Vaccines and Autism: A Measured Response
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- čas přidán 13. 05. 2024
- What is the science behind the anti-vaccine movement, and is it any good? Let’s find out!
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CHAPTERS:
0:00 - Intro
2:20 - The Easy Version
6:15 - An In-Depth Analysis of the Worst Study Ever Done
22:38 - In Which The Media Gets Everyone Killed
33:03 - How Not To Talk About Autism
36:22 - Andrew Wakefield is a Lying Conman Who Wanted Your Money
52:50 - It Gets Much Worse
1:05:58 - Andrew Wakefield Abused Children For Money
1:16:00 - The Part Where He Loses His License
1:23:23 - CONCLUSION
1:40:16 - Credits
Get Brian Deer's book The Doctor Who Fooled The World:
briandeer.com/doctor-who-fool...
SOURCES:
docs.google.com/document/d/1w...
Anti-vaxxers: "Do your own research!"
The research:
That's why I like to say "googling for 5 minutes does not count as research"
@@meodrac Also, anecdotes don't count as research.
Do your own research needs to come with a manual to do the research. I did it, spent a few days on it and took the vaccine.
@@akpsyche1299 Also also, “Big Pharma wants to brainwash you” is not a valid rebuttal to actual research.
And then they'll be like: "No, not like that"
I was born with autism, but I make sure to get all my shots to make sure I'm always running the latest version.
AHAHAH
Same here.
Yeah running on the older vaccines can really affect your concentration and your memory. Always get the latest vaccine.
@Moonlight No, but every time I go to bed it prompts me to go get vaccinated first.
Me waiting outside the vaccine store for the new autism drop
something about a respected scientist calling him "a wanker and a fraud" just tickles me right
British officials only *act* boring and foppish.
If that tickles you, I recommend you watch a couple of hot-button Parliament debates. We have an impressively prim parlance for "this shit's _wack,_ and you're a *_dick"._* It becomes a cultural, linguistic puzzle to figure out how to express a strong (often angry) opinion without resorting to superlatives and overt profanity.
Then I recommend you see the documentaries Vaxxed 1 and 2 which prove he is right. Hbomb liked to leave that part out of the video didn't he?
@@Robert-tn7yz Apart from that they are shown on screen at timecode @1:21:07.
So maybe you don't have autism, but based upon that comment alone, I can tell you have an IQ somewhere south of 50, which is technically a disability.
Don't suppose you're that kid in the beanie pretending to be autistic shown in several places, are you? I'd love to know more about that guy. If it's you, let me know, thank you!
@@Robert-tn7yz What was he right about, exactly? You're the only one leaving something out here lmao. It's real obvious why your claims are always vague and backed primarily by emotional pressure
@@Robert-tn7yzjust 20 comments, weak.
"Save the children" MY BROTHER IN CHRIST, would you rather have a kid who likes trains or a kid that died because of measles
@@Weweta look, im autistic. i can very much say that being autistic is not worse than vaccine preventable diseases. collective immunity only works if a majority is getting vaccinated to protect the people who cant
@Weweta Also an important factor is that vaccines don't cause autism.
Mmmm...trains. 🚂 CHOO-CHOO!!
easy choice. i pick the train kid
*insert thomas the tallarico engine joke joke here*
“Autistic people are constantly accommodating to a world that refuses to accommodate to them” truer words have never been said
It's not that we weren't made for this world, but that the world was never made for us...
Remove the word "Autistic" and it sounds equally true, equally profound.
@@murrfeeling No, not really.
A fair chunk of autistic people are super non-accomodating.
As an autistic person, I really have never heard a quote so accurate to my lived experiance.
As someone with autism I vaccinate regularly to increase my power.
same 💪
didnt work for me, instead of making me autistic I just got depressed and developed insomnia
We shoot it like heroin 'round these parts
I've been doing it for a decade and I've achieved fully automatic assault autism.
@@optillian4182faaa
I learned that correlation ≠ causation in high school. It alarms me that grown adults haven’t learned that yet
They probably thought that their teachers made them cite their sources and do rewrites because they were "mean."
I feel like media coverage of scientific studies really perpetuates this; they’ll hear “study showed potential correlation between A and B” and then all the headlines are ACCORDING TO NEW STUDY COFFEE PREVENTS CANCER
@@juliebogen1797 100% correct. science journalism in the popular press has been handled TERRIBLY for quite literally as long as science journalism has existed. You'd think they would have learned to be more responsible by now, but you'd be wrong.
@@nickbell8353 realistically, they probably didn't have to do anything where they cite sources in the first place.
@@thomasneal9291It's just a matter of for profit behaviour. For profit science journalism wants clicks, not to inform people.
I grew up very Christian and was told that my autism was caused by my parent's sins.
For whatever reason, I deserve to be punished for things my parents did.
And being told by everyone around me that I am a punishment for my parents was definitely very good for my mental health.
I really do not understand shitty people like that. Using religion as an excuse to be a terrible person deserving of hell.
Fuck those people who said that about you. I have an autistic brother but there's no way I would consider him a punishment, or even that he's being punished. It just runs in the family on my dad's side. Becides, to quote Ozzy Osborne: "Why would you want to be normal?"
There are still pastors in the south who are saying that autistic people are possessed by demons.
oh my god, I'm so sorry, that is so cruel.
I’m so sorry to hear that. Keep moving forward, you’re gonna be okay.
To be fair, the risk of Alzheimer's does go up significantly if you are still alive
And dying
@@tanyaharmon6739 Oh god you think that water isn't wet don't you lol
Speaking of which, did you know that dihydrogen monoxide is the most lethal substance on the planet?
Literally 100% of everyone who touches it passes away, it's absolutely insane!
@@utisti4976 yeah I cant belive they let that stuff be in so many food products and drinks
Risk of death is 100% for any human who is alive. The solution must be not to live!
I love how Wakefield’s new boss was like “You know, Andy, you’re right! This does warrant more looking into! Let’s fund a giant study to check your work!” That’s a real power move
And then Wakefield starts cartoonishly quaking in his boots and gulps
"S-Study? Me no like study!"
Its proper investigation!
Shout out to when HBomb says "I want Brian Deer to be able to track this video coming out on a graph of his book sales" and then in his plagerism video it turns out there was a rather impressive uptick in the book sales after this video came out.
Sometimes dreams do come true.
HBomb? The bloons youtuber?
Hell yeah
@@walukirby nah I think he's talking about that one guy who plays Minecraft or something idk
Deer also promoted this video on his social media.
This is sander and stolen valor from Tommy Tallarico's work on creating the first YT essay.
what im getting out of the antivax movement is that some parents would rather risk having a dead child than an autistic one :/
A lot of people draw that conclusion but I really don't think it's true. These people are so incredibly misinformed that they don't even realise this is the choice they are making. They don't understand that these horrific diseases are so life threatening because (thanks to vaccinations) they have been sheltered from the symptoms and they have been convinced that autism is some debilitating form of brain damage that can ruin their children's lives. These parents believe they are choosing the lesser of two evils and, unfortunately, many of them will only realise they were wrong once it's too late.
Considering the other types of bs the antivax people are usually into, they probably could have claimed that a vax causes homosexuality, socialism or atheism and things would have ended up the same.
Correct. Sickening isn't it
not gonna lie, this is definitely me. If I wanted to have children, I would adopt. I don't want to spread my autistic DNA. I would not get them vaccinated. That's why I got a vasectomy, I don't want to spread my DNA or autism to others. I feel like it is the same thing as doing harm to someone, and I can't go for that.
Yea almost like the prospect of having an out of control non verbal feral monkey scares some parents
The fact that people forgot how bad measles is and decided that autism was somehow the scarier option really speaks to how effective the measles vaccine has been
It's also preying on Parents' worries that their child will be difficult & require more care & support by demonising Autistic people as a whole, treating them like lesser people that can't succeed in life. It's a wholly shameful ideology aimed at discrediting an entire subsection of people, writing them off as unintelligent & difficult leeches that can't contribute to society. It's a supremacist mindset aimed at scapegoating a genetic disorder. The lack of firsthand experience with Measles in the generation of parents that chose to forego the vaccine, as well as medical advancement, helped to upset the pros & cons and flip the narrative to support anti-vaxx sentiment and ingrain a sense of fear of neurological disorders & mental illness in an attempt to erase those disorders from public consciousness to cut social support for those disorders & abandon those that suffer to allow the "exceptional" people to succeed with less competition from those around them that get "unfair" support.
@@Whiteythereaper not true
There is autism and vax injury being called autism.Elon is autistic.
And how stigmatized autism and other disorders are
Brady Bunch aired a episode called ""Is There a Doctor in the House" to dispel the irrational fear of germaphobic lunatics. They explained how measles is very mild for 99% of people. And its nothing to be feared.
My scientific research shows an overwhelming amount of cases where children with autism have contacted sunlight during their childhood. Therefore, sunlight causes autism. Thank you for coming to my show.
Jesus christ that's terrifying, what alternative medicine can I buy to stop that bad thing from happening?
And don't say sunscreen, I know that stuff is full of microchips and gay chemicals!
@@ShitkidOfJamrockbunker
And if that's not an option financially:
Basement
@@brook_angelmy parents might as well have kept me in a basement half the time :(
Give this commenter a federal grant!!!
Is that why I sneeze when I walk out of a building and see the sun? I knew it was the tism...
