American Reacts to UK MPs Behaving Badly
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Now that I'm up to speed on how the UK Parliament is organized it is time to take another look at the House of Commons, and more specifically some very entertaining moments of "MPs behaving badly". Whatever that means! If you enjoy my reaction feel free to leave a like, comment, or subscribe for more videos like this!
Dennis Skinner's best quote in HoP, "Half of the Tories opposite are crooks" The speaker: "Please retract. Dennis: "OK, half the Tories opposite aren't crooks
Was going to post this. Genius.
Lol he left out the word of
😂😂😂
Lol so staged
Truly an MP missed so much. One of the most dedicated and best MPs to walk into Westminster.
"Dodgy" isn't a bad word in the UK. But it's too close to accusing someone of being a liar, and so not allowed in Parliament.
I would say "dodgy" is a bad word in the UK. It means dishonest or crooked. "A bit dodgy" is what we say if we do not want to make specific accusations of dishonesty. A dodgy person might be someone offering you goods which "fell off the back of a lorry". In WWII, there were dealers in the black market called "spivs" who were at the very least "a bit dodgy".
@@MrBulky992 _being_ dodgy is bad. What I meant is that the word itself isn't rude or offensive.
@@iapetusmccool At the end of the day most people know what lying cretins most of these people are. Using polite language to maintain their honour is like calling a pedo a child minder.
Is it the implication of dishonesty that is the root of it being objectionable and not that it is a direct insult? If he had referred to him as 'Smelly Dave' for example, they would have rolled with it?
@@charleshowie2074 the implication of dishonesty makes it objectionable. I don't know if other insults would also be objectionable.
Yes you cannot call an MP a liar. A former MP, Winston Churchill said that"The right honourable member is guilty of a gross inexactitude".
Which MP said to Churchill if she was married to him she would poison him , his reply was " and I would drink it "
Didn't Winston say : " a terminological inexactitude " ?
The right honourable = liar lol
@@evelbsstudio the man who saved us from the Nazis
@@dee2251 No, he rallied parliament so that it would be united. That's ALL he did. His peacetime premiership (1951-55) is regarded as one of the worst PM's of the 20th century.
One important rule of decency in parliament is never to call anyone a liar. There are tactful ways to make the same point.
The guy in the video , Dennis Skinner once said " half of Tories are liars " . He got told off by the Speaker and then he said " OK , half of the Tories are NOT liars ."
@@scooby1992 XD
Even though everyone knows that Boris Johnson is a liar & you can shout it from the rooftops w/o fear of slander/libel charges, you still can't repeat the universally-known fact in The House , it seems something of an anachronism
@1984 is now. I know Churchill said something wasn't a lie, it was a "terminalogical inexactitude"
"Honest Dave" would have been hilarious!
By calling him "dodgy" he is accusing him of lying, which is against parliamentary rules.
Ha ' what politician doesn't lie ! They are crooks every fkn one of them ..
FREE ASSANGE
and forms an Alliteration with Dave i.e David Cameron
All the Tories lie. Not as well as the Bodger, but all are professionals in that area.
@@zigowl1193 Why is the left always so keen to spread hatred?
Dodgy = Shifty, untrustworthy.
The MP asked to leave was Dennis Skinner who at the time I think was the longest serving MP , he was the MP for a town called Bolsover in Derbyshire were they speak their minds regardless who they are talking to . He always spoke up for the working person and never gave up until he won , he was known throughout parliament and the UK as the Beast of Bolsover
Bolsover is in Derbyshire
Sadly missed. All seem bland no characterless YES men.
@@TheTonypickle opps
The Beast of Bolsover was a very positive nickname. I could remember his first name, but had forgotten his surname, however 'Beast of Bolsover' came immediately. He was a fabulous, honourable and genuine politician and a man of conviction (and we have so few of those) and is sadly missed. He was an exemplar of old (Old) Labour when it actually stood up for the interests of the working class,
Dennis Skinner is a legend. czcams.com/video/bLxWrp-rEeg/video.html
"The House of Commons is like Congress with a 2 drink minimum" Robin Williams 😅😅😅
The "staff" he tried to remove is called the "mace" which represents the monarch's presence in the house, without which the house cannot sit in session at all
Yeah - no laws etc can be passed unless it's present.
If you can, look on the floor for two lines. These are a swords width apart. You should always stay behind the line - keeping the opposition parties “safe” from each other. This is where the phrase “crossing the line” or “overstepping the mark” comes from.
The two red lines in front of the benches don't mark out the central aisle, they are exactly two sword lengths apart and represent the closest members of the opposite sides can approach each other. This dates back to the time when a gentleman wore a sword and was supposed to stop arguing MPs from killing each other.
