If he is then good for them lol he’s paying them too much.. best guy should get $25 and the rest of the crew should get $18-20 depending on how much experience and skill they have
@@alfiestuart7631maybe in the 60s lol you are either a bonehead or dishonest. I'll run with bonehead. An individual can achieve the outcome for much cheaper yes, but that is not at all what happen here is it? No. The lack of skill, time or laziness costs money. The contractor if small can do it for a less if he self performed the work, yes, but is that what happened here? No it is not. The contractor also hired out the actual labor which does what bonehead? You guessed it, costs MONEY. Here bonehead, lets say you can do it for 2k, say you did the job, got more work, had to hire help, got more n more work, can't work in the field anymore, have to hire more help, do you think you can still do it for 2k? But it is exactly how one can start. So take you 2k bid and sell it.
That’s what I tell everyone, “I won’t be the cheapest” but for some reason we are still backed up on jobs for 2 years. Maybe the cheap guy is cheap for a reason lol
It’s always funny to me when I hear someone say a contractor is “robbing” the customer. This dude is organizing all of those moving parts, buying reliable material, managing people and giving the client exactly what they want and people get mad he’s making more money than an hourly paid employee because he makes the prices. Also, those people approve the quote that he sends them. He doesn’t put a gun to their head lol.
I had the same here, I needed to pave an 15 meters long alley. And the guy said it it will take like 3-4 days to do it . I did it myself in exactly 3 hours :))) People, if you are fit, do it yourselves or at least try to see how easy some jobs are and how much money you can save :)
@420Manhwa when did he force them to sign his quote? Regardless of price they were comfortable with him and he got job done. No way you should be focusing on another man's pockets 😂😂😂
Ok but some ppl don’t have time that’s why they pay others. You cannot also compare your crappy DIY slab pouring skills to the pros, so of course is cheaper 😂
@@alfonso704 just say you can't do nothing like a women that's why you need a real man.lmao.. the fact you think someone has to be a professional concrete guy to have decent results just show how ignorant you are.
@@alfonso704 doing a slab yourself isnt any weaker. will just look less good. but reality its really easy. no one wants to do it. thats why they charge so much. id know iv done this for a living.
EXACTLY what I was thinking… with every job. They are re-paying you for brand new equipment? this is why I ask “you have your own equipment ,right?” when I am getting bid for a job as some people think this is now acceptable behavior.
@@arelfarrington9943but his rent is none of the customers concern. Rent is not included in overhead. What’s next, he’s going to start charging for meals when he’s there?
@loganahanbona the defending of overhead is the cost of doing business. That includes rent if he is renting a shop or office space, it also includes portions of home rent if you run your business from home, it includes electricity, insurance, gas, internet , and various other items. So the $2000 more than likely includes a percentage of all of those things and yes the cost is included in the price a customer pays. Just like retailers markup goods they sell and we don't give a second thought. Some businesses have higher overhead costs than others and so their prices may be higher. It depends on location, economy, scope of work, and many other factors.
I got 3x the same amount of work you just did for 6k last year. I'm in Cali just for reference. Salute to you sir for finding suckers to pay for this. People really need to shop around.
Yeah that’s crazy even like here in Cali six or 7 ft.² max for stamp that’s like a 20 x 20 he’s at like $18 a square foot that’s insane especially for mediocre work
Nobody said you couldn’t do it yourself. There’s videos on CZcams teaching you how to do anything. Just means it won’t turn out as good as you hoped. You pay for knowledge and time kiddo. If you want to spend 20+ years and buy a concrete buggy for $8-25k to move the concrete, pay 500$ for tools and forms, $3k on the concrete itself and spend days on just this one job then sure by all means nobody said you couldn’t. I can’t tell you that’s a smart decision, but by all means bud.
Doing it for yourself or a side job isn’t the same as running a business, owning equipment and vehicles and having to pay salaries and benefits. Electricians $100 /hr , HVAC $120/hr ., etc. If you don’t make at least 20% , you’re treading water…
charging for the use of your tools is common practice, charging for them separate from the overhead and so much is ridiculous. But the point you brought up isn't. it's normal. You'd have to rent all those tools for just about what normal people charge to get it done and have to put in all the man hours yourself. You'd be foolish not to charge for the use of your specialized tools. However, this guy is a fucking thief.
@@arelfarrington9943he makes enough to replace all equipment in like 4 contracts. But those things will go bad after a MUCH LONGER time like 50+ contracts so how îs that not bullshit
As a contractor, I made spreadsheets for every piece of equipment I owned. It broke down the cost per job based on the expected life of the tool/equipment. I would charge that, plus 10%. Always had low prices and kept my equipment in new or like new order. Example: a floor machine will be used a total of an estimated 120 times over it's 10 year life. It costed me 12,000. That means for each use, it costs me about $100. So I charge $110 for the equipment fee, $100, plus a 10% profit for me. Not like some guys who charge you the FULL cost of tools and shit every single time 😂
Is $180 a day a lot to you? Do you live in like, North Korea or something? That's $22.50 per hour. So like, the wages a supervisor at a McDonald's or a coffee shop in a smaller town that doesn't get a lot of business, before tips.
@@jackfiercetree5205 Look at the area they are doing, it's not large. A couple of guys could prepare the site in a day. Then pouring the concrete, 4 guys to help place and level it is nice but only required for an hour. After that, 1 person can float it off...maybe they need to stay all day to refloat it a few times to get a really nice finish, but it's not a 4 man job.
