules from the Alcohol and Gaming Commission of Ontario (AGCO) also prohibit from ads any entertainers, social-media influencers, role models and cartoon characters who would likely be expected to appeal to underage Ontarians. [...] Because the incoming Ontario regulations won't go into effect until late February, they won't be in force during the upcoming NFL season, or across much of the NBA and NHL seasons."
The game over shows turned over Pennie’s compared to the dollars the creators were getting if you looked at basic CZcams cpm
The "economic structure that made sense" is talking about the immoral advertising of gambling to kids. Very glad that law changed in Canada to fight the gambling ads at least a little bit.
Giroux is from Hearst Ontario*
I think if you can’t see why game over was cancelled then I’ll tell you to just look at the views. 1k to 2K per game over just isn’t going to cut it can’t pay respectable wages when the videos aren’t bringing in any money. It was a good idea and an admirable effort but I think yall still have a really good thing going without those shows it just sucks to see a plan fall through.
Those videos were like spam in my feed.
Yeah, I love listening to post game shows of the Canadian teams but I almost never listened to game over. Why? Because there's already official post game shows for every team with actual professionals, callers texts etc on radio. Even on CZcams there's Leafs talk after every game with Bunkis, Mckee and Bourne
It’s going to be brutal for the Canucks to stay this good next year with the amount of players in this roster that need to be signed after this season
Some expensive contracts are coming off the books, and some of the cheap contracts are playing way above expected, I don't think it's going to be to bad.
Adam says a lot of stats without info to back it. Matthew’s had 106 points in his 60 goal season in 21-22
I'll be real here, when major corporations lay off people they usually don't make statements like, "well everyone else is doing it". Just say it sucks, because it does. Say it was, while unfortunate, necessary for the long-term health of the company, which it was. I'm glad they at least admitted that they made mistakes but all they had to do was listen to their die-hard listeners who said that GameOver wasn't what was wanted or needed. This is a learning experience for sure and I hope this ends in a positive for everyone.
Matthews has in fact scored 100+ when he scored 60 he also had 46 assists for 106 points
Feel sad for those layed off but, it's not surprise. You need to pay closer attention to your audience feeedback and not deem it all negative especially if the numbers back it up. Hopefully a step back to get 2 steps forward 🙏
Didn't Keefe straight up say that Robertson was being scratched to evaluate Holmberg?
Kinda surprised, don't see mention of the Kevin Hayes situation
(Maybe because they'd find themselves agreeing with John Tortorella? 🤔)
What a reach, they are not completely anti Torts, this is a Leafs centric show and there's so much to touch on over the league
@@thechefmikeah yes how foolish of me, why talk about that when there's rumors and speculation to be made about Corey Perry lol
@@kasdjkfghalksjdhg again nothing to do with apparently being anti Torts...which again they've acknowledged he can still be a good coach
No one complained about Mc Cabe starting in overtime when they won, same thing happened when Kampf started, all fine till they lose.
Talking about Wits And program it mule over DEW
Nick Robertson is a defenceman right? 😂
As an Islander fan I love this rivalry. There's been dirty stuff going on between these two teams for decades and decades and the JT debacle seal the deal. Also, it's not difficult to understand: ON is for land surrounded by bodies of water ON territories. Long Island is a piece of land on water on the territory of new york. If you have a country that is its own territory like Barbados you say in Barbados. You live in hawaii, you live on the island of maui. It's not rocket science it's basic English with a splash of Geography.
About the Sens goaltending.
The reason they moved on from guys like Bishop and Lehner was because they had Anderson as their guy.
They lost Daccord to the expansion draft as well, and it was either him or Gustavsson that woulda been exposed.
Gonna be brutally honest boys, you started pumping out absolute crap content with those countless low effort game over shows and it drowned out the content that was worth watching. I'm positive it's tanked your standing in the CZcams algorithm.
Frankly, you should consider culling more than just Game Over and if there are any non-hockey productions you insist on retaining, you need to shift those to other channels focused on that sport/topic. Lack of engagement on random F1 or NFL videos here on the main channel are not doing any favours for your viewership metrics and will be impacting how often your content is recommended to viewers. You arent TSN or Sportsnet, this isn't an advertising arm for your massive news network, this is it, this is how you butter your bread. You need to be able to play the CZcams game.
You need to do a better job maintaining quality across your channel, and that means vetting the quality of the hosts you feature (sorry to say a few of the folks hosting game over were too amateur and were not ready for the opportunity you gave them), as well as seriously considering the floor and ceiling of the foundation of each show before green lighting it. Game Over was an easy, low floor-low ceiling premise from the get-go and would've had to really capture lightning in a bottle to be a successful, quality production.