The golden object picked up is the “mace” which represents the Queen’s authority in the House and its ability to function and and make laws. It is brought into the House of Commons at the beginning of every sitting day and is removed when the House rises at the end of each day. Again a reflection of the monarch’s authority, running throughout British life however constrained.
The presence of the mace also filters down to city, district and town councils when in session.
In Canada our Governor General carries a ceremonial mace to show their connection to the Crown
The ceremonial mace has to be in place for the House to sit/debate, as evidenced when the Serjeant at Arms was sent to bring the guy with the Facebook papers to the house armed only with a bit of paper rather than a big golden bludgeon. It's a shame they've lost the ability to yell "respect my authority" to someone ignoring a summons, whilst whacking them into submission with a big stick.
It’s not as constrained as you might believe. Technically, the monarchy has far more powers than most think. This is why certain politicians would like to get rid of the monarchy. Thank-God we still have a monarchy that all armed forces swear an allegiance too and not politicians and Parliament. The monarch protects us from any corrupt government. A monarch could literally call in the armed forces to overthrow Parliament. No law can be passed through Parliament without Royal assent.
@@dee2251 correct. when u join the Bitish Military u swear allegiance to queen/king and country. The Queen or king is chief of the miltiary not the govt. the regimemtnal flags r given to the regiments by the king/queen and r known as the kings or queens colours and r defended to the death to stop the enemy trying to capture them. When we salute an officer its not the person we salute its the queens/kings ensignia on the uniform we salute. So if their not in uniform we dont salute them. if they have not got their uniform on corretly we dont salute them like if they have not got their hat on their improperly dressed so dont get saluted.
This is standard behaviour on a weekly basis in the House of Commons.
Dennis Skinner was certainly outspoken and always spoke as he saw things. To call the then Prime Minister "Dodgy Dave " is a real insult but humourous as well. He was getting close towards the end of his long career as an MP at that point and he retired in 2019. I believe he's still alive and now in his 90's. The Beast of Bolsover is no longer in Parliament and the oratory lights have dimmed without him 😭
The gold thing is called the Mace and represents both royal authority in the Chamber and without it neither House can meet or pass laws.
SO THE GUY GRABBED IT , BECAUSE HE DOENT WANT NO LAWS
When their being rude to one another in the house of commons, it actually helps sway the voting public to their side. Its the British sarcastic humour that we tend to do, all to well. It works as well. They also give us, as good as they get
yes americans have less freedom of speech that europeans
Really I've always found it childish and it make me not want to vote for them. 😅
In UK Parliament you are not allowed to swear, call someone a liar, technically you are supposed to speak in a civil way.
a loose relationship with the truth
a pattern of mendacity
terminological inexactitude
factual inaccuracies
@@grandmothergoose Remember "tired and emotional"? In other words, drunk.
@@grandmothergoose Forgot about that 😅😅😅
In the house you must show some amount of respect for the other MP's and especially the Speaker. Calling someone "dodgy" is like saying that he has used underhanded, or "dodgy" tactics. "Dave" in this instance referes to former Prime Minister David Cameron. In the house one must refer to each other as "the Honourable Gentleman/Lady." No one is fefered to by their names in the house. Not even the Speaker of Prime Minister are refered to by their first names. It is always "the Honorurable Prime Minister" or simply "the Prime Minister;" while the Speaker is refered to as simply "Mr Speaker." And so the Speaker did the only thing reasonable, he gave him a chance, TWO chances, and then sent him out of the house. Since the Speaker is in charge of both chairing debates and ensuring that any and all rules and portocol are followed within the house he was well in his right to remove him.
Also the mace that the sent out MP grabs is like the Queens symbol of authority within the House of Commons. It is the reminder that, legally at least, Parliament meets upon the Queens authority. Legally speaking the House of Commons can't meet without that mace in place. Basically him picked it up to try and stop the HoC from meeting. Truying to shut it down.
Whilst the rank and file of MPs are referred to as “the honourable“, the senior ones who have been appointed members of the Privy Council are called “the right honourable“. This will include the prime minister and all members of his Cabinet, the Leader of the Opposition, and also any back bench members who have received this distinction in their earlier political lives. In debate an MP on one’s own side is referred to as ‘my honorable or right honorable friend’ and if on the opposite side this becomes ‘the honorable of right honorable lady/gentleman’.
The one thing that is classed as “ over the line “ is flat out calling a member of parliament a liar “… mp’s have been ejected from there many times before 👍🏴
Most of them deserve it, too. Maybe there would be less lying if they were allowed to call each other liars!
