10 Song Intros that THREW ME OFF
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- čas přidán 13. 07. 2024
- Time Consuming Ep #54 deals with context and, well, the lack of it.
These 10 songs really got me when listening to them for the first time and I always like finding these!
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Intro by Sharon Renold (@sharonrenold on Instagram) and myself
Intro music by Shwesmo (@shwesmo on Instagram)
#musiceducation #polyrhythms #intros
0:00 Whistling mastery
1:44 Metallica
2:36 Silibrina
4:05 Radiohead
5:13 Hadag Nahash
6:20 Avishai Cohen
8:16 SF Jazz Collective
9:47 Porcupine Tree
10:49 Dave Matthews Band
12:20 Snarky Puppy
13:25 Led Zeppelin - Hudba
I guess no one is saying that "The Dance of Eternity" by Dream Theater is throwing them off because it's not the intro of that song that throws you off, it's the entire song that throws you off.
hahahahaha
Yogev: noooooo you can't just have a count-in
Meshuggah: haha clockworks go ts-ts-ts-ts
YYYEEESSSSS TRUUEEEEEEEE best count in
In comes Combustion wherein the count-in is an eighth beat late.
Combustion by Meshuggah is still throwing me off, and even after your video on it I keep hearing it the "wrong" way.
Swarm, Violent Sleep of Reason (downbeat settles in (to me)at 2:30ish), and Broken Cog come to mind.
Quick moment of appreciation for the epic whistling at the start. I dont care that you rickrolled me, that shit slapped.
HAHAHAHAHA YESSS
Btw Never Gonna Give You Up also has a confusing intro: I used to hear it as starting beat 1, but it starts on the and of 2! I assumed this was the reason why @@YogevGabay rickroll’d us :)
@@lyoug Huh... never noticed that. Thanks for pointing that out! Also congrats on the unintentional rickroll.
I can't for the life of me feel Avishai Cohen in 4/4 even with you counting and playing it, my brain instantly locked into the 5 feel and refused to let go
Yeah yeah it's a hard one !
i thought it was in 7/8 lol
I still feel it as a slightly wonky 3
@@frankbreen4206 same here.
1 minute in and your humor is just top notch
hahahaha thanks a lot !!
Led Zeppelin's "Rock and Roll" intro has a 3/8 pickup (starting on the & of 3). Bonham was probably inspired by Charles Connor's drum intro to Little Richard's "Keep A Knocking", which has a similar feel but with different accents. However, Jason Bonham related (in interview) how his father taught him the intro: to think of it like Chuck Berry's guitar intro to "Run Rudolph Run".
Oh Porcupine Tree! Yes! I play Shallow on guitar! The first note isn’t a slide really, or I don’t think of it that way. It’s an accented note and then you are immediately sliding down into the second note, sort of thing.
Love your content sir!
Genesis - “Keep it Dark” and The Police - “Murder by Numbers” both throw me off every time.
this channel breaks my mind every time i step on it. fucking love it
oh glorious day, its time for more! Such an amazing resource for my drumming, and realizing I suck at drums.
Some of my favourite rhythmically ambiguous intros/tunes:
1. Disko - Komeda (the drums make the guitar shift from the down-beat of a swing groove, to dotted crotchets over a rock groove)
2. Glass - Total Control
3. Charmer - Kings of Leon
4. Kate - Ben Folds
5. Between Us and Them - Moving Units
6. Voice of Chunk - Lounge Lizards (the drums entering actually obscure the pulse in this one)
how smart of Wilson to play of what we are used to with that slide on 1 and thus confusing us . Simple and effective. Great vid Yogev
Looks like I got lucky the first time I heard Shallow because I always felt the 1 at the "correct" place. So seeing this song here surprises me actually :)
Nice vid, as always.
I always found the intro to All Along the Watchtower by Jimi Hendrix really confusing, because I always hear it starting on beat 1 and then somewhere during the intro I feel it shift by an eighth note but I can't really tell where excatly this shift happens.
same
I've always heard it the right. Weird I know.
NIN - Survivalism - ambiguous until the chorus
Radiohead - Little by Little - Videotape on steroids
I remembered a few more songs:
1) Kings of Leon - Sex on Fire
2) Mastodon - Colony of Birchmen
3) System of a Down - Science
4) The Beatles - Drive My Car
5) The Beatles - Everybody's Got Something to Hide Except Me and My Monkey
Ohhh thanks !
Sex on Fire, exactly!
'Drive My Car' is odd duck... I think they messed up but then kept it.
My very first band did Monkey when we were 18ish. It messed us up, all but one.
I also have a few.