Maintaining quality also means managing sustainable growth. You should be developing one show at a time, cultivating it until it can stand on its own. Pooping out episode after episode of 6-7 brand new shows all at once spreads you too thin to ensure the quality of each new product, and doesn't provide the space and time for viewers to naturally grow comfortable and attached to the new content.
Love the pod, love a lot of the content here, and I wish for a successful 2024 for you guys ❤
well u forgot about their mission though.. esp. for game over.. they wanted to help people get into the media industry.. give people that chance under that game over platform.. some good some bad.. the problem with "game over" is that people have other avenues to watch people that have legitmate "media credentials" - ie guys that are paid to follow the team (from TV/radio/print media. etc..) post their own podcast of a post game rundown.. i myself listen to "rink wide" .. also the other problem is.. maybe someone literally finished watching the game.. are they really expecting someone to sit around another hour to listen to a recap?.. i mean how many hours has someone wasted on just pure entertainment.. instead of maybe going to bed.. it made sense back then when more people drove to the game and was listening to a talk show post game while heading home..
On a side note.. I don't know how familiar people are with macro economics and the current state of the north american economy.. All companies are tightening spending at this point.. 2024 and esp. 2025 (post US election).. companies could be hurting real bad.. inflation is out of control.. commercial lending is like super difficult also.. sports relevant companies like Nike already have begun layoffs.. where do companies cut first? advertisement dollars... this in affect hurts small companies that require ad dollars like SDPN..
It 100% tanked their discoverability, the hardcores were going to be here listening regardless but for discoverability having 10 videos a day on a bunch of different topics that all get next to no views will destroy a channels chance in the algorithm. If they want to try similar in the future they need to branch out and make separate channels, follow the linus tech tips lead or countless other successful creators with multiple channels for different forms of content.
I have read some good comments here regarding the layoffs, hopefully they can use the good comments as valuable feedback.
As someone else mentioned, it seems a little ironic that they buried this announcement in the end of a segment on a Friday, considering their own criticism of the league doing similar things.
1. Steve's reaction during this announcement was disappointing. Him taking that moment to pump his own tires and bash his fanbase came across as self centred and childish. I am sure this wasn't his intent and he cares deeply about this. He seemed emotional and underprepared to make a professional statement. He is the CEO of SDPN and this was not a good look. I know Adam is the host, but I think Steve should have fallen on the sword to head up this announcement. Hopefully he apologies for this and does better.
2. I know the internet is full of idiots, and creators have a lot to sort through, but it sounds like there was a lot of existing feedback regarding separating the channels that should not have been ignored. Sometimes the internet can give you some good feedback that is worth listening to. Your fans deserve to be listened to (sometimes!)
3, One other minor bit of feedback from myself is that next time you guys change the set visuals to hire someone professional to help you plan/colour coordinate the look, and listen to their advice. Even if you don't have the funds to hire someone, I am sure you have a friend who is good at interior design or even graphic design who has a good eye for what looks good. Your audio/technical production is fantastic, but the visuals don't match the podcast quality. Outsourcing this very important element should be a priority to take your show to the next level imo.
Thanks for all the hours of content you guys have produced. I listen to the SDP more than any other show.
Your first point is spot on ..
They have done a few pods in the room with chairs and a brick wall and everyone loved that set way more. Daniel Schiffer (has a pretty successful filmmaking channel) even commented on a podcast in that set and offered some pointers to make the lighting and set even better... but it was ignored
Point #1 is so spot on... nail on head
I’m may just be misremembering, but isn’t the actual story with the Canucks and Petey not that they weren’t sure that they didn’t want him, but that they weren’t sure if he was the 100 point player or not? Petey had been coming off two years where has was both hurt, and honestly not that good so they were wondering which was the real Pettersson. I feel like Adam has made a joke that he actually started believing was what actually happened.
Just a question are nfl logos the worst of the major sports?
Public pressure
I really like Robertson and I hope he finds a permanent role at some point. However, Holmberg is just a better all around player. Outside of his shot, I don't think Robertson does anything better than Holmberg. Robertson also gets bounced off the puck far to often and loses almost every puck battle along the boards. In my opinion, Holmberg has looked alot better than Robertson, especially in the last few games.
biggest bargains:
Draisaitl -> 8.5M
Makar -> 9.5M
Home Graded
robertson is an AHLer player -
Did we not listen to Steve complain about the Leafs core deals recently because RFAs don't have leverage? But Petterson does?
they put 2 D on PP2 because there only out there for 30 seconds. Also, robertson has been terrible on the break out to get out of the defensive end.
wait so more game over ?
