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- The Patriots haven’t won a playoff game since 2018 and two of the last three seasons finished below .500. Bill Belichick was asked yesterday what type of optimism Patriots' fans should have moving forward, Belichick simply responded quote, “the last 25 years.” Emmanuel Acho, Joy Taylor, LeSean McCoy, and Ric Bucher discuss whether Bill Belichick has anything left to prove in the NFL.
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Dave Helman that is all
If Bill Belichek was a Running Back or a Black Quarterback, he’d be unceremoniously cut or fired by now.
Bill Belichick still has to prove that he can win a playoff game as the Jets head coach : )
The reason why I give Brady more value. He was not expensive compensation wise, and the offense Brady led kept defensive units on the field a very long time and the defense played limited times while being quite talented and commonly shorter times on field than their opponents. Brady is the culture and system.
I bet Belidick didn't even know that his defense was WORSE THAN PACKERS defense on total yards allowed.
People need to remember how dominant those Patriots defenses were in 01 and especially 03, 04. Tom was great but didn't do anything legendary to win those Super Bowls. Those defenses gave up > 14 points on a BAD day. As the league evolved, the script flipped, but Bill still gave Tom a top 10 (usually top 5) scoring defense every single year. Tom winning with an insanely loaded super team doesn't change any of that. How'd Tom look in 2022 when he didn't have perfect protection, a terrible head coach, and a defense that couldn't stop any good offense. Took him only 3 years w/o Bill to have a losing record; and he only advanced past the divisional round ONCE in Tampa, after 8 straight years of AFCC games in Foxboro. All things being equal, they needed each other.
@@pnwguy00 WTF? dominating but needed Brady to delivering winning drives in big games? dominating but needed Brady to score 24 or more in back to back playoff games?
BTW, Brady delivered 5 comeback wins in 2003, and 3 in 2001, the reason they got first round bye. So stop the BS.
@@pnwguy00 belichick is under 500 with his defense without brady so no
Tom Brady goes undrafted is Bill doesn’t take him probably doesn’t make the league he can’t get most of credit
The Popovich comparison was spot on!
Great comparison. I use to say that because Pop always had He’s guys.Duncan, Parker,Ginobili. Belicheck had Tom Brady & associates. And when together they win chips
I use it all the time
It’s a great comparison but what I don’t understand is, is that not every great coach tho? who has won multiple championships with no star player…? It’s never been done but we still seem to pick and choose which coaches get more or less credit. Shady brings up Reid all the time and I’m like bro he had to draft an immediate top 10 Qb of all time to get his first ring wtf are we talking about here, he didn’t win with mcnabb or Vick or Alex smith. Shannahan for as great as he is offensively and a great defense, still would sell his soul for a star QB right now.
@@Pluto24omg thank you! Lol I've been an Eagles fan for 18 years make no mistake Ried is a not a bad coach by any means he is a good coach. But his championship success is a product of his QB not only did Ried not win a ring with Vick, McNabb or the other QBs you mentioned but he couldn't win it with Foles either. Dougie P did though in his second year as a head coach and before Ried. Dougie P proved that it wasn't the QB it was that Andy isn't that good of a HC.
@@Pluto24 Joe Gibbs won 3 Superbowls with 3 different QBs and none of them are in the HOF....hold this L bro
Andy Reid…despite his flaws is willing to change and he develops QBs
Another thing they didnt mention about Bill Bilickeck was how good he was at bending rules without breaking them, like when he played against the jets and kept running out time with the punt formation penalties..
And the Ravens with lining up OL in TE position as eligible receivers.
See 2015 playoff game and Brady in the post game conference: "It's not my fault they didn't read the rulebook."
@@Speedyreedy1218 I hated when they changed that rule that you have to report as a eligible receiver
He did break rules
@@zerotolerance923 No he didn't.
Because they don’t have the knowledge to no that.
Slick and Joy are saving this show
I call him the chubby dude. Haha.
I prefer Dave. Humble and nuanced football takes.