The other one is accusing them of being drunk. There was a celebrated debate in the 1980s when Clare Short had to withdraw accusing Alan Clark of being "incapable". He later admitted that he had actually been drunk.
@@nendwr I read his diaries and yes I remember that well , he was a proper character that guy 👍🏴
which is even more silly when it's just an obvious fact that an mp did lie, and they still can't call them out on it
@@lizzyolsay someone is a liar is forbidden but lies are ok?
In USA you have speeches not debate, a skilled debater in parliament encourages questions from both sides and uses them. Often to expose the fallacies in that argument.
Facts and figures also have to be accurate.
Unless Diane Abbott is speaking.
@@Gambit771 👏👏👏😂😂😂😂😂
I wish the US House and Senate would debate and hold sessions more like this. It would make C-SPAN more interesting.
@@Gambit771 😂😂😂
@@Gambit771 the poor woman suffered a stroke and people like you treated her shockingly. She's a lovely lady and so bloody hard working .
Others have already explained The Mace but did you notice the two red lines on the floor in front of government side of the house and the opposition side? These lines are two sword lengths apart, thus making it impossible for an MP on one side to kill one on the other!
WHAT
"Half of the members opposites are crooks" - "You must withdraw that remark" - "I apologise - half the members opposite are not crooks", ^oo^
Bravo!
Best example of 'un-Parliamentrary Language was from the grey haired bloke who called the PM 'Dodgy Dave'
'Half the Tory Party (conservatives) are crooks'
Speaker: The honourable member will rephrase that comment
"OK, Half the Tory Party are not crooks'.
Love it! :-D
That still makes me laugh! What a character he was.
😂😂😂😂
He wasn't wrong, either!
@@evorock A mostly ineffective MP. A long time BREXITEER in a Remainer party who didn' t actively campaign for the Leave EU cause that he espoused. Amusing at times but essentially nothing more than an ill-mannered mouth almighty.
People get kicked out all the time. The problem with the word “dodgy” is that it implies he is lying. MPs can say all sorts of things but they can’t accuse each other of lying
That's because they all lie.
in the chamber it is definitely verboten, but outside of the chamber……..
CAN YOU SAY I DISAGREE OR THAT IS NOT TRUE?
A speaker is basically a chat mod. You'll also notice the mentality can sometimes be that of a chat room 🤣
😂😂
This is a perfect explanation love it 😂
When the House of Commons (common people) was rebuilt after the war, there were ideas to redesign the chamber with members sitting in a semicircle, as most other political chambers. But the idea was rejected. People thought it better to keep the opposing parties facing each other.
It’s all a gradual development of parliamentary democracy starting with the first in 1265.
I like that they are facing each other. Look each other in the eye's.
This is what I love about British politics. Everyone, from the Prime Minister on down, sits together on benches, and the opposition gets to call out the government leaders to their faces and demand an immediate answer. You will never see that kind of accountability in the US Congress. There, politicians give endless "Green Eggs and Ham" filibuster speeches or run from terrorists trying to take them hostage while His Excellency the President hangs out alone in the presidential mansion.
It's often said that "If you're not talking, you're fighting. We don't talk to each other in the US, so we kill each other instead.
The Speaker of the House of Commons is arguably the third most powerful position in the country (fourth, if you count the Monarch who takes a passive role in the affairs of State), since, as you rightly observed, he controls the debates. He decides which bills are going to be debated, which MPs are going to be heard and for how long. This is why he has to command a high level of moral authority and should be seen to be impartial ( not always the case, I'll grant). Jeffrey Archer's novel "First Among Equals" paints a compelling picture of the relationship between the Government, the Opposition and the Speaker.
This would be like our speaker of the house. They are actually 3rd in line to act as president if both the president and vice president are dead (or otherwise incapable of performing their roles).
@@blessedveteran Partially. In the US the Speaker of the House is overtly partisan and only represents his or her party. In the UK the Speaker of the House of Commons, although appointed from within their number, is expected to be impartial and not to involve himself or his office in partisan politics. Also, no political party will contest his seat in any election which further enhances his ability to be impartial.
@@grapeman63 I remember him talking about that in the prior video and had commented as to that fact. You are correct.
It is interesting to watch what goes on behind those walls but it can be extremely frustrating too, especially when we are paying them a shed load of money for what often appears to be to sit and prat about for hours on end!
They are not in each others faces, they are seperated by 2 arms and 2 swords length.
The poorer the Englishman, this class thing that only youre country engages in is bizzare….a bastardization of normaity.
@@donalmulvey8743 "your"
@@donalmulvey8743 normal is relative to the people engaged in it for instance here in Australia shoes are pretty much optional in the US or Asian countries it would be considered rude or gross. There are common things al humans agree are on such as murder but these a things that ensures the stability of society as a whole.
