The Behringer 2600 in 25 minutes
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- čas přidán 30. 07. 2024
- Behringer has recreated the legendary Arp2600 synthesizer. They named it the 2600 and it comes in a 19" rack format. In this video we give an overview of all the features, and build some patches to show you how it sounds.
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00:00 - Intro
00:08 - Gearjunkies leader
00:13 - Subscribe to our channel
00:20 - Overview
02:25 - Oscillators
03:27 - Filter
04:34 - Envelope
05:18 - VCA section
05:54 - Output section
06:53 - LFO
07:03 - Portamento
07:28 - Envelope follower
08:17 - Voltage processor
08:37 - Sample and Hold
09:35 - Patch 1 R2D2
11:10 - Patch 2
13:06 - Patch 3
16:14 - Patch 4
18:53 - Patch 5
20:14 - Patch 6
21:37 - Conclusion
24:27 - Outro
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Just got mine shipped today. I instantly realized I had no idea what I was doing, and it's going to take a long time to wrap my head around it.
I had an original 2600 in the 70s during my high school years. I traded in my Odyssey plus some cash to buy it. Spent $1600 for it back then, sold it for $700 in the 80s cus everyone was going Yamaha polyphonic. I can still kick myself for letting it go but mine seemed like it was in the shop more than I liked for various problems I can’t really remember. I couldn’t afford it anymore for that reason.
Unless you have some knowledge of raw synthesis, I would recommend staying away from any synth that requires you to build your own sounds.
I’m betting I could get right back into playing this beast and considering buying one once I see how reliable they are.
hey. it's 2 years later. is your head wrapped around this thing. I just got mine a few weeks ago. I can make some sounds now. trying to figure out how to work it into my productions and performance
@@jayburd1875he bumped his head into it out of frustration by now 😅
@@cnfuzzprobably just got lost in sound-making and never came back. Like those kids who take a thumb print crystal lucy all at once. this thing is so cool. Phat Analog sickness. I get a thing going and my brain starts pumping out endorphins and serotonin and dopamine then I can't contain the elation so I run around the house 3 times like a dog who just heard a leash.
It is the winter of 2021. I've been playing synthesizer for 24 years. This is one of the recent models that have been tempting me in the last year, since it would provide a glimpse into a legend of my youth that is otherwise inaccessible.
Vintage Synth Explorer's entry for the original 2600 stated that it's "not for the novice synthesist". Even 24 years and 2 ARP performance synthesizers (Axxe & Odyssey) later, the panel of this module is intimidating. That's just the normalized portion, forget using patch cords.
Great video, keep up the good work.
"swing beta" LOL !!!!
Thank you for this very comprehensive overview! This synth sounds amazing.
Swing Beta ;) made my day
Geweldig!
"Swing (Beta)". I chuckled at that.
LMAO!
@@French_Canadian_Pea_Soup Behringer made a clone of that arturia keyboard and named it the "swing". its a long story but basically Behringer has been an asshole lately
nice! I just got my one today %)
Thanks a lot for your tutorial, I have one question, is there always a sound without pressing a key? also when the left slider of the mixer (audio) is turned down? regards Dirk
I have heard so many people slag Behringer off for what they are doing, people should just get a life!!!
Don't think of this a exact copy of the ARP 2600 but think of it as a synthesizer in its own right that is based on the ARP 2600
I mean, if ARP released this for £555 people would be biting their hands off to have one.
I am definitely getting a Behringer 2600 :D
Most of their products having tempted me in the same fashion that this one has. Still attempting to resist indulging G.A.S. though. I already have too many synthesizers and almost as many electric guitars.
Thanks for the insights - very useful. I would like to know how to get an external sequencer (e.g. a Korg SQ-1) connected via CV/GATE with that beast ? Any ideas?