“This is not how a healthy society discusses its people” - this is such a profound yet simple observation. well done mate
A friend of mine - born in eastern Europe in the 90s - did not receive a polio vaccine and they did get infected as a toddler. They now use leg braces and sometimes a wheelchair for mobility. They always say, "Everyone thinks it's gone, but I'm one of the unlucky few." It's a very real reminder, for me, that vaccines have an impressive success rate in improving the lives of people everywhere.
Yes, Polio did. But not all of them do.
Not to even mention that many people who survive polio seem to recover and then many years later develop those same mobility issues!
@@WolfhammeredIf you didn’t watch the video just say so dude.
wakefield paper is so easy to debunk it was an exercise in my first year of university
We did it in introductory classes to bio at my uni Lolol
It was used as an example of a conflict of interest in a level (may have even been GCSE) biology, like it’s that obvious
Same
The fact that college kids regularly debunk this is so funny, that's almost enough to debunk it on it's own 😆
Imagine that being your legacy; being debunked as an excercise for students
When we got our COVID shots, in school, the three of us, we were sitting there for the required fifteen minutes. We sat there in silence. Suddenly one of us, not me, my friend, turns to me with this shit eating grin on his face. The two of us turn to him. We stare at each other. Still grinning, he says "I can feel my autism getting stronger" and the three of us lose our minds laughing. We are all diagnosed. Life is, if not good, at least okay
Cute slice of life, made me grin. Hope you guys have some fun adventures in life.
This is *extremely* funny. Thank you for sharing.
Thank you for that story. It warms my soul 🥹🩷
hehe, thats amazing
LEVEL UP
“The only problem, is that it was not approved by the ethics board, but that doesn’t make it unethical!”
Umm, YES! *YES IT DOES! THAT’S THE ENTIRE POINT OF AN ETHICS BOARD!*
"The only problem, is that my restaurant failed a health department hygiene inspection, but that doesn’t mean it was an unhygienic environment!"
@@williamedge5130"the only problem, is that my car didn't pass emissions standards, but that doesn't mean it's destroying the planet." - higher up at VW (probably)
Okay so I'm going to play devils advocat for one whole second here-
I believe the point he was trying to make is that not running it by the ethics committee first did not make the act inherently unethical, and that he would still get in trouble if he did something completely ethical under the watch of the ethics board. What he did was not rejected, he simply did not ask the ethics committee at all.
That being said, what he did WAS unethical, which is most likely exactly why he didn't WANT to talk to the ethics board.
@@Frickerdoodle “Listen, I know my recently opened restaurant has been making people extremely sick and sending them to hospital in life threatening conditions, but like, it’s not like my restaurant failed the hygiene inspection or anything, I just didn’t tell the hygiene inspectors that I was opening a new restaurant so they never did the inspection in the first place! And that’s like, not as bad as failing the test because who knows? Maybe they would have said it was really good if I hadn’t violated the law by not telling them! I just forgot man!”
@@Frickerdoodle I think that's a poor argument. Medical and scientific ethics in this sort of area are pretty strictly defined and drilled into you as part of our training. The ethics board is basing their decision on ethical standpoints he would have already known.
When he says "it wasn't approved of" it means that the court determined that it he acted in an unethical fashion, not that he "didn't run it by them". Because you don't do that unless you're going into some strange new territory that your ethical training hasn't covered. And if he was going into that sort of area, there are absolutely people he could and should have worked with to determine the ethical ways of going forward.
My grandma and I used to be very close, she also used to be an anti-vaxer.
For as long I could remember shes been into some spiritual woo-woo stuff, and all the 'alternative medicine' things that comes with it. Some of it even helped me (it might have been a placebo effect, but I was an anxious kid, who had a lot of trouble falling asleep and whatever sleep tonic bs it was she gave me helped) and I'm thankful for that. But around the time my younger cousins were born, she got cought up in the whole anti-vax thing.
When my 1st cousin was born she initially refused to get the jab (i cant remember what exactly it was for) and so my aunt and uncle said "okay, then you can't see your grandson". That got her ass in gear and she got all the nessecary vaccines. This by no means made her re-think her opinions on vaccines but she knew the family didn't appreciate her views on that, so she would bring it up, atleast not often.
I remember meeting one of my grandmas friends once, she was nice, she had two kids, one girl and one boy.
This boy had been diagnosed with autism, his parents couldn't afford to give him the help and accomodations he needed. This resulted in almost daily meltdowns, he also had a few other diagnoses for things like excma and a severe gluten intolerance that contributed to the severity of these meltdowns and his sensory issues. Looking back now, althought her autism presented as less 'severe' or she may have been 'higher functioning', I think the girl may have been autistic too, however she had no official diagnosis, which might be becuase many AFAB people with autism and/or adhd can present differently than has been traditionally studed and recorded in AMAB people, but we know that there is a genetic link in many neurodiverse conditions.
The previous paragraph isnt just me rambling I think its important backstory/context. Fast forward to late 2021, we live in Australia, Victoria. Back in 2020 and 2021 my state was pretty well known for our many numerous and 'harsh' lockdowns, we'd recently just gotten out of lockdown so me, my mums and my Grandma decided to get lunch together to catch up. Everything was going well, we were wrapping up and the conversation got political. Normaly this would be fine, most of our political views tend to line up and what doesn't usually isn't that big of a deal. But then as we're standing in the car park (it was a pretty rural place with very little traffic so we were perfectly safe) preparing to say our goodbyes, my Nana brings up vaccines.
She starts talking about how they cause autism, how she's heard friends and friends of friends talk about how autism ripped their childeren away from them, about how these childeren who had apparently been very outgoing and talkative had suddenly, after recieveing their vaccines, become non verbal, aggressive and withdrawn. About how, autism, quote, "turned their childeren into monsters". I'd seen this youtube video for the first time not long before, so I tired to reason and argue with her using a lot of the evidence and counter-arguements presented here, and I tried be calm, tried to be understanding and patient. But she kept refusing to budge, kept talking about all these 2nd, 3rd or who knows how many hand accounts of anti-vax parents with autistic kids. And the way she talked about these kids. Fuck. Here is this woman, who I've known my whole life to be nothing but kind and compassionate to everyone in her life, who was one of the first people to notice how my ex-step mum treated and talked to me and realise it was abuse. Here she is, talking about these children like they were less than a rabid dog. I knew she wasn't perfect, I knew she had her problems, I knew she was raised during a 'different time'. But to hear my grandma talk about these innocent childeren like that broke my heart.
A few months before this argument I was officially diagnosed with ADHD. And by no means am I saying that I have any real understanding of what its like to have autisim. There is a large overlap of symptoms and traits and how they can present between ADHD and Autism, so much so that it is commom for people with autism to be misdiagnosed as having ADHD or for people to even have both. And so, to hear my Nana talk about these kids that I have so much in common with in such a dehumanizing way? it felt like she was talking about me.
I know now, that after a certain threshold the anti-vax movement isnt about skeptisism in the government and the medical industry. It's about fear. Not for their childeren as they may lead you to believe, but of them. of this diagnosis that they dont understand, of how their child is different. In the generations before vaccines they'd have called their childeren changelings, Things that were not their childeren, that had taken their place.
By the end of the argument I was crying in frustration despreatly trying to make my nan understand that these childerens autism doesnt make them any less deserving of love, it doesn't mean that we shoud be banning vaccines, it just means that we need to adapt and be more prepared to make the nessecary accomodations for these kids. But no matter what I'd say she just couldn't get it. I walked off and got into my mums car. This whole time my mums had been trying to de-escalate the situation and i think they were just in shock by the end of it. They said their goodbyes. see you soon, love yous, etc. I got out of the car for a little bit to give my nana a hug and say goodbye but that was it.
I spent almost the whole car ride home crying.
Fast forward again to the begining of this year, I'm spending time with my nana and she brings up autism, i'm imediatly prepared to go on the defensive but as she keeps talking i realise, her opinions have changed. she's reassesed her views and done more research, she's talking about poeple with autism like theyre PEOPLE. She's even talking about how she can see it in some of our family members about how SHE might be autistic.
I wanted to write this so that anyone else seeing this who has or had relatives or loved ones that were/are antivax that there is hope, it can get better. And I really hope it does for you. I also wanted to write this to show how much this youtube video means to me. That a whole new generation of people are learning about anti-vaxxers and how to deal with them. This video is honestly an educational resource, I think that this video and others like it are important and for them to be here, for free, easy for anyone to access is so insanely important that i dont even have to words left to finish this monolith of a comment in a satisfying way.
All I can think of thats left to say is,
Thank you hbomberguy for making this video.
Fantastic write up 👍 It's really hard to talk to people close to you who have these views. Hopefully a lot of them see reason eventually.
we hear a lot of sad stories about people getting past the antivax event horizon and staying there for the rest of their lives. thank you for sharing
It's uplifting to hear that your grandma came around. Thanks for sharing your story!
I'd just like to corroborate the assertion that kids with autism are often misdiagnosed with ADHD.
I was diagnosed with ADHD very early on, by multiple doctors.
Then at *20* years old, we did another one for reasons that escape me rn, and the doctor said it was very obvious I didn't just have ADHD but was also autistic
I didn't think much of it. My mom was really upset. Not because she has prejudice against autism, but because she *asked every doctor we went to if there was a chance I had autism and they all said no*
It bothered her a lot, and the more I think about it, the more it bother *me*
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The part about child abuse is actually sickening. Wakefield shouldn't have just lost his medical license. He should be in jail for assault and child abuse.
HOW THE HELL IS HE NOT?!?