@@randomupdates4013 can't stand him he always agrees with joy
The show would be great without Shady to me
@Milos Marinkovic Dave makes the show better
I greatly enjoy these debates! As much as I like Skip and Shannon, I feel like they are more entertainment than the well balanced team here! Great stuff guys!
Facts: 2021 Patriots record was 10-7 (10-8 after blowout playoff loss)
2007 Patriots went 18-1, not 19-0.
I hate acho but he probably meant 16-0
My take: The fact that Tom was still one of the best in the league at what he does, went to the playoffs AND won a superbowl with a different team does prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that Brady did not need Belichick to be successful. Whether the other way around is also true remains to be seen.
Not how that works. Brady wouldn't be who he was if it wasn't for bill belichicke.
@@madman1840 thats cap tom brady wouldv'e still be tom brady if he got his chance
@@trey740 no he wouldn't have. His first 3 superbowls all came bc of how good the defense was. Honestly 5 out of 6 patriots superbowl were bc of how good the defense played. Butler cuaght a interception that gave brady another ring and the superbowl against the rams was 100 a defensive game. So bill belichicke is responsible for 5 of brady's rings minus the falcons superbowl.
@@madman1840 LOL what the offense was just as good as the defense bill is not responsible for any of brady rings brady made bill who he is and without brady hes mediocre
@@madman1840 I like how people say 03 that sb was a shootout
Well Greg Poppovich hasn't done much without Duncan.
He had more than Duncan bruv.
It's almost like coaches don't win without hofers.. difference here is that bb put the team together too
@@maverick33guy95 rexy Ryan wonn4 playoff games without brady
@@Alex-sf9bo did he win a sb? No.. keep it moving
I appreciate Slick and Joy so much on this one! The game has changed to offensive dominance! Brady definitely deserves most of the credit because coaches don’t play but to pretend those defenses and offensive lines didn’t contribute to those super bowls is asinine! Brady won a superbowl without Bill because of a stacked roster and a perfect opportunity.
But how good is a coach if they can’t evolve
Bro be quiet Tom was New England end of story 🥱
Stacked roster? Nobody was even thinking or even remembered the bucs existed before Brady got there. I will always like bill but Brady was the team period
The team built by Belichick wouldn't have won a single SB with any other QB, because the talents he put around Brady wouldn't be enough for other QB to do what Brady did.
@@williamli6200 stop it drew still coulda did that
Okay...now ask Mike Tomlin the same thing. How many championships has Tomlin won without Ben Roethlisberger? Big Ben already had a title before Tomlin came along to ride his coattails.
Good debate but BB’s defenses were also responsible for SB losses. He gave up 44 points to Foles while Brady threw for the most yards in SB history. Brady put them ahead in the last minutes of both losses to NY and BB’s defenses gave up TD drives to Eli.
The second super Superbowl against the giants Brady last touchdown was very early in the 3rd, Those were the last points got out of that game.Patriots defense can only hold up for so long and the drive before eli came in the clutch it was welker that drop the ball and on 3rd down Brady threw behind deion branch.
Not to mention him not playing there best defensive player vs the eagles. That choice cost them that game.
@@deonterector Branch was running into the defenders, I tend to think it was a misread where Brady thought Branch would cut it off and Branch kept running. As for the Patriots defense, all year long they were a bend but don't break defense that gave up tons of yardage, in the Superbowl the time of possession for the Giants was nearly double that of the Patriots offense who could not get on the field. Can't score points if you don't have the ball.
The hate is in the air ,Those who don't have hate😂
this is why I love watching their show.. thank you for pointing out about how the 2008 patriots others are always giving bill praise that they still went 11-5 that season without brady but they always just stop there and always leaving out that the same team was 16-0 the year prior so with tom brady theyre a +5 team and -5 without him that's big if there's only 16-17 games per season.. if the 2007 pats went 11-5 or 10-6 then theyre gonna look much worst the next season without brady going 6-10 or 5-11 in 2008
ofcourse belichick is a HoF coach specially as a defensive coach but people needs to start thinking that maybe he's not the greatest coach of all time
The Bucs were struggling until Brady had a lot of the Patriots system installed to help
Yeah he used the pats system with all pro talent in all positions
The Bucs were struggling because their QB threw 30 ints, all they needed was for someone to NOT do that.