We have one connected to it, it works well. Take one of the gates out of the SQ-1 into the AR gate in on the 2600 (port 24 in the manual). It is normalled to the ADSR gate in, so it triggers both. And take a CV out of the SQ-1 into the multiple of the 2600, and from there patch three cables into the KYBD CV In each of the VCOs of the 2600, if you want to pitch track all three of them. Alternatively, use the other cv out and gate of the SQ-1 into one of the VCO cv in and into the ADSR gate in to have two separate sequences running.
I avoided Behringer for years, then I bought the pro 1, and now I'm completely hooked. These Behringer synth remakes are turning into Pokemon for me.
Oh boy I’m not alone! I don’t have much space left. Considering this one though with another reverb pedal.
some are gems and some turds like in any company , overal they do a great job since most of the originals are maintenance headaches and worth very little in actual studio settings,collector museum pieces
8 minutes into the video I noticed the " swing beta" sticker .... hahahhaha good one
@gearjukies : Did you get any answer from Behringer about the External Clock that does not work against the Gates (sample and hold section) ? Thanks for the demo !
As it turns out, the symbols on the 2600 are in fact correct: they show that external clock only controls the S&H speed circuit. The switch and gates are only working with internal clock. This is the same as the original Arp circuit and also the same on the Korg version. However, the 2600 manual incorrectly states that an external clock can drive the switch.
We also heard that original Arp 2600s were often modified to enable external clock to control the gates and switch. We have to hope for a mod to become public, as it seems that this is hardwired and therefore not solvable with a firmware update.
@@gearjunkies It's my fault, for once I read a documentation it has to be wrong :-)
But the symbols on the B2600 face are not so clear too...
I hope too there will be a mod, because when you use the synth, having the gates not in sync with the other parts and no way to sync it is a bit a shame.
Thanks for your answer !
hi there. I'm not sure how to google this question, so maybe you could help with understanding it.
all of 3 oscillators has multiple wave-forms. And each wave-form can be sent separately via cv.
My question is if I can send just one waveform at a time from single oscillator? or I can send 4 wave-forms independently from a single oscillator?
I do really doubt it is technically possible to have this approach of sending 4 different waveforms form a single oscillator simultaneously on an analog device. But I may be wrong here, so if you could help me with understanding this part - this would help a lot, thanx in advance
VCO1 has 2 waveforms, VCO2 and 3 have 4. Each VCO can output multiple waveforms simultaneously, this is not uncommon in analog circuitry. For example the SEM famous 3340 VCO as found in many synths has 4 wave form outs on the chip. A SH-101 uses two of these that can be mixed freely, and the Behringer MS-101 has a triangle extra coming from the same chip, just because it was there already. But there is only one pitch per VCO of course. So in the 2600 you could use all 4 waveforms of for example VCO2 and patch them into the mixer section. It will be a bit boring soundwise as they will have the exact same pitch/modulation so no detuning possible.
How did you make it stand vertically like that? I'm looking for some 8U brackets that will let it stand.
the stand we have used is from Loci: loci.life/
I've bought a 19 inch 12 free standing frame from amazon in readiness for getting one of these, not the cheapest solution but looks pretty solid
@@lazymandoplayer Thanks, I'll have a look. Subscribed to your channel. Nice sounds, wires and flashing lights. The 2600 looks very interesting.
@@lazymandoplayer can you put link to the specific rack you purchased?
Great idea Matthew, especially when you think about how awkward the positioning of this module can be. It's too big for traditional tabletop usage like the Access Virus modules and to smalle to stand on its own. It also looks as though it would be awkward to put into a traditional rack.
The external clock in works on my unit - I was putting the keyboard gate into it so that I could have a sample and hold value per note to control the filter.
External clock will work with the sample and hold, not with the switch or the clock input to the envelopes.
Aaaah, so you have one already! Sorely tempted myself
Hey, great video. I'm looking at buying one of those once they're available in Canada. One question for you or everyone reading, have you tried connecting it with other eurorack systems? I would imagine it would work fine but I'd be curious to hear feedback by anyone who's tried it. Thanks
Not yet, we hope to feature this in a follow up video. We used it with a Korg SQ-1 for pitch and gates and that worked fine!