@@Yuti640because he has money
I think it's not widely known what damages the procedures he conducted can do unless you're a doctor, so it's likely these facts were never made loud enough to get legal action.
Now say the same thing about John Money
@@sigmaritearchlector5869Who is John money?
There is sufficient anxiety, in my own mind, that Tommy Tallarico's mother is proud of him.
hahaahahahahahahaha Fucking underrated comment of the year
Turns out Andrew Wakefield is an alias for JOEY KURAS ITS ALWAYS JOEY
@@theautisticguitarist7560 aw come on don't compare Joey to one of the most evil persons I have ever heard of :(
@@notpsicoh2107 Yeah, Brain Deer and Joey are heroes, while Tommy's alias while in the medical industry is Dr. Fudenberg. His mother is very proud. Not of him, of course, but in general.
Shit this is AMAZING
As an autistic person it's incredibly frustrating and depressing seeing your existence get thrown around as a debate point in issues like this. So, I massively appreciate the time and effort you took to use the correct language and generally speak about autism & autistic people very respectfully, and just, you know, treat us like people.
@@Weweta spoken like somebody who has no idea what it's like to be autistic
@@Weweta treating a condition as only its label and not as the people who have it is a quick way to dehumanize people. its the same kinda shit that results in 'narcissistic abuse' being a thing tiktokkers claim exists or saying that people are 'psychotic' when they do bad things. real human beings have autism and they see how you talk about having the condition and they can, in fact, correct you.
@@Weweta hi! im fucking autistic. thats my source. also, the idea of 'curing' autism is eugenics, because you're eliminating an 'undesirable' genetic group from humanity.
@@Weweta like you can think whatever you want, but if two autistic people have directly told you that we dont wanna be fucking wiped out then maybe you should take that into consideration?
@@fengari_leitmotifs tf you’re talking about homie. Do you think I’m some trumpist antivaxxer or something? I’m just saying autism sucks and that’s it. Autism makes people unsociable depending on the level. Being unable to socialize while being a HUMAN is a pretty big fucking problem.
Were social animals after all
I like how the ENTIRE movement is held up by a Popsicle stick of not researching what they believe
You can "research" to prove basically whatever point you want, nowadays, sadly.
@@johnmartinez7440 well you can "prove" your point, but that doesnt mean its right.
I honestly think that if more studies were taken into other controversial topics that same issue would appear time and time again, people just not researching what they are referencing or believing in.
"Bowel Disease from MMR turning the children Autistic" is the prequel to "Chemicals in the water turning the frogs gay" I never wanted.
Read about atrazine and frogs. Jones was actually right about that one
The dumbass extended universe.
The frogs was actually real for once.
@@FaCiSmFTW Like a lot of what he says, its in some weird convoluted way based in truth, but he's twisting the hell out of it to sell you "brain force" or whatever
@@zRhid Yeah for sure. It's always a good idea to research independently even though it might take a long time. That goes for the v thing as well don't just watch this video, read about what dissenting doctors have to say rather than fearful mothers.
Wow that Brian Deer documentary sure sounds great, I just wish there was a worse summarized version of it with more factual errors
Hahahahaha
Maybe a pyramid could read it to me. That would be good
Let's watch a million ads along the way!
Yah, and maybe have the narrator voicing over and reiterating the exact words said in that documentary!
I understood that reference.
You know, parents could probably notice signs of autism in their infant children if they observed their children without taking everything their children do personally. For example, I have a child on the spectrum, and I can remember incidents of accidentally over stimulating him VERY early on. My husband and I put my son on a blanket one day, and one of us on each side gently waved the blanket up and down. My son LOVED it! He giggled like mad; just having the time of his life.
Then suddenly, without warning, he started crying and screaming even louder than he had previously been giggling. He wasn’t just suddenly stresses out, he was in pain, and there was absolutely nothing I would normally do to comfort him that worked in that moment. He was simply inconsolable for ten minutes. It took a long time for me to figure out strategies to comfort him when he gets overstimulated. It takes a lot of calm and collected observation to figure it out, and some parents simply don’t have the patience for that, I guess.
He was so young he couldn’t even walk yet. This did not happen in a timeframe that lined up with his vaccine schedule. It was just him. It was just my sweet little boy struggling to cope with new experiences that he didn’t understand. That’s it.
My brother is also on the spectrum, and my mother remembers signs all the way back to when he was newborn. He HATED nursing. Obviously he did because he was hungry, but according to my mom the moment he unlatched he would use every ounce of strength in his little body to try to get out of her arms. Thankfully my mom is a deeply kind and empathetic person, who DOESN’T look to her children to be the source of her self esteem, so she simply took note and tried to accommodate him however she could.
Parents who take everything personally, and treat their children as if they were born for the soul purpose of making said parents feel good about themselves; they are the ones you often see in the VaCcInEs MaDe My BaBy AuTiStIc band wagons. You can hear it in the way they talk that when they recall things like what I just described, they are personally offended that their children behave differently. They’re angry. They are genuinely pissed off about it. It’s mystifying. But that irrational reaction explains why they are so desperate to find someone or something to blame.
i really appreciate this anecdote. i myself am autistic, and it's wonderful to hear that there are people out there who are genuinely empathetic and work to accomodate us. thank you, truly
I started having seizures after getting the first COVID vaccine. I'd later be diagnosed with general seizure disorder. I'm so grateful that I understand that some things happen at the same time as other things.
And even if the two things were related, I'd still tell you GET YOUR COVID VACCINE OMG SERIOUSLY
There are 8 billion people on this earth. Not having unrelated cases of medical complications preceding vaccines shots would be statistically impossible. It’d be like buying a billion lottery tickets and still losing.
Someone show this comment to all the people screeching about the vaccine killing people
@@Ava-qb1wpsorry for my English but there is always a risk. I was never an antivaxer. But with the rona event i was fully against it and i have chosen to rather get the virus than the Vax. The fact that my country try to force it on people was kind of suspicious. So it happened as i planed, i got infected, was down a few weeks but was fine after that.
2 examples i expirienced: My friends sister (perfectly healthy, half my age) got vaxed, she started to feel bad after it. Around 2 weeks later she died from a blot clot in her brain. Another friend of mine also choose the Vax cause he couldn't handle the pressure of threats by our law. His health got worse with every day, died also around 2 weeks later. Coincidence? We may never know but i higly doubt it.
Noone in my big family or friends got vaxed because of what we saw around us, we all got infected and beside me noone felt the infection. Now I'm sure i will never get any Vax again. Last time i visit my doc, he asked me if I got vaxed. Obviously i said no. His answer: Good.
I don't know a single person that died from the rona but i seen lots of people die after they choose to get vaxed.
I learned one thing, never deny the risks, and those who deny the risk are blinded. Meanwhile there are more and more doctors admit that there is a higher risk than they thought.
@@LuciferTheFirstBorn I don't know about anyone having complications from the vaccine but I did know multiple people who died because of covid.
I got diagnosed with epilepsy around that same time (maybe a year before I got the vaccine?) And as much as seizures terrify me and I hate being epileptic...better seizures than death yknow? Hope you're doing ok over there my dude 💜
"This isn't skepticism. This is ignorance masquerading as skepticism."
Mic drop moment.
That’s Bill Maher in a Nutshell
I call it neo skepticism, it's being skeptical for the sake of being skeptical, not to actually find answers about anything. It also often involves blindly believing conspiracy theories, and often involves individuals refusing to actually acknowledge evidence. Pretty much the entire modern internet "skeptic" movement can be described like this
Cynicism
@@phnexOiceI thought the basis of skepticism was asking questions that require too much time and effort to address. Then acting like you're right when your philosophical or political opposition gets pissed off enough to ignore you.
You know? Like a six-year-old in math class that insists on being told why 2+2 is 4. And explains that not being given an explanation is tantamount to indoctrination.
@@phnexOice It's like these people never learned that skepticism is a discipline (that requires careful and methodical research, and a reliance on established sources of evidence) and simply took on the colloquial definition of skepticism (i.e. expressing doubt) and thought that'd be enough to claim the prestige of the title of skeptic!
Never confuse skepticism for doubt, people.
My dad, who is a licensed physician and (in my opinion) a very intelligent man, once described Andrew Wakefield as an "evil fucker".
I don't know why, but in my mind he says that in a British accent
@@VonSnuggles1412 I'm sorry, but it's just not so.
Smart Fella, your dad. Whereas Andrew Wakefield is a Fart Smella
@@petercohen9600 does sound it though
And that's a professional opinion!
If the way I get treated for having autism is this bad, I really hope those people don't find out I'm trans
Don't worry, you're not, it's all lies 🏳️⚧️
@@yesterdayseyes wh??
I really don't understand why people hate trans. It must be so cool to exist with see-through skin
@@LineOfThythat made me laugh harder than it should have
im both and trust me they WILL think your transness is either a byproduct of your evil autism or something you were manipulated into because you’re autistic and therefore can have no sense of self or maturity or thoughts of your own at all
I remember during Wakefield's testing on the children, the nurse's voices were basically discarded, simply because at the time, people for some reason held higher regards to doctors than nurses. In my country, nurses were considered doctor's "errand runners" and nothing more. As a nurse myself, I feel bad for the ones who were forced into doing these tests. Because if anything goes wrong, the whole team will be reprimanded. You can't just pin the fault onto 1 person (Wakefield in this case) because at the end of the day, it was you that was in that surgery, and you could have walked away. Peer pressure in the lab is legit.