Bucs had a QB go 30 for 30 and they still won 7 games. That team was a good QB away from being a SB contender and they got Brady. Case closed.
I'm glad to hear somebody say the AFC east was not what it is now
Brady went 4-0 the AFC east in 2021 but keep going w that narrative Brady would still be running that division if Bill didn’t throw him out the back door
@@davis2k1234umm ur wrong sir 2021 brady was on the bucs and got swept by the saints for the second yr back to back regular season
@@satchelthomas8425 I didn’t know the Saints got moved to the AFC East Brady went 4-0 VS Bills Pats jets dolphins in 2021
@@davis2k1234 oh ur a troll I didn't think that was still a thing
When Joy Taylor mentioned the Patriots solid offensive line, the bedrock to a Brady-led offense, a shout out needed to happen to Dante Scarnecchia the greatest offensive line coach in NFL history only adding to the argument with his 34 seasons coaching the Patriots predating the arrival of Bill Belichick & needing to be brought back after retiring because of how valuable his coaching was to the organization
Bill has unable to draft offensive skill players.
Exactly
Best QB ever and Best TE ever.
@@soda8736 Is currently unable to draft offensive skill players
BEST QUARTERBACK EVER AND THE BEST TE EVER GRONK
He drafted two SBMVP receivers Branch Edelman & two rb who set SB records for receptions
Slick and Joy are straight cooking on this segment
Love y’all great analysis
Greg to bill was on point
Great?
Where’s Dave??
Chemistry issues
@@diegomagellan his banter with Shady and points were always well formed. Dave was a great offset to the divas
ahah Its that time of year again!!! Was it Brady....Was it Belichick.....and GO!
NO! That debate is OVER!
P sure the debate is over. Brady was the Patriot's way
Tom already proved it... so media is trash
The debate been over. Bill gon retire a losing coach without Brady. The new question should be how bad of a losing coach will he be before he hangs em up?
@@youngdee6421let’s not act like Brady left a good patriots team to join a bad buccaneers team. The buccaneers overall was a much better team than the patriots
A new kingdom can’t say look at the past 25 years of the old kingdom. Especially when your most renown Warrior/Leader is gone. Also, Shady made a good point about Andy Reid. As for Bill, needs a legit QB to run his sophisticated offense. And 7:03 Joy is right about Bill/Brady. But To Bills credit, he believed in Brady when nobody else did. Also, Andy Reid might find himself in the same boat as Bill is right now. One day they might say, what has he really WON 🏆 without Maholmes.
Nah, we know McNabb choked in that super bowl
@@mrmack1988 facts but you could make an argument that Bill has never let a lockeroom divide a team. He’s dealt with killers, divas, role models, gangstas, family guys, 1 year mercenaries, cast off vets, etc…. And they never skip a beat. That Eagles team fell apart after the TO/Mcnabb divide. There’s a lot more between the numbers for bill. But it’s hard to remember until we remember.
I especially despise the Reid mention. It's become more and more clear that people want to see Reid become the GOAT coach one day instead of it being Belichick's title.
@dt6148 I agree it's more than just between the numbers. Bills also the gm, which makes each job tougher to juggle. The divide in the locker room was a thing. But then again, we also now know Tom played a part in keeping things chill. Tom put out plenty of fires for Bill. Andy's obviously the better coach of the two in this new Era of football. But in that era, it was Bill. Bills the goat unless Andy ends up with like 4 or 5 rings. Then there's no debating it anymore. Yes, mahomes is great, but Andy is the one that had him passing to wide open no names in the chip.
@@MapleGlazedDonuts Because Brady's best skill is *passing progression,* (the skills Marino, Peyton and Rodgers were among the worst at) which doesn't produce great stats.
With Brady, Pats offense would have scored a FG in later 4th quarters against Raiders and Packers, and would have won.
Meaning, with Brady, we would be talking about what a genius Belidick was now.