1. Breaking Me Down by SOiL
2. Your Troubles Are Over by The Gathering
3. Heresy by Pantera
4. Locust by Machine Head
5. Ride The Lightning by Metallica
6. Holy Wars... The Punishment Due by Megadeth
7. The Trance Is The Motion by Static-X
Awesome as always and thanks for showing me Avishai Cohen holy shit
Yessssss - awesome as always my friend!
A great example of this is “Science” by System of a Down.
My favorite is "Mile Zero" by Periphery. I believe the riff comes in on an upbeat that sounds like a downbeat. Later during the solo, it plays the riff the way you THINK it goes at first (on the downbeat), which is pretty amazing! The riff sounds so cool both ways.
A close second from the same album is "Froggin' Bullfish." Sounds like 4/4, but it's actually 12/8 (or triplets in 4/4??)
lol I was watching this video and also thought about that 1/8 shift in Mile Zero
Hi Yogev, great video as usual :)
Talking about "Rock 'n' roll" intro, yeah, it's on the & of 3. To hear it, try to sing along the drums the iconic guitar intro of Chuck Berry's Johnny Be goode, and the guitar break of the same song as well, in the instrumental part after the second chorus. It's all about that, a sort of drum transposition of that riff. Bonham was a huge fan of Chuck Berry and this drum intro is a sort of his personal tribute to the father of (needless to say) Rock 'n' roll.
Greetings from Italy :)
That one really threw me when I was first learning for cover gigs. I just learned “by rote” so I didn’t really count it, just did what was on the record as it was. I was young, I……needed the money…..I swear I’ve learned to count it out properly since then!🤘😁
check out Keep a Knockin by Little Richard
@@frankbreen4206 wow! Almost the same! Didn't know about that.
Oh man it's super similar !!!! I guess that was the inspiration for it?
It's not the "Johnny B. Goode" intro, it's the "Run Rudolph Run" intro.
Pamela by Toto is one that has kinda tricked me all these years. It's ingrained in my ears to hear the keys as upbeats and not downbeats. What's always threw me off is the rim shots Jeff plays, always heard those as 2 and 4. I had to put some serious time into relearning it when I played it once. Of course the pickup snare is genious.
Yogev, thank you for turning me on to Avishai Cohen's 'Punk'. Dear God, that's beautiful! Keep up the great work, man.
Listen to that whole album !
If you get around to breaking down more songs, I’m interested in yr breakdown of Panzerballet’s cover of I’ve Had the Time of My Life. Aside from being an unusual interpretation, there’s something about the changes in intensity that always makes me chuckle.
Yesterday I've listened to it after a long time, thinking it would be cool for him to breakdown some panzerballet stuff. Crazy universe!
Will check it out!
I love their take on "Take 5", how there's such a persistent polyrhythm, that it ends up being a polytempo - as a listener you can choose to lock into either tempo through the song
The Sky is Red by Leprous really got me first listen.
A big hint, it's in 11/4.
Great video Yogev. Thank you as always!
Nah bruh, Spirits in the Material World, by The Police. This one took me a long time to get right
“Murder by Numbers” is another confusing Police song.
Absolutely amazing man, you Rock!!!
Yogev, thanks for another awesome content.
So Glad Your'e back
I can't hear Rock n Roll the "correct" way either.
Even after all these years!
amazing as always. thanks for your amazing outputs and knowledge !
Glad you like them!
Always a good day when Yogev uploads! Also, again, nice Seiko 🤘🏼
hahahahah YES I love this watch
I always enjoy your videos Yogev. Tickles me in that nerdy music place. Also, I appreciate the exposure to some of the artists I haven't heard of.
My pleasure!
Yogev you’re the best! Sababa😎
This is priceless.❤
Great list.! Put me on to some new songs for sure, thanks.
Another dimension by liquid tension experiment throws me every time.
Loved this video! Thanks for creating it 😎
Glad you enjoyed it!
Hi man! Just for mess around, let me show you a list with my personal choices on this matter. I think that you'll love them!!
Fickle Funk - Chick Corea
Watch your step - Dave Weckl Band
Emergency Exit - Greg Howe
Distraction - Adam Nitti (!!!!)
Absolve - The contortionist
I robot - Alan Parsons Project
Groove of Satan - Owane
Miracles out of nowhere - Kansas
just a few!
dude you are brilliant :)
Sentimental by Porcupine Tree is another good example but I think you covered that already
I effin love your work, and you have a personality and you’re funny, and humble! Please run for president! I’ll be your campaign manager!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA total world destruction 5 minutes in
every video here is a gem!
Did I just get rickrolled by a whistling Yogev?
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maybe
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Amazing!
I had trouble identifying the tempo and pulse from “Crimes” by A Perfect Circle until the drummer started playing quarter notes on the hihat. Same thing for “Ticks and Leeches” by Tool.
