Behringer 2600 Synthesizer Review
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Rishabh Rajan dives deep into the $599 Behringer 2600 and explores what improvements have been made to the original analog synthesizer. - Hudba
Check out the full review here with more details: ask.audio/articles/video-review-behringer-2600
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I spent many thousands of dollars on the originals during the 20 or so years when NO company was making any analog synths much less making any reproductions. All the while the whole music world was BEGGING for analog to come back. These old companies finally did get off their asses but decided to charge thousands thereby pricing themselves out of the market for many. Arturia was the first to come up with an affordable synth and people loved it but everyone was still begging for reproductions of the originals and no one would make them. Moog and Dave Smith were still making stuff but they weren't doing a single reproduction. Not one. And their stuff was and is very expensive. FINALLY an arp was made by korg and arp and they did a good job, but they had waited literally decades to take action and give people what they were asking for. Behringer came along shortly after korg did and decided to feed the demand at a great price. Good on them and no I don't feel sorry for any of the companies that are now upset because some other company finally came along and gave people what they wanted. They sat on their asses for actual decades.
Great post. Totally agree!!!
Gee. You could run a small instrument company. We'll give you a big one to start with.
Don't forget the tiny companies, usually one-man, that hand-built analogue synths, like Ken MacBeth. I had two of his M3Xs I bought when they first came out.. Still got one.
Totally agrees with you. Well said. I hope for more reproductions from Behringer, ARP has more goodies worth doing a remake of.
Well said 👍
It's nice how they let you choose from fully dimmed all the way up to full Xmas.
There is no point in owning a synth if it doesn't light up.
Yes its cleverly timed to coincide with Xmas 2021 when you will actually be able to get one.
@@pvillez -- Ah yes, the Backorder Blues. I sing that in my sleep.
And now they have announced the Blue Marvin and Gray Meanie versions with real spring reverb, monochrome LED's and better components... what a lovely time to be a synthesist!
shame that the versions with real spring reverb are aesthetically inferior.
@@SorchaSublime agreed
@@SorchaSublime nah, not at all
Ordered a Gray Meanie on Thomann nearly a month ago on the very day they became available. Delivery was put at around May now, it's unknown. 😢
@@GNeuman the grey one isnt as bad, but its a shame about the LEDs.
Excellent review and intro/tutorial. Thank you for showing what you need to to do to get Duo to work! Not obvious from reading the quick startup guide. It really deserves a full manual. The original ARP manual is available for download, so is helpful, but may not show every extra feature Behringer has added. Full credit to Behringer though, for recreating this glorious piece of hardware many of us have been craving for.
this synth is a MONSTER
Thank you, Behringer
amazing vid, my man. my B2600 is due in a week or so. can't wait! and thanks for the great education on this beast.
Thank you for this walk through. Very helpful :) Cant wait for this to be available in the US.
Great review! Been waiting for a proper review for ages and this is excellent.
Good job, Rishabh. Can't wait!
Hat's off to Behringer, I remember when buying their gear was for most a low budget it's all I can afford affair, now it's I really want that!
The LFO or other stuff can’t be synced to incoming midi clock, can it? Great review, thanks!
The only important bit of info is, when will it be available from reverb?
Great review, great synth!
Waiting on mine! Nice demo with the keystep lol
Great demo!
Great review
You made me think of Weather Report
sounds great can't wait~
Is it possible to patch cable your way around the built-in reverb and use an external reverb unit instead? That would seem like a decent workaround, particularly if you have access to other reverbs you like.
Of course
Yes you can. Or just leave the sliders at zero and use a quality external unit instead like me. Spring reverb isn't for everyone anyway so no great loss
i have it and love it
Nice review , they should had put a bypass switch on the reverb imo
The "bypass switch" are both reverb faders. Pulled all the way down, the signal bypasses the digital spring reverb effect and does go clean analog to the outputs..so no need for a dedicated switch...
$600?? This sounds awesome!
625 euro...
Great review! Is it possible to midi sync the lfo speed?
Clock yes, lfo not.
@@JohnTrasher partly correct. The LFO is not syncable to external clock. The S/H output is syncable to an external source however the electronic switch in the S/H section is not. It is always linked to the internal clock. The manual claims it is but it is not, this is the same as the original ARP. The Korg 2600FS manual said the same thing but it was also incorrect.
It is a shame that Behringer didn't make these other items syncable either by patch or MIDI.
what do the colours on the LED's mean if anything?
Superb review. I am waiting for a notification of mine shipping, hopefully soon and this has helped me for sure to have a good start.
My VCO1 doesn't not respond to midi pitch (cv is fine). Am I going mad with this or is it faulty?