Andy Reid had a handful of top 10 QB’s as a head coach. McCabb, Alex Smith, Maholmes
Shady was right about everything until he said Patriots defense isn't good. 😂 I'm not even a patriot fan but saying they didn't have a top defense is insane. With how bad their offense was this season they still had a top 10 defense. If their offense was average that defense would've been top 5.
Their defenses were the reason for the first 3 super bowls, Brady really did it blossom into the goat until 2007
Nah cuz when he only said the Pats defense had been solid over the years you just knew that he don't like the Patriots at all. He's not being objective when it comes to them and hasn't since he came onto the show. He supports Brady, but he's never been in a Pats locker room and he won't talk to just anybody about the Pats culture.
@@SlyScribeV bro he's a Andy Reid guy. I'm not mad at him for that but saying the Patriots defense isn't any good is insane. I like shady but he's straight up wrong about that.
when did he say that??
@@MapleGlazedDonuts I'm not a Brady or a belichek guy but that defense was top end every year. It wasn't their fault the other team had a subpar QB or that Josh Allen went beast mode. All that I'm saying is that defense is top end of the NFL and that's undeniable.
Joe Gibbs is the greatest NFL coach. Won three SuperBowls with three different QB's!
SHADY…. Let me Remind you of the Falcons being up 28 to 3 with two minutes and eight seconds left in the third quarter. Last time I checked defense stop them from scoring. And you wondered where Bill Belichick greatness was. Might I remind you that the Los Angeles Rams only scored three points in the Super Bowl the last one the patriots played. That was the same score that Tom Brady put on the Kansas City Chiefs. With patriot players and patriot off into place but what do we know.
Yes because he is not a HOF coach without Tom Brady.
When Joy said “I don’t want to be unsexy here” who else thought she couldn’t be unsexy if she tried?
People are harder on Belichick than on other coaches lacking their superstar player for a number of good reasons. First, for years - up until Tampa, really - everyone attributed the patriots success to their system and the system was Belichick’s. Brady was a “system quarterback” Second, Belichick himself not only believed this but promoted the idea with his treatment of Brady from around 2014 on, when Belichick used a rare (for him) second round offensive pick to acquire Garoppolo. Third, as GM as well as HC, Belichick had inordinate amount of power to shape the team, and he “left the cupboard bare” (as he put it when making excuses for himself) offensively, using 80% of his first and second round picks for defensive players. Fourth, he went on a totally out of character buying spree in free agency post-Brady, and still had a .500 team. Fifth, until someone started asking former players, the hype was that BB was the GOAT. To this day, Don Shula’s win % is better than Belichick’s and always will be at this rate. Madden and George Allen too. And none of those guys had anything like Brady.
Yeah wtf bring back Dave Helman. Show missing his football takes and humble balance. This blows
If Brady was just a “product of Belichick’s system” then Bill should be able to draft any QB and do what he did with Tom. However he can’t. It was Brady
13:46 Right blue some people might not say that Greg pop is the greatest coach of all time that’s only because the down years in the past 5-6 years go back to 2014 it was a real convo of course he still had work to do but people was putting him in the convo and he still is
Rick made a good point by comparing bill to gregg they really are the same
Going 61-21 the year after Duncan retired isn't the same as having a LOSING record the year after Brady leaves. Someone is obviously in love with Belichick.
Bring back David helman!
Looks like “25” hairline is running away as well!😂😂😂😂😊
The Patriots was a great team that won 6 SB with a great coach and a great QB.
WIN WITHOUT BRADY!
It is a TEAM accomplishment in the "Ultimate Team Sport"... this whole, which 1 person is responsible, when other ppl have to catch, defend, block, kick, manage the clock, substitute, game plan etc is really crazy to me..
They have to justify their lunacy thus these kinds of topics lol. That’s really all it boils down to
No one is saying 1 person is 100% responsible for winning. The question is who is MORE responsible. Do you think every player, coach, and staff member should get the same % of credit when a team wins? Or do some players, coaches, or staff members get more credit than others? Obviously most people believe the latter, and the point here is Tom deserves more credit than Bill... NOT all of the credit, just mire than Bill.