The same paradigm still applies in vet med. Techs are seen by the public as glorified dog-holders and not as educated & credentialed professionals. :/
Incredible how the first American, Tommy Tallarico, created such a fantastic documentary on the MMR scare. Thanks, Tommy.
His mother’s very proud
I thought that was James Somerton?
@@mell7249 James Somerton was the first gay American to talk about Tommy's documentary. Hope this helps.
@@icedlava7063don’t forget, he was also famously held hostage by a group of savage straight women!
@@giac464*straight white women
Watching this video 2+ years later and the best joke in the piece being the final line: "I will never put this much effort into researching a video ever again..."
Was scrolling the comments precisely to see if this had been said yet, because, THIS.
Ditto
Glad we’re doing our annual hbomberguy marathon again
oh i kno right? he probably read what 2-3 hours of stuff? who can ever read that much? in this tik tok world nobody can. its impossible. he literally did the impossible. reading and paying attention for more than 20 seconds. how could he do such a thing? you dont get it and neither do it.
thats what makes it such a great joke right? because its super hilarious. i told it at the office xmas party and everybody was on the floor laughing. literally, they were laying and rolling on the floor laughing. i had to check on 1 of them to make sure they could breath because of how amazingly funny that joke is. you have a good sense of humor and arent a moron at all.
@@itchiegames Not really amusing, even though you try hard.
The colonoscopy thing is fucking insane. My dad had bowel cancer back in 2014 (he's all good, they caught it early and were able to operate) and so every two years he has to have a colonoscopy to make sure it doesn't come back, and he, a 50 year old man who has already dealt with something as painful as cancer, finds the procedure excruciating. As an autistic minor myself, inflicting that shit on young autistic kids whose parents don't even understand what is going on is completely unforgivable and Wakefield should be in prison
"No, Rachel don't wave the camera that's not how people communicate!" Is one of the best sentences I've ever heard.
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Brian David Gilbert’s narration with varying levels of bad British accents is my favorite thing ever
As soon as I heard it the sound was unmistakable.
OH MY GOD IT IS BDG I CANT BELIEVE THIS
@@KaitlinGaspar They are secretly the same person.
i want to believe that brian's only condition for appearing in this video was that hbomb said that horses aren't real
@@joaoruiz2577, Both Hbomberguy and BDG have joked about having equinophobia in the past. Wether they actually do or not I’m not sure.
1) This isn't a video. That's fucking movie.
2) Brian Deer deserves a medal for exposing this.
Is there a equivalent medal for the "Presidential Medal of Freedom" in the UK?
@@boogiebutters6743 Knighthood for services to journalism or something probably
Hbomberguy has completed his journey from gaming CZcamsr to long-form documentary filmmaker.
@@boogiebutters6743 There's fucktons of them (we have a very complex honours system - peerages, orders of chivalry, medals and so on). But they're handed out to people the Tory government likes, not necessarily people who deserve them. A TERF even got an OBE (Officer of the Order of the British Empire) recently.
@@LordJuzzie petition to turn Brian Deer into Sir Brian Deer
In my first semester of biology the professor projected the first page of Wakefield's paper and pointed out everything wrong with it as an example of what not to do lmao
How to not f**k up.
WHY THE FUCK WOULD THEY DO LUMBAR PUNCTURES TO CHECK ON GUT HEALTH!!! I have been eight and autistic and gone through all that stuff. Sure, draw my blood and give me pills, BUT LUMBAR PUNCTURES?? I don't think people know how that hurts. That is still traumatic for me 20 years later. Don't do that unless it is actually neccessary.
Lumbar punctures feel like being kicked in the back repeatedly with steel toe boots. And that's even with local anesthetic.
I am autistic and i actually find the find the part where parents would rather their kids die of preventable diseases than be even a little like me EVER SO SLIGHTLY INSULTING
I also have autism and I want to have a chat with them, maybe one that they will never come back from
@@sciencewithfun2052As somoene with high functioning autism,may I come with? I'll bring the bodybag
The fear is of Low functioning autism. Which is understandable, but measles is worse
As you should. It IS insulting.
@driphearts8035 you mean high support autism?
I can't believe vaccines gave me an ouchy tum tum and a hyperfixation for Super Mario
I can't believe the vaccines forced me to make silly noises and gave me 2 different dhmis hyperfixations 😢😢
I can't believe vaccines gave me anxiety and a drakengard hyperfixation
The vaccines made me like chewing my nails and Pokémon
@@fivefoxesinatrenchcoat1744 yeah you probably shouldn't chew on Pokémon
Vaccines gave me hyperfixation hyperfixation, my hyperfixation powers grow every day.
hyperfixation
As someone who was growing up during this time, I still suffer from this mindset even though I know it's not true! My mum all my life has been a huge anti-vaccine person, and it has basically led to me being terrified of vaccines even though I quickly realised as a teenager that the study was nothing but a load of shit. I got my first vaccine in 2022, for covid, and it was genuinely terrifying at the time - but I knew it was something I had to do to protect myself and others from transmission.
Its one of those things that even though you know its not true, you can't just undo the multiple decades of trauma fear your parents and the wider society dumped onto you. It not only causes misinformation during the time it was published, but actively carries on over the generations because of fear mongering in your own home. Even though I am a sociology undergraduate, and I'm actively aware of research ethics and what makes a shit study and what doesn't - I am still unable to fully convince myself that getting more vaccines isn't going to kill me or give me a disease. I genuinely would never wish on anyone what my childhood was like. I was beaten into fear for every aspect of my life, and as a young adult it's likely going to take me the rest of my life to undo this.
And on the other hand, people like my siblings (who are adults and have children of their own!!) Believe this stuff because it was ingrained in them aswell, from my mum to the media it was fucking everywhere. And so much so that my own nieces and nephews have missed out on important vaccines because my siblings genuinely believe they may be endangering their children.
Thanks Wakefield, you genuinely managed to ruin the lives of so many people.
Ps. Thanks Harry! going to send this to my family and see how far they get into the video before calling me a socialist cuck . Wish me luck!
As someone with a similar upbringing, how did you get the courage to get it? Am genuinely terrified
@@floralia05I was in a similar position and it started by listening to everyone telling me about how boring their last vaccinations were and then getting my first one with my dad (I also got one with a close friends when I was still afraid to go alone). I started each vaccine by telling my doctor I was afraid and why and asked to stay past the 15 minute mark. It took a lot of research and time but after a lot of work I’m fully up to date
Tbh, i'm also scared of vaccines, but moreso due to anxiety of something going wrong or the pain being much worse than last time. I can not imagine the struggle it was to break the programming though, and I hope this leads to a safer, healthier future for you.
Old comment, but you deserve to feel proud of yourself for gathering the courage to get your first shot! You overcame your upbringing, something not many people care to attempt. Good on you! I don't have the same issue, my fear of medical needles comes from childhood trauma, but I know how scary it is to choose to go forward with a vaccine. You did amazing 💜
I like to tell people that my brother is autistic, and I have adhd, dispite both of us not being able to get shots due to various severe allergic reactions to them as children. We both have hd maybe 4 each in our lifetime due to that.
Idk if it makes people feel better abt their fears or not. But i understand where youre coming from, being rased by a father who tried to cure my adhd with vitamins 😂
I'm autistic, and I rewatch this video every so often to bask in Hbomb's righteous anger at the anti-vax movement. Thank you for your compassion towards people like me.
I’m an autistic person. It’s always felt insulting to me that people would actually prefer risking their child having polio to autism. As if to suggest autism is bad at all much less on par with polio. I know I would prefer being who I am now to being in an IRON LUNG!
Same, I’m on the spectrum and it genuinely upsets me that some parents would rather risk their child DYING rather them being autistic
Left wing nonsense.
This is such a good point.
@@morriganx6021 yes, yes it does
I didn't get vaccinated as a kid and still turned out to be autistic. Take that, Wakefield!
"if youre lying, then your book is also lying" is so underrated. good on that reporter.
sometimes you really gotta just say "No I don't believe you cause you're a lying liar that lies"
You mean Anderson cooper? I don’t watch a lot of cnn but I at least know his name.
That's one of the few killer moments from the best TV personality CNN has. I wish he was better.
@@salt7456are you American? Because that could, in theory, mean you’re more likely to recognise an American broadcaster, on an American platform, on an American network.
@@salt7456 I don't watch much CNN either, I just remember he always used to be on whatever channel my parents would put on to celebrate New Year's.
I came back to this video after watching Plagiarism and You(Tube) and observed a really striking commonality in how both Andrew Wakefield and James Somerton defend themselves: they use other people as shields. The implications in how Wakefield says, “WE believe- we trust in the parents’ story” is so similar to how Somerton said “If someone is accusing me of plagiarism, they’d be accusing NICK of plagiarism, and I won’t tolerate that.”
Both of these men knew they were lying to people who trusted them, and would hide behind the people they’d worked with to try to make themselves look better. “If you’re accusing ME of lying, you’re REALLY accusing this other person of lying, and they’d NEVER lie!” It’s so scummy.
So? I can use this analogy for literally anything.
