The Tragic Decline of Pirates of The Caribbean - A Franchise Retrospective
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- čas přidán 2. 06. 2024
- This is a video essay / retrospective on the entire Pirates of The Caribbean franchise, spanning from Curse of The Black Pearl (2003) all the way to Dead Men Tell No Tale (2017). Generally speaking, this is a beloved franchise, though there seems to be great divide on Gore Verbinski's second and third films Dead Man's Chest (2006) and At World's End (2007). No movie is without its problems but I believe those first three movies are all great. In this video, I make my case for the Pirates Trilogy, acknowledge their faults, and continue to discuss the cracks that began to surface later in the franchise, and how those cracks eventually went on to destroy the franchise, leaving it irreparable in my eyes.
Time Stamps:
0:00 Introduction
01:04 Chapter One: The Original Trilogy
08:12 Chapter Two: Something Stranger
12:03 Chapter Three: A Dreadful Tale
13:13 Jack Sparrow
19:18 Unlikable Protagonists
22:41 Inconsistencies and Errors
27:15 Conclusion
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I hate how every studio in the world will tear up the graves of dead franchises and tarnish their legacy all for some extra cash.
Yeah it's crazy. It's gotten so much worse because of streaming platforms like Disney+.
These companies are just ravenous for popular IP to beef up their streaming service.
It's the equivalent of sticking your hand down the side of a couch for a few loose coins.
@@TableCreedI want pirates of the caribbean 6.
Gore Verbinski and his crew turned a Disney ride with almost no real story. Into cinematic gold and created something almost out of nothing. Sadly Disney nowadays is turning this Pirate Treasure. Back to a ride with almost no real story. At least the theme park ride was fun to look at. Plus you didn’t have to think about a plot or characters really.
It's honestly astonishing what Gore Verbisnki accomplished back then, and to be fair, Disney deserves some credit for enabling him to do so.
They tried to turn Jungle Cruise into a movie but that didn't work. Pirates of The Caribbean had a Big Bang where it exploded and became this vast open world with endless possibilities. You believed in the world. You could nearly feel the spray of the ocean hitting your skin. Crazy how they're kind of reverting. I think a reboot is inevitable but I think they are in serious trouble.
Pirates of the Caribbean should have remained a trilogy, that's a fact
From the perspective of an audience member, yes absolutely it should have remained a trilogy.
But from the perspective of Disney, you'd be crazy to stop at just a trilogy so I can't fault them.
They problem is that they just didn't maintain the same high quality of production.
They didn't understand why people loved this pirate world, so they ended up hiring people who also had no idea why people loved it.
Once Verbinski left, it was game over. I don't know how they couldn't find someone else to take over.
There must have been plenty of solid directors throwing pitches at them.
That goes for almost every franchise. There are exceptions but usually:
Indiana Jones 1,2,3 are great, 4 and 5 are Shit.
Underworld 1,2,3 are great, 4 and 5 are shit.
Lord Of The Rings 1,2,3 are great, The Hobbit 1,2,3 are shit
Star Wars 1,2,3 are great, prequels 1,2,3 are shit.
Hmmm, a bit of a pattern seems to be emerging here🤔
They always try to upstage their high point, once you've sailed to the end of the world and beyond, defeated the litteral sea devil during a maelstrom. Who cares about blackbeard after Davy Jones? Who cares about the fountain of youth? Who cares about mermaids? Who cares about a finale set piece where the Black Pearl is sailing the edge of a divide in the sea? Why should Jack be afraid of the ghost of some spanish dougebag, when he duelled the devil himself?
It's over! Will and Elizabeth become part of the Flying Dutchman's mythology, Barbossa is the captain of the Black Pearl once again. And Jack although he may look like he's lost everything, get's the last laugh, when all he needs in his world is the map, his compas, and a dinghy, then the Black Pearl in Beckett's world. The end.
@@Cynic-Retired Yeah, I would agree there is a pattern in most franchises. I think its because when a studio tries to hire people, they try get them to sign on for multiple movies. It seems pretty typical for directors to get signed on to do a trilogy so I'm assuming that was the case with Gore Verbinski. Problem is, a lot of the crew probably agree to sign on just as long as the director signs on, so by the time the director leaves, you've also got an entirely new creative team for the most part who aren't familiar with the franchise. There certainly are exceptions, as you alluded to, like the Harry Potter films, which are relatively consistent in quality with some being better and some being worse, but the creative team on those 7 movies were committed to completing the story for the most part. It probably helped having the author of the books supervising the whole thing too. She would have kept everything in line. Pirates didn't have someone like that and it left them vulnerable. Same for Fast and Furious. A director makes a good movie and then they have no one left to manage the franchise and make sure there's consistency. Imagine your franchise being in the hands of Vin Diesel.