@Pete856 like I said, 2 dedicated finishers. You need at least two dudes to manipulate those mats properly, they'd be wise to have a dummy to yell at for extraneous details. Most of the placers I know Can carpent, but they don't... Hucking road base, placing bar, level strips in forms, the actual pour, timing the strip, then timing the whole rest of the troweling, stamping and sealing... if it were my job forms would be in place day 1 (even if it only took a couple hours), the next day, first thing would be pour, and then you have all day to avert any potential disaster. If things go great, great, beer o'clock comes early.
I’ve been doing prefab concrete for 7 months now and doing everything from rebar cutting to tying placing on beds strongbacks ,finishing and even lifting 8 ton panels off with gantry and can’t believe how easy it is for anyone to do it and would recommend getting base knowledge of it and diy your own renovations cuz 7k for that little area is absolutely ridiculous.
I just quoted a guy 6700 for a patio and long sidewalk. He said naw somebody doing it for 1200. Thats less than the minimum load cost of concrete. People must work for free. Theyre definitively not insured.
@@MrChristopherg25 Average is about $120 a yard, that's a little over eight yards, one truckload. Pouring and finishing can be done by two guys in two hours, plus setting up forms, cleaning, travel time, that works out to at least $50/hr for both. Pretty good money.
A good way to save a lot of money is to buy the supplies yourself. A lot of contractors purposely over buy supplies and then use the remaining on other jobs. Or make sure you get a rundown of everything.
What good does a cost break down have if most people have no idea how much anything costs. Your average homeowner doesn't know the cost of a yard of concrete, gravel, rebar, etc.
Ummm…you don’t have an account at Cemex. Also…if YOUR concrete truck shows up late, or off, or any issues at all…you gonna pay the $300 or more per hour wait time until you can get another truck there? You got insurance? You got a pump?
He’s right in line with man hours. Remember: man hours is an hour regarded in terms of the amount of work that can be done by one person within this period. Not how much you pay per hour…
I hope he is giving the equipment, stamping supplies, forms, and leftover sealer to the customer since they bought them based on your pricing model. Otherwise if he kept the equipment that belongs to them, it should be considered theft.
Way over priced. It's always good to compare prices. I usually get an estimate from 3 different contractors. I always google the contractors, i then pick the top 3 with best reviews, and I then get an estimate from them. That's how u know I am getting the best quality work, for a fair price.
😂 i deliver concrete and some contractors i deliver for have mostly 5 stars and their work well i can say aint worth the 5 stars to me unless that what the home owner payed and agreed on
@@John...44... Actually vehicles are generally not considered part of overhead. Overhead is accounting, secretarial, management, insurance, bonding, an office space.
Anything under 500sq ft for stamped I charge 20-40 a sq ft. Constantly have those small jobs lined up for that price range. When you do high quality stamped work people will pay. I've seen a lot of disasters.
Here in India 7000 dollar is about 5.8 lakhs rs . Here for a day of work an expert would take maximum 1,700 rs . And it would take 2 people for that work . Excluding material for work it would me about not more than 4 k
“One Million Pound Patio” “£200 in materials, £300 labour, £8,000 for the wife’s new ring, £4,000 for the fairy dust, and £987,500 to our pal for making the brews, the fuckin’ legend” “And that’s how I built a one million pound patio!”
We just did a 20" by 40" patio, 1,378 brick's, (30) bags of cement and (1) wheel barrel and (6) 4×4 ply wood, totaling $2,400. We was finished in 2 day's, because it started raining the day we started.
Then he pays 15% self employment tax. Then he pays federal state tax. He pays for the gas to look at the job and come back to the job. He pays for insurance He pays for all the tools needed and upkeep and replacement He pays for his truck, tires, maintenance How much do you think he truly makes numb nuts
Is actually shocking how many people in the comments think all concrete works like $20/ hour 😂. A laborer in the Midwest makes $32ish and finishers make $42-55.
That's INSANE! That is a very very small square footage of space. Our patio, driveway and entire front walkway and porch were $2,000 less than that! What the gosh dang hell?
You only earn about 20-25 at most thirty, and no it’s not talking about the workplace insurance for when you’re on the job, just your average Joe Shmoe insurance, where it is like 800$ most for any non life threatening injury before the deductible that you still have to pay lol, also the on the job insurance is workman’s compensation and therefore required by law to be paid out by the employer, and not any financial responsibility of the employee
This is nowhere near a $7000 job. Lets take this logic one step further. I go to the grocery store to buy milk. Plastic jug $1, refrigeration cost $2.75, Milk cost $3, transportation cost $12.50, storage fee $2.50, forklift and stocking cost $5.35, processing fee $2.90. Total price of $27. Total cost of $1.55. Profit of $25.45. This is why tradesmen are wealthy and they have a reputation of being degenerate scammers.
@impossabear4096 i mean just because your felon, meth head buddies labor for 22 an hr doesn't mean they are tradesmen. We start laborers at 20 an hr, 0 experience. All of our actual masons make between 40-50 an hr base pay.
He didn't include his fuel, insurance, taxes, hours into planning and consulting...it amazes me how many people really don't understand how expensive it is to own a business.
totally understandable. u have no idea of the expenses of a business. they are not paying for the workers, this is his Job. The customer is paying for a perfect pateo
Because running $20,000+ in equipment requires maintaince and a contingency fund in the event of breakdowns/loss/theft. $500 including new purchases, single use purchases, and a contribution to the contingency is relevantly reasonable.