Also, vaccines are much less dangerous than actual catching virus/bacteria. That is a kniwn fact for a long time. Every anti-vaxer is either ignorant or a liar.@@kushal1206
The point about parents not noticing their child's autism symptoms until after a vaccination reminds me of something I learned while learning ASL. Majority of all deaf people are born from hearing families, and a lot of them were not even known to be deaf for potentially years. Newborns can pass initial testing by accident or by the chance their deafness develops soon after, and parents just notice that their child isn't saying their first words, or is behind on certain social and cognitive developments. Babies are remarkably good at imitating hearing behaviors through their other senses, such as turning to you when you enter a room simply by smelling you or feeling the floor move, or knowing that someone is at the door by seeing the dog bark. People suspect that their child has some kind of developmental disorder until a routine hearing test reveals that they are totally deaf. This delay in accomodation for their deafness and being denied access to language is what causes cognitive and social disabilities in deaf people. Deaf people who come from deaf families who have access to decent education don't have these issues. I'm kinda surprised no one has claimed that vaccines cause deafness............ wait maybe they have...
... Fuck, why the hell is Wakefield not given a life sentence for just the things he did to the kids?
Bring back public hangings (not really)
@@Mehow80 Bring back public hangings (yes really)
@@tomd814 I feel this energy so hard.
@@tomd814 Bring back the guillotine!
I hadn't heard of what he put those kids through before. Genuinely shocking
I’m autistic and let me tell you, it beats being dead from a preventable disease
@@nenmaster5218 … I am actually autistic
@@nenmaster5218 I have seen her videos before but I don’t see what it has to do with this comment at all
LMAO
@@nenmaster5218 Did you just "um actually" an actually autistic person, by telling them to "listen to real autistic people"? I'm also autistic and this was a pretty insulting comment because you assumed that Froufrou Deluxe didn't know enough about their own autism, and that you somehow know better than a real autistic person because you claim to listen to real autistic people. It's just confusing
Same, and I'm with you there.
God, the study being evidence and then getting given to Brian Deer is such an Ace Attorney moment. Love that shit
I feel like more of the child abuse needs to be talked about because I've listened to/watched a bunch of stuff about this guy and I had never heard before that the children were given lumbar punctures. One of the most painful medical procedures that you can have done.
Child abuse against autistic children tends not to be taken as seriously, and gets excused a lot of the time. In 2000, when I was diagnosed, the doctor told my mum that autistic kids didn't feel pain as much as non-autistic kids.
Autistic kids, like babies, can't adequately explain how they're feeling or if something is wrong. You poke the kid with a stick and they start screaming and squirming. Well, _they were doing that already,_ so are they hurt or are they just on a temper streak?
And if they scream louder or squirm harder, they're just having a bad episode. They can't _talk_ about it, so you don't need to _hear_ about it. You give your dog shots, and they're alright by the end of the day. Same thing.
Autistic kids, like babies, are already funny in the head, so even if it does hurt, it'll quickly get buried under the noise of the rest of their psyche, right?
(No, you fucking monster. That's _not_ how that works. But when you're trying to communicate with a flailing shrieking minor, compassion starts to harden under the guise of "doing what's best for them".)
I was lucky to not be abused growing up with autism, but nobody understood me (least of all, me), so I'd hopped from school to school and got bullied or shoved-out most of them. I know empathy's not really our strong suit, but I can vividly imagine how much things sucked for those kids who probably didn't even know "how" to tell their carers what they were feeling, let alone "what" to tell them. And what's worse, I can imagine that the carers thought they were doing the right things. Being cruel to be kind.
Except Wakefield and Fudenberg. They were being cruel to get rich. And if there was any justice in the United Kingdom, they'd be swinging from the gallows.
Abuse of autistic children under the blanket of ABA therapy is still legal
everyone keeps talking about how to "cure" autism or "prevent" autism, but the only time I hear about helping people with autism live our lives it's from people who think we never age beyond 7
Ironically, it's often those people who claim to have a "cure" for Autism that make life with it the hardest.
@Chris Anderson You're a good person.
Me, an autistic 30-year-old: *googles to find some tips on coping with being an autistic adult*
Google: THIS IS WHY YOUR AUTISTIC CHILD DOES THESE THINGS HOW TO HELP YOUR AUTISTIC CHILD YOUR AUTISTIC CHILD NEEDS THIS
Me: please sir, we don't vanish when we hit 18
Google: AUTISTIC C H I L D
Uugh, this makes me so mad. I'm 35, and I can't stop thinking about how much better my life would be if I had help in dealing with basic skills like organization and cleaning and stuff. I don't have the first goddamn idea what I'm doing here, just any help at all and I could actually do something with my life.
@@Lawnie lmao oh my god this is so familiar, I am an adult recently diagnosed with ADHD and it's the same there. I just want some coping tips, not to read an article that might as well be titled 'sorry your kid is broken, here's how to stop it being a problem for you'.
Something interesting to me as an autistic person is the fact that anti-vax parents who are terrified of autism rarely seem to even know what autism is. They talk about it like it's a shadow monster lurking in the darkness and waiting to snatch up their kids in the night. For half of them it doesn't even occur to them that autistic adults exist and have lives of their own. Honestly most of them talk about autism solely as a burden on them and not something that their children will have to deal with their entire lives. Their definition of autism boils down to "a bad thing that will happen to me" and not "a condition my child might have". That's weird, isn't it?
it is weird
that kind of solipsistic egoism is very prevalent amongst parents and researchers, unfortunately.
autism is talked about as a bad thing that happens to allistic people
"Autism parents" are the absolute worst. I'm talking specifically about the ones you can find over at Autism Speaks, who are purely evil quacks and just want pity for wasting all their precious time raising "damaged children".
Because they think level 3 autism, not level 1 what you are thinking.
@@zawrator4457 No they're just horrid, selfish people.
Why do so many with autism have weeb profile pictures?
Its insane that as a middle schooler they had us disprove his original paper? Like how did the media instantly report the autism scare but not be like "Anyone who isnt fucking stupid can see this is bullshit"
Media run on FOMO. Simple
And also fearmongering for better ratings.
@@magdaciechocka3076 true, but I bet "This guy is incredibly stupid it's impressive" right in the middle of this controversy would've spread everywhere
Imagine being the media reporter who has to say, "Sorry, we have to concede our previous statement regarding this issue as new evidence has been found disproving it/violating the integrity of the statement."
Your ratings would plummet. All of your more loyal viewers would stop trusting you as credible sources of information if you admit that you were wrong.
@@lotuseater2184 Yeah probably
"that said i'm never putting this much effort in to a video again" and then he puts that much effort and more in to a video again
2 times lol
Proceeds to make a near a two hour video about a roblox sound effect
I know this has been said in the video and probably a lot in the comments, but as an autistic person I cannot express enough how absolutely devastating it feels to see real people say that they would rather their child die of a preventable disease than turn out like you.
Isn’t that crazy? Because they don’t want more work. I had an EX who said that if she gave birth to a kid with a disability she’d give it up and I was so shocked by that. I kept asking her year after year and she always said the same, until she said she’d be find with an autistic kid bc she found out she is 😂
@@lindboknifeandtoolGlad they're your ex
@@lindboknifeandtoolgod, that’s terrible. People shouldn’t have kids at all if they aren’t prepared for their kid to be disabled. I’m glad you’re not still with them.
You're insufferable to be around, violent, selfish, mean.... So, yeah.
I once had a """friend""" literally call me DEFORMED for having autism, then get annoyed *at me* for getting offended at the wording. I've also heard someone complain about another person with autism for admittedly shitty behaviour and actually pull a "well... you know, he DID have autism..." and again, was like "Hey, it's true though! I'm not wrong!" when I confronted them over it. This was a one-to-one conversation. He knew I had autism. He said it all anyway. And then there's of course the whole "hahaha that's autistic. Autistic screeching lmaoooo!"
To many people out there, we are indeed a disease to cure, a deformity to erase if possible. You'd be amazed how pervasive that opinion actually is. We're not yet in the mental condition list that is cool to care about, unlike those poor ""socially anxious"" (socially maladjusted) straight white men ;-;
"This isn't skepticism. This is ignorance trying to _sound_ like skepticism."
Such a good quote Hbomb. I'm not even joking, more people need to be aware of that.
This is one of the biggest problems we face in today's world.
That's why the climate "skeptics" are not real skeptics. They are just denialists.
@@cowmath77 This just sounds like the conspiracy theorist mindset when science doesn't say what they think is true. An excuse that dismisses how science *actually* works, making up scenarios that belies a lack of understanding of the subjects so they can keep their beliefs and never have to question them.
"I'm right, it's just being suppressed because science doesn't want to be wrong!"
@cowmath77 Yet science consists of institutions, individuals and countries from all across the world, scrutinizing and criticising each others' work. Are you trying to argue things like vaccines are dangerous, anthropogenic climate change is a lie and stuff like that? Perhaps I misunderstood.
@@cowmath77 I guess the way I should word it is; do you think scientific consensus is a lie?
The fact that this video only has 9.3 million views is a disgrace. Every single person around the world should be forced to watch this, especially anti-vaxxers, and Andrew Wakefield himself. Wakefield should also be in prison. So should Barr. The fact that these men walk free is a gross oversight of justice
Just got to the part where you say "Get a colonoscopy, I'm serious, cancer kills". Thank you for including that even though the procedure sounded unpleasant. I've lost a family member to intestinal cancer at a "young" age (50) as well, and it hurts so much to know it could have been discovered so much earlier. So thank you for including that.
Also, ofc the video is incredibly well done, presented, and researched. I'll recommend this to everyone.
it’s so frustrating as an autistic person that people believe that getting a potential deadly disease is better than having autism. having autism can be hard at times, but i’m still a person and i’m not “broken” or “ruined”. autism has largely been villainized, and multiple autism organizations *cough cough autism speaks* have made it way worse.