Dodgy Dave was running the country at the time 😂
The guy who was called "dodgy Dave" was David Cameron - prime minister 2010-2017.
The female prime minister was Theresa May - prime minister 2017-2019.
The current prime minister since 2019 is Boris Johnson, but he has agreed to resign and will be replaced later this year.
All of them pricks though
A trio of the worst Prime Minsters we, as a nation , have ever had.
Cameron resigned in 2016, the day after the brexit vote. He didn't stick around until 2017.
@@zigowl1193 and with Truss, we will reminisce about the days of Camron
@@zigowl1193 A trio of the worst Prime Ministers we, as a nation, have ever had - so far.
Bearing in mind Liz Truss is the likely next ex-Prime Minister, at least one of the previous three are probably to be removed from that grouping!
It was in that room that the decision to cross the water and settle in your country... America will have been discussed in that very room before it was called America
MP's can argue but fairly. Lots of words can not be used in parliament. MP's can be removed or suspended for a period of time. If their behaviour is really bad they are removed as an MP's.
Dodgy Dave was referring to ex prime minister David Cameron. The guy calling him that Dennis Skinner was known for breaking rules.
He wasn't wrong.
The reason why the speaker requests that they “withdraw” their remark is that there is a verbatim record of debate in the House of Commons called “Hansard”. If the word is withdrawn, it is officially struck off of Hansard so that it is not in the verbatim record of debate.
To call another “right honourable member of the house” a Liar, or to infer it, by calling them “Dodgy” is unparliamentary, and is basically not the done thing in the Houses of Parliament. As I understand it, it is officially an offence to deliberately mislead parliament, and an offender can be held in Contempt of Parliament. A fine is payable (last levied in 1666) and they should “voluntarily” resign from their position. So, In effect, for one member of parliament to call another “Right Honourable Member of Parliament” a liar or being deliberately dishonest (as a subjective opinion, without basis of fact or legal verdict) within debate while the house is in session, is to call them a criminal in the house without any due investigation.
I think I am right in saying If the MP backs down and agrees to retract any word it is removed from records, however if he refuses it stays on record. The Staff/Club was the Mace of Office in which Parliment is conducted, basically it represents the Monarchs Presence
I loved this Speaker he was very direct and to the point and also had a good sense of humour. I for one, miss him.
He was a terrible Speaker. He was totally biased - a remainer who did everything he could to thwart us leaving the eu. He did things that had never been done before in order to push his agenda, thus setting precedent without. He was supposed to be neutral. He was an absolute disgrace and I am glad he’s gone AND did not get promoted into the HoL.
There are time limits on speeches depending on how many members want to speak. Also in the the UK and ni parliament there is no filibustering.
It's certainly possible to filibuster in the House of Commons and the House of Lords, it has been done successfully many times. I remember Jacob Rees-Mogg's amusing if rather odd attempt to introduce an amendment to a daylight savings bill to create a time zone for Somerset 15 minutes behind Greenwich. He wasn't serious, of course, but it was a good example of filibustering to delay and time out the aforementioned bill.
Filibustering is very possible in the houses as each subject is only given a certain length of time for debate Jacob Reece Mogg is exceptionally well known for filibustering it’s very much looked down upon in the commons and people get called out for its but it’s very common in the House of Lords and people have babbled for hours on subjects unrelated to what they were supposed to be discussing
The funniest thing is watching you Tyler as you feel exactly as I did when seeing the parlement discussions for the first time. I was absolutely shocked, all these men jelling their insults to one another🤣🤣🤣
Most of the time it’s quite empty as most MPs are out working in Committees on various projects. But they do come together for big government statements and every Wednesday for PMs Question Time, where they can ask anything (questions submitted prior) and a subsequent related question (NOT submitted prior). Our PM is ‘held to account’ every week.
It's hilarious he's never heard of David Cameron. Being UK pm for years doesn't even get you heard of in America.
Sorry, but I know your Prime Ministers, what the Blitz was, etc. American here. I think he needs to go back to school or read a number of books!
@@dianehogan2471 I didn't mean to insult Americans. I was just surprised and disappointed that my country can go by so easily unnoticed.
This is normal in every British parliament and ex colonies British parliament lol, it's certainly not boring like US senate xD
2:44 You know, i'd actually like to see you react to Canadian MP's behaving badly during "House Q&A" too. But then, being honest, I wanna see you react to American debate floors haha. It's a real eye opener to see this stuff for the first time. I know you mentioned that American political underworkings like this are typically boring, but being honest it gets just as passionate and heated and crazy
Or Canadian MPPs
Wouldn't it be wonderful if the US President had to attend the House the Representatives and take questions ? The British (or Canadian, Australian, or New Zealand PM) is just another MP with his seat in the House of Commons. PMQ's (Prime Minister's Questions) is the question period where things often get raucous.