@@Cynic-Retired how dare you call the prequels shit if you dont like the prequels you dont like star wars
@@Cynic-Retiredumm prequels are good sir you sound bitter
I grew up watching the POTC Trilogy as a kid and a teen. Really fortunate. Same as Star Wars, Lord of the Rings. They were such blockbuster movies.
Dead Men Chest and World's End are by far my favorite.
We’ve all noticed from the 4 and 5 is less enjoyable to watch. There’s decline indeed
No Jack. No Pirates of the Carribean
Yeah, it's crazy how the franchise has just drifted into irrelevancy. These were huge movies.
And yeah, I'm with you on Dead Man's Chest and At World's End. I love them so much. I cannot understand why a lot of people think they're a massive step down from the first film. It's hard for me to pick which one I like best. I am curious though, would you watch a Pirates of The Caribbean movie if they just used completely different characters? Obviously if they try cast someone else as Jack Sparrow, I support everyone who doesn't want to watch, but what about a whole new universe with new characters? Have they got your movie ticket or no?
I might not watch the next movie. However I wouldn't mind they're adding new characters. As long as they are accurate.
Female pirates, like Mary Read and Bonnie had existed in real life.
They better bring a beautiful female actress
@@christophermichaelclarence6003 I'm glad to see you're at least saying "might". I agree with everyone who doesn't want to support Disney if they recast Jack Sparrow, but by all means if they do a complete factory reset with new characters, get a solid director with a passion and a vision, and it receives good word of mouth, I will absolutely go and watch that. If I feel disrespected as a fan of the franchise, I suppose that's the deciding factor. Interesting that you want them to use real-life pirates. Another person in the comments said they prefer purely fictional characters. I don't know how I feel about that.
@@TableCreed Indeed. However I dont like the idea of a reboot. Restarting again
@@christophermichaelclarence6003 I don't think many people will like the idea of a reboot until it comes out and hopefully it's good. There's a worry that it will be unrecognizable and people generally don't like change, but if the quality is high enough, I think we will all get over it. Just kind of doubting their ability to put something high quality out.
Jack considering shooting Elizabeth, is exactly how I feel when someone says they don't like the other films 😂
Honestly the fourth movie was relatively harmless since I mostly consider it an “epilogue” movie now that Jack doesn’t have to worry about his debt with Davy Jones anymore and can just do what he wants.
But as was pointed out in this well-constructed video, Dead Men Tell No Tales decided to pull a “happy ending override” for the original cast and retcon for the sake of it.
Yeah, I thought I'd be more upset with the fourth movie when I rewatched it but I wasn't too offended by it. It just exists. It's not awful, but it's not good. It's kind of like how I feel about Jurassic Park 3. It just exists. Nothing super noteworthy about it. You could have salvaged the franchise from Pirates 4, but now there's just too much decay as a result of Pirates 5. No saving that at this point.
Honestly instead of a sequel/reboot, I'd rather have a prequel directed by Verbinski based on Calypso and Davy Jones and his downfall, also another major issue with DMTNT is the lighting, the original trilogy felt had this dark and mystical atmosphere, DMTNT feels glossy and disneyfied
Respect your opinion but I'm generally not too fond of prequels. I don't think you can really make a 'four-quadrant' appeal to everyone blockbuster movie about Davey Jones and Calypso. That kind of story would only appeal to a certain niche of people and to be honest, I'd rather fill in the blanks myself. They did a good job giving us the rundown in Pirates 2 and 3. Would be down for Verbinski to return though. Imagine if they reboot and he directs. If he made a fantastic movie completely detached from the world he already created, that would be insanely impressive.
@@TableCreed I agree, especially over a decade after AWE it wouldn't be the most financial decision, but I'd rather see it than Pirates 6 or a straight up reboot, or a Verbinski directed PoTC film
Im so sad, they did my boy wrong
What's really weird to me is how nobody really seems that upset by it. Jack Sparrow was a cinematic icon and they turned him into a weird parody of himself.
I honestly cannot express how much I hate Dead Men Tell No Tale for what it did to Jack Sparrow. The people who made that movie clearly had no idea why people liked Jack Sparrow or Pirates of The Caribbean for that matter.
@@TableCreedTotally with you on this. The last movie was really intolerable. I saw it twice, and wrote six pages of notes whilst viewing it-all critical. I simply could not believe they could make a movie that awful.
you forgot the best part in the entirety of Pirates 5 : Uncle Jack
Yeah, that was almost an honorable mention for the things I liked about Pirates 5 but it just didn't push the needle far enough.
I remember a part where uncle Jack tells an awful joke then you just hear some absolute lunatic laughing his head off a few prison cells down the hallway.
