Homeowner Forms 44' X 28' Concrete Slab - Perfection!
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- čas přidán 26. 06. 2022
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The homeowner, Jim Weymouth, formed up this concrete slab and did a great job. The forms were square, straight, staked in place, and set to grade with perfection.
It's rare a homeowner can form a concrete slab this good. We form most the slabs we pour, but occasionally the owner will get the slab ready and we'll just come to pour and finish the concrete.
When Jim forms up a slab, we know from past experience, the slab will be ready to go with nothing for us to adjust or change.
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I appreciate that you treat the guy running the truck with respect. Please and thank you to him after each request. Professional man, great videos!
Having been a contractor and also worked for several. I learned never ever underestimate a client. You never know who is calling. My brother did a remodel for one of the biggest home builders in Missouri. Guy didn't have enough crew to pull off of paying jobs so he hired my brother. They ended up doing some projects together after. Be kind and don't be judgmental and you might get a treat.
Usually when the homeowner says they’ll help, it’s cringe time! This was impressive. Kudos to the customer ! and to you guys 👌😀
Thanks 👍
@@MikeDayConcrete homeowner wants to help == cringe?
A Formen somewhere: "wish we had more people wanting to learn the trade"
A young man looking for skills: "F looking for a skill, it's 'cringe' to be dumb and useless at a job site"
/\ kids now a days feel insignificant growing up without proper fathers or completely fatherless.
And I've notice young men in the trade who do make it into a job site have no pride in their work and half a$$ it.
@@LightS_bRight ive been a taper for nearly ten years, currently 25 basically fatherless, and i can say i take pride in my work and confidently say im good at it. i ate shit as everyone does but i learned, got good, invested in tools. Not all youngins are shitheads. I take pride and do a good job, im not perfect but im years ahead mist people my age cause i commited to the trades young
I did my own form, rebar and wire, on my 30' by 50' form and calculated the yards to a t, but added a yard just encase. My concrete guy was surprised at how nearly perfect it was and level. He said I over did it but I made his job easier. But I always say if I'm gonna do something I'm gonna do it right, if not over do it. Love y'all videos though! Can learn a lot from them!
Make a video the
What you want a cookie? That's easy money.
Over doing it is better than doing it over.
@@ChiTownGuerrilla sure if you got one..lol Unfortunately I didn't pay myself for the week I spent shoveling 80 tons of packed gravel, and for building the form on my own. I'd say that would have been a pretty good paycheck though!... 😂
@@OnlyMyOpinionMatters I have picture but no video of me doing it though.
🫡 to the homeowner & great job to the crew! 🤩
Yes indeed!
that dude did a fantastic job. nice work good to see it.
Looks like a professional form job.
Great pour! My first experience was watching the pros pour for our basement slab and it’s an art in my opinion. Love it! -Amy
That is awesome!
Always nice to the drivers. As a driver. Thank you!
Always!
Thanks for that blob of concrete when I go to do the irrigation 👍
Hi Mike greetings from up over yonder in Halifax. This new format has all the action. What is especially fantastic is the sound. Location sound is the hardest thing to capture well. Kudos
The homeowner rocked the hell out of that form. Damn.
Love the details on this slab. I think I see some screws in the perimeter insulation to help keep it attached to the concrete after it cures.
Man that’s hard work. 😳💪💪💪
It is a bummer that haleys does not have enough drivers. Dave does a good job as a driver Scott and max are both doing a great job as new drivers.
Most people these days don't know what Hard Work is! Good Job! I Subd.
I've been watching 10 of your videos, i was SO ready to pour my small slab yesterday and today, but it's over 32degree out here (90 faranheit?) I'll stick around and learn new stuff while im waiting the better weather
Very nice job on behalf of the homeowner. When you guys pour. It Will look like a million dollars. Oh by the way I own a 1970 Camaro. Basically owned it my entire life. I'm 60 lol. Great videos
Very cool!
Great job by the home owner, looks like he did a better job than a lot of "professional" contractors.