@Ask.Audio How did you do the waveform display in the video?
It’s edited in
What about the voltage levels, can cross patch with eurorack modules? Patch a eurorack lfo into the filter frequency?
I don't think you can
Yes, CV interconnection works well! The envelope inputs (trigger and gate) have also been tweaked so that they can be activated with Eurorack voltages, which is an issue with the original and other clones that require a +10V gate.
Has it already been decided whether there will be a suitcase?
It looks like no, but they are for sale on Ebay by a few people
Great overview! Does is ship with any patch cables?
No patch cables included.
Wow...what if you have to spend 3$ for a set of cables ?
@@djformalin He does have a point. It means that you have to buy it AND the patch cables. No fun to get it at home and realize just then that it doesn't bring any. Some of us don't have a music shop nearby to just go and buy them right away.
@@diegomolinaf yea....you're right.....but how about buying a couple of cables in advance anyway ? No big deal 🎼
@@diegomolinaf Buy them on eBay or something like that.
Super review, thanks. I lusted after the original back in the day. This is defo on my buy list!
@@holygeneration7 Hey Kim - Yes, I got the original brown and orange one which everyone knows are the "proper" ARP colours 😀 I'm not a massive fan of spring reverbs so the blue and grey weren't attractive in that sense. When they were released they were £100 more than the brown so not good value in my opinionn. Prices have come down a lot since then and all can be had for close to the same price and often under £500 - great value. You can see mine on a shelf in the background of most of my videos 😁 and I've used it in a few tracks.
Maximal brightness looks like a christmas three :)
The original did have that lfo that they ‘added’ it was just part of the keyboard section rather than on the synth module itself.
The 3620 did have the LFO section, but not the 3604. That’s the one I have used.
@@rishabhrajan Yeah, and apparently the 3620's became impossible to find.
Can the Odyssey serve as controller for the 2600? Can Odyssey keys, sequencer, filters, ring modulator, S&H, effects, etc. control the 2600 oscillators? Can 3 oscillators stack with Odyssey's 2 oscillators to get 5 notes? Any other interesting reasons found to put the 2 instruments together in live performance? I have 2 Behringer Odysseys. Any reason to spend another $600 on this? Questions that make me go hmmmm.
You can use the Odyssey to play the notes via 5 pin midi.
This should in theory allow you to use the Odyssey step sequencer and Arpregiator to control the 2600.
However I don't think you can control the 2600 S&H using the Odyssey, it may be possible to sync via CV gate etc but not sure.
You won't be able to control the 2600 fliters etc from the Odyssey.
It may be possible to route the 2600 audio through the Odyssey though inorder to use the excellent effects found on the Odyssey, if the Odyssey has audio in jacks on the back.
Just a thought:).
And yes, you will have the 3 oscillators of the 2600 as well as the 2 of the Odyssey...very fat sound:). However the Odyssey has different filters than the 2600. But yes you have 5 fat notes on each key.
@@maydaygoingdown5602 Thanks, I'll probably buy and experiment. Can always return it eh?
@@islandpalm148 Did you buy one and if so do you think its added anything much if you already own an Odyssey? Thanks
@@maccagrabme I donated my 2600 to the electronic music dept at my alma mater, along with an Arturio Keystep. It's more of a time-consuming studio instrument. I have twin Odysseys for live performance whose independence is more valuable than 1 controlling the other.
The 2600 would be a better music maker if it had an onboard sequencer and keyboard, which Behringer did easily enough for Odyssey and Poly D.
This has to be the coolest looking modern synth =)
I want it
only 5-7 more weeks til this badbois is in my studio
I'm waiting for some music then!
Great review, waiting for it to arrive at Sweetwater
Same here. I reserved mine last week. They're only getting 800 units. I reserved mine when they were at 480.
@@elyot4010 Oh good to know I was about to call my sweetwater guy. I reserved back in August.
hi there. what are you using to sequence it?
Arturia keystep pro
@@DeeJay003 so lets say if you go to 7:30mins. that sequence is being created on the sequencer on the keystep?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I heard 2600 is not eurorack compatible. Is this true? I was going to implement it into my setup but I'm not sure if it's worth the trouble if it's just it's own unit.
It's listed as Eurorack compatible
It's an 8U 19 inch if you want to add it into a rack.
I was thinking about getting some eurorack rackmounts and make sort of a hybrid rack, so good to know I don't need extra modules for it to communicate with other modules.
Kaksoispiste ddd
@@Gyrbae I had a freind of mine who's good at making cabinets and things out of wood make me custom wall mount unit for it.
I have it wall mounted above my Behringer Odyssey.