@@deltahotelxray Very perfectly said - and fully agreed. It is definitely not the customers problem, hence why when my truck got hit, I didn't bill the customer, I pulled it out of my contingency fund. As we have abolished slavery and we now all enter into transactions voluntarily, the onus is on me as a business owner to price in the building of such contingency funds when setting my pricing in a voluntary transaction. Which is exactly what this guy has done. I work for a living and would never disrespect myself by having an a**hole like you say it isn't your problem. I price appropriately to make sure I never have to stick my hand out.
You buy 250 dollar equipment, charge 500 for it, then “steal” it so you can sell it again for the job you planned the day after. Once the tools are broken you’ve sold them 100 times and made 50.000 of maintenance costs on 250 dollar stuff.
ikr this looks like a morning job not even 5 hours long i did 20 times that size in 2 days with 2 people and the only cost we had was 500€ for materials
@@dragnarok4286so not counting anything but cement he said he spent $700. Even if he upcharged material 20% thats still just about $500. So for a job 20x bigger than his you did it for 500 total. Tell me youre full of it without twlling me youre full of it.
@@dragnarok4286 what country do you live in that you can get material for forms, stamps, rebar, cement and pay 2 people to lay down a truck of cement for 1/20th the price of the cement alone on a small patio?
@OddlySatisfying74 pay people? You call friends over the only thing you pay for is rebar,cement,sand and beer. Every house owns a shovel, a bucket, and a cement mixer.
The one thing i learned from all the comments on your videos is. You should charge the same as someone doing it themselves. Apparently 1 person can do these jobs in a few hours without any equipment. You arent allowed to charge for forms, tools, fuel. Also people are finding uninsured contractors to do it for 1/4 of the price. You cant charge enough to eventually retire. You should be working 80 hours a week till your 70. Its sad to see that many people think contractors arent valuable. Oh yeah and minimum fees arent allowed. You should charge the same per square foot on a 100 sq ft slab as a 10,000 square foot slab. And we pay approximately $95 an hour for our guys who are subs and self insured.
Keep in mind a majority of these losers are comparing pricing calculating the value of their own time as employees in white collar jobs. They disregard the significant capital and labour investments needed to make an operation like this work, and the knowledge needed to do it right. These are the same people who'd scream if they stood on their knees, but take you busting your ass as a sign that your worth is no more than $20 an hour.
Good concrete men get 60k a year. Great concrete men are 75k a year. My father became a foreman performing waste water installation, curbs, manhole boxes, concrete pipe installation and retaining walls for KIP incorporated in Southern California. He could afford a home by himself before 2004. His take home was about 85k because of the OT. I dont know what he does now but I was inspired enough to jump into HVAC. I make that much with less time in the field and stay local for many jobs.
I doubt your paying 42 an hour for the concrete workers but who knows... At 42, they are basically some of the highest paid concrete workers in the country.
If this is all legit, you can add $500 back to your net income because very few tradesmen out there will put a line item - “Equipment=$500”. You’ve been using that equipment for years (if you take care of them) which has paid itself off 75 jobs ago. Also, as a customer - seeing big ol round numbers tells me you’re generously rounding up to “ conveniently” itemize the liabilities. Looks like you did a good job - you just did it for a lot more than the average concrete tradesman.
Those of you saying “hes not paying his guys 42 an hour…” Yeah, your right. Its called overhead. A $20 an hour guy costs you anywhere from $30-35 an hour. With this math we can assume his guys are getting paid anywhere from $25-30 an hour, which is realistic. Employees are expensive and you have to charge for that
What a horrible business. I would never work like that for those margins. Im in the fireworks business. Its July 5th. I just cleared 20k profit in 10 days
@nonecker7479 its a thing. I have a stand in Texas. Opening 2 more for new years. This wasn't even that great of a season. Usually do over 30k, especially in December. I own a phone repair shop full time. Im 3rd generation fireworks biz. My whole family does it. I do some sales through my website, but mostly in October/November for Indians during their Diwali holiday
7000 dollars for a PATIO The national average cost FOR AN ENTIRE CONCRETE DRIVEWAY is 2,100 to 7,000 dollars This man is publicizing his highway robbery
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I can guarantee you he is not paying the concrete guys 42 dollars HR at best 20$
Man hour amount isn't just how much he pays them directly
@@anttttmannnn that much he charging the client (labor)
I own a lawncare company and pay my helper $20 to trim whie i mow. I hope he pays them more than that. Haha
He will hire criminals with no driver license and pay them enough to buy beer cigarettes and scratch off tickets
If he is then good for them lol he’s paying them too much.. best guy should get $25 and the rest of the crew should get $18-20 depending on how much experience and skill they have
Tips. Don't hire me. You can get it done MUCH cheaper 😂😂😂
7k for a back patio cost more than my car and the patio cant even take me to mcdonalds
@@alfiestuart7631maybe in the 60s lol you are either a bonehead or dishonest. I'll run with bonehead. An individual can achieve the outcome for much cheaper yes, but that is not at all what happen here is it? No. The lack of skill, time or laziness costs money. The contractor if small can do it for a less if he self performed the work, yes, but is that what happened here? No it is not. The contractor also hired out the actual labor which does what bonehead? You guessed it, costs MONEY. Here bonehead, lets say you can do it for 2k, say you did the job, got more work, had to hire help, got more n more work, can't work in the field anymore, have to hire more help, do you think you can still do it for 2k? But it is exactly how one can start. So take you 2k bid and sell it.