Especially if he did all the pipework also.
We agree!
great stuff.
Thanks!
Like that chute extension.
Poured thousands of truck loads and never thought of that. Damn I'm dumb🤣
I laughed when the one helper said "Well, you do a good job" when talking about setting forms. I tell people at my work you know there are other people that do my job here, and their answer is "Well, if you didn't do such great work. You wouldn't have this problem"
There is something oddly satisfying about watching your videos. Mainly how you guys react to different situations on the fly and correct them. Now I see why you want the correct amount of water reducer, difficult to work with.
Thanks Jaime!
This!
Love the hat-cam, Mike
Boys looking good in this one today.
Thank you!
Nice pour! What keeps the insulation on the sides after the wood forms are removed? What's the finishing cover?
I showed up to build a shop for a guy who had done his own forms and poured his own slab; it was 10 inches out of square.
Nice chute attachment
Thanks
damn thats beautiful
I was wondering if you had a specific video showing how to install the forms for a set of slabs which are stepped (3 levels)and up against a structure on one side??
Good job, but I feel that the wire mesh was left a little low.
I like the head camera perspective
Thank you
I had a ‘69 Nova in high school. Damn I miss that car.
Im surprised a slab on grade with no turned down edge is even allowed. The scouring alone... Agreed, super nice form work and as always phenomenal on the placement.
I was guessing it must be more temperate here, or built on bedrock or something...
As a fellow Mainer, I enjoy listening to people who talk with no accent, HA HA. I know I've worked on a job with you at some point, I'm just too old to remember when and where.
I'm completely unknowledgeable about this but if this is in NH don't you need footings down past the frost line? What's the base underneath this form? Does the styrofoam stop expansion?
Radiant flooring for a 7" slab? That's a lot of concrete above the tubs that need to be warmed up. You want the heating tubes to be as close to the surface as possible, inches if possible.
nice, cheap, easy rectangle shapes still make nice, good, valuable houses.
They absolutely do. I've never understood the trend to have needlessly complicated outlines.
Another fine job! Someday Tia will be running her own crew and Mike can stay out of the mud and just quote jobs!
Tia just started her job at Bates College.
Hey Mike. We work w auburn concrete up at main medical and I ask about they talk about you all the time. Your a great man. I like the videos, your old school. I was brought up the same way 25 yrs ago. I’d like to hook up w you on a placement if possible in the future. Let me know I’m in Portland 2-3 days a week.
BTW Craiger SS mags! 70s on the front 60s on the back! 1st car 69 mustang Fastback Mach1 Those were the days!
Anyone know what those small square forms were for near the plumbing? With no concrete? There wasn't a drain in them.
Could you include the finishing in these videos?
Look at the slump on that crete
Did you charge by the square foot or yard to pour and finish?
It appears to be a mono slab with no perimeter foundation, stem wall?
Im assuming this is in a cold climate area?
I worked in an auto manufacturing factory for 30 years. By the time I was 40 years old, I had back and shoulder surgery from that work. Still, I am damn sure happy I did not have a career in concrete
Is there a certain amount of water reducer that you add? Is it so much per yard?
Hey Mike
I am an 80-year-old retired contractor now living in Florida and enjoy watching your videos.
Just wondering how come this slab did not require a footing below the frost line?
When I was building in New York we had to trench down about 42" below the frost line for a footing then lay block up to slab height with an 8" block. The top course was an 8 in. x 8 in. x 16 in. Header Block to support the slab.
This is a hell of a lot easier.
Great Job!
Ken M
I'm putting up a 20x25 metal garage in the next few weeks. Monolithic is the way I have to go. The rocky mountains suck to try to dig in. It's like half inch of top soil and the. You're into rock. I've never done anything like this....forms, leveling, gravel bass, etc. And it's all by hand unless the guy down the street comes and trenches for me.
Yes, doesn’t make sense to me to build a structure that large without a foundation. How will the foam not compress under the weight of the walls and roof load?
Whats this for?
I'm thinking a small home based on the underfloor heating and other piping.