I've have them both hooked up to each other via 5 pin midi and tuned them in for a 5 Anolog oscillator monster:).
Dope az i had sume behranger mixer an light i still have mixer rack....rad i luv to get this ...new toy. To hook up to Dj mixer an record deck.. Great to cee this out. I have to go to my local music shop
need to boost the vocals on this freaking video and roll off some of that low end tho lol
Sweet.
Thanks for the demo!
16:15 - that scaling issue looks like a bug they should fix asap.
My 2600 has a constant note on, I can change the pitch but the note will not stop when I release the key, please help
Did you figure it out?
Yes I did, just had to get my head around the output routing, thanks for checking in
@@SkuppyVincenzo Glad you figured it out my friend.
Hopefully my 2600 arrives this week, my retailer tells me it should arrive to there store tomorrow....fingers crossed:).
How do you like yours??
Are you loving it, or are you having buyers remorse?
Do you think it sounds like an ARP 2600?
@@maydaygoingdown5602 No I luv it, I have an arp odyssey as well so had a rough idea what I was in for. Once you get your head around the unit its a lot of fun. With the 3 osc's you get some big sounds or sequence 3 individual tracks. It has so much potential and man what about that end price. Hope your turns up soon
@@SkuppyVincenzo Hey i have the Behringer Odyssey too, I love it.
I'm hoping to wall mount the 2600 so it sits directly behind my Odyssey and hook them up via 5 pin midi.
Yeah for the price, like the Odyssey it's a no brainer.
YEESSSSSSSS TAKE MY MONEY
Yeah, but does it pass the R2 test?
Imma buy. Someday. I love the new features Behringer added.
I'm an ARP fan.. have an Odyssey, ARP2600 and ProSoloist and while this synth sounds ok it isn't really giving me the ARP vibe I know... that's not to say it is bad ... it's not... but I haven't heard a single recognisable 2600 sound in this video or others...
The Behringer 2600 actually has more facilities than the original and Korg reissue but it doesn't give me quite the same vibe.. though some nice sounds toward the end.
Any software emulations you've heard that are decent?
It's based on the early Blue Meanie version so it has more range, The production ARPs had limited bandwidth but you could make the behringer sound more like an original by cutting treble
I had three original 2600s, Chromas, Quadra and Odysseys etc so I'm lovin' the behringers.
@@davejames885 have you tried any software ARPs that you like?
@@connorflynn1885 I did have one of the early plugins that was okay but that was over ten years ago. I haven't used a DAW since 2009 when my last one blew up. Happy with DAWless at the moment but I will get back to it. My first DAW was in 1985 so I got a bit bored of working that way.
@@davejames885 fair enough. I kind of went the opposite direction myself, but mainly because I move around a bunch but can always bring a laptop and a simple controller.
WOW
We've already caught up to 1970's alien technology. Not many people dont realize that 😕
I cant say I agree if I know what your saying. I feel alien synth tech is still unlimited. I also feel the retro alien tech needs more brilliance on the the user end. Basically, we have not pushed the limits but I get your point. I do want new gear and not all reissues (micro freak a good example). I mean there is still so many innovative new synth (speedy usually) as well, its more a price thing for me. Cheers.
@@OCEANSINSPACE Close Encounters bro. They dropped that blue meanie and a cs80 off to the lab coat guys.. same guys who who engineered Let it Be. CHEEAHS
@@ME-ru4hv Ill just agree as your cool! Im still playing catchup with synths. I mean a vcs3 briefcase is still like the atomic bomb to me but in a good way.
I'm glad you've reviewed this. Nice work! By now we've become accustomed to Behringer offering inexpensive clones but.... Wow! This is a damn 2600 clone for $600! That's a pretty big release from them. I've been 50-50 on this thing, opting for the 2500 modules instead, but now I _NEED_ it!
with arturia keboard !!!!! you're the best :)
Looks like there are still some bugs in the design. Like the slider range that controls the vibrato delay onset. Hard to understand how that wasn’t pointed out by the beta testers.
At 600 buck this is almost to good to be true, is it as good as it looks???
Watch the video and judge for yourself.
9:14 Came here for that R2D2 sound hahah
so his voice is basically a fm'd lpf?
@@PercivalThe23 ok so im not exactly sure about the technicalities but what i do know is that r2d2's "voice" was made by Ben Burtt on a 2600.
@@Skejtboard oh,sorry,i meant an frequency modulated lowpassfilter!
i guess it is something...
@@PercivalThe23 fm always makes me dizzy when i look into it but you're probably right! Or some LFO. That maybe what you mean?