Like Patriots to a Boeing plane, Brady was the engine that determined how far, how high, how fast the plane could fly.
I don't know what is in so simple that you t@rds don't understand.
True normally the QB is 80% of a win or loss. Even on a Run and play D team. Like the 90s bucs or recent titans.
Hard to argue against Shady's argument, 55-59. Thats 7 seasons worth of games.
You only as good as the latest season or two! Have to continue proving yourself!😮
"Players WIN games; coaches LOSE them!" - Bill Belichick. As a so-called "Defensive Genius," HOW did the Patriots lose 3 Super Bowls? DEFENSE!!!!
And how did the win 4 Super Bowl defense
And they also won them with defense so your point is 🤷♂️
Did Tom Brady win every Superbowl or game? No he did not. You win as a team and you lose as a team. Did the Buccaneers win the Superbowls when he was in Tampa Bay. Both of them together in New England went 10 years without a Superbowl win. Brady alone with that 18 and 0 team with Moss should have won that game Brady was in both games against the Giants, what happened....Brady was the quarterback of all three of those Superbowl losses. Including the 13-3 offensive masterpiece they won versus the Rams I. The last Patriots Superbowl win. Tom Brady led the Buccaneers willed the Patriots to win in the last game he played.
@@Blackmigobubbie Belichick is TOO conservative on offense . . . it took game winning drives, led by Brady, to win! Do you think someone like Mac Jones, or even Cam Newton in his prime, could have won those Super Bowls? NO TEAM has EVER won so many championships with the revolving door of receivers. I stand by my opinion, and quoted Belichick, himself, in my initial post!!!
@Da Cryptkeeper too conservative? How about going for it on 4th and 2 and let Peyton Manning win the AFCCG? Pats would have another ring if BB had been more conservative there.
Im a cowboys fan so this is probably the first time i agree with shady
he only waiting until he passes don shula as head coach with the most wins
What’s he talking about? The patriots weren’t ever a 19-0 team. They were 18-1 in 2007. They lost to the Giants in the Super Bowl. I’m shocked Joy and Slick didn’t correct Acho for saying that.
Why? Normal people don’t go around correcting every little misspeak or error other people make. Especially if they understand the context and the intent of what’s being said.
@@vinsanity982 Thats a huge error. They weren’t a 19-0 team. They didn’t have a perfect season. They almost did, but they were 18-1. I understand he was trying to make a point, but still you can’t say they were a 19-0 team when they weren’t. Only the Miami Dolphins had a perfect season. Not the Patriots.
Andy Reid has won two superbowls, has historically terrible defenses, and is basically being carried by Mahomes right now the way you can say Brady did with Bill. Belichick has been a GM, has almost always had a top 10 defense, drafted multiple HOF players, still has a lot left in the tank. Rest of the division and conference has been able to build up with talent while the Patriots focused on championships. They’re still rebuilding and not too far off from being competitive with the top dogs after 4 years from Brady leaving.
My man slick got ‘‘em at the end..Phil Jackson didn’t win with knicks but that’s a convo for another day lmao
But he wasn't a coach with the Knicks.
I cannot stand this Belichick slander. Belichick Absolutely deserves the title of GOAT coach. He built the pats defense multiple times over into championship defenses, and absolutely was a humongous factor in Tom Brady becoming so driven to excellence. The reality is once tom reached a level of understanding the game so much better than others, of course he and josh would take over that offense. And when tom left, the “patriot way” that was there for so long before left with him, he was the last bastion of it. And in its wake is the modern player mentality.and the patriots simply didn’t have the guy they need for a style like that. This season will show us if Belichick can adapt, but make no mistake, that doesn’t take away the GOAT title imo.
I’m not sure Bellicheck is even top 5 coach of the last 25 years def not better then Andy Reid and there coming in last in the AFC east this season so gonna have to wait another season and come up with more excuses why he is below avg coach wo Brady to carry him
Belechick caused Patriots to lose a Superbowl by benching Malcom. Tom took less money and where is this talent that Bill put around Tom. Any true Wide Receiver #1 except Moss and he was at the tail of the career. Now we we see what Belechick is truly is without Tom. We saw that in Cleveland.