See also "treatment/management" for most ofd the time that we've had a word for autism has consisted of "How do we make them act "normal"?" rather than "what support can we offer that will help them to live healthy happy lives?"
Well lets be honest. Parents who believe that, shouldn't have children in the first place.
I am autistic myself & I would rather stay as I am than die of a disease that otherwise I would never have gotten
It's not worth the risk at all
As someone w autism, I do feel broken. But I think that’s more of something I need to get over than rooted in truth
"do you believe autism can be cured?"
"yes"
ah damn. he got us yall. we've just been staying autistic for like no reason
Nahhhh I have a good reason; *we haven't gained access to his marrow yet...* soon... the drill is working away....
@@juniperrodley9843 Slurp that magic bone marrow.
@@juniperrodley9843 EAT THE BONES
BECOME FREE
@@omidm.935 eat the bones
become expensive.
I am wondering how that guy even goes to conferences. Is he not scared someone will drill into his bone marrow to try to 'cure' their child.
I was so glad when I found out about Brian deer. Apparently, my parents were sitting on the fence about of they would get their kid's vaccinated if they ever had one, then whilst my mum was pregnant with me, that documentary came out and she chose to get the vaccine when I was old enough. I understand her fear, she was a first time parent with all these news sources screaming at her that if she got me vaccinated, I'd get autism and bowel issues. So I don't blame her, but I'm so greatful that she did see that documentary and choose to get me, and later on my younger brother, vaccinated.
Because I remember growing up and seeing and hearing new reports of measles outbreaks in cities around the UK. Heck, I'm pretty sure there's one in Birmingham right now, last I heard 3 children were hospitalised, but that was a few days ago and it's likely gotten worse. But each time, I am so glad my mum chose to get me an MMR vaccine.
Especially since I know people who genuinely cannot get the vaccine because their immune system hates them and as a result, they have to rely on herd immunity and hoping that other people maintain hygiene. Opting against vaccination when you are able to get one is just selfish.
that's good we need journalists like Brian deer, makes you wonder how many lives he's influenced
@@anuuragkanase Not enough, frankly. But, supposedly, book sales went up measurably after this video happened. So I have nothing but praise and respect for Deer's scholasticism and HBomb's emotion and compassion.
And Kat's wit. That's important, too.
This is the start of the trend of HBomberguy trying to make an interesting 15 minute long video about something and then realizing that the rabbit hole is fucking MASSIVE
Also: “I’m never making a video like this again” was definitely a lie
My mother is an anti-vaxxer so me and my brothers weren't vaccinated. We all have autism. By applying Wakefields research methods to this, I have concluded that vaccines are able to prevent autism. Can I be paid millions of dollars for my 'research' now, or do I need to publish a book first?
You need to get a publicist too. Regardless of your current profession.
Also a shady lawyer to help finance your work is usually recommended but not required.
You are just as, if not more, credible than Disgraced Doctor Andrew Jeremy Wakefield. I applaud your commitment to science, how much money can I give you to pretend to go do a study about this?
@@ithinkflutterawesome6511 I will gladly accept anywhere between the range of excessive and ludicrous amounts of money in exchange for me doing nothing and saying I did.
@@CabereaWoof Oh my gosh, my aunt is antivax as well, and all of her kids are neurodivergent (two with autism, three with ADHD). I would love to volunteer them for this highly scientific study.
Must be odd for Americans to see someone refer to a £60 injection as "pretty expensive"
I still see 60 £ to be expensive for an injection.
I hope my injection is free.
My shots were all free to me. I mean it cost someone something.
I mean.... Yes, but also, anything that's not free is pretty expensive to americans. Our government keeps forgetting that we need to eat.
@@Zander10102 yeah. It cost the government eight bucks at most. Reject guilt, get free health care
That’s $85USD 😭 I wish medical care was this inexpensive
Thank you for talking about what those children went through. My child is non-speaking and even routine doctor or dental visits are terrifying for him and require multiple people to get necessary procedures done. He doesn't always understand why a medical procedure needs to be done, and all I can do is hold him through it and comfort him the best I can. I can't imagine how traumatizing it was for those poor babies to go through that, and all just to line the pockets of a literal monster. This was the first time I ever heard the children in the study discussed in a real and compassionate way. I appreciate that so much.
As an autistic person: we have always been around. We didn't just start appearing because of vaccines. In fact, I've heard a theory that Changelings- or, fae children that replace human children- were actually just autistic kids. The reason there seems to be a rise in autism is due to a few things: 1) we're better at recognizing and diagnosing it, and 2) the world is growing less and less accommodating for autistic people. It's so loud and fast and bright, it's no wonder autism is more noticeable now. The world isn't built for people like us. When the world is built against you, it's easier to see how you're different than the way society expects you to function.
“This is not how a healthy society discusses its people” is the the single best sentence I’ve heard
YES! As an autistic person I am so grateful that he brought this up! So many people who argue against antivaxx end up tacitly buying into, or at least not refuting, the idea that autism is the worst thing that can happen to anyone. It's disgusting, because even IF vaccines caused autism, I would rather be autistic than get measles. I consider myself a healthy, intelligent, and moral person, and yet people treat me like my very existence is a tragedy, and people (namely Auti$m $peaks) are currently researching how to prevent people like me from being born! It's horrifying to know that there are people who think I'd be better off dead, and that knowledge is a far greater "burden" than any of my autism symptoms.
exactly, and the bullying aimed at people whom are pro-choice & don't want to get an infinite number of booster jabs is nothing short of disgusting.
@@fiddlecastro1453 Did you see the Chinese people being publicly shamed a couple days ago? Legit coming to the West thanks to these real neo- Nazis.
@@nenmaster5218 I want the recommendations (and am autistic).
@@nenmaster5218 It's called hyperbole, my friend.
"people don't read scientific papers"
me, with the type of autism where i enjoy reading scientific papers: 😎
theres probably an ironic comment about the vaccine letting you read the paper but im not clever enough to make it
Especially landmark studies like adaptive preference or papers like Concrete Problems in AI Safety
I was waiting for this comment cause during that part i was like “oooof welllll *gestures to myself*” XDDD
@@martinpachu7125 I'm the autistic person who reads the vaccine information sheets
@@ashiningsoul449i'm the ADHD person who reads car manuals
My girlfriend is in the low 20s and has autism. autists are just people who need some extra help. Extra clarification in communication, extra consideration. it really is crazy how it's viewed by a lot of the general public, her father included.
Not exactly "help", but yes, consideration, understanding, and a lot less ignorance from the neurotypical world.
Speak for urself dawg, autism is a disability lol we do need help most of the time! @@fieryrebirth
please remember that autism is a spectrum and while some may only need consideration & understanding, there are some that will need life long round the clock care, and it's important to keep them in mind - because it was the most extreme cases that the media focused on, and that's one of the ways in which they were able to more effectively terrify parents. We have family friends with an autistic son who is lovely and so kind, but is not able to care for himself and his parents are so worried about what will happen to him when they pass away
Speaking as someone who also has autism, I'm sure your girlfriend tries really hard. She deserves respect. Not _necessarily_ "help", but patience and a gentle nudge every now and then works wonders. I know what you mean, and I bet it comes from the right place, but she's not "disabled". You're her friend, not her carer, and it's important to know where the boundaries are between you two.
Life's frustrating when you're on a different wavelength to your own brain. It's like trying to hold a conversation with someone in a small, crowded room where everyone is talking at once. Or like you're talking into a microphone that's set to play back your voice one second after you start speaking. You can't hear yourself *because of **_yourself,_* and your brain starts thrashing so hard trying to understand this now-junked information that you forget to look after yourself.
So be cool (like, in both temper and general attitude) and patient and gentle. And figure out how to communicate with each other, because the ability to use words the right way is one of the first things that breaks down when an autist starts getting flustered, and it very quickly turns into frustration and bad temper. At least in my case.
@@Noxedwin yeah, we're a year into the relationship, and the biggest thing is communication and patience. "help" is the wrong word, you're right. that's not what they "need", but I still love helping my gf, not because of the autism, but because I want to be the best I can for her.
Thank you for this video. I’m from the UK and have had a double lung and liver transplant which means I’m in the “extremely vulnerable” category regarding covid due to the medication I have to take. Looking at me you wouldn’t know I’m any different from anyone else who isn’t vulnerable. The whole refusal to be vaccinated made me worried to go anywhere long after the lockdown ended and not only that, but hearing so many people just dismiss the possible deaths of vunerable people as “survival of the fittest” and that “they are weak anyway or are going to die anyway” was extremely depressing and really made me lose faith in people. Even among people I know who know I’m included in that category a lot of them held this belief which was shocking. The thought that I had survived such bad odds and the surgery only to die because of other peoples ignorance and cold-heartedness made me really angry and sad at the same time. I wish more people understood the things you covered in this video, but some people are too happy in their ignorance and love feeling like they’re going against some system that’s out to destroy them even tho it’s clearly not. Thank you.
Wakefield was saying that the cause of the autism was a “leaky gut”, meanwhile he was actually puncturing children’s intestines with unsafe colonoscopies. I know it doesn’t matter now, but that sounds related somehow
Yeah especially because he poked so many holes in one kid that the kid was hospitalized in another hospital
Might have something to do with that disease he was trying so hard to invent.
Nah probably just a coincidence
Hans Asperger sent nearly 800 children to their deaths in compliance with the Nazi Aktion T4 eugenics program.
@@dirkmaes3786 Is this the classic "because a literal Nazi did something worse, that makes it okay" argument?