@@Skejtboard lfo's could be or maybe a sample & hold...
i am also not that expert!😉
Check out the 2600 sounds on take the fear out the gear channel
you show us only controls. how about quality of sound? maybe someone would like to hear oscilators, square, pulse, saw...
my comment is that you sold the damn thing to me and I'm getting 2 on them.
The 6000.00 "ARP 2600" IS NOW 699.00. WOW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
under 500 euro now in europe
@@SuckeroftheYear £449 for the black/orange at Andertons. Meanies and Marvins are £499.
That christmass tree IS NOT AN ARP
Great for enthusiasts, noodlers etc.
Shit for gigging pros. (no patch recall)
You wouldn't have made it in the 60's 70's or 80's --- pre DX7, anyways....
@@thegood9 Funny, I seem to recall I did.
Stupid thing to say as you weren't there.
@@PeterWalkerHP16c lol, fraid i was raised on em, mein Freund. Juno-60, Juno-106, Jupiters, etc... try again. Point taken, I wouldn't want this thing on the road with me, but, it's still an incredible piece of work. The Arp was an amazing piece of gear and I KNOW I can't find a reliable one for 600 USD like Behringer has managed to do. They were never "road synths", despite some people trying it...
@@thegood9 My first was a Yamaha SY-1. The presets were coloured toggles - easy.
My second was a Juno-6. No bloody presets and a lot of stuffing around with notebooks and sliders.
That's why presets were invented. Also I never personally knew a single muso who could afford the like of an ARP 2600 or the CSxx or even the Korgs PS
not a fan of the strict r, g, b colorway. looks like cheap christmas lights, but since theyre LEDS that probably can be modded
In the video Rishabh shows how to easily adjust the LEDs and to even (almost) turn all of them off.
The Blue Marvin version has single color LEDs that can be turned down
All we need now is a behringer buchla easel. *cough cough*
Very nice! And for $599! Wow
This is a review or a paid placement walkthrough?
Great question.
youtubers are legally required to state when something is a paid promotion. Its fairly safe to assume that this isnt paid promotion given that it isnt marked as such.
Wow!
The midi is only note on and off? Sheesh.
I know right...
These multi coloured lights are not going to give me a mood to make music.. there completely over the top design. It’s great Behringer has of course made this some what copy affordable, but I don’t think I could ever enjoy using a machine with such aesthetics even when it might sound close to the real thing.. then again korg will use much more near to authentic chips (bringing us closer to the original sound) plus with it being mini and all black original design, that’s something epic to look forward to.
Hi. In the video Rishabh shows you how to easily reduce the multi-coloured lights on the 2600. ;-)
No brainer buy. I'll take 6 of them.
Looks like a christmas tree x)
Wow I thort my yamahasynth djx 5000 was dope back in 90 s. No. This is dam phat. This will make my hip hop dam magic nuts. I herd it yoused in hip hop so much. Marster the 808 an this. Machine is nuts ...
You’re simple
De la shit
This is the best semi modular synth ever built, and Behringer is selling this for $599!!!! They’re giving me a chance to buy a synth I never thought I would find a chance to own!!!! They did again because a original would cost you at least 10 grand if you could find one maybe more depending on condition!!!!
No, you still will not own ,,that" synth, don't fool your self.
This one is great, but Moog Matriarch still is by far the best semi modular on the market right now
@@BasariStudiosThis synth is to the Korg 2600 as your CZcams channel is to Divkid. Dispite this I still bought modules based on your reviews and you had my subscription, the operative word being 'had'. Snobbery and arrogance are a real turn off.
@@outlier5844 huh??? Who said anything that this synth is better? I have an original ARP and the Korg ARP, i know what they can do.
@@BasariStudiosWhatever man, i overreacted
Goddammit behringer! There is no way I can stop myself from buying this🤬🤣
I would buy it just for the lights!
🤣🤣🤣🤣
im all for lights etc but why xmas theme looks awful
for gods sake tune the dam thing!
The sound is nothing like a 2600. This things sounds like it's trying to emulate the software emulations....
Your comment sounds nothing like an educated one either...
@@rebours Get a grip.
£550? Come on, nothing positive to say?
It’s close enough for the money, and sounds great anyway.
Another Cork Sniffer. You're welcome!
Stops copies me.
You must be aware that Behringer is using cheap china parts for his products and well it can work very well or it can work one month and then make a nice magic smoke. Somebody opened one up and all parts were very poor quality not holding any specifications and working on the border of possibility for given part.
Ive owned exactly one Behringer synthesizer the Neutron. Was NOT impressed and it WAS noisy with the delay full on. I went out and bought an expensive Dave Smith synth made in the USA paid more, helped support the economy and knew the value of something well built.Quality AND re-sale value if I ever part with it vs. China sourced junk by a hack company!