It’s obvious you don’t know how to run a business and how payroll, insurance, overhead and profits work
That’s what I tell everyone, “I won’t be the cheapest” but for some reason we are still backed up on jobs for 2 years. Maybe the cheap guy is cheap for a reason lol
It’s always funny to me when I hear someone say a contractor is “robbing” the customer. This dude is organizing all of those moving parts, buying reliable material, managing people and giving the client exactly what they want and people get mad he’s making more money than an hourly paid employee because he makes the prices. Also, those people approve the quote that he sends them. He doesn’t put a gun to their head lol.
There's no way that's 54 man hours worth of work.
Uhhhh having 5 guys on a job like that all day is 40 hours.. add another guy (or not) and 15% to compensate for any BS.. yea thats pretty close
I had the same here, I needed to pave an 15 meters long alley. And the guy said it it will take like 3-4 days to do it . I did it myself in exactly 3 hours :))) People, if you are fit, do it yourselves or at least try to see how easy some jobs are and how much money you can save :)
2 1/2 days sounds about right
@@joshuajerome2232 its total man hours..
@@youngprince716 it takes 5 guys an an entire day to do that? That's a 2-3 hour job max for 3 guys.
Wow this is insane pricing, you got some balls posting this.
2600$ for 54 hour of work is nothing.. I insulate house and I make 2000$ in 15-20 hour
@@wD-io9ndthen youre more of a thief then the guy in the video 😂
@420Manhwa when did he force them to sign his quote? Regardless of price they were comfortable with him and he got job done. No way you should be focusing on another man's pockets 😂😂😂
@@420Manhwa"I don't understand business or economics" the post
@@420Manhwa if you are not happy about price you can keep shopping other bids
that's why my father told me to learn as much so I wouldn't pay as much. that slab I can do iny backyard for way cheaper.
I learned to do most of house improvement on youtube. Labor is incredible expensive nowaday.
Ok but some ppl don’t have time that’s why they pay others. You cannot also compare your crappy DIY slab pouring skills to the pros, so of course is cheaper 😂
@@alfonso704 just say you can't do nothing like a women that's why you need a real man.lmao.. the fact you think someone has to be a professional concrete guy to have decent results just show how ignorant you are.
@@alfonso704 doing a slab yourself isnt any weaker. will just look less good. but reality its really easy. no one wants to do it. thats why they charge so much. id know iv done this for a living.
@@alfonso704and there good diy as well bad contractors so take your pick.
😂😂😂😂 you buy new equipment for every job 😂
Gotta charge for it either way. How would the customer do it without buying their own tools? Your tools have wear and tear.
@@krotchlickmeugh627 I cut down trees and I don’t put the cost of my equipment in because I don’t scam people
The cost of your equipment IS your overheard , you can’t charge both lol, just some made up fees to justify crazy prices.
EXACTLY what I was thinking… with every job. They are re-paying you for brand new equipment? this is why I ask “you have your own equipment ,right?” when I am getting bid for a job as some people think this is now acceptable behavior.
@@tylerwestman5258I cut trees and
I do charge truck+tools+hrs rate. Buying chains, oil etc etc adds up. (I sharpen my sharpen chains)
When someone watched 20 CZcams videos in a week then decided to start his own concrete business the very next week.
So you managed to turn a $700 patio into $7,000. Congrats.
DIY: $1000 or have it done for $7000 🤔
Please go in to detail on the $2000 overhead
No sh!t
Rent for his business alone can be $2000
@@arelfarrington9943but his rent is none of the customers concern.
Rent is not included in overhead.
What’s next, he’s going to start charging for meals when he’s there?
@loganahanbona the defending of overhead is the cost of doing business. That includes rent if he is renting a shop or office space, it also includes portions of home rent if you run your business from home, it includes electricity, insurance, gas, internet , and various other items. So the $2000 more than likely includes a percentage of all of those things and yes the cost is included in the price a customer pays. Just like retailers markup goods they sell and we don't give a second thought. Some businesses have higher overhead costs than others and so their prices may be higher. It depends on location, economy, scope of work, and many other factors.
@@Lohanujuanare you simple? Or do you think things get done on pixie dust & good will?
I got 3x the same amount of work you just did for 6k last year. I'm in Cali just for reference. Salute to you sir for finding suckers to pay for this. People really need to shop around.
You're not paying your workers $42 an hour.... 💯
22.00/hr
I poured a 25x50 driveway and 5x10 sidewalk from it to house, with 1/2in rebar on 16s for 6k lol. Outrageous prices
That's cheap ass he'll you low balled yourself, and that's talking flat work now if you did stamped then you charged day labor prices! 😬😬😬
Where are you located I would hire you for that price of $4.60 a square foot anyday!
@@jayess6318 lol right. That was pouring it myself, not for hire 😀
Yeah that’s crazy even like here in Cali six or 7 ft.² max for stamp that’s like a 20 x 20 he’s at like $18 a square foot that’s insane especially for mediocre work
Thanks to CZcams and some common sense I don’t have to get robbed by this guy
Nobody said you couldn’t do it yourself. There’s videos on CZcams teaching you how to do anything. Just means it won’t turn out as good as you hoped. You pay for knowledge and time kiddo. If you want to spend 20+ years and buy a concrete buggy for $8-25k to move the concrete, pay 500$ for tools and forms, $3k on the concrete itself and spend days on just this one job then sure by all means nobody said you couldn’t. I can’t tell you that’s a smart decision, but by all means bud.
