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- čas přidán 15. 02. 2022
- MB200 goes 40 MPH
Installed some 18lb valve springs to the MB200 minibike to see if it would gain any top speed.
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i like how u do lil mods. a lot of people just want to have fun with their kids. not have a money pit. thank u..!
Thanks! That is so true. It doesn't have to be expensive to be fun .
Yah even the little mods provide information that actually helps the guys that do wanna go all out to as you can see how a individual part effects the performance with a unbias review that people can trust so thanks black66 for sharing your research
@@madness_-yg3lw Thanks!
@@Black66 hey there I recently just ordered a ct200u, it arrives Monday. I made the mistake of running to advanced auto parts and the guy there recommend an oil to me. Now that I’m home I noticed the oil says it’s 10w-30 4 stroke marine engine oil. Did I just get boofed or is marine oil safe to use in non marine engines
@@Flockingtheherd no dont use it
Again another mod that gained you 25% more top end speed. These videos are awesome little experiments that can allow those starting off have an actual idea of what to expect when the do this or that. Not to mention you are doing off the shelf vs homemade. Something everyone can replicate vs watching a mechanic of 20 years hog out their their intake and exhaust, replace valve guides, Drill out their sponsors piston's oiler ring grooves, fly cut 1mm larger valves, turbos, ecu's ,so on and so forth. Props to you BLack66 for reminding me of almost 10 years ago XD when i started this hobby, now a days people are getting to crazy for the new people to get into the scene.
Thanks! That is so true. Sometimes the most basic stuff is the most effective and fun.
Thank you Bro for making this video on the MB200 aka Baja clone there are a ton of us that have this same bike. Can’t wait to see final build!
Thanks!
Great video. The little mods bring more focus to "what does what".
8 miles hr is nothing to sneeze at! As always thanks for the step by steps u taught me alot!👍🏾 Not to mention u live in MINI BIKE HEAVEN!!!😆
Ya, It made a big difference for such a little mod.
Love how helpful your vids are 13 bucks and my son and i have another hangout session and testing in the woods coming soon! Thanks bro
Awesome! Thanks for watching the videos.
8mph for $15. That's a pretty big bang for your buck.
If you have a non hemi 212 check out the stamped 1.3 ratio rockers especially if your already running a low lift cam the stamped 1.3s drop right in for 20 bucks thats what i cheater power as they look like the stock rockers but provided the extra lift especially to a untrained eye you could really make some big power on a stock looking set
As long as the risk is understood. You may get an undesirable big bang.
@@Deucealive75 im running around .300 lift with a .010 head gasket no issues on a 212 mod2 and 1.3s with 26lb springs turning 8k and has been doing so very reliably iv ripped 420 chain in half with that set up twice on a manco thunderbird mini bike ik on the 212 you can run at least .300 lift with no piston to valve clearance issues 245 duration so it really does make some power especially from 3500 to 7900 rpms when the 26lb spring start to float but not bind so it basically hangs at 8k im gonna put 37lb single springs in to turn even higher because the power band is still there especially with the vm22 or bigger carbs on my 224 build im gonna be running .361 lift with 260 duration 32 28 valves so if you check clearances you can run ratio rockers check without a head gasket because that can always be changed to make the clearance you need but will effect your compression a little bit but with a welded chamber head you can gain the compression back or using a smaller cc head. If you change 1 thing its gonna effect another so you will have to compensate for your changes
Wow those spring can do that? Its amazing.
I like your videos. They're extremely helpful.
Thank you!
Where did you get the parts for upgrades. Thinking about picking up one of these bikes but they have a top speed of 25 mph out of the box. 200cc. Thanks in advance.
You make this look way to easy 😂
Great video
I have a variety pack of copper washers, used some to shim under my coleman RT200 valve springs, stiffened em right up. (Dont use steel shims tho, probably scuff up the retaining stuff) Gained like 4mph
Straight chain it next see what it’ll do next 50 mph?
That is more like it good job😀
Really helpful video. Thanks
Black66 Where Did You Get That Bike? Looks Cool
Thanks. You can get them on Amazon or tractor supply and a few other places.
think a hotter spark plug would up the Hp?
Great informative content. With all your involvement in charts and mini bikes have you found a tach that can be used on a mini bike single cyl....anyway keep the vids coming
( please consider at least gloves and protective jacket just in case a part fails,...yes you are worth it😬
Thanks! yes, I used a tach in this video. czcams.com/video/oxhroZjFb1A/video.html
Did you remove the gov on this engine?
We're running a 120 jet on our flat track mini. It's definitely popping when you let off throttle. This knock off mikuni does not have the needle valve adjustment clip. You think a 130 would be ok? That's all I have at the moment.
If you are running a VM22 knock-off, it has a clip and needle inside the slide for adjustment. At least all my VM22 carbs have an adjustment. You must be running a different style or brand carb. When you let off the throttle, it runs on the idle circuit only so it gets lean and Causes a pop. That's ok as long as it runs well under throttle. You can get it to go away by richening up those circuits A 130 could be ok. It's hard for me to know for sure because everyone lives at different altitudes with different engine combos. So everyone's jetting could be different. I would just try it out and see how it runs.