Personally, i'm still waiting for "horses, a measured response."
Neigh.
You cant response against something that doesn't exist
@@jokehu7115 then make a response about horse believers! they exist
JTRH,NBR
@Iron Ostrich I'm anti-road. Eliminate them. Replace them with an increasingly intricate system of canals. Move into the sea with the Innsmouth peeps. You can do anything.
I'm neurodivergent and the vaccine-autism shit is honestly so exhausting. the sheer malice and hate for us is just. i don't even have words for that.
Hold on hold on hold on. Late to the party, but using my tingling doctor senses, I genuinely think I've come up with a potentially new hypothesis based on pure speculation to make all of this even worse.
"Dialysable lymphocyte extract" sounds a lot like someone dialysing their blood and trying to get "lymphocyte extract" out of it. The result of something being "dialysed" is... dialysate. Basically a salty liquid full of human waste products. The exact nature of this fluid depends on whether it is hemodialysis (HD) or peritoneal dialysis (PD), the latter being way more nasty seeing as it's just saline that sits around in the space around your gut for a while. Seing as lymphocytes do not cross the membranes used in hemodialysis, if you want to "extract" anything from lymphocytes it needs to be peritoneal dialysis fluid.
So...going with the caliber of human being we're working with here, let me put forth a hypothesis that I have no proof of whatsoever, but fits with the characters at play.
Some background facts:
- There is no way to get dialysis unless you need it. You need surgery to get the required caliber of IV access to handle the volume of blood or access to the peritoneum, and be followed up.
- Hemodialysis is done in specialised centers, and the dialysate is usually disposed of as biological waste (not 100% sure on exact disposal routines, might vary by center).
- Peritoneal dialysis however, is done from the comfort of your own home, and you dispose of the fluid as you will.
- No sane person will ever undergo dialysis just for fun, over a long enough period time it often leads to potentially lethal complications.
- Peritoneal dialysis fluid is tested for lymphocytes (actually all leukocytes usually) now and then in order to diagnose infections, and always contains a little, making every PD patient very cognisent of the fact that there are lymphocytes in PD fluid. In fact it's pretty much the only thing you ever test PD fluid for, so if there's one thing you know for sure is in there, it's that.
- Lymphocytes come from the bone marrow. Every doctor, no matter how disgraced, knows this.
Now, here is where the wild speculation comes in:
Ex-Dr. Fudenberg was caught stealing drugs, in other words, he was most likely an opiate addict (this is by far the most abundant addictive drug in medical cabinets). Opiate addicts have a tendency to destroy their kidneys, and so addicts are not uncommon dialysis patients. Or he might have been a dialysis patient for a bunch of other reasons. I see in the interview that he's wearing huge sunglasses, which might be because he's blind. This would fit with a poorly controlled diabetes for instance, which destroys your eyes and kidneys. This part is very very speculative, so take this particular paragraph with extra salt.
Now, put yourself in the mind of disgraced Ex-Dr. Fudenberg, the opiate addict and dialysis patient. You're doing your peritoneal dialysis at home, you're poor because you got no job, no MD, and you have an opiate addiction. You're also generally just a huge piece of shit. You look at the bag of peritoneal dialysate, dirty saline water that is getting pumped out of your gut after sitting there overnight, and you ask yourself...can I sell this shit?
So you boil down the dialysate, which will leave mostly some whitish powder which is mostly the salt from the saline, mixed with human waste products and remains of cells (including lymphocytes). You pack it up in a pill, and call it "Dialysable lymphocyte extract", and you try to market it through a quack paper as a cure against autism. When interviewed about this by a reporter years later you keep trying to market this "product", saying that the cure is in your bone marrow because yes, technically peritoneal dialysate contains lymphocytes that indeed do in fact come from your bone marrow.
So... if this line of complete speculation is true, Andrew Wakefield might have fed a child an old mans boiled down dialysis fluid. One pill at a time, every other day, for three to six months.
TLDR: "Dialysable lymphocyte extract" might quite possibly be human waste.
Holy shit. . . You just scienced out what this totally was.
@@crazyinsane500 well, I formed a hypothesis anyhow. If I was truly going to science this shit out, I would spend hours and hours of my life reading through the initial Fudenberg paper, watching the interview and looking for other sources to see if the evidence that's out there fits with the hypothesis I just constructed.
...I'll get back to you on that one.
@@sebastiana3115commenting to see if u have any updates
@@sebastiana3115How's the hypothesis going ? Found any evidence ? I want to know because if true, this guy was either a sick mind or the greatest troll that ever lived. "Here child, eat my boiled waste, that'll cure your... *spins wheel* autism !"
So. Can i argue that Wakefield made kids eat dried piss?
"It can't get worse"
"It gets worse"
"Child abuse"
That escalated quickly
I hope a Video about Autism for itself
comes soon.
Yeah, it was mentioned here, but lets be honest:
The Misinformation Flying around is WIIIIILD!
Wild, i say!
So yeah, i hope a Video about it comes next.
About that or maybe about something more Art-like?
No kidding, i would like to hear Hbomberguy-sensei's
opinion on some Works of Art;
makes me wonder if it would be something similar to
1:42. Is that a snapshot of his Culture, i wonder?
@@slevinchannel7589 what misinformation? It all seems extremely well researched and chased down to the nth degree.
@@captainhoratiobungleiii7147 I think he means in general there's a lot of misinformation about autism around rather than anything in this video. But he also seems to be a bot so fuck 'em
@@captainhoratiobungleiii7147 Why do you assume i mean Hbomberguy when i mention that Misinformation does exist in this world?
Why?
@@captainhoratiobungleiii7147 I just mean that Misinformation is flying around the world like Ash after a Volcano Outbreak.
Wakefield went from “hilarious money hungry quack” to “abominable human shaped creature” in like 10 minutes
And it got worse with every minute passed, like with every chapter he would become a worse and worse person.
His Dorian Gray painting is just a ghoul by this point
Even greed can't sufficiently explain this abomination pretending to be a human being.
In for a penny in for pound it seems.
@@shotgun6X thats quite an insult. i know many very kind ghouls who would hate to be associated with andrew "jeremy" wakefield
my dad split my MMR vaccine into three because of this. jokes on him , still autistic 😎
Make sure to get MMR anyway, they threw in lots of bonus features in that release/jk
I never got the MMR as it hadn't been invented when I was that age and I still have autism! It can time travel! People need to be told-
Though seriously, I prob need to check I'm still current, I have small nieces and you just know they have classmates with antivax parents.
I mean, it makes sense its caused by bowel disease, im autistic and my mom always told me i was a pain in the ass
massive skill issue on your mom's part tbh
@@juniperrodley9843 mom diff
Rumor has it that Wakefield was the first American to work on Sonic
His mother is VERY proud.
He's got a 7 foot statue of Hugh Fudenberg but at night it makes him have to pee.
Oh yeah, he was also lead audio engineer of Tony hawk pro skater 2
And he also DEFINITELY DIDNT rate super smash bros for GameCube a 2.5/10.
Thats obviously wrong. He wasnt the first American who worked on Sonic, he was the first American.
Get your facts straight.
@@CrazyAbdul1000 Both, akshually.
Wakefield’s explanation for how vaccines cause autism sounds like something I’d read from a new Vegas skill check
A skill check that you failed spectacularly*
Aw yeah 69
"I said I had a theoretical degree in medicine."
@@gesamtszenario
[FAILED] Well I have a degree of knowing stupidity and BS.
@@gesamtszenario and they said welcome aboard
I've always been skeptical about vaccines and watching this put my mind at ease. Thank you
What made you sceptical? Was it autism or something else?
Great to hear.
Good that you keep an open mind!
That's awesome! Changing your mind in the face of new information is hard work.
i wish i knew what was so wrong with autism that parents would rather kill their child than have a child with autism.
"oh no," an anti-vaxxer parent says "i have to be a parent and actually care about my child. if they get autism, i will have to be more attentive... can't have that can we."
I think it’s the fact that autistic people are “different”, and not in an easily identifiable way. They look like you, they can talk like you, but they act differently, and you don’t understand that and *hate* it. You could learn how to mind your own business or even try to understand them.
But, when have you ever accepted anyone for being different before? You *need* a group to _hate,_ an enemy to give your life meaning again. You *need* something to blame, _anything_ to be your personal scapegoat. You *need* something to _fear,_ the one emotion you can still feel is fear.
Besides, you are only wrong if you admit it. Your reality is only what you can comprehend. Your pride is on the line, don’t give up now! If you shout one more time, enter one more argument, then everyone will see that you were right, and they were all wrong. It will be _glorious._
@@chinsaw2727 That's the entire issue with the right wing, their entire ideology is built off of not accepting and alienating people who aren't like them.
My aunt is a vaccine "skeptic" and constantly brings the Wakefield paper up, I personally like to remind her that no one has EVER shit themselves autistic
"Shit themselves autistic" oh my god
That’s the funniest way to retaliate, I might have to use that
While the bacteria in your gut often can dictate how you feel in your brain (it's actually true, look it up) the bacteria in your gut doesn't dictate how your brain is wired/how you see the world. So while i can kinda see what he was going for, it's still fucking stupid.
Not fun fact: some parents force their autistic kids to drink bleach (or give them bleach enemas) because they think that it's caused by intestinal parasites and they claim the shedded damaged intestinal lining is proof as "it looks like dead parasites! Must be dead parasites, then!". Chlorine dioxide (industrial bleach, often called 'Miracle Mineral Solution' among its proponents), however some other parents also force their autist kids to drink their own urine as autism cure, or some other dangerous chemical.