Great work as always! It's been a while since you've provided any sort of pricing. When a customer has the forms ready like this, what does this cost for this size slab? in your area.
Because supply costs change every 3-5 days
Good thing the wire mesh is in there holding down the foam insulation because if it wasn't the slab would float away in a flood.
Was the rebar/mesh laying completely flat on the ground? Was it propped up at all?
I just stumbled upon this channel from victory and I was like huh...these guys look like mainers.... *time passes* huh... these guys sound like mainers... *sees maine license plate* ah yep all makes sense... takes one to know one.
Love those Mainah accents!
When your directing with hand signals a clenched fist always means stop!
Hey Mike, why did you choose to kickscreed and not run that Demon?
It looks like the mesh reinforcing is sitting on the insulation. It should be raised on plastic risers. Shaking the mesh don't do squat when a labourer is standing less that one metre away pushing it down. Cleaning the chute is easier if you make plywood half-moon pushers and leaves less residue on the owner's lawn when the driver does his site-clean rinse.
also about how long does it take for all that crete to cure?
If you guys have company hats you should give the homeowner one
Hey Mike, what slump do you order before adding the water reducer?
They add it right at the batch plant. 3 oz per 100lbs of cement so around 15 oz per yard.
Shouldn't the radiant heat be higher in the slab?
Preparationjob like that is a big no no here in scandinavia. And why are you not vibrating the concrete when pouring?
No chairs holding up the reo?
Does the concrete reinforcing mesh do much when its flat on the bottom? I thought rebar, etc was supposed to be in the middle of the pad height wise.
tensile forces are on the bottom, like an I beam, the very middle has the least amount of bending stresses Z(neutral axis) , the top has compressive stresses )in bending. The steel is for resisting the tensile forces that concrete can't do well.
Yep it needs to be at least imbedded in the crete. Laying on the bottom against styrofoam don’t do much good. I saw him pulling it up a few times during the second truck . Fibermesh is a good alternative when code allows.
@@unionse7en I guess our engineers got it wrong. They always want it pulled up to the center of the slab.
Should be in the bottom 3rd of the slab
Hope you used fiber mesh the wire mesh was nice
To attach the piping to, no strength to the concrete
What were the bags that were dumped into the truck when it arrived at site?
Fiber
hey mike.... its obvious you guy always do a nice job. im forming a mono slab and plan to use 2 inch foam. only difference is face of my wall will be about 2 feet high not 10 inches as in your vid. i want to hang the foam inside the form before i pour. how can i keep the foam attached to the concrete after i strip it. same issue as this one you just poured. im thinking when the concrete dries it would separate and become loose.....not good?
When we do this, we screw in a lot of drywall screws on the inside of the foam, sticking out into the concrete. 2" drywall screws screwed into the foam about an inch. That holds the foam when we remove the forms.
@@MikeDayConcrete thanks mike for the quick reply....."you the man"
What is a fair price to pour concrete on a pre-made form like this?
I knew that accent haha, New Hamsha hea
Is yous guys up near basten?
Hey Mike. So what do you charge for just doing the concrete work. Do you charge by the hour, the job, etc
We charge by the sq ft.
What are the block outs formed up in the slab for?
Toilet or shower drains.
Just out of curiosity, if you're pouring a small slab and don't have enough concrete on hand to make it deep enough, can you wait til the next day and pour a second layer or do you have to wait til the first layer cures?
its hard to get thin layers of concrete to adheare and act right . so most folks would move a form to make smaller or add a form square to a corner and pour the total at the right level , and then later fill in the empty square ... or if no one looking throw rocks and cinder block chunks , bricks and such ...
@@dollyhadbraces9361 what about concrete resurfacing?
Is the rebar mesh usually at the bottom? I know it's a massive ball ache to get it in the middle of the slab.
if you look closely, as they pour the concrete over it, he's pulling it up into the concrete mix with his come-along.
@@Kluberus yeah , and then they stomp it back down again when they screed it.