I actually didn't really care for Uncle Jack. It was just a throwaway joke but that laugh was so good. That actor or voice actor who did the laugh has really good comedic timing.
Stranger Tides is the one that hurts the most for me, that movie had so much potential and could have returned the series to the more grounded roots of the original, but it was just such a mess and the portrayal of Blackbeard which should have been a highlight of the film was absolutely atrocious.
I can understand that. It was the first sign that things weren't ever going to be the same again.
I think Stranger Tides hurts, but Dead Men Tell No Tale enrages.
I'm so happy were finally starting to acknowledge Pirates TRILOGY!
And I've said this before, I always saw the end of the third film as a depiction of alternate history where Pirates were never wiped out and won a revolutionary war against the British empire. And as much as I like Ian Mcshane as an actor I never liked the inclusion of Blackbeard into this world.
The first three pirate movies NEVER relied on actual historical pirates it instead used them as inspiration for their own fictional ones. Like speaking of Blackbeard, Jacoby who is the pirate from Curse of the Black Pearl with the bombs and the SMOKING BEARD is clearly based on Blackbeard. Elizabeth Swann is also probably inspired by someone like Anne Bonny or Mary Read and Barbossa's name is taken from Barbarossa ''Redbeard''.
Pintel and Ragetti mention Morgan and Bartholomew as the writers of the Pirate Code as a nice little reference. All the pirate lords are fictional but their flags we see during hoist the colors are all from real pirates, the flag of the Black Pearl is taken from Calico Jack Rackham and if you pay attention you can see that Captain Teague flies what in reality was Blackbeard's flag!
But no HISTORICAL Pirate ever showed up in the trilogy and I would think that if Blackbeard did exist in this universe he would probably be part of the Brethren Court. I get the sense that the historical pirates were almost legends to our fictional characters like their time has long passed. Historically inaccurate but this entire Universe is clearly supposed to be FICTIONAL!
Yeah, Gore Verbinski clearly established this as a fictional world but once he left, they seemed determined to gradually bridge the gap between the pirates world and our real world. I agree that Blackbeard wasn't good in Stranger Tides but I think Ian McShane could have been really great if they gave him something good to work with. I feel like he had a strong commanding presence, at least for his character's introduction. Interesting facts about the real pirate lore. I honestly don't have a problem with them incorporating real pirates into the movies, but maybe that's just because I'm not as well-versed in pirate history as you are. It probably would be best to just adapt the traits of these well-known pirates into new fictional characters though, as you said. Maybe we shouldn't be glorifying real-life pirates who probably did some pretty awful stuff.
Imagine that Pirates 3 was hated on. What the hell was wrong with people to hate it
Pirates 2 as well. I just can't understand it.
I genuinely always forget that there are more Pirates movies than the trilogy.
Ignorance is bliss. Your brain is subconsciously protecting itself.
This was an amazing video !!!
Thank you. It's nice when someone comes to the comments just to say something nice. I appreciate it.
Excellent video, you excellently explained why this franchise really just can't continue. I just subscribed, keep up the great work!
Thank you. You may have just made my day!
Yeah, they completely wrote themselves into a corner.
Removing ocean curses from this world is just so perplexing. Are they trying to say this is set in the real world or something? I don't know.
Absolute lunatics working on this franchise. It's like they didn't even watch the previous movies. Pirates of The Caribbean is a mystical world.
It's a complete fantasy. I don't know why they'd want to remove these fantasy elements.
Gore Verbinski fully intended for the Pirates movies to JUST be a trilogy; that’s why At World’s End felt so CONCLUSIVE for all the major characters involved, even though it ended with an “and the adventure continues…” ending with Jack looking for the Fountain of Youth.
Disney just decided to try and pile on an already-complete story, continuity and story sensibility be damned.
@@DCMarvel2009 To be honest, I don't blame Disney for moving ahead. When you've conjured a multi-billion dollar franchise out of nothing, you'd be a fool to stop making movies. I do blame them for not getting the proper people in place to carry on the work of Verbinski. They didn't even rush the decision. They just made a bad decision.
Thank you for this post!!! We felt like we were a part of the all the movies! We weren’t just watching them but enthralled/happy/brokenhearted. We lived in the world w/ POTC In big, Huge part to Johnny Depp!! ❤❤❤
RIP POTC!!
I think Pirates of The Caribbean as we know it is gone, but they'll keep making them as long as they make money.
The most incredible amazing actor on earth. ❤
Hey I like the Star Wars prequel’s and they are far better than the sequels they are good movies now people this didn’t accept them back then
"Hello there" (imagine that in Obi-Wan's voice)
I agree the prequels are better than the sequels. I don't know if I'd go as far as saying the prequels are good movies though.