Fortunately for Crimes the very first note played is beat 1 (it's reinforced with all the crashes, other instrument entering, and the hi hat later), but it's a weird rhythm with the vocals (the counting) pulling you in another direction so I can see why it's confusing.
I had to go and listener to this again. I think, maybe, it's the grouping? The first phrase is 7, then it repeats those 7 beats plus some, so you think it's started again but actually, now you're behind. Fucking great album. Reminds me of being 18 and driving a shitty Mazda in a tropical climate with holes rusted right through it and no air conditioning. My brother bought me a car stereo which was for superior to the car itself and this album burried it's way into my heart like a parasite. And what the hell is that guitar tone when the package drops? Needs to be listened to a few times a year regardless. Actually, ticks and leeches is 7 too.
@@piemanmusic “The Package” is a great track! (Same with Ticks and Leeches).
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@@supernova1661 thanks, the Crab Nebula is the most beautiful of all.
Bent nails definitely starts on a 1. Just the way they head Bob when they play it live. Took me a few listens if it was the 3, 4, or 1, but everyone comes in on the 1 when you hear it as the first note. Super weird but fun.
Great!
Metallica sure likes to start a lot of songs on beat 4. I was kinda expecting "Fight Fire with Fire" to appear, but "Ain't My..." works too!
Also, I'm also kinda sad that no discussion of Meshuggah pops up on discussion videos regarding Videotape's syncopation.
Yeah fight fire has the same feel than combustion from meshuggah, where everything is shifted by a 1/16
Man I covered so much meshuggah in the channel I thought you guys need a break hahahahaha
y'know i've never had a problem hearing Fight Fire With Fire correctly, the guitar comes in on beat 1, i guess the few initial drum hits can be disorienting but once it kicks into blastbeats it's fine again. Perhaps it's just the blistering speed that makes it a problem for some people
awesome video as usual man! one that always throws me off no matter how many times I listen to it is 'pigtown blues' by clutch
The start of voice&drums after the intro in "king of pain" (police)... but only in the studio version: they don't even try to repeat it live...😉
loving all of this! time to dive more into Avishai Cohen, I think. I've heard some stuff and loving it, but this brings new fun things to light
Please do!
Heres another episode I did about him:
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This was actually my introduction to Cohen. Must've just fell under my radar. Thank you for brining it to my attention. One I still can't count is 323 by The Peter Evans Quintet.
Helmet - Song: Pure (Album Aftertaste 1997) ... :P love it... Awesome video! Thanks a lot!
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Glad you like them!
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Purple Stain by RHCP always gets me. That guitar on the 2 always makes me think the drums are coming in a beat early
Jimi Hendrix' All Along the Watchtower... Heard it a thousenad times, STILL can't get the intro right in my head!
Shutterspeed by Karnivool had me for ages
Oh yes, that is a good one!
Using the word "Thus" really is the universal sign of trustworthiness. Thus, I trust you on that.
For some reason, you David, feel like a very solid and respectable person. Can't put my finger on why.
My understanding of "Rock and Roll" is that that opening drum part starts on the 'and' of 3, at least according to other videos I've seen on the matter. I just know pretty much every cover band up here in Alaska that tries to play this f***s the intro up every time, and it makes me laugh.
Also; LOVE the content, I love the way you break things down. You've a new subscriber!
Thanks !!!! Never been to Alaska, but really want to haha
Great video.
No Combustion? At least an honorable mention :)
Combustion was my sub vid
Super Yogev! I guess you could add to the list sentimental - porcupine tree! Always confusing for me! All the best for you!
Love that song! check this out:
czcams.com/video/bjkcMfZuL-8/video.html&ab_channel=YogevGabay
Great video! "Rock and Roll" (I've heard, and it makes sense) starts on the & of 3, and if you listen closely, it is played exactly like the guitar intro is played on "Johnny B Goode"...
Saw Porcupine Tree on the sheets you were moving around at the beginning and instantly got excited for what was coming up
hahahahahaah YESS
«Give life back to music» by Daft Punk always throws me off
I always seem to hear the intro of Invaders Must Die by The Prodigy the wrong way hahaha
1:50 That's ok Lars thinks so too 😂
HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAH
Im not that stupid got me!
Nice video
hahahahaha
Brilliant video! Most of these examples as the ones in the comments come from acoustic music, but there are examples in electronic music as well. A very nice example is "Home" by Swedish House Mafia.
Callisto “Latterday Saints” is an all-timer for me.
Intro to Lightbulb Sun by PT gets me every time. And of course Combustion by Meshuggah until you broke it down but I still can't figure the shit out.