Hit 55 on mine with the ducar and juggernaut bike likes to wheelie takes some getting use to to ride
No you didnt.
@@robbyboi it blew the jack shaft up pretty soon after
Can that stock engine take billet parts?
Time for a banzai 265 cam from EC it’s only $55 cam and springs. Supposedly ECs favorite cam they make
That cam or the Dover Power superman series 265 cam. I love that cam. I have it installed on a lot of other bikes in the videos. It Really runs on the Tillotson 212 E
@@Black66 nice there’s a few videos of the Superman cam but none of the banzai so if your looking for more views you would be the only person on all of CZcams to have ran it and documented it
I was debating on putting valve springs in my Baja but don’t really want to do billet parts do you think the engine would be ok without them I currently have a tav and stage 1 kit and am hitting 44 mph but think the springs are holding it back
Strings are cheap but for the cost of a stage 2 kit if your running stock 196 buy a ducar or a Tillotson 212e or 212r you will save money in the long run
If you are running a TAV with a 19 inch tire valve springs aren't going to help anything. The stock springs can easily handle the RPM you are topping out at.
Ok thanks I was thinking they were because I had the Tav and then added a stage 1 kit and did not pick up top speed from the stage 1
@@lukes7579 rpm your stuck at 3600 with governor springs won't help tell you remove governor ducar has a governor set for 5300 rpm and the Tillotson 212r is set for 5800 rpm so 19 inch tire 10/50 sprocket set up gear ratio is 5.0 at 5800 rpm 65 mph weight is a factor at 200 pounds I always shave 5mph off the calculation
@@heathenprojects2639 ya I also did forget to mention that I removed the gov already
I just love my Trailmaster Hurricane stage 1 and I take it everywhere on and off roads👏🏽💪🏽🔥😇 mine tops out at 48 on a flat road
Yes great bikes! Check out the Trailmaster we have on the channel. We were running a 263. czcams.com/video/AveOI2M57oU/video.html
I have the coleman ct200ex and I can get it up to 50 quite a bit done to it tho
Nice video, I have the same bike,and I love it. Your motor sounds strong like you bypassed the governor. Did you do a video showing how you did that? If so let me know witch one it is. I've seen a lot of videos on how, but you look like you know what you are doing. Thanks
Thanks! This bike has the governor removed because it's running a slide carburetor. Check out this video where I removed the governor. It's not the MB2300 in the video, but it's the same process on the MB200. czcams.com/video/lZGNDW9UPfg/video.html
Hey my man I have a warrior MB mini bike could you help me out with the governor I don't know how to take it off and what would I need to help it run better❤❤
I have quite a few governor removal videos on the channel . The governors are similar across many bikes. Check out this video czcams.com/video/CK4p-iYTwFg/video.html
I have the exact same mini bike can you tell me everything you got for your bike so I can make mine go 40 please get back to me
Can you use that carb on an engine that still has the governor in it?
Only the internal governor will remain if you add the slide carb because the slide carb doesn't use the stock throttle linkage.
@@Black66 would it be fine with the internal still in the engine or would it be at risk
@@Minty8901 There is always a risk. Its always recommended to take out the internal governor when you no longer are using the external stuff. Just more stuff to potentialy break. With that being said I havent opened the case on this one . No problems so far. I have a Coleman 196 that I have ran for about a year now without a problem with the internal governor still in tact. It's still smart to remove it though.
Do you still have the governor on it? I'm about to start messing with mine but don't want to take out the governor. Do you know if there is a way to adjust it by chance?
I have quite a few bikes I have removed the governor on. Check the playlist for quite a few governor removals .
@@Black66 I'm trying not to remove it if I don't have to.
I have stock 212cc with header pipe, governor still in and stock air box top speed is 35 miles/hr. would heavier springs do any good. I dont want it to blow up
If the governor is still hooked up it will stay the same. If you disconnect the governor You should gain some. I gained about 8 MPH on a Hemi Predator just by changing springs. It should be ok. But there are no guarantees with any of their stuff. Just the nature of it. The thing about it is even if the engine will rev that high you don't have to drive it hard all the time.
@@Black66 thanks man, 1 more question do uk what bolts there are that hold the case to the block. in the case there is the crank and stuff. cuz I lost 1 bolt
@@justbuilds8248 M8x32 side cover bolt
@@Black66 thank you once again
Just posted my first CZcams video on my other account. thx for the inspiration to start doing CZcams videos:)
Here's a link if anyone wants czcams.com/video/Fc5yKZYUvsQ/video.html
How much do you weigh?