I've only watched the prequels one time, so maybe I need to revisit them. I enjoyed Revenge of The Sith the most out of the three of them.
There's definitely things to like in the prequels but I also feel like there's a lot of stuff to dislike. The fact that I haven't felt the desire to rewatch them kind of tells me all I need to know about them. I'm glad I watched them and I can participate in conversations like this, but I don't know. They just don't appeal to what I value about movies.
I'm glad you like them though, and yeah people do seem to be more accepting of them nowadays, after being slapped in the face by the sequels.
Thank you for this video my man! I love the insight on Jacks character. A master manipulator is a great way to put it simply.
Thank you. I like to think I understand Jack Sparrow pretty well. I don't mean for that to sound arrogant or pompous but I've just watched these movies so many times.
That video CT made seemed to have hit a nerve with a few people, including me. When a channel like that has such a large audience, they also have a lot of influence on peoples' opinions. I was so glad to see people in the comments, and even people making their own CZcams videos addressing their comments. I think it's important to counter these kinds of things. I love the conversation though. I actually kind of like that Jack Sparrow's character is difficult for some people to understand. That's actually a real testament to his character, still deceiving the audience 20 years later. I don't know who that was in Pirates 5 though, but it wasn't Jack Sparrow.
The only way I could except a pirates reboot, is if it featured a younger Jack Sparrow with perfect casting for someone to play his younger self. There's plenty of backstory to build a world around and tell interesting stories, in my opinion.
I'm not sure about that. I kind of like that Jack's past is up to interpretation. An aspect of his character is how he lies about his history to make himself more respectable.
I feel like we shouldn't be let in on his real history, just like the other characters around him. It's nice you're so open to someone else playing Jack Sparrow but I genuinely think there would be riots if that actually happened. Johnny Depp would have to give his approval. People aren't just going to let someone else play Jack after they basically kicked him out of the Disney family, even if it is a younger Jack.
I always like to look at the potc 4 and 5 and just say to myself "nevermind all that!" then take potc 3 as an ending (even though it is teased clearly that there should be a sequel, that's up to imagination i guess.)
I do the exact same thing with the Alien Franchise. After 'Aliens', that's just the end for me. I'll imagine the rest.
We've got to mentally protect ourselves from the sheer horror of our beloved franchises being destroyed before our eyes.
0:40 exactly what I felt. except I would have pulled the trigger! has never seen cinema therapy the same after that.
also, great editing. subscribed.
Yeah, they make great videos, but it is difficult to not get irritated when they make videos like that Jack Sparrow video.
I had more to say about it but I just cut it out to help the flow of my video but there were some other points they made that I also disagreed with.
I just feel like they missed all the little nuances to Jack's character, and with a character like Jack who uses deception as a tool, you have to be reading in between the lines.
Also, thank you got the kind words. Appreciate it.
Id say Jack in the fourth movie was still Jack, he escaped from the King and still did clever things like swapping the chalices. But Dead Men Tell No Tales almost has no redeeming qualities, they screwed up the canon and Jack is a bufoon even after having the Pearl back. It is almost a parody.
Yeah, I said something similar to that. The characters in Pirates 4 are actually fairly well preserved. They're just not the same though.
The writing isn't strong enough to capture the true essence of the characters, particularly Jack and Barbossa. They need solid writers.
@@TableCreed I agree, and Barbossa is better written than Jack in that movie. That final scene getting the Queen Annes Revenge is epic. Also, the only thing (as a Spaniard) DMTNT is better than the fourth movie is the Spanish uniforms of that era. They are represented in OST as black, but they were white. But, ultimately, even OST had a better use of the Spaniards in terms of story. They are much more baddass in the fourth movie destroying the Fountain of youth. Its a little strange that the Gore Verbinsky Trilogy didnt create any spanish character, given that they were the ones dominating the majority of the Caribbean, along with the French.
@@jorgecas5678 Yeah, I suppose Spain was kind of glanced over in the original trilogy. They do mention "the Spanish Maine". I just think there were already enough pieces on the board for the original trilogy, and yeah that ending in Stranger Tides with Barbosa taking the Queen Anne's Revenge was great.
If they did make another movie, I would want it to be a spin-off. have a new curse, new crew, new villain, and no attachment whatsoever to previous 5 movies. Also have it take place in the earlier years of the francize because in 5th movie from what I remember it was sort of was saying the pirate era was coming to an end, and if you set a pirate's movie in that time period it wouldn't make an enjoyable movie were anything could have happened/ they wouldn't be on a historical accuracy time crunch.
Yeah, I suppose if they set it far back enough, that would be okay with me, say 50 years before the events of Curse of The Black Pearl.