@@gearjunkies Thank you , this answers my question actually :) Looking forward to the video :) Cheers
Sing Beta on the Arturia Keyboard ! Nice Pro HAHA
I've made this observation before - but one of the key defining sounds of the original ARP was the interplay between the spring reverb tank, the body of the synth, and the internal speakers - which at louder volume would create a gentle feedback loop which gave a specific character to the synth - especially with percussive sounds, which on the original sounded like massive metallic hits that I've yet to hear accurately duplicated on this synth. You won't get it through a digital reverb, and that alone makes this not completely authentic in terms of a remake. To me, it's a nice 3VCO synth with lots of control, but it's not the caliber of the original. I will still be buying it, simply because I will never be able to afford spending 10K on an original model or even a Korg remake if I could find one. But functionally it's absolutely different, given no spring reverb and no internal speakers, and those really did color the sound in a way that is significant.
Agreed 100%
Could you not attempt to run this synth into a spring reverb and some speakers to obtain a quasi version of the effect you described?
@@ewanjones5591 Of course. But it will be just what you said - a quasi-version. If we are comparing apples to oranges, i.e. Behringer 2600 vs. the original, no added components, they are not equal. That's my point.
@@BillVincent very fair, it's a shame it doesn't have a spring reverb built in, it seems big enough to fit one
I would really like to see a quick start guide for those of us who are not especially intuitive.
Thanks a lot for taking the time to give us all a nice walk through the new Behringer 2600. Not quite the sound I recognise from the vintage ARP units, but unbeatable price and still a great way to teach yourself more about fundamental sound design from old skool 'blocks' (which the original designed for, ending up in colleges & universities....!). Be safe 😎🎹🎶👍🍻
Small technical question: how are you keeping it standing up?
I bought a 12U rack by Tripp-lite.
Cheaper ones are available but this is worth it.
It leans back a tad, and I was able to fit my 'Boog' above it (3U with rack ears), so I can patch between them.
I still have 1U rack space for another unit.
that's what she asked last night...
Problem is when they shrink the size of the unit they make it even more dense than the original signal flow.
I want one.
Nice demo, thanks! I really don't worry about it sounding different from the original because practically no one today can afford to buy and upkeep an old one. Korg's joke of a clone, again, was an expensive and rare beast seeing that it was a stupidly limited edition (if they do a mini version we'll re-evaluate the situation). The DIY version requires a significant amount of technical know-how, patience, and skill (plus it wasn't that cheap). At this price, it's a fricken steal. With all its features and its extensive patching options, the nice little additions, and a decent sounding digital spring reverb (if you need it to sound authentic then buy an outboard analog spring reverb and just run it through the thing!) ... well, I can't really think of any synths with all this for the same price. Behringer's Oddy is almost the same price as this and since when were the Oddy and 2600 about the same price? Never.
a friend has built the TTSH and it sounds great, but cost him upwards of £1500. I have the model d and it sounds nothing like the moog, but at £300 (even cheaper now) it's an amazing little synth that is more than 10x cheaper than the moog. Honestly I am grabbing this even if it does not sound exactly like the original. The price is right to not think about it too much. Shame it's still not available and Thomann says 12 weeks from now
@@Poweredsoft p
This particular model is definitely more tempting by a long shot than the one that came from Korg, let alone an original issue from the 70s.
@@Poweredsoft You’re incorrect. There were so many comparison videos made between Moog Model D and Behringer Model D, which all show near identical sound, as much as you can expect from two Moog Model D’s. Check the Starsky Carr video.
@@LukezyM i did, and they are not the same. Provided not many people can tell the difference and especially listeners won’t know that you use a clone, it does not really matter. But there are subtleties that give it away. Pretty sure I won’t be able to tell them apart in a blind test though
The 2600 sound unlike some other classics really pins the user into the 1970s whatever you do to it, wich can be a pro or con
What stand are you using
loci.life/
Make no mistake, it's quite a learning curve!