1:09:00 ... Yeah... That never happened. This was all invented by the media.
In reality, Pettersson said he wants to play for a winning team and the Canucks said they want players to be excited to play in Vancouver. They were on the same page.
The shark *Tank*
Mathews has a 106 point season.
No more beers
Gregor has been fine and the fourth lines reliable leave it alone
Good riddance, get rid of all the extra bs like all the game overs
You trade J.Norris to Colorado for R.Johansen and 1st pick and a prospect. Let Johansen play 2nd C until Pinto is ready for that slot in a year or 2
Gotta sign PEZZA up, so what if he prefers coca over smelling salts, so does ya boi AM34
Hey, as a society we need to look at the positives and stop focusing on the negative. SDPN gave a lot of people a year of exposure to show off their talents. That is not nothing. It sucks they had to be laid off, but the positive is that they got a year to show off their skills and a year to gain experience. For those laid off, it sucks and most of us have been there.
Uhhh adam auston matthews scored 106 pts in 2022
Perry to either toronto, florida, Washington or back to tampa. Or... wait for it... Boston due to the fact that Lucic wont play this season
Regarding the layoffs, the decision behind them was solid and clearly the right one if you know anything about the downtrend in media right now. However, the way that SDPN handled it was extremely disappointing. There was no official announcement ANYWHERE, and the only reason people knew was because those that were let go gave statements on other platforms. The only mention from SDPN was in this episode (90% from Adam), hidden at the very end of it. To me the lack of execution on that in particular has more more concerned for the future of this company than any downtrend in media.
The audio is great, but the video, lighting, set, etc could use a lot of work. If you're no longer paying any of the staff that were let go, I hope you start investing that money into increasing your production quality.
If you do hire new staff in the future, from a business perspective it would be wise to hire people with actual industry experience. People don't start a business to make friends. Find people in the industry and bring them in. They don't need to be a big fish, but they can't be a small fish.
Podcasts are primarily audio format entertainment. The company is clearly having some financial issues, so the idea that they need to invest more into set design and lighting is beyond stupid.
Also, are you seriously complaining that the small business didn't plaster all over all their socials "HEY WE FAILED AT THIS THING! EVERYONE LOOK HOW BADLY THIS WENT! PLEASE PAY LOTS OF ATTENTION TO THE FACT THAT WE HAD TO SHUT DOWN SHOWS AND FIRE PEOPLE DUE TO A LACK OF SUCCESS!" As for no announcement, there was one. The day after the layoffs they announced them on their podcast. Adam, the co-CEO and Head of Programming, and HOST of the show, did most of the talking.... why is any of this a surprise? As for it being at the end of the show.... did you want them to lead with that downer of a segment? Jeez, sounds like the show would be real awesome after that..... common sense is a thing. Check it out.
I'm always amazed by the things people find ways to complain about.... go buy a yo-yo or something... literally anything would be a better use of your time.
@KS-xk2so the fact that you are commenting that the visuals aren't important on youtube is ironic. Thumbnails are one of the key things great youtubers make sure they do well. Compare a show like Real Kyper & Bourne's thumbnails and set with SDP. Real Kyper is bright, colourful, clean, crisp, and pleasing to the eye. It's professional. SDP looks like a dingy basement with 2 random shades of blue painted on concrete. They are trying, but graphic design and set layout and lighting is evidently not any of their gifts and recognising that could really elevate the show
@@koreyfreemanofficial Why would you compare a Podcast with a nationally broadcasted sport show? One's an audio medium that also happens to be taped, the other is shown on television. The only thing they have in common is subject matter.
Also designing thumbnails has less than nothing to do with set design or lighting, its again a completely different skill set. Every point you've made is incoherent.
@@KS-xk2so this seems like an arguement with an internet troll but fine... looking at the view count it looks like sdp gets about twice the youtube views as real kyper. There are countless other tiny youtubers who make great thumbnails, this was just an easy example in the same space. Making a great thumbnail doesn't require the resources of sportsnet, it requires a skillset.
Secondly, look at the thumbnail photo carefully. What is the photo? SHOCKER! It is the set! Crappy set = crappy thumbnail. Comprehend now brother?
And for the record, i want this show to succeed. We are just trying to help it improve.
@@KS-xk2so "I'm always amazed by the things people find ways to complain about.... go buy a yo-yo or something... literally anything would be a better use of your time."
You realize you just spent as much time complaining about me complaining as I did complaining, so you're literally criticizing me for doing the exact same thing that you just did. If this is not the definition of ironic, than I don't know what is. Common L internet intelligence moment.
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