If you set the time period too close, you risk them doing something incredibly stupid like showing us Jack Sparrow as a kid. Just imagine the horror of that.
As you mentioned Pintel and Ragetti for us to assume they are dead, thats probably correct. Pintel and Ragetti rejected the offer to be part of the next POTC Movies (strangers tide and Salazars revenge) because they were focused on other movies they were part of.
sorry for my grammar
That's interesting. I am a little suspicious of that though. I imagine they asked for more money and they were told no but maybe you're right and they were just contractually obligated to do other projects instead. Still doesn't excuse killing the rest of the crew off-screen. It is a bit odd to me that both of them would have been busy at the time. I haven't seen either of them outside of Pirates of The Caribbean. They were definitely under-appreciated by the higher-ups.
@@TableCreed true. If Pintel and Ragetti stayed in POTC it would be fire, or atleast for us to see that scene of them getting killed (when Barbosa explained to jack how black beard attacked and sank the black pearl)
The only thing I have issues with in the original three movies is Will's and Elizabeth's relationship. It's so given and shallow that it might as well be not there at all.
Little fun fact, the same guy who wrote it also worked on Dreamwork's Sindbad movie where a love triangle was planned at first. We got Will's and Elizabeth's thing only because his initial idea with Sindbad got declined.
I actually liked Will and Elizabeth's relationship. You can understand why they'd find one another attractive, but I guess it was used as a plot device quite a lot.
I get why someone might not like it. it is kind of a "well of course they're going to get together, just look at them" kind of situation.
@@TableCreed Exactly. It's not bad, it's just... meh. They could have focused more on it.
@@lightborn9071 true, they could have focused more on it, but that would mean losing focus somewhere else, and I'm quite happy with the areas that were focused on. Could do a lot worse than Will and Elizabeth. Case and point in pirates 5 with Henry and Karina. It's not like its the Titanic movie where the whole thing is about the relationship between the two characters and it just happens to be taking place on the Titanic. Pirates isn't primarily about Will and Elizabeth's relationship. I thought they worked just well enough, but if you value romance in movies to such an extent, I cant fault you for taking issue with it. I think the main thing is that both the characters are enjoyable to watch and follow on their own so that gives their relationship a lot of milage in my eyes.
One of the several things I didn't like about DMTNT is that it totally rewrote Jack's backstory. There's a deleted scene in Dead Man's Chest that shows he was branded a pirate because he freed a EATC slave ship. The book The Price of Freedom elaborates on the story set up by that deleted scene. Why not just make that into a movie instead?
I've seen that deleted scene. I liked it, but I'm fine with it being cut. It confirms what we all think about Jack Sparrow, that he's a good man.
I don't think that should be made so clear. I like that you have to read between the lines to understand Jack's character and motives.
The Liars dice scene is probably my favourite deleted scene. It's so good.
Pirates of the Caribbean 1 to 3 is for me one of the greatest Triology ever, it is for me the same like Lord of the Rings or Indiana Jones (tbh the same fate the first 3 movies was all good or great and then the shit starts because people get greedy) some Movies that are timeless and will probadly still get new fans that not even born when the movie released back then.
For sure, the pirates trilogy is timeless. They'll still be watched decades from now.
Someone else pointed out how a lot of franchises kind of lose it after 3 movies. Can't be a coincidence.
The first 3 movies were definitely amazing and I do enjoy the 4th film personally. The first PotC I saw in theaters was Dead Men Tell No Tales and I remember just reflecting on how far PotC felt so different from the first three movies to the 4th and 5th films.
Such a shame neither of us saw any of the original trilogy movies in a cinema. I don't know what I was doing at the time. Thankfully, I never gave Dead Men Tell No Tale a single cent, but I was also just blown away by how far the franchise went into lunacy and disorganization. The franchise lacked a visionary to guide it.
The first 3 movies are special to me, seeing them young with my family. Some of my first epic action movies I saw as a kid. The first one came out when i was 5 and I remember seeing it on dvd later that year and then waiting to see the 2nd and 3rd in theaters
I'm jealous of you if you got to see the second and third in a cinema. I don't know what I was thinking at the time. I remember going to see Spider-Man 3 in 2007, I don't know why I wouldn't have gone to At World's End at the very least. I remember watching a lot of movies for the first time on a TV when I was younger, but yeah those first 3 movies are special to me as well, and it wasn't until I got older that I actually started to fully appreciate them.
Heresy. Downright blasphemous talk to saying that Dead Man's Chest and At World's End suck.
But also, I have disagree with you, mate. The Star Wars prequels have their issues but they are still good. Always have and always be good
There's been a few people annoyed by what I said about the Star Wars prequels.