10:09 the beast of Bolsover Mr Dennis Skinner MP was a legend in parliament its not the first time he was kicked out and went head to head with many PMs in his time
There are rules that have to be obeyed.
Rule 1. No MP can call another MP or the PM a liar in the House of Commons.
Rule 2. The authority of the Speaker is not to be challenged nor ignored.
Rule 3. No sleeping in the House of Commons benches.
Rule 4. No MP or PM can use lies to mislead the House of Commons. As that break the truth and trust they have when they speak in public.
All good points, but just to add that on one occurrence Jacob Rees-Mogg (then Conservative Leader of the House of Commons) was stretched out, lolling along the seat and appearing to be asleep. This may simply have been his arrogant disdainful behaviour towards the issue involved, but it did cause him to receive some lambasting in the press (not that he could give a fig).
What number rule is 'No MP shall watch pornography on his mobile phone in the House of Commons'?
This is Prime Minister's question time which is held once a week and is really a pantomime, all the questions. Are prearranged. On other days there is hardly anyone in the house as often happens after PMQs when a majority of members leave.
Just a constructive bit of advice , I’m here to hear your views but please don’t feel that there is a clock checking that you have interrupted the vid every 15 seconds. Let’s hear a bit more of the video then give your views in general rather than your view on every sentence uttered. Please .
So glad I'm not the only one who said this in their comment! Jesus Christ he never shuts up! He can't be learning anything.,.. because all he wants to hear is his own voice.
My comment wasn't as composed as yours though. 🙄
I snapped and just vented good old fashioned British sarcasm...bluntly delivered!!!😂
@@tamielizabethallaway2413 it must’ve been in one of my quiet , reflective , easy going days as like yourself I’m quite capable of being the dour, pow-right in the kisser , a spade is a spade , direct talking Scotsman that I am 😆 I prefer sarcasm and being a right smart arse when the situation demands it but sometimes you just have to say …Ffs mate give it a rest would you !! 😂
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@@jaymacgee_A_Bawbag_Blethering oh I couldn't agree more! Sarcasm allows for honest venting without taking or intending offense. It's no good bottling it up and sometimes people just need to be told to "shut their pie hole FFS!" Besides real friends keep it real and keep you in check, so you know when you're being a twat! I'm English, but not posh...at all. I'm common...not Jeremy Kyle type of guest common, I've got some pride...and all my teeth 😂 But, I'm not high maintenance you know? Normal. My family talk and sound like Only Fools and Horses. My comment to him probably seems mean or harsh, but it's just trying to get the point across about his incessant chat! In my highly sarcastic, STFU kind of way. 😘
@@jaymacgee_A_Bawbag_Blethering hang on... Jay MacGee...? And you're Scottish you say? 🤔
Who'd have guessed with that name! 😂
@@tamielizabethallaway2413 aye.. it’s phonetically my initials .. hoots mon 😆 btw in the long and illustrious history of my kingdom not one Scotsman has ever uttered the phrase “ Hoots Mon”.. plenty of Russ Abbot - Jimmy McJimmie Tam o Shanter wearing twats have said it , but none of us 😆
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Like a number of Americans doing this type of commenting you are butting in before seeing what happens in total of the segment. Most times your question would be answered.
12:23 The House of Commons is not allowed to have any debates if that staff is not in its place at the despatch box. The man took the staff to stop the debate MPs were having which is why everyone was up in arms lmao.
"I don't know if MPs are known for behaving badly". So funny
Fun detail, in the UK is ILLEGAL to use tv footage of Parliament to make fun of the government. British Saturday Night Live could NOT have used any of this.
Yes but actually no
John Bercow, the Speaker in the first few clips, was certainly a colourful character. He was recently investigated for bullying staff during his 10 year tenure of the role and found guilty of 21 of 35 counts. Lindsay Hoyle, who was the Deputy Speaker in the Scottish debate, has now taken over from Bercow. Dawn Primarolo, who was seen at the end, was Deputy Speaker from 2010-2015.
There will never be another speaker quite like Burcow. Absolute legend.
Thank whatever god's you worship that, that odious, arrogant, bully will never again sit on the Speakers chair...
Remember that it is called Parliament . The right to parly french for speak . That is why there are two red lines each side of the house , which is exactly two swords apart , so members can only speak and not fight .
Notice the position of THE MACE . On the bench the house is sitting , below the bench the House is in conference
You remain very cute x
About the red stripes, indeed very handy stripes 😂 and interesting to know.