How much did the homeowner save by doing this himself? I don’t mean in the heating floor let’s just say a basic slab. I’ve just got a simple pole barn that’s already gravel floor ready for concrete.
No kickers and pretty soupy concrete but not bad.
How much water reducer do you use per a yard? I wanna see if I can talk my boss into this stuff especially for the garage and basements we pour.
It's 15 oz per yard. They measure it by cement content really. 3 oz per 100 lbs of cement in each yard. There's about 500 lbs of cement in a yard depending on what mix you're using.
@@MikeDayConcrete thanks appreciate that.
Why no bracing to keep the sides from bowing out?
He staked it so good it didn't need bracing.
i recall a county commissioner signing off a a pour even larger for a new county garage ... it was dead flat . cost $20,000 + to lay a thin sloped surface so it could drain yes that new surface is cracked and broken all to hell . due diligence is not in that commissioners vocabulary ; he was a cop and sheriff and almost sold the county farm dirt cheap
That is very wet concrete, did you do a slump test?
Yes
Majority of time, customer help means the pricing should be higher!!
The wire mesh is really working hard there on the bottom. Otherwise looks very good.
What’s the cost for this slabs
Did he get a discount?
👍
At the beginning he said they were new drivers
I haven't had to use a rear dumper in 25 yrs. That shit wld drive me insane.
What does slump rate mean? I've seen a lot of concrete videos from other channels, but no one has answered my question on this. I know the reason for water content, etc as they've answered those, but not a single person has answered what slump rate is for or even what it is. Anything would be much appreciated. Obviously I can google, but I want to know from people who do it cause sometimes even google is wrong.
My knowledge of slump test goes back nearly 40 years so dont hold me to it.
The runnier the concrete the weaker it is so on arrival to building sites a bucket full would be taken then turned upside down on a board, when the bucket was lifted the height of the concrete was measured, if it slumped in height below a certain height that batch could be rejected as too runny, also on the board was a drawn circle, if I remember correctly, if the slumped concrete goes out of the circle when the bucket is lifted its a fail, hope that gives dome clarity, search concrete slump test on youtube.
I do not understand styrofoam around the edges. What prevents it from pulling away from the concrete or being ripped apart by something like a weed eater?
The foam around the edges prevents the heat from being lost out the sides of the slab (where most of your heat loss occurs). Have you tried to pull foam off of concrete before? It doesn't come off. The exposed area is usually covered with a stucco or EIFS and/or simply landscaped around.
@@jdcompman now I understand. Thank you.
Great answer. Plus he had screws stuck in the styro on the inside to help hold the foam in place when he removes the forms.
why put mesh in the concrete if your not going to lift it up and also get the radiant into the middle of concrete
why use wwf if it sits on the bottom of the slab.
Did you charge less for the job or still cost the same regardless? Only asking cause I want to do my own prep too.
We charge less if it's all formed like this.
@@MikeDayConcrete thanks Mike
Are you in Mass? I have an uncle out there who builds malls and a bunch of stuff.
that steel is really helping on the bottom of the concrete 😂
No footing???
Do the delivery drivers know what they're doing?
We've got some that are new this year.
What good is that steel doing if it's just laying on the ground?
They pull it up when the concrete is poured. using the concrete castles is a pain in the arse.
I wouldn't pour without having chairs under the rebar!
@@Dan-nh8nu I've generally seen guys pulling it up with rebar hooks as they go. He only tugs at it a couple times.
DIY guy here. i'm getting ready to build a garage. Is the insulation foam board and wire mesh necessary or can you just concrete over compacted gravel?
All depends on local building code. They will almost always require wire mesh in the floor. Personally I would use fiberglass rebars.
@@devinrudloff Thank you.
This slab is in a Maine, and for a house. The foam board is an insulator for this slab, but you may not need/want it depending on your climate, and whether your heating your garage or not.
Yes, local codes will tell you if you need it or not. For an uninsulated garage, if you have a good gravel base, foam isn't necessary but I'd use fibermesh, wire, or rebar for sure.
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