Shady McCoy jumped on the bandwagon for his 2 superbowls and wanna hate on Bill
Thank you Rick for analogy.
He needs to win a SB with Mac
I think his coaching tree is a point in this favor though. He had his eye on every part of the team, and it shored up the weaknesses of those guys. The second they didn't have Bill running beside them holding the bike they drove straight into a dumpster.
I don't think his coaching tree is a great point for him.
McDaniels and Brady were the reason the offense worked. Now, when he doesn't have either of their minds, they're mediocre, at best.
Changing the rules about hitting a QB helped Tom a lot. I'll take Bills record without Brady any day.. Patriots won many games with No name players.. Always good O line too! One more thing, Bill never said He was the greatest, It's you. So, Who does he have to proove to you's? Bil and Tom were a perfect fit both great.
I agree, Bill needs to evolve
11:37 I disagree with the concept of "what we know" because "what we know" = accomplishments. The what if game shouldn't be played because it's not real, but individual stats can point to opportunities that we just didn't get to see. In the same way that we didn't get to see Westbrook, Harden, and Durant (on OKC). The argument is still valid, just not as measurable since it's conceptual.
I still say if he was able to keep Jimmy G he would be in a better position jmo
it was tom and belichick. Stafford with the Rams is pretty close to Tom with the Bucs. The main difference being their previous teams.
Shady got humbled @ 13:08
Brian Daboll and Brian Flores were the only coaches that were from the Belichick tree that had success. Bill O'Brian was borderline ok but he alienated himself from his own team before getting fired.
At this point, Coach Belichick has little to prove other than to himself. He loves coaching. Keep coaching.
He is on the way to prove that he is a product of Tom Brady.
The team built by Belichick wouldn't have won a single SB with any other QB, because the talents he put around Brady wouldn't be enough for other QB to do what Brady did.
@@williamli6200 hmm. What about that SB where they held at the time, the greatest offense ever, to 17 points? What about that Rams team from 2018, his defense held them to 3 points. Brady didn't light anything up with no TD's and an interception. Cut it out
Bill is just like Popovic with the Spurs right now. Both are over the hill right now.
Acho bad analogy. Stocks have "risks"...being a fan does "not."
I hate the argument of "He had the same coach for a long time". Players get coaches fired all the time right? Well if they can get a coach fired, can't they keep one employed if they keep winning for them?
As a pats fan I couldn't care less about BB's legacy. I care about winning championships. Craft and Belichick have shown over the last few years that championships aren't their priority anymore.
The pats in the 90s was a good team went to a SB and playoffs... so BB took a good team over.
I hate the Patriots but Bill is one of the greatest coaches. I mean really, what would Andy be without Mahomes? He wasn’t being praised when Alex Smith was there. “Sussess” 😂
I just watched a few clips from first things first and then put this show on. Man y'all are getting KILLED.
25. I need to do his homework on the claims he be making, yall!!
It's so disrespectful to hear the claims he's making.
Anyway, thanks for the motivation!! 🙌🏾💪🏾💪🏾🙌🏾💯
So Dave is gone for good?
The B defense was a huge part of those super bowl wins. Not just Brady.
The worst thing that could of happened to Bill's legacy did happen...Brady doing what he did with Tampa Bay.
Not just Brady winning a super bowl year 1 in Tampa. But Bill hasn't sniffed a playoff win in 3 years since 12's been gone.
Now Bill needs to win one
with Mac at quarterback 😆😆
Don’t forget Bill did alright - was winning with Bledsoe before he got injured. I appreciated Rick’s comparison to Pop and his take what Belichick has left to prove. Acho and Shady are very quick to criticize.
He was WHAT? 5-11 in 2000. 0-2 in 2001. That’s winning with Bledsoe?