@@joshroi8610You pulling some serious ass numbers there dude. I want to smoke what you re smoking.
@@joshroi8610”20 years”
You’re hilarious bud, go back to your homework it’s almost bedtime
@@joshroi8610somebody sounds bitter. Lmao.
Doing it for yourself or a side job isn’t the same as running a business, owning equipment and vehicles and having to pay salaries and benefits. Electricians $100 /hr , HVAC $120/hr ., etc. If you don’t make at least 20% , you’re treading water…
Love when contractors charge for things they already have and reused for the next job 😂
charging for the use of your tools is common practice, charging for them separate from the overhead and so much is ridiculous. But the point you brought up isn't. it's normal. You'd have to rent all those tools for just about what normal people charge to get it done and have to put in all the man hours yourself. You'd be foolish not to charge for the use of your specialized tools. However, this guy is a fucking thief.
You pay for the wear and tear of their tools. If it's materials they can charge for that because you would be paying for it anyways.
@@arelfarrington9943he makes enough to replace all equipment in like 4 contracts. But those things will go bad after a MUCH LONGER time like 50+ contracts so how îs that not bullshit
As a contractor, I made spreadsheets for every piece of equipment I owned. It broke down the cost per job based on the expected life of the tool/equipment. I would charge that, plus 10%. Always had low prices and kept my equipment in new or like new order.
Example: a floor machine will be used a total of an estimated 120 times over it's 10 year life. It costed me 12,000. That means for each use, it costs me about $100. So I charge $110 for the equipment fee, $100, plus a 10% profit for me.
Not like some guys who charge you the FULL cost of tools and shit every single time 😂
since you don't have them and contractor need to bring them
Bro pays $180 a day
& re used that old ass wood. 😂😂
If true buddy walked off with 4K
Yeah bet he did… but “business in business”
Is $180 a day a lot to you? Do you live in like, North Korea or something? That's $22.50 per hour. So like, the wages a supervisor at a McDonald's or a coffee shop in a smaller town that doesn't get a lot of business, before tips.
54 man hours? Seems high for such a small job...if I did it myself, it wouldn't take all week.
@@Jayjaymartin77he said “wouldn’t”
Guys, there are least 4 guys there 54 MAN hours fills up in a day and a half...
@@jackfiercetree5205 Look at the area they are doing, it's not large. A couple of guys could prepare the site in a day. Then pouring the concrete, 4 guys to help place and level it is nice but only required for an hour. After that, 1 person can float it off...maybe they need to stay all day to refloat it a few times to get a really nice finish, but it's not a 4 man job.
@Pete856 like I said, 2 dedicated finishers. You need at least two dudes to manipulate those mats properly, they'd be wise to have a dummy to yell at for extraneous details. Most of the placers I know Can carpent, but they don't... Hucking road base, placing bar, level strips in forms, the actual pour, timing the strip, then timing the whole rest of the troweling, stamping and sealing... if it were my job forms would be in place day 1 (even if it only took a couple hours), the next day, first thing would be pour, and then you have all day to avert any potential disaster. If things go great, great, beer o'clock comes early.
54 man hours is like a day and a half, if that, with a crew you idiot
Customer has to buy your tools, imagine that.
Talk about privilege lol
Equipment depreciation
I bet you don’t tell the customer that.
Yes, it's called overhead simp
Simp? Very Gay language.
I’ve been doing prefab concrete for 7 months now and doing everything from rebar cutting to tying placing on beds strongbacks ,finishing and even lifting 8 ton panels off with gantry and can’t believe how easy it is for anyone to do it and would recommend getting base knowledge of it and diy your own renovations cuz 7k for that little area is absolutely ridiculous.
I just quoted a guy 6700 for a patio and long sidewalk. He said naw somebody doing it for 1200. Thats less than the minimum load cost of concrete. People must work for free. Theyre definitively not insured.
Did our 6" 14x32 slab for $1600
Mud must be cheap there. I did the math and it would cost me $1660 in just concrete.
@@MrChristopherg25 Average is about $120 a yard, that's a little over eight yards, one truckload. Pouring and finishing can be done by two guys in two hours, plus setting up forms, cleaning, travel time, that works out to at least $50/hr for both. Pretty good money.
@@canonicaltom250 a yard here roughly
@@canonicaltom two guys aren't pouring a 14x32. And it's more like 3.5 to 4 hours pour and at least half day prep
@@schuylartomes172 Sounds like you don't know any real professionals.
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A good way to save a lot of money is to buy the supplies yourself. A lot of contractors purposely over buy supplies and then use the remaining on other jobs. Or make sure you get a rundown of everything.
What good does a cost break down have if most people have no idea how much anything costs. Your average homeowner doesn't know the cost of a yard of concrete, gravel, rebar, etc.
Ummm…you don’t have an account at Cemex.
Also…if YOUR concrete truck shows up late, or off, or any issues at all…you gonna pay the $300 or more per hour wait time until you can get another truck there?
You got insurance?
You got a pump?
@@sendthis9480 I'm not necessarily saying cement work but more like sheet rock, tile, etc.
"Ummm" 😂 like a typical asshat.
@@pyrnicious1847same thing, do you have insurance for when the install goes wrong? cause your home insurance won’t cover it.