Now that I’m here, what is the difference between right honourable and honourable?
Dennis Skinner, the chap in the red tie who got chucked out, was calling the then prime minister, David Cameron, “dodgy” as he was insinuating that he was involved in some suspect financial practices.
Even though MPs and members of the House of Lords have Parliamentary privilege, which means whatever they say is not subject to any civil legal cases (libel, etc.), Mr. Skinner was ejected from the House for slating another member’s character and integrity, which sometimes is grounds for eviction depending on the context. Another recent occasion, Lisa Nandy, a Labour front bencher, suggested that the Conservative MP for the Isle of White stayed loyal to the current PM (for now), Boris Johnson, for extra money for his constituency.
Generally, people can shout whenever someone is speaking - within reason. It’s very much up to the Speaker. The rowdiest occasion is prime minister’s question time on Wednesdays. It’s a very combative debating style, traditionally nurtured from an earlier age by Cambridge and Oxford university debating societies. They are set out face to face in the same way as the Commons. The distance between each person speaking is the same as two swords.
Calling someone a liar is absolutely not allowed. To get around this, MPs often say an individual “unintentionally misled the House” or something along those lines. The member who removed the mace, in protest of the Government’s handling of Brexit debates if I remember rightly, was in the wrong because it represents the Queen’s authority. Therefore, if it is removed, any business carried out in the house is null and void.
If you’re interested in watching more, the general rule is the standard of debates and speeches worsens the closer to the present you are. The Commons was first broadcasted on TV in the 80s.
Interesting that 'shifty' and 'untrustworthy' are not considered insults worth caring about in the US.
It's more that it's an accusation. You can't make baseless accusations in the house
The item taken is a symbol of the crown in parliament - removing it effectively closes parliament because you cannot hold it without the royal sceptre in place (the monarch has been forbidden from sitting in the commons since the civil war, essentially out of fear that they may become tyrannical and arrest MPs if they hear criticism, and ever since the restoration the sceptre has represented them).
The Speaker in most of the clips (and who reacted to Dennis Skinner and Ian Blackford - leader of Scottish Nationalist Party in Commons) was John Bercow. More recently, he's been under investigations over allegations of bullying in Parliament and has been thought of by some as one of the most biased Speakers of recent times, though of course some reject those claims.
Dennis Skinner calling PM David Cameron "Dodgy Dave"😂😂😂😂 love Dennis❤
“This dude” was literally the prime minister 😂
You can call other MPs quite a lot but you can never accuse him or her of lying. MPs are obliged to tell the truth … oh, John Bercow. I thought we’d seen the last
of him. He’s a little sassy, well something like that. Someone was thrown out of the Commons a couple of weeks go. John Bercow hasn’t got a little ego. He’s got a whopping great ego.
NB no work happens here. That’s done elsewhere.
Yeah we know how productive is the American government without jokes and name calling 🤣🤣
I’m British, these vids r y I luv our politics 😂
fun fact :) the table in the middle, dividing the two sides .. its THREE sword lengths wide :) this is a very old attempt to reduce "bad behaviour" lol .. try to imagine, if you can, what this chamber was like during the english civil war .. and ofc everyone in parliament was wearing a sword :)
You’re one of the best Americans I’ve ever seen tbh very very good representative for the country
Cause he’s so dumb?
Lol... Exactly... Lol 😊😊😊😅😂
Keep these coming, please. As an Englishman, I'm very interested in how you see , or don't see, things happening in the UK.
I wonder what your day job is ?
You have to understand that the House of Commons is the Mother of Parliaments and the layout is deliberately confrontational (the gap is two sword lengths apart for very good reasons). It is perfectly acceptable to be argumentative and get emotional during debates
The language has to be 'in order' and that is decided by the Speaker. Of course the Speaker in the UK is entirely non partisan unlike in the House of Representatives. What cannot be inferred is any dishonesty or misleading the House. The inference of 'Dodgy' is that Cameron (the Prime Minister) was dishonest. Blackford called Theresa May a 'liar' which is totally unacceptable.
'Withdrawing' a word means the formal record (Hansard) will not contain it.
On PMs:
Johnson is still Prime Minister but resigned as Leader of his party. When a new leader is elected he will go to the Queen and resign as Prime Minister. Minutes later the new leader of their party will be invited to form a Government by the Queen.
Theresa May was Prime Minister from 2016 and resigned in 2019.
She was preceded by David Cameron who was PM from 2010 to to 2016.
Nice! Lets go! :D
Love it x The speaker at the time was fired. because he was an arse.