@@harmonicres I want to buy one of these but feel the same way. The products I've gotten from Behringer in the past were of cheap quality. I payed the extra buck and bought Dave Smith and Moog. Even Korg to me is a Plus!
How is this a review? You aren't giving any opinions or comparisons... is this a paid walk through?
Looks great, a pity it's Behringer.
Stop giving behringer money! Does sound cool though.
ATARI 2600
Behringer can go fly a kite. I won't support their business. I feel like buying their synths is like choosing Walmart over your local shops.
That’s a totally flawed argument. Korg, moog, roland, etc are NOTHING like a local shop or small business.
Behringer is killing the the actual creative makers.
Sounds like any other Behringer and definitely not a 2600.
I really want to not want this synth. Behringer is like that shitty guy from work that you have to tolerate, but you'd for sure not trust him around your girlfriend.
Just buy it if you like it.
feel the same about the vcs clone. If you can try to find it on the used market. you wouldnt give any money to behringer and its good for the environment
I am actively blocking any channels or content that promote Behringer due to their unethical business practices. Ripping off old designs and producing substandard gear was bad enough but these days they rip off current designs and actively try and destroy their competitors.
Not so much of a bargain when you think that it will hold no long-term resale value, likely be made of the cheapest and least reliable components, and funds a company with increasingly questionable ways of doing business...
I agree. If Behringer is supposed to be the “competition that shakes up the analog synth market” then really they’re just trying to lower all ships with the tide. Not raise them.
@@SuperflyCLB it feels pretty sturdy. These circutry from the 70s doesnt cost much to produce so..
@@JohnTrasher that’s totally beside the point that B owns an entire city in China that produces most of the analog components for other companies. Let’s also not forget that they’ve dissuaded Roland from making more analog products since Uli charges them a usurious rate to keep competition away. Or the legal gotcha they’re using to steal Tom Oberheim’s retirement.
@@SuperflyCLB i dont really get the issue... why is owning/producing in china a bad thing? lets not forget behringer was a small startup in the early 90s...
and how are they stealing is retirement bank account? the ob-6 was 2000€ in 2019, now it's 3000€ in europe. So i dont know... suddenly an increase of 1000€ = more valuable parts in it? i dont feel sorry for companies that have that price policies beeing pushed out the market with a cheaper competitor...
@@JohnTrasher once again, it appears that you’re willfully missing the point.
Exhibit A: Uli Behringer privately owns a city in the style of a gilded age Robber Baron. Said city produces nearly all the modern analog transistors, capacitors, resistors, etc for the purposes of synth manufacture in the world.
Exhibit B: Roland has gone on record stating they would make more analog products if they didn’t have to buy components from Behringer. I really don’t think you need this spelled out a third time.
In regards to Tom Oberheim: let’s not even try to pretend that Behringer’s business model is anything but trying to eat Roland, Korg, and the ARP family’s lunch. All the while they’ve sold the good people of the synth world on Behringer doing this to be benevolent and bring back inaccessible instruments to the people, whether for reasons of cost or rarity. Hogwash. The UB-Xa project took advantage of the fact that Gibson owned Tom Oberheim’s name and forced him into a non-compete since the late 80’s. Behringer has lifted his design nearly wholesale, as they are wont to do. Now, consider that they’re aiming to release it just months after Gibson legally awarded Tom the rights to his name and company back. I don’t see how Behringer’s release could be seen as anything other than an attempt to undercut the OB-6 market and stall the launch of other collabs with Dave.
this ain’t it
What a freaking Joke!
What makes you say that?
@@outlier5844 because it is...all the kids will be rambling how they have an ARP2600 while this has nothing to do with an ARP2600. It might be a cool Synth, no one denies that but an ARP2600? They didn't even make it look like one.
Just get a suitcase, open it, stick your midi controller in there and prop this against the lid and party like it's 1970.
Here's Basari with some more Behringer hate. Funny how every hater claims to have at least 2 other 2600s. Things you have to ask yourself.. Do all 2600s sound the same as each other? No. Do all issues sound the same as each other? No. Is £500 a good price for a very flexible 3 oscillators semi modular synth that can sound great with tweaking and patching? Yes. Is it faithful to the original? No. Does that actually matter to you? That's very individual and you'll never persuade anyone otherwise. No need to hate, why not go spend your time on a channel you like instead?
Because the original ARP 2600's will suddenly stop working or what? More music instruments will mean more music in the world. Just what these dark times need.
Waste of money, it really sounds like a toy for children.