Of course it's all subjective, but given how this video is from my POV, I kind of said it like it was objective.
The prequels have a lot of issues though, but most importantly, the writing and character dialogue just isn't up to par with the original trilogy.
I was never really invested in any of the characters. I have no loyalty to Star Wars. I think I watched it too late in my life. I don't have that same attachment to it like many others do, so I don't care for a lot of stuff other would probably get joy from. The reason I think they're not good is because I watched them about 6-7 years ago, and I've never rewatched them or even considered rewatching them. That's not good. They didn't leave an impression on me. I did say to the other commenters that Revenge of The Sith is the one I prefer out of the three.
I owe them ALL!! On Blu-Ray! As well as my computer!!
I love Blu-Ray's. The quality is just so much better than anything you can stream on the internet.
That diagnosis part was so cringe, as someone who dislikes mental health care, from my experience, the psychologists ive seen have a STRONG bias towards diagnostic labels, and they refuse to acknowledge that someone falls outside the box or has nuances that can't fit into any label, yes Jack is pretty antisocial imo, but I've met diagnosed ASPD people, and Jack shows more concern and care, he doesn't get much credit and people are too complex for simple boxes!
Yep, there was more I wanted to include in that section but I was just getting down to the less significant stuff so I had to just cut it out, but yes, they did fail to take other factors into consideration. They seemed pretty set on shoving jack into some category. They didn't ask "why?" enough. "why does he show a lack of concern for people", "why does he lie without remorse", "why does he use people to further his own interests". If they just really thought this stuff through, they'd find the answers. They took a lot of Jacks characteristics at face value without looking under the surface. I just couldn't make this video without addressing that video.
@@TableCreed oh no dw. i was giving an example. but yea it's disgusting that they do this to Fictional characters too, like CMON. "he has a lack of concern, he must be a psychopath" Not necessarily, but he's a pirate idiots! My analysis of the movies wasn't perfect but they did say "Take what you can, leave nothing behind!" and "the only rule is what a man can and cant do", the sea is lawless so morals and rules barely exist. Also Barbossa did steal his ship so does it make Jack bad to take it back? Yes he manipulates others to his gain, but he has to be smart to survive and get what he needs and pirates dont care abt morals its about the treasure. Also, saying Jack is a psycho, is like saying all pirates are, yes they tend to be evil, but how do you get treasure/lift a curse etc even for good cause if u dont lose crew members or kill enemies? risk has to be taken to gain something, its not evil if they accidentally lose someone.. Davy jones was def evil but he had his reasons. and Imo Elizabeth was more evil than Jack, bc she left him to the kraken and to hang, even tho he always saved her, and it can be argued and thats fun, nobody cares abt who's good/evil its exploring what they are willing to do for gain bc everyone manipulated the other, its like evil but with consent, it's just good ol' piracy. It seems writers are better at understanding nuance than psychologists, weird. i think Jack falls somewhere in neutral-good, sorry this is long.
I LOVE PotC. At World’s End is my fav movie of all time. The trilogy is flawed but underrated. 4 is a decent time & 5 is a love, mostly hate relationship for me. I’d love to see a Pirates 6 but if they’re gonna reboot it… just let it die with the 5th one. I’d honestly watch a Davy Jones prequel or a story centered on the Turners if it meant no Sparrow. Amazing video man, love it!
Thanks for the kind words. Yeah, the trilogy does have some minor flaws but the same can be said for any movie or trilogy.
But there is no way they let the franchise die. Last one sucked and still made a pile of money. They're going to do something with it.
I am honestly hoping they reboot. They've destroyed this current pirates world. I wouldn't really be interested in prequels either to be honest.
I attribute the franchise destructive plot holes in the fifth film being the result of hiring two Norwegian directors who didn't speak much English while directing the film.
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There was probably a lot of previously established lore that was lost in translation.
Might be a factor. Who knows.
But if they were fans of the franchise, they would have seen a Norwegian dubbed version of the movies, but I have my doubts they even watched the other films.
And even if your hypothesis is true, there should have been someone overseeing all of this to make sure everyone kept inside the parameters, made sure everyone was in check and that everything was consistent. There didn't seem to be a person like that, and that's a failure on Disney's part for not putting someone in that position. They just let the money-men run the show.
I agree with basically everything you say other than this gore verbinski did a lot for the originals but Johnny depp, and the other cast were the main reason they were fun a lot of it was improved and wouldn’t have worked without them
Well my counter-point to that would be to look at those characters with Verbinski vs without him.