He’s right in line with man hours. Remember: man hours is an hour regarded in terms of the amount of work that can be done by one person within this period. Not how much you pay per hour…
I hope he is giving the equipment, stamping supplies, forms, and leftover sealer to the customer since they bought them based on your pricing model. Otherwise if he kept the equipment that belongs to them, it should be considered theft.
Did you have them at gunpoint?
Charged like a wounded bull.
Yes 😢
Way over priced. It's always good to compare prices. I usually get an estimate from 3 different contractors. I always google the contractors, i then pick the top 3 with best reviews, and I then get an estimate from them. That's how u know I am getting the best quality work, for a fair price.
Nah you just called the top 3 guys who pay for advertisement😂
😂 i deliver concrete and some contractors i deliver for have mostly 5 stars and their work well i can say aint worth the 5 stars to me unless that what the home owner payed and agreed on
@@JohnGrowKnowsthey’re filtered by best review. So no
@xWhiteScopes you missed the point bud. Must hurt being that dumb😂
Shut up nerd.
He basically starts the video with, "$7,000 Concrete job: Here's how I got away with it..."
He isn’t doing this for $1700. Most the of the equipment is already owned.
Here I am, got my 15x 60 foot patio demo and poured for 4k.
Thats pretty cheap
May be getting that price in Alabama or similar.. But West coast thats a 15K job
Bro lives in Mississippi 😂😂😂
Your contractor won't be in business long,concrete is 165 a yard where I live.
It's 2.5$ a square to place and finish, 2$ for stamping extra, plus what ever the set up the forms are
54 man hours lmao, dude has to be trolling. That's not even a full 8 hours to do that job.
The only thing i learned is that apparently poor people get really angry in the comments about things they can't afford
This is highway robbery. I paid $5k and got a whole patio from one end of the house to other!!!
I'm sorry excuse me, how do you have $2,000 of overhead on a $4,000 ticket?
Yeah id lime to see the jtemized portion of the overhead frankly
Its called safety 🤷♂️don’t hate the player hate the game
@@Emmalina313safety?? What you on about? Overhead costs are for things like buildings or vehicles. 2k on a days worth of work....
@@John...44... Actually vehicles are generally not considered part of overhead. Overhead is accounting, secretarial, management, insurance, bonding, an office space.
@josephdestaubin7426 since any vehicles can't be attributed to any one job they account as overheads. Unless they rent a vehicle for a particular job
That is about $30 / sq ft. Are you in California?
Lol you charge by the square for 12" thick slab? I bet you lose that ass on the regular.
Anything under 500sq ft for stamped I charge 20-40 a sq ft. Constantly have those small jobs lined up for that price range. When you do high quality stamped work people will pay. I've seen a lot of disasters.
He talks like he is from CA
Keep talking shit. This is hard work and few can put out a quality product
I live in CA and it's expensive RN but this seems a little much probably 5k depending on the company
Dude added an overhead price after naming all the overhead prices lol.
Impressed by the amount of audacity required to post this.
What the customer thinks: "your pocketing $6,000" 😂😂😂😂
Stop lol...screaming
Because he is lol
@@terongarbutt7743 dumbest shit I've heard in a long time 🤣🤣🤣
Amd he'd be accurate. OP is full of it
Doesn't matter, it's all overpriced because idiots are willing to pay for it.
Laughing all the way to the bank priceless.
Here in India 7000 dollar is about 5.8 lakhs rs . Here for a day of work an expert would take maximum 1,700 rs . And it would take 2 people for that work . Excluding material for work it would me about not more than 4 k
Literally 😂
Paying cash, no workers comp. No liability ins, no legit payroll with taxes, this guys a scab
“One Million Pound Patio”
“£200 in materials, £300 labour, £8,000 for the wife’s new ring, £4,000 for the fairy dust, and £987,500 to our pal for making the brews, the fuckin’ legend”
“And that’s how I built a one million pound patio!”
that stamped concrete is BOSS!
however ... 7 grand?????
We just did a 20" by 40" patio, 1,378 brick's, (30) bags of cement and (1) wheel barrel and (6) 4×4 ply wood, totaling $2,400. We was finished in 2 day's, because it started raining the day we started.
This is the guy that comments on dry pour videos saying it’ll never work.
Meanwhile handyman makes 275 off 300 dollar job
Example?
@@lukedorrington9712 own my own company right here. I can show you my invoices where I charge $100 hr.
Powerwash a concrete porch and patio 25 for gas the rest is profit whatever you charge
@@thomaswil8 thats like grass spraying. And its not a huge market
Then he pays 15% self employment tax. Then he pays federal state tax.
He pays for the gas to look at the job and come back to the job.
He pays for insurance
He pays for all the tools needed and upkeep and replacement
He pays for his truck, tires, maintenance
How much do you think he truly makes numb nuts
That’s why you find the local Home Depot and scout out to find some to do it on the side 😂 😂 😂
And it comes out looking terrible and you hire the professionals
@@angelcelis9090you’ll be surprised 😂😂😂
@@JoJo-op5xy I've had cheap work that came out pretty good so you're right. But I've also had cheap work that came out bad so it's kinda a gamble.
@@angelcelis9090where do you think those pros pickup their workers from
Is actually shocking how many people in the comments think all concrete works like $20/ hour 😂. A laborer in the Midwest makes $32ish and finishers make $42-55.
If you’re gonna rip someone off this bad, don’t post it online so people who know what they’re talking about have to see it
That's INSANE! That is a very very small square footage of space. Our patio, driveway and entire front walkway and porch were $2,000 less than that! What the gosh dang hell?