Mine came with no USB or NOT EVEN ONE patch chord (poor show Behringer! )
It's strength lies in patching, so if you buy it, order a usb/or midi lead to suit your setup, and a minimum of 5 45cm+ patch cables because it covers a fair distance to patch some sockets.
The sample and hold external clock does work for the sample and hold out. It doesn’t work for switch or the envelope trigger.
This is correct. 100% as per the original!
@@scottmacey and yet even the Korg manual gets this wrong, saying the switch will sync to an external source.
@@danpreston564 I didn't know that. On the Arturia 2600V you can patch in another clock source to control the electronic switch but that's of course not like the original ARP.
@@scottmacey I think it’s interesting that the routing printed on the panel on the 2601 (orange) ARP is different, and seems to show that the external clock in is not connected to the switch. The older panels seem to show that it is connected.
@@danpreston564 I've never noticed that before. I can now see where the confusion comes from. I must admit it makes sense on the Arturia to allow this to be patched, but it is at odds with the original. You can learn something new about this synth every day!
How come I cannot order this anywhere? I see videos from nine or 10 months ago and most recently a whole bunch from three weeks ago and still have no idea how to get my hands on one of these things?
We ordered it in the beginning of October from Thomann, and were lucky to get one from the first batch to arrive in Europe. You order it there or at various other online stores but it will take time to get delivered, as did ours.
Because it was only available through Thomann in Europe until this morning. None were sold in North America yet (I know I tried hard to get one), Sweetwater listed them today and are making them available on a first come basis in a few weeks. You are likely too late already to get in on the first ones to arrive. But get in soon and maybe you can get one in February
The filter, even fully open, takes away some high end. To me you can hear the difference between a filtered signal and one that is just through the VCA.
not that you'd even notice it in a mix
@@lucasc5622 true
So, would there be a way to have an unfiltered tone output at the same time? Or would there be no real reason for that anyway?
@@johndavidpeer3107 yes, you can go straight into the VCA missing out the filter if you patch it in, or you can patch in after the VCA too. I think it’s very useful to be able to build a sound with both filtered and unfiltered voices. You can also use the lag processor as a filter to essentially have 2 filters.
Interesting. It's funny but I value your endorsement highly, lol, because I've seen you on the other synth elitists sites!
thx.
Wow - i wonder how big the market for this stuff really is - i mean a 303 and some of the drummachines for little money - but now a niche instrument like this - how many will they sell, a few hundred ? - how much does it cost to develop and manufacture sth. like this...
Its huge. They will sell many of these.
thousends, I for example owns a Poly D, 101, RD8, TD3, RD6, Crave, it is a lot of fun and there are many more like me....
you'll hear the difference in the filters under moderate to heavy modulation,, they are extremely similar in topology after all so the differences are small but definitely there
Remember what I have read, they are similar filters that are only made slightly different in the case of the 4072, so that Alan Perlman wouldn't get sued by Robert Moog more than once.
Thanks for the video. Doesn't really sound much like a 2600 to me, but interesting nonetheless. You also forgot that there is also the Antonus 2600...
The synths sound very similar. Ther reverbs don’t. That’s where the man in differences are.
@@danpreston564 No, it's more than the reverb.
@@phazerbrains I’ve been copying 2600 sound files here. It’s pretty bloody close. But given that the guy who pretty much made it has been making ARP clone modules for years it should be quite close. It’s not identical, the filter sounds a bit duller to my ears, but when I paired it with a spring reverb pedal and tweaked around a bit you’d struggle to hear the difference. Even if it sounds slightly different, it’s a 2600 architecture with increased functionality for £550, which makes it hard to moan about.
Antonus 2600 is far superior to this kiddy toy!
@@madsynthscientists kiddy toy?
It’s a 2600 with increased functionality. What makes it a toy, except for it being affordable?