Yes, the cast all killed it in the original trilogy and they certainly played a big part, but at the end of the day it's Verbinski who gives the orders, tells them how to play their characters. He brought the maximum potential out of the actors. Just look at Depp and Orlando Bloom in Pirates 5. Bloom isn't in character and Depp seems to have lost sight of Jack Sparrow. There was nobody to shepherd them, to bring their best out of them. Thanks for giving your two cents. I like having these discussions.
“the prequels sucked then and they suck now”
You lost me.
“the Pirates trilogy was great then and it’s great now”
All right, I’m back 😂😂😂
new subscriber here! keep it up
Thanks for the encouragement. Appreciate it.
Very good Video, congrats! By the way, didn't Jack get the compass from Calypso? I mean in the 2nd movie she asked Jack if he still got the compass she gave him.
You know, I'm actually not too sure about where he got the compass from. I think we can assume he did get it from Calypso. That's something that can't be made by a mortal man. He must have gotten it from her. Wonder what he traded for it. Calypso seems to have a thing for men with a love of the sea so who knows what Jack's history is with her. They hinted at something between them in At World's End.
Yeah, Tia Dalma blatantly said as much. The writing crew behind Dead Men Tell No Tales must’ve either missed or ignored it.
@@DCMarvel2009 Yeah, the carelessness with the continuity was just baffling in Dead Men Tell No Tale. It just gives the impression that the people involved just didn't really care for the franchise. They just wanted to use the IP to make a bit of money. The absolute worst for me was how Will Turner could just suddenly resume his life with Elizabeth once his curse was lifted, as if his heart isn't in a box. The curse was the only thing keeping him alive and they just didn't even think of that.
@TableCreed Thats comment about Wills heart was hilarious btw, it really hurts me how they almost pretend the other movies dont exist with how much stuff they igonore, like the compass.Calypso clearly said so "the compass you bartered from me". Tbh if they just pretend this movie didnt exist and made an actual good pirates movie it could work but thats a gamble of long odds aint it. Best call new characters new ideas. I agree with all your points and I like your video making style, keep it up.
@@pattyteodorescu4716 Thanks for the kind words and encouragement. They didn't just pretend the other movies don't exist, but even within the context of Pirates 5 itself, that thing with Will's curse still made no sense just based off that movie alone. It's like they just thought Will's curse was his binding to the Flying Dutchman as its captain, but I find it hard to believe they remembered that part and not the fact his heart was in a box. Are we to assume they're just that dumb? maybe. And yeah, I think new world, new characters is the way to go.
I will forever miss him & believe we are all better for being able to be there together in theaters ( or house parties ) together to enjoy POTC. ❤❤
I will always be grateful to everyone who made this movie franchise possible, especially Johnny Depp! Thank you for your content in today’s episode! I live POTC. ❤❤😢
Thank you for watching, and thank you for all your enthusiastic comments.
Finally, someone trashing on Pirates 5! How can so many call Pirates 3 the worst one, it has its flaws, yes, especially when you know they were writing the script while shooting and not before, but, Pirates 5 is an absolute piece of sh*t that shames and throws away everything the second did marvelously.
Good video, mate.
Thanks for the kind words.
I wish I didn't have to trash on a Pirates of The Caribbean movie. It's so sad that it's come to this.
I don't know how anyone watches the entire franchise and ends up thinking Pirates 3 is the worst one.
I mean, if not Pirates 5, Pirates 4 is the next one on the chopping block.
And yeah, Pirates 5 felt like they wrote it as they went along. I find it hard to believe someone proof-read that and gave it the green light.
I never liked elizabeth, she felt like a mary sue as much as that smartass from dead men tell no tales. She didnt EARN the title as king, it was given to her because plot said so.
But what im here to really make a comment about is how do we know that pirates knew how to follow the stars are not?
I'm no historian, but I would think knowing how to follow the stars would have been a very desirable skill for most pirates, like even just the basic stars to give them a sense of direction. In Pirates 5, when Karina pointed up at the sky, they had absolutely no idea what she was referencing to, which I find ridiculous.
As far as Elizabeth goes, I respect your opinion but I do disagree. I mean, for her introduction she is being pushed around by a lot of people and she just takes it, and then she had to be rescued by Jack. She gets outsmarted by Barbosa constantly. And as far as being elected King of the pirates, yeah, she wasn't the logical choice and she only received Jack's vote because he knew she would vote to go to war, which is what he wanted. She was basically Jack's pawn. I didn't say she earned that, I said she earned the right to hold her own in that final battle without skepticism from the audience. She did have a very gradual buildup. Elizabeth likes to act brave but there are multiple times where she just goes in over her head and we actually see her afraid.
Dead mans chest was and always will be my favorite pirate movie 😮💨
It's difficult for me to pick which one I like best but yes, I love Dead Man's Chest too.