Is your driveway, patio, and walkway 8 inches thick and stamped? Didn't think so. Crazy.
@@JohnGrowKnowswhy are you placing residential concrete 8 inches thick?
@JandLcattlecompany I didn't say I do? But from the video you can clearly see that it's about 8 inches think. Try to use your brain man.
How thick is that going down though? You slab isnt the same as a driveway
But you live in a doll house.
$42 bucks think i need to learn a new trade
Yeah but he won’t pay you that lol cuz apparently insurance cost 21 dollars of of that pay check
You only earn about 20-25 at most thirty, and no it’s not talking about the workplace insurance for when you’re on the job, just your average Joe Shmoe insurance, where it is like 800$ most for any non life threatening injury before the deductible that you still have to pay lol, also the on the job insurance is workman’s compensation and therefore required by law to be paid out by the employer, and not any financial responsibility of the employee
Shit like this is why you'll start hearing "there's a robot for that!"
This is nowhere near a $7000 job. Lets take this logic one step further. I go to the grocery store to buy milk. Plastic jug $1, refrigeration cost $2.75, Milk cost $3, transportation cost $12.50, storage fee $2.50, forklift and stocking cost $5.35, processing fee $2.90. Total price of $27. Total cost of $1.55. Profit of $25.45.
This is why tradesmen are wealthy and they have a reputation of being degenerate scammers.
42 dollars an hour?? You good???
What do you think professional tradesmen make? I make 44.71 and definitely deserve it
You do understand employers pay taxes on their employees as well?
You can tell OP has no idea that tradesmen make well over 35+ and hour😂
@@JohnGrowKnows people here do same work for 22 an hour
@impossabear4096 i mean just because your felon, meth head buddies labor for 22 an hr doesn't mean they are tradesmen. We start laborers at 20 an hr, 0 experience. All of our actual masons make between 40-50 an hr base pay.
Is that before or after taxes? also did you need WMC?
I was confused when you said patio job for 7000, but its stamped, so makes sense
He didn't include his fuel, insurance, taxes, hours into planning and consulting...it amazes me how many people really don't understand how expensive it is to own a business.
That was fucking clean at the end 👌
$10.00 - $15.00 a square ft depending on jobsite situations.
I just paid $8,000 for a 2,000sqft concrete for a garage with rebar & 12ft skirting. Water PVC included.
42 dollars an hour????
That’s how it is in California good money in concrete
totally understandable. u have no idea of the expenses of a business. they are not paying for the workers, this is his Job. The customer is paying for a perfect pateo
42 an hour is normal why does everyone trip it's 76000$ a year a living wage any lower you're Fu*k
50 an hour at local 502 90 when you add the benefits
54 man hours for that? God damn dude…
Im pretty sure 2 ppl can finish that in 8hrs
@@Elgixxer2006 yeah no kidding haha our crew does 6000 square foot floors in 6 to 9 hours that’s insane
@@codykoch8342 69 hours 💪🏻
@@codykoch8342yeah, how many guys and how many concrete trucks does that take? Probably a 5 man crew, gets it done in one day. Simple math
There's at least three guys there. That 54 hours will be easily be reached.
54 hours ?! Did you have 15 guys working ?!
$700 for the concrete? I had 18 bags cost me $1200. Not even enough to do that.
Milking the customer #101 👌
That's exactly what the ignorant one says. Construction costs aren't limited to a few boards and nails.
Bro you ripped that customer off crazy shame on you.
Concrete guys are paid by the day.
you do NOT pay those guys $42/hr. Just stop
Why do you have equipment priced in?
Because he buys a brand new 500 dollar concrete float and buries it in the concrete after every job duh
Youve clearly never ran a business once in your life
Because running $20,000+ in equipment requires maintaince and a contingency fund in the event of breakdowns/loss/theft. $500 including new purchases, single use purchases, and a contribution to the contingency is relevantly reasonable.
@@al5612 None of that is the customers problem.
@@deltahotelxray Very perfectly said - and fully agreed. It is definitely not the customers problem, hence why when my truck got hit, I didn't bill the customer, I pulled it out of my contingency fund.
As we have abolished slavery and we now all enter into transactions voluntarily, the onus is on me as a business owner to price in the building of such contingency funds when setting my pricing in a voluntary transaction. Which is exactly what this guy has done.
I work for a living and would never disrespect myself by having an a**hole like you say it isn't your problem. I price appropriately to make sure I never have to stick my hand out.
“How I ripped off another customer for double or triple of what it should cost “
lol enjoy doing all that yourself in one weekend for less
33% self employment tax. Workman's comp, liability insurance, fuel.
@@CaliRob281so if someone doesn’t want to build their car themselves why not charge them 1,000,000 for a Jeep Wrangler? Piece of shit
So fucking odd how people have no idea the value of anything. That is a good looking patio and worth the 7000$ price
Thanks man! Appreciate it!
Damn those boys be getting paid 87k a year!
No they're not.
You buy 250 dollar equipment, charge 500 for it, then “steal” it so you can sell it again for the job you planned the day after. Once the tools are broken you’ve sold them 100 times and made 50.000 of maintenance costs on 250 dollar stuff.
That shit took you a week 😂
ikr this looks like a morning job not even 5 hours long i did 20 times that size in 2 days with 2 people and the only cost we had was 500€ for materials
@@dragnarok4286so not counting anything but cement he said he spent $700. Even if he upcharged material 20% thats still just about $500. So for a job 20x bigger than his you did it for 500 total. Tell me youre full of it without twlling me youre full of it.