So while shitting yourself autistic isn't a thing, parents making autist kids shit their guts out (too literally) in an attempt to "cure them" is a thing.
as an autistic person i can say that i'm shitting myself autistic every time i consume dairy so take that
My parents didn't give me the MMR as a child because of the Wakefield effect. I'm still Autistic and I nearly died of Mumps last year
Good you didnt. Parasocial hugs and validation.
@@marocat4749 Thank you friend. sending both back. Am fine now just a bit infertile
@@Bomtoutwood Sorry
It's almost as though Autism Spectrum traits are genetically transmitted. Who knew?
(This post brought to you by "my whole family has Autism" gang)
My mom nearly died of mumps as an adult because of an ineffective booster shot. She still has vivid memories of the experience and it breaks her heart hearing about people who refuse to vaccinate their kids. Glad you got through that and hope your recovery goes well.
My autism wasn't known until I was an adult. My biological father seemingly tried very hard not to see it, and my mother is a chronic enabler. The ADHD was known, though, and basically no accommodations were made. I remember in middle school, I effectively tested as too smart to need any help or assistance, while the school actively knew I had ADHD because I had to take my ritalin before lunch at the office.
The Counselor was the only one who tried to help. She actually gave me a pass that allowed me to go to her office at any time, even in the middle of class, without a teacher being able to write me up for it. She was a real one.
I know Deer is a respected journalist, but his work sounds real similar to Illuminaughty.
God dammit thats a good coment 😂
Can't believe he would copy her smh
...Took me a moment, heh.
We all know both the video and the documentary were both copied from tommy tallarico's work on the subject which his mother is very proud of.
As a Dark Personal Anecdote: My mother asked me as a kid if I "wanted" a specific vaccine, and I obviously said no because I was a child, therefore I did not receive it and forgot about the incident for years. (She asked me because she was mildly anti-vax, too late for that ma'am, I was born autistic, and wanted to have someone to put the blame on in case it caused problems down the line... It wasn't until this year, when I was diagnosed with an infection that was a result of assault, that I discovered I had contracted the exact infection said vaccine would have prevented. It is likely that I will develop at least one kind of cancer as a result, and still have not recovered from my own mother telling me it was my fault because I "chose" to refuse the vaccine as a kid.
Please, for fuck sake, vaccinate your children and yourself if it is approved by your primary care physician to do so. It is not worth the risk of possibly losing your or your child's life, or ending up forever marred by a disease/infection that you could've been safe from like myself. I T I S N O T W O R T H I T
I am so sorry that these things happened to you, compounding the pain you went through.
Want me to square up with her for you
how old were you?? it seems a little absurd to me to expect your child to be completely informed on every vaccine you need
@@martinpachu7125 I was about 10-12 years old and, I agree, it is absurd, but also not unexpected behavior from my mother. She genuinely only put the decision on me because she needed someone to blame after shit inevitably hit the fan.
Unfortunately, it sounds like a few people failed you, which is even worse.
Gardasil can be given until a patient’s mid-20s, and any decent doctor will ask a patient in their late teens / early 20s if they want to get it.
I mean technically speaking the chance of Alzheimer's does increase with the amount of vaccines you get because you'll probably live long enough to develop Alzheimer's
It’s very much a gun violence and ice cream sales style correlation lol
"They had us in the first half, not gonna lie."
Although on the other side of things, now that shingles vaccines are getting to be more common, we're noticing that getting the vaccine seems to be correlated with reduced or delayed onset of Alzheimer's.
@@hadespuppy possibly related to the reduced levels of inflammation in the brain in people who don't get sick because fevers cause inflammation, and getting vaccines can prevent getting sick, which prevents fevers and inflammation, which prevents the low levels of brain damage that can happen during fevers and inflammation.
speaking to the frustration of being mildly autistic as a kid, I have to say, the most frustrating part of it all is people treating me like I'm obviously an idiot. Autism doesn't make me stupid, it makes me socially awkward. The inability to adhere to societal norms in this world is pretty much just activating the inner bigot of human beings cause they subconsciously can't stand you. I still remember one person in Marching Band when I was in high school who acted like shit to me. Me, and a few of the other band members were all baffled as to "Why" and as it turned out, it was because " my voice sounded immature" ... yeah... she treated me like the scum of the earth cause she didn't like my voice. What do you even call that? Voicist?! I'd hate to imagine how I'd be treated if I were both black AND autistic.
That's just being socially awkward
you didn't read the whole comment did you? -_-.. yes.. I did in fact state, my autism made me socially awkward.@@average.yt.commenter609
Plus people judge your intelligence based on your voice tone and social skills, not your ability. Non speaking people are routinely treated as nonsentient objects rather than people. It's disgusting.
@@artoriapendragon3234 I did in fact read it more than once. My argument is that your social awkwardness (among other things) might have caused a psychologist to miss diagnose your autism.
Welcome to hell mfs 😂 basically tho…like you telling me words alone aren’t communication enough I need tone, body language, eye contact and emotion lmfao that’s too much on my mental no way in hell am I doing all that consciously frfr crazy how people do all subconsciously I’m not diagnosed with autism I have it’s evil brother skitzoid lmfao so it’s not that bad since I don’t have any social reward system people talk to me and I’m not bothered to reply half the time unless it’s relevant so people think I’m just thinking I’m better than them but I don’t really care what they think I’m focused on whatever task I’m doing besides when people talk over me I want to act out violently so I just don’t talk because I don’t like jail
I recently got a Covid booster and a flu shot. Now I’m autistic. I was autistic before too.
Covid booster actually makes you forget that you weren't autistic /j
God, that section on what Wakefield did to those kids was fucking sickening.
God, I'm almost in tears. What a genuine monster
Yeah, it made me cry
I just heard the list (colonoscopies and lumbar punctures? Lumbar punctures!! Why tf encephilograms?!?! I fear the sedation was a kindness to them despite the scary disorientation it would cause) and so I’ve had to pause it while I process all that horror so now I’m here scrolling the comments
@@electricbluetiramisu3713 I can't get over fucking lumbar punctures... On five year olds! WITHOUT INFORMED CONSENT!? It's reprehensible...
I literally felt faint at that part, I can't imagine a kid having to go through that. Actually a good thing that his sample size was so small.
i'm autistic and i've never laughed harder than as a teen when my parents got a letter from the NHS informing them that i hadn't actually gotten my MMR vaccines as a baby. "oh damn, guess i've gotta get un-diagnosed with the autism then"
this made me chuckle and it's 4am, what a story
Wow. Thanks for that.
OMG AHAHAHAH
THIS IS PURE GOLD
hahahaha what was their RESPONSE?!??!?!?! XDDDD
You guys aren't going to believe this. But now Andrew Wakefield is now writing and directing Antivax drama films, with his first film called "Protocol 7" having its trailer drop just last week. And the whole premise is so absurd it reeks of desperation.
As someone with an autistic sibling, knowing that so many people would rather have those closest do them die slow, preventable deaths over giving an little bit extra accommodation and love to those who are like her is very disheartening and near the top of my list of what I dislike about humanity. My sister isn't broken, she isn't a victim. She's one of the most beautiful souls I know and lives a much happier life than I do honestly. I never have viewed her as being sick or even "different", she's just another person with certain needs my whole family is more than used to. My parents are far from perfect when it comes to separating crackpot conservative views from objective reality (let's just say the COVID era has been interesting...) but they never started on that "vaccines start autism" shit even once. Me and my sister got fully jabbed and they love us both so much, they're setting my sister up great with resources and support that maintains her agency and again, they don't mind giving the extra effort and attention at those moments when it's needed.
No one's reading this but HB, thank you for what you do and have continued to do since posting this video. To paraphrase yourself at the end of this video (and hopefully avoid plagiarism!), you have taken the depression energy that millions of us have at the current state of the world and have used it for an undeniable positive impact on the lives of many. I hope to find my own way to make a similar change, during 2022-2023 I really began to close myself off and retreat inward... but your work is giving me the strength to try and live boldly again.
"Please stop telling me to make my videos shorter"
No. Longer. If I haven't died of old age by the time I finish a video on LGBT representation in straight-to-video Transformers movies or whatever, I won't be happy. Better shell out for fiber-optics, bomberman!
top tier cat mage blep 10/10
That sounds like a Lindsey Ellis video actually lolll
I thought I was alone! Maybe this is my “can watch CZcams at work” privilege but I love a good long video
I pendulum back and forth so hard. Sometimes I get frustrated that a video is under ten minutes and other times I'm mad that a video is under an hour long. These leftTubers cant seem to win with any of us lol
I watch these videos on repeat
this shit also made me realize how little respect adults have for children
especially neurodivergent children
@@cathydinh868 yup. unfortunately
@@cathydinh868 eh, neurodivirgent people in general. They hate us. Ive been treated like a very smart pet for most of my life and I thought it was a normal thing to do with children. I am about to move out from home and my family still talks about me in third person while i am in the room as if I was deaf or did not know how to speak spanish (im latino). It's disheartening
Yeah, it's sickening.
Until they use 'think of the children' as a way of enforcing their own world view on others.
are we considering the fact that vaccines hurt and your baby is probably mad because Arm Hurty
skill issue
1:43:27 "That said, I'm never putting this much effort into a video again."
Me, after watching the two-hour video about the Roblox "OOF" sound effect: And I cannot thank you enough for having completely disregarded that.