The speaker is usually someone who is accepted by all the parties and is expected to be fair and equal when giving time for mps to speak. John Bercow is an egoist and was a very controversial speaker.
Dodgy seems a pretty reasonable description of David Cameron. I'm not surprised Dennis Skinner was thrown out. He's always been a bit of a firebrand.
John Bercow is indeed a bit of a character.
The classic quote is as follows:
"Half this House are fools! "withdraw" I withdraw: half this House are not fools"
Parliament can't be conviened without the scepter it signifies the monarchy being there
The MP who referred to David Cameron as Dodgy Dave was Dennis Skinner who probably holds the record for being thrown out of the house.
He once is supposed to have said "Half the Tories (Conservatives) sitting opposite are crooks." When asked by the speaker to withdraw that remark he replied "OK, half the Tories sitting opposite aren't crooks."
Although I haven't been able to find footage of that exchange so I don't know if it's something he actually said or urban legend.
In British slang "Dodgy" implies that someone is corrupt or a liar. You can't call another MP a liar in the house. Even if they are lying through their teeth as Boris Johnson has frequently done during his time as PM.
A few things:
-The speaker in the vast majority of these clips is John Bercow.
- The man being labelled as ‘dodgy Dave’ was David Cameron, the Prime Minister from 2010 to 2016
- The man who was ejected for calling him that was Dennis Skinner
- The man who seems to appear in almost every clip is Ian Blackford, the parliamentary leader of the SNP, which believes in Scottish independence.
- The other Prime Minister was Boris Johnson’s predecessor, Theresa May (2016-2019). Johnson will not leave office until 6th September 2022.
- The man who debated intensely with members of the SNP in the penultimate clip was Sir Lindsay Hoyle, the then Deputy Speaker. These days he is the speaker.
A quite scandalous fact about The House of Commons is that, when sitting, no MP may call another MP a liar, which almost every single one of them is.
As regards the issue Dennis Skinner, MP ( the old chap with the grey hair, grey suit and red tie ) puts to the Prime Minister, it seems to me he is refering to a pay out the Prime Minister received ( according to Skinner ) which enabled the Prime Minister to write off ( pay off / settle / redeem ) a mortgage owed to a bank against his own private home / property, whilst allowing another debt, owed by the taxpayer, to remain unpaid.
I presume Skinner is insinuating that the taxpayer was left to pick up a bill which should have been left to the Prime Minister to settle, whilst leaving the taxpayer out of pocket and still owing `someone` some money in lieu of another property.
Yep, this happens all the time over here in our Parliament, as I`m sure it does in that of the United States. Heck - in other countries MP`s have been gunned down whilst speaking their minds in their resepective Parliaments.
Ps, "Dodgy Dave " is the Prime Minister at the time of filming. "Dodgy" itself having the connotation of `not being consistent with the truth` over here.
The object that fellow ( presumably an MP ) took up and carried away from The Speaker`s Table is called The Mace. It is a symbol of Royal Authority without which The House of Commons may pass no Laws. Essentially this chap was attempting, rightly or wrongly, to take away the power of Parliament to act.
Joanna Cherry was taking advantage of Sir Lindsey Hoyle during the Brexit debate. The SNP asked the then deputy speaker for a little time to make a statement before actually asking a question. She took longer than was agreed to do so (didn’t actually ask a question for the minister to answer) and was therefore “out of order” - the SNP make their whole political life out of being hard done by and the victims… that end part was all theatrics to make that point again.
Yes these are highlights. Baring in mind issues and bills are debated 5 days a week , 44 weeks a yes 8/9am till 6/7pm then some are boring with few debating others can command a full parliament. Prime minister's question time on Tuesday lunchtime is when the current PM answers questions for roughly an hour. It can get feisty
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During the sessions, everything that is said is written down & archived. If he doesn't withdraw the word, it must be recorded. If they withdraw it, it can be removed.
BTW calling someone dodgy or a liar without evidence is like there insulting their character. Which they take offence to.
Great reaction, loved the vid. More !! ➕
Some of the burns are banter - "I don't need help from a junior minister" was just defusing the situation, while "dodgy (=dishonest) Dave" was genuinely trying to be offensive.
This is democracy in action.
Too many interruptions very annoying
That's why the Speaker kept calling for order!
Dodgy is untrustworthy. Dodging the path to cream for your self
How you said "curtesy" in that sort of Scottish accent 😂 class stuff mate
Only the Brits have an entertaining parliament, my Columbian lodger happened to see it and thought it was some kind of comedy show......at least it used to be one of the most serious parliament in the world. If they insult with elegance they can get away with it, but vulgarity no.