Ok i never really thought about that metallica song, though i have heard it many times for like 25 years. But oh my god my mind is now blown.
Perfect timing, I'm playing RnR at a gig today lmao
You rarely hear Hadag Nahash referenced or talked about in Scandinavia. Such a bummer, great production and you always feel an incentive to groove along, mostly by dancing like a moron in the car :D
Happy to see them here a couple of times now
Oh man they are soooooo good !
I've had that forever with the song "Steel Meets Steel" by HammerFall
Yes! More Avishai Cohen please!!!
One intro that always throws me off is "Severed" by Distorted Harmony (fitting since Yogev plays on it). The guitar always makes me think that it's constantly shifting between triplets and eighth notes until the drums reveal that it's actually all 16th notes.
Ohhhhh true !!
There is one song that every time gets me - It is "I'm ot of your mind" by De Staat (great dutch rock band).And true placement of "1" isn't revealed until chorus, which starts around 1 min 10 sec :D I guess title is adequate :D
With garage metal I've heard so much of it that the types of riffs used in that Metallica intro are a dead giveaway. It just sounds so much like the end of a metal phrase I don't think about it not having started on the 1.
Anthrax's "Devil You Know" always throw me off rhythmically. I still can't catch it right, and that was around for 8 years.
Songs that throw Yogev Gabay, the metric oddity educator, off.
This is gonna be a new level of crazy.
Wait for the episode about things I've yet to solve !
Sleep Apnea by Chevelle always gets me like this. Can't ever hear it the "right" way.
Please never stop making videos bro
hahahah trying my best
frosti by bjork is one that always got me!
I was thinking that "In the Air Tonight" by Phil Collins was going to be on here. My mind always thinks that the beat is an eighth note up from where it actually is until the vocals come in.
My list:
1. Red Hot Chili Peppers - Around The World. The pre verse part. If you are not a guitarist you will be one eighth late
2. Paloma Faith - Monster
Even though the 1 is there still the melody sounds shifted until the bear comes in
3. Pakito- Living On Video
The main melody. No matter how much you will try to convince me, I will hear the 4th beat as the downbeat
Dude yes! Always thought I was the only crazy person who thought Around the World was weird cause no one ever talked about it.
the beginning of Slow Violence by Caligula's Horse throws me off every time even though i know how to count it.
Pyramids on Mars by On The Virg (Virgil Donati) is also throwing you off.
All That Remains- Not Alone
Them Crooked Vultures- Mind Eraser, No Chaser
Plain White T's- My Only One
Ghost- Dance Macabre
Yay, added the 1000th like;)
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@@YogevGabay Not really, but ... nice.
Pinzin Kinzin will always get you, no matter what
Mastodon - Oblivion! I will always hear it as starting on the off beat. Brann even starts his hi hat on the actual off beat. I can never not hear it that way.
The way I think about the Rock N Roll intro is thinking about the Johnny Be Goode guitar intro, it's the same concept applied to a similar context (introducing a rock song with an isolated instrument, thing that makes it harder to know where the downbeat is). The same thing happens in AC/DC's classic Highway to Hell, where the guitar starts playing in the "and" of beat 3, but many times people count 4 and then start playing the riff (which destroys me completely hahahaha)
Ohh you're right !!! that makes a lot of sense !!
you also mentioned "We are" by Karnivool tripped you over some time ago ;)
Ohhhh my! Porcupine Tree...
A few examples off the top of my head:
3's and 7's - QotSA (Offbeat cymbal accents in the intro and no kick on the first beat of the verse; I find it hard to hear the correct beat until the vocals accent it.)
Bugg'n - TNGHT (This is kind of the opposite; the intro's fine, but when the drums come in, there's no kick on the one, and the and of one is accented so hard by the kick and sub that it completely shifts my perception of the beat.)
Give It To Me - Timbaland (The pickup of four 16th notes sounds like it's on the four, but it's actually on the and of two, then the first verse's melody accents the offbeats throughout, and then the beat cuts out in a really weird place that reinforces feeling the and of three as the downbeat, before the chorus comes in and reveals where the one actually is for the rest of the song.)
Man your videos are so cool, thanks! Anyway, i think you're right on the 3 note pick up from Rock N Roll, i think Bonham is playing a "Johnny b. Good" type riff with the drum, possibly i'm wrong but i think that's that. Anyway, thanks for your work, great channel and obviously great drumming.
Epic !!
Although Bonham was Chuck Berry fan, the Rock N Roll intro is a rip off of (or maybe a homage to) Keep-A-Knocking by Little Richard.
Rock N' Roll intro starts on the "and" of 3! Another great one is The Police, Spirits in the Material World. The illusion lasts until the first chorus.
You should check out some of the newer Every Time I Die stuff