There is something majorly wrong with my bike. I just put a brand new non epa carb on it along with the mod2 cam and 18 pound springs go to test ride it and even floored it could barely move me with the slightest incline. I'm guessing it has to be the gearing on it cause i got a 44 tooth sprocket on the read and in front i believe there is either a 11 or a 12 tooth sprocket. I knew the smaller the rear the less get up and go it would be but i didn't expect it to be this bad to wear it would barely go at all. I don't think i got it over 10 mph. So i'm think maybe trying leaving the 44 tooth on the read and changing out the 12 tooth in front to a lower tooth like 9 tooth maybe and seeing how that rides. If that don't work i'll just lose the 44 tooth and put back the stock 50 tooth. And if that don't work then something else entirely must be wrong with it. I did accidently rip a small corner of the side cover gasket when putting in the mod 2 cam and have not changed the torn gasket yet with a new one but that wouldn't really cause a huge power loss like that i wouldn't think ? also valve cover gasket is not the best either so i got a new set of gaskets i will be adding soon. And the stock bolts that came on mini bike just suck in general cause several of them broke in half while i was tightening them down. Broke a valve cover bolt, broke both front of gas tank bolts/studs and broke the chain adjuster bolt next to rear tire. All broke just from tightening them lol. Like what the hell man ? Made in China !!! ;)
Ive never broke a single one off of the many engine ive torn down and put together. Try to run the nuts or bolts up flush and then a 1/4 to 1/2 turn more. Unless you torquing bolts like the the head or side cover which ha e torque spec they suppose to be tightend to. And if your running a 12 front with a 44 rear that gives you a 3.6 to 1 gear ratio. Thats way to high. Go back to the 50 tooth rear and a 10tooth front or 8 tooth if your in the 200lb plus club.
You're going to want to change all gaskets. Sounds like a compression issue. Best to use good, quality gaskets too.
Black how much rpm did you gain ? :) great video
If the stock gearing is 10/1 he gained around 1400 RPM. Not a good idea to be running 7K RPM on a stock engine very long.
@@Deucealive75 you dont know what youre talking about
Massimo Mb200S vs axis? Any thoughts?
They both will get the job done. I think it depends on what you're gonna be doing with it if one has rear suspension and the other doesn't. And personal preference. But I really like the looks of that Massimo MB200. I would like to have one.
Why’d you stop the series on this bike is it harder for reaching top speed
Someone bought this bike from me. I think I could have gotten more out of it for sure.
@@Black66 yea I’ve been following your vids to get more knowledge, I’ve done everything I’ve said so far to my bike also govt removal but I’m just trying to hit 60-65 and enjoy ride outs .. Ik porting is more expensiver should I just go cam, flywheel and rod to achieve that also running a 15 max torque and 75 back but I have a 50 aswell
How would I make a predator 212 go like 50mph? Would what I have to add to it?
Gearing gearing gearing its literally everything a stock engine can go almost 50mph but a built one only go 60 its depends on your gearing and the max rpms you wanna turn then gear it around that for 50 or 55 but the best way to go faster is to change your gearing you build the engine go what ever max rpms you wanna run and look what gear ratio and tires sizes you need to hit your speed goal
The engine its self to build it reliably your gonna wanna billet rod and a aftermarket flywheel rated for higher rpms i personal prefer the billet 32° flywheel because if say you only wanna turn 7k ar first and you buy a flywheel rated for 8k if you run the engine and realize you wanna turn it harder then 8k then would have to replace the flywheel again save up and get the billet it as it will save you in the long run and give your engine the potential to rev higher if you so choose its what i did to build my 212 was over build incase i wanna go for more rpms witch i have found my self doing going from 18 to 26 atm and possibly 37lb single or 60lb duel coil springs because once you get the itch for rpms you will wanna keep turning it up especially if its still pulling
Anyone else notice that this is not an mb200? Lol. Credibility is shot right out of the gate.
what’s done to it?
Slide Carb, header, and valve springs
Build me one sell me one
What's yer name, bud? First name, I mean.
David, Middle name is Ross. You can call me either. People call me other stuff too but I cant put it on here LOL
@@Black66 Is Dave ok?
@@jeffrykopis5468 Sure
@@Black66 Cool. Stuffy, uptight guys that insist on being called Jonathan, James, Robert, William, etc, rub me the wrong way.
@@jeffrykopis5468 cringe.
Where are u located ?
All this Chinese crap needs reworked right after you purchase it. This is the truth with a global market, now they can rip us off without any consequences 😮
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Where did you get the exhaust for the MB200?
GoPowerSports. Its a CT200U-EX pipe. Check out the mini bike playlist on the channel for many more MB200 videos. czcams.com/video/U0_MWmJ1oi4/video.html
It’s time for me to do an oil change and spark plug on my MB200. Do you have any recommendations on good oil to use and is there an upgrade for the spark plug?
Help me out. Massimo warrior or Colman bt200 x. Which one should I buy
The Massimo warrior is so cool!
Thanks Black 66
Massimo mb 200 real trea 😂 my first minibike still adding parts one payday at a time