Many debates in parliament take the form of members of the house asking the prime minister or the minister responsible for a government department questions. Members have told the speaker they wish to ask a question before the debate and the speaker calls on them and is supposed to call on members from all different parties. If you are a member of the governments party you are expected to ask questions that the minister wants to answer and if you are a member of the opposition party you want to ask questions that call the government to account, will embarass the government or will highlight your parties differences to the government. Some of the best moments are when members of the governments party chooses questions that the government do not want to answer because they are in dispute with their own government over the matter. When parliament is sitting there are prime ministers questions every Wednesday. This is different from the US system of government by press release. During the Covid emergency there would also be daily questions where the prime minister or a government minister along with the chief medical officer or a public health official would take questions from journalists.
Americans don’t get British sarcasm and humour there is nothing like a good verbal fight in the commons we look forward to it
Or anywhere in general! 😂 He should hear us talking to loved ones! 🤣 Me and my 89 year old Dad rip the piss out of each other constantly! He REALLY looks forward to coming round for the day because of needing a good rant and bicker! 😁
My father in law and I would start talking politics it would sometimes get heated especially when he called me sunshine I don’t why but I miss those times he was a good man
That red line you see in front of both sides of the benches is set at one sword and a half length between both sides,this is done because back in the day MPs could wear their sword into the house and often came to blows ??
6:18 yes it’s normal. If it is withdrawn then it’s considered to have not been said, and I think it won’t appear on Hansard (the parliamentary record) but don’t quote me on that.
You do more talking than reacting! You don’t have to describe everything we can see.
Glad to see someone else has noticed and stating it - just come across this guys channel by accident via his 2nd one of this but yeah same thing on this one talking over every single incremental bit and so pausing literally few seconds between each pause it is like listening to a flipping psychology assessment over these videos rather than a normal reaction. Like I said in other video react and speak that is what your there for but - every few seconds ? No! Perfect way to destroy the flow and just make you want to fast forward over him most of the time!!
Because he is learning as well whilst reacting that's why...
@@johnvisioneertv Yes but your missing the point - that is what all reactors are doing when reacting to something for first time learning whilst reacting...it is entirely possible to do that without pausing a video to death from every 2-3 seconds to point it is like watching something in old fashioned style slow motion. Yes react yes pause yes speak and make commentary but like with anything in life there is a sensible balance.
@@jeffreyweitzman6463I repeat! is a reaction mate...and everyone choose to do it to be unique in their own way... plus ➕️ he is giving credit to where he took the video from so you can go and watch full video from there source. Don't come for me, we all learning. I might be wrong.
@@johnvisioneertv l'm afraid you are wrong. Cause there are many reactors out there who do not pause every few seconds. Sure way for people to just not bother with his channel in the end!
The 'staff' is the mace. It represents the authority of the crown under which parliament sits. Debates can only take place in the HoC if the Mace is presant. When the HoC in in a committie of the whole house it sits in brackets under the table
Love watching your videos.
Dennis walked out with his head held high as he believes what he says is true and most of the electorate hated dodgy dave.
And then he lost to Mark Fletcher. 🙂
I’ve never known a video to be paused with so much speaking in between in all my life I’m gonna turn it off now
John Bercow is a bit of a legend. The reason MPs have to retract certain words is because there is an official record, which is called Hansard. The rules are known as Erskine May. The speaker is the chair of the meeting and everything is addressed to the speaker, rather than the other members directly, so it's the speaker, the house, its rules and conventions which must be respected. It might be too much to ask the members to respect each other? So in a way, it's the speaker's job to defend democracy. Normally there are about 10 MPs looking bored, these are exceptional moments. The rules and conventions are a rabbit hole of history, for example members may not speak from between those red lines in front of the benches, which are supposedly two sword-lengths (and one inch) apart. This is presumably to prevent physical violence breaking out.
It may be commented elsewhere but "Dodgy Dave" was the then serving Prime Minister, David Cameron.
This was probably during Prime Ministers Questions which is the most unruly part of the week. The normal debate is much more civilised.
As a British person, I can say that watching mps live is like an adult comedy show. I don't think anyone in Britain can possibly take them seriously 😂😂
Also, no, this kind of behaviour isn't actually allowed in the Houses of Parliament, but since no one can really take them seriously, it's usually overlooked as rich people arguing among themselves and letting their characters drop
My GOD! …can THIS CZcamsr TALK! 🤯
Every few seconds he enters into what seems like a 10 min oration!!!
Yes in Parliament if someone says something rude/unkind/uncouth then they are asked to withdraw their comment.
Tyler, this Speaker, John Bercow, actually lives one street away from me. 'Infamous' is one word to describe him, but having known him for thirty years, he's partisan and annoying. I'm glad he's no longer the Speaker.