@@TakeNotesKid hahahaha some people just start typing without booting up the brain first 😂
I like this show but there’s always something missing - like them totally missing the defense elite ness, o line got -a- comment, a ton of stuff
I’ll say early on during the first dynasty it was more bill then Brady but for the second dynasty it was more Brady
Since the millennium has started defense has won championships with the exception of a few especially the number one defense is like New England and Denver got shut down. The Giants Phillies Seattle rams ravens twice New England three times the other teams had top 10. Defense can still win it has Jimmy g who put them in position to be a hero at the end of that Super bowl
Come on Acho - they were 18-1 not 19-0! Nobody remembered the Giants won? And in Mac's first year they were 10-7, not 9-8.
When he had Bledsoe they were good too so when he has a good QB he wins
I wish people would acknowledge that as impressive as the TB chip was Tom stepped into a much better situation than Bill has had I’m trying to replace such a vital position. I think it would be more damning on Bill if he was having these results with either a pro bowl level QB or had drafted a genuinely franchise caliber QB. But the reality is he hasn’t had that. And the best option to replace Tom was a rookie with a very low ceiling that everybody acknowledges doesn’t have the talent to carry the team. So you’re comparing Tom stepping onto a roster full of all pros that lost a ton of very close games the year before (six were by a score or less) with a turnover machine QB versus having to replace the most vital role a team has. Bill has been miles from perfect but we also need to stop pretending like the task at hand was equal for both. Bill deserves a ton of criticism for how he’s handled Mac but the task was immensely higher for him. Now I’d be on board more if let’s say he got a Lawrence who had the ceiling to actually lead the franchise and was falling short. But I’m not willing to brush away all of Bills success because he hasn’t had title contending teams with a past his prime Cam or low ceiling Mac. I get why it seems that way but I just can’t do it and think the unfair argument gets made largely because for so long he got to benefit from everybody refusing to credit Tom.
Well it’s not like Andy Reid won without Patrick Mahomes
Everything Joy said points ENTIRELY to Brady being the sole reason for their success. HE raises players up....HE does this, that and everything else. NOT Belichick. Belichick is an AVERAGE coach, AT BEST.
LeSean stop talking, Bill is great! Top 3 coach!
I'm just saying - for an "incredible defensive mind", all 3 of those SB losses were all because of the defense from said "incredible mind" 👀
The 2 first losses were on the offense.
@@dominiquerobinson8888 Exactly ‼️
@@dominiquerobinson8888 facts. The goat had his defense hold another team under 20 points and he can’t get it done? It’s always been on the offense but they blame the defense 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Acho reached beyond the heavens for that 19-0 and 11-5 comparison… I wish he was still gone
Joy your are never unsexy 😊
If the Patriots want to win they just need to sign Uncle Rico. Boom. You're welcome Pats fans.
He can throw a pigskin a quarter-mile
Sisess 😂😂
I’m going to save this post, because when the patriots do win one more championship I want to see what the conversation will be then.
Save it for after next season when they come in last in the AFC East and hopefully Kraft fires him when they do
If you had a car that won every race for 10 years, then you took out the engine and put it in a new car and that new car won every race and the old one lost, you wouldn't wonder what was actually responsible for the wins. People only have trouble with this because they talked about how great BB was for years and years and don't want to look like they were wrong now. BB has coached 10 years where TB wasn't the QB and won 1 playoff game in those 10 years.
Ok so now they want to go back the last 3 years for Belechic , but with Lamar they act like he last played in 2019? Pick and choosing. Hypocrites
I hate the Patriots but Bill is one of the greatest coaches. What would Andy Reid be without Mahomes? He would be Andy Reid with Alex Smith. “Sussess” 😂
Lol got Shady with the Pop line
The disrespect is ridiculous.. for the most part in sports.. there is no hof player.. coach.. without both
Shady is 1,000% correct
I just want one day for this crew to actually tell the truth…especially Joy n Shady
Dave tells truths and is missing
Don’t get scared now Billy boy
All I see is a bunch of people afraid of the patriots getting a quarterback. Who is the back up quarterback for the Kansas City Chiefs? Exactly
I love when Joy gives the best take. Just to prove that her looks are a bonus to her logical mind 👌🏾
That chick is bad fr