@@OddlySatisfying74 is it my fault the material is more expensive in america?
@@dragnarok4286 what country do you live in that you can get material for forms, stamps, rebar, cement and pay 2 people to lay down a truck of cement for 1/20th the price of the cement alone on a small patio?
@OddlySatisfying74 pay people? You call friends over the only thing you pay for is rebar,cement,sand and beer. Every house owns a shovel, a bucket, and a cement mixer.
I just came from a dentist, $325 for x rays, $ 750 to pull the tooth.
I say the concrete job is a bargain.
The one thing i learned from all the comments on your videos is. You should charge the same as someone doing it themselves. Apparently 1 person can do these jobs in a few hours without any equipment. You arent allowed to charge for forms, tools, fuel. Also people are finding uninsured contractors to do it for 1/4 of the price. You cant charge enough to eventually retire. You should be working 80 hours a week till your 70. Its sad to see that many people think contractors arent valuable. Oh yeah and minimum fees arent allowed. You should charge the same per square foot on a 100 sq ft slab as a 10,000 square foot slab. And we pay approximately $95 an hour for our guys who are subs and self insured.
I'm in the wrong business if you're making a few dollars more than me to pour concrete. I need to get my business up and going lol
Concrete is hard work.
For colored, stamped and sealed concrete that seems reasonable to me. definitely not high.
Um you are an idiot 🤔🤣🤣🤣🤣
Keep in mind a majority of these losers are comparing pricing calculating the value of their own time as employees in white collar jobs.
They disregard the significant capital and labour investments needed to make an operation like this work, and the knowledge needed to do it right. These are the same people who'd scream if they stood on their knees, but take you busting your ass as a sign that your worth is no more than $20 an hour.
Good concrete men get 60k a year. Great concrete men are 75k a year.
My father became a foreman performing waste water installation, curbs, manhole boxes, concrete pipe installation and retaining walls for KIP incorporated in Southern California.
He could afford a home by himself before 2004. His take home was about 85k because of the OT.
I dont know what he does now but I was inspired enough to jump into HVAC. I make that much with less time in the field and stay local for many jobs.
I doubt your paying 42 an hour for the concrete workers but who knows... At 42, they are basically some of the highest paid concrete workers in the country.
Hey dude, are you sure you’re not a train robber posing as a contractor?
If this is all legit, you can add $500 back to your net income because very few tradesmen out there will put a line item - “Equipment=$500”. You’ve been using that equipment for years (if you take care of them) which has paid itself off 75 jobs ago. Also, as a customer - seeing big ol round numbers tells me you’re generously rounding up to “ conveniently” itemize the liabilities. Looks like you did a good job - you just did it for a lot more than the average concrete tradesman.
Hell yeah brother keep shit up 🎉🎉
Holy shit, you marked it up so much. Profit is not because u get the job but because u did the work. No wonder dollar aint shit no more.
Could have built a whole 48x48 shed for that much money
This is why you always buy your materials and have the contractor use the materials you purchased
That is usually a disaster. Who warranties the work? Did they get the right thing and the right quantity. Can they compete with contractor pricing?
Some contractors refuse to use your parts/tools
Never do this we won’t even warranty it, because we didn’t get to pick them, and we don’t know if you got them on sale because they’re defective etc.
Those of you saying “hes not paying his guys 42 an hour…” Yeah, your right. Its called overhead. A $20 an hour guy costs you anywhere from $30-35 an hour. With this math we can assume his guys are getting paid anywhere from $25-30 an hour, which is realistic. Employees are expensive and you have to charge for that
So he gets overhead twice? He added 2k for overhead, and you're implying he's making more overhead from the $42 an hour
54 hours to do that is absolutely insane !
What a horrible business. I would never work like that for those margins. Im in the fireworks business. Its July 5th. I just cleared 20k profit in 10 days
Wait that is actually a thing?
Is that a side hussle or a full time job, and do you produce or just sell stuff in a shop or online?
@nonecker7479 its a thing. I have a stand in Texas. Opening 2 more for new years. This wasn't even that great of a season. Usually do over 30k, especially in December.
I own a phone repair shop full time.
Im 3rd generation fireworks biz. My whole family does it. I do some sales through my website, but mostly in October/November for Indians during their Diwali holiday
2k a day for your best time of year, that's laughable, really. I make 3-5k a day on average doing concrete.
@Jtkempistylife u profit 3-5k everyday?
@jess_n_atx yes sir. Supply and demand variables have really jacked the price of masonry work.
A finisher will make between 30 to 42 an hour I would say, the apprentice probably start around 20 and works there way up from there
Hilarious how many people think that 42 an hour means that someone makes 42 an hour.
We are all laughing at ya here in Australia mate 😂 prices like that everybody will just be using that expandable foam over there soon 😂
Maybe it is $42 dollar and hour for 2-3 workers??
He’s paying his concrete guys 17 dollars lol
7000 dollars for a PATIO
The national average cost FOR AN ENTIRE CONCRETE DRIVEWAY is 2,100 to 7,000 dollars
This man is publicizing his highway robbery
Concrete workers thinking they’re doctors nowadays. Pretty crazy, 2023.
I miss the days when you could get that tiny thing done for $2000
I am not a contractor at all, but I totally understand the math. Once people see the math it changes everything .
Paying for someone to do their job and paying for their tools and equipment is crazy😊
The secret is out... No one should use your service