I can’t compare it to a 2600 in front of me, but I can compare it to sound samples of patches and their settings.
Obviously the slider positions are not identical, the scaling on the sliders seems a bit weird, with lots of travel doing not much and the last bit doing loads.
I can get the sounds to be very similar to the patch examples.
The reverb is the big difference. The digital on is nice but far too short.
Cool synth for the money. Absolutely.
However, it doesn't sound like a 2600 to my ears. The Korg 2600 sounds much better but it's also quite a bit more expensive. I'd like to hear a B2600 through real spring reverb.
Anyone purchased this yet? Or buying this???
I do not hear an arp 2600. It is to smooth sound wise.
There is no single ARP 2600 sound. Each was slightly different. From what I have heard this unit is very close to the sound of the original units. Yes, the feedback loop of the spring reverb and the speakers is missing from this version. But for $600 US, and no big repair bills, I can overlook that (or recreate it another way). Don't like it? Fine there are other choices, buy those. But for many of us, it's a chance to own a "near" ARP 2600 for a price that a hobby player justify spending.
If that missing feedback loop is the only con of this module - spilled milk. 😜
the sliders are very delicate BEWARE
Ahhh this is not me and sound is no good but there are folks that love this so they will buy it 😉
Drága játék gyerekeknek.
The more video's I watch of the Behringer 2600 the more I regret not placing my order in for the Korg remake...sigh!!.
If Korg announced that they would make another batch I would not hesitate.
I honestly don't know what this Behringer synth is!!...But an ARP 2600 it is most certainly not.
Think this synth should just merely be called BARP!!.. leave out the 2600 part...just BARP!!
But the Korg version also have 2600 in the name.
Buying an Korg version and expecting an real ARP 2600 is like expecting an Oberheim when buying OB12.
@@robertsmedberg1308 Difference is Korg made a replica of the original that sounds like the original.
Behringer made a....I don't know what it is.
A BARP I guess...or just an Errrrm!!
As I Said previously, an ARP 2600 it most certainly is not. Where as the Korg pretty much is.
No it is not. You’re only guessing.
The interior is similar apart from spring reverb.
@@robertsmedberg1308 Only it's not really is it.
The chip is inside is not the same and the original sound tone like the Korg version got quite a bit of its character from being in a large unit, this is something that cannot be replectated on a 19 inch flat panel.
But yeah I agree with you on the spring reverb, don't get me wrong Behringer did a nice digital spring reverb on there Oddysey in the FX section, but again nothing like a true spring reverb which again attributed to the original and Korg tonal sound.
Behringers filters don't sound like the ARP or the Korg either, quite weak sounding in comparison...not gritty and dirty enough.
So you mean that a SMD on Korg sound different to a SMD in Behringer because of the size of the synth?
Sounds weak.
I have it here. It doesn’t sound weak. The reverb is not great but the synth sounds fantastic.
ah yes, mike hawk, renowned musician and audio engineer, your opinion truly hold weight for us all
@@lucasc5622 Dam right kid.
@@mikehawk9461 ok kid, can you link us to some reputable sources that praise mike hawk as the well known and respected synth virtuoso that we all know he is?
@Lucas C who cares. In this video it did sound weaker than real deal but i think when you put it in the mix among other sounds no one would notice.
I bought one just to make fart sounds
We cAn do that without electricity
Interesting box,not a 2600 but kinda a 2600...
Simply another synth,which is just a tool,like a hammer to a carpenter...
If you desire a real 2600 then you should buy a real 2600...
Otherwise its a "poor carpenter" that blames his tools for not being like their co-workers tools if they buy a home depot hammer instead of the estwing hammer like the co-workers...
Use the tools you have available to your best "craftsmanship" and dont expect your 8$ hammer to preform like the 30$ name brand hammer and then point out the problems are with the "machine"
its not about what hammer you use, its how you use it ;) at the end, its just a tool which you need to learn how to use...