The first trilogy was amazing. Even stranger tides was pretty good. Certainly a different dimension above the dung we are fed today
While I wouldn't go as far as saying Stranger Tides is good, I was surprised by how unoffensive it actually was to me when I rewatched it.
I liken it to what Jurassic Park 3 is to the Jurassic Park franchise. It's just there. Some cool aspects but overall, nothing to really talk about.
Great essay the original trilogy
JUST FIRST ONE is art. Second and Third already become product, but just not bad.
I strongly disagree, but you're entitled to your opinion.
I feel like there's a lot of love put into the second and third movies, and the world and its characters are handled with great care.
The fourth movie is where I begin to feel something very strange is afoot. I can't feel the passion.
Noooo; watch them again.
They are amazing.
Second one is the best 💯
The best part of Carina is how a bunch of 18th century sailors treat 'navigating by the stars' as some major revelation.
I know. They have absolutely no idea what she's talking about, its ridiculous. Any decent pirate would know how to follow do some basic navigation by using the stars.
They made it seem like they'd never actually looked up into the sky before, like "oh hey, what are those shiny things".
@@TableCreed Yeah, it's just so stupid. Pirates 5 seems to think that the previous movies were about dumbass idiots, when the trilogy is really one gigantic game of chess between multiple skilled manipulators.
Personally speaking, I hate the fifth movie because of the nakedly obvious buisness intentions. They undid Will and Elizabeth's ending and even brought back Davy Jones all to try and get fans to watch these movies again. It's so naked and pathetic.
@@michaelfraser1073 Yep, the original trilogy is basically a battle of wits and intellect. The main characters are presented as intelligent people. All of that is thrown out of the window in Pirates 5. Jack pretty much has zero input throughout the whole movie. He's just along for the ride, reduced to an object rather than being a piece on the board.
@@TableCreed Yep. Also, maybe this is just me, but i really resent that Will and Elizabeth never find out that it was Jack who freed Will. That could have been a great scene.
@@michaelfraser1073 what instance of Jack saving Will are you talking about? If you're talking about Will being freed from his curse, I would say that Jack had very little to do with that. It was weird though how Jack really seemed to not want to go meet Will and Elizabeth on that beach. For as much as he pretended to be irritated them, he did care for them a lot.
Cinema Therapy is Wrong about the traits for Jack Sparrow!!
To your point about Carina, it gets even funnier when you realize that female astronomers have been around for over a thousand years at that stage, and female horologists were a thing at the time.
Yeah, it was absurd what kind of picture they were trying to paint. They really were smacking us in the face with that nonsense.
It screems "I wanted a feminist message without ever reading up on feminist thought"
In the original trilogy, Elizabeth escapes her oppressive life (represented by corsets) by entering the world of pirates. Throughout the 2nd and 3rd she learns how to maneuver the world and ends her journey with being pirate king, something that was impossible in her previous life. The message is clear: A woman can only be liberated if she lives in an environment in which she can thrive. Individual men aren't the problem (see how Barbarossa treats her in 1 vs 3, to him she is a person who has no idea how the world works but becomes a respectable amd competent person, it's consistent yet changes).
In 5, the woman gets harassed by men and called a witch, which shows that woman aren't liberated because individual men are assholes. When did any influential feminist writer in the entire history of it, ever, wrote anything close to that?
@@Sigma-xb6kn yeah, the pirates trilogy give far better representation as to what life could have been like for women at the time. Elizabeth does get pushed around a little bit due to her being a woman, but a lot of it comes down to her position as the governors daughter. She has expectations placed on her, whether fairly or unfairly. The pirates trilogy doesn't say 'this is no place for a woman' or 'this is a man's world', but it does make it seem like it is very unorthodox for a woman to find power in this world, which is historically accurate, but despite this, Elizabeth takes insult after insult and smackdown after smackdown until she learns how to actually fit within this world of pirates. She learns how to hold her own. In pirates 5 it's just so unnatural with Karina.
Very good video - i love Pirates of the Caribbean 1-3 a ton. Disney apparently is making a new film plus a spin off with Margot Robbie which....without Johnny, its not Pirates imo. Subscribed!
As far as I'm aware, they've come out and said they've thrown that Margot Robbie reboot in the trash. Don't think that's moving forward.
Yeah, a lot of people seem to think Pirates can't or shouldn't move forward without Depp, and I can't blame you. I think it's inevitable though.
They'll only stop when the box office dries up.
@@TableCreed I recently saw an interview conducted with Jerry Bruckenheimer that, unfortunately, does confirm Disney is moving forward with two new Pirates films. It's saddening for sure
@@noahthe0tter I'm actually open-minded about a reboot but it has to be great, not just good. But all signs are pointing to another sub-par pirates movie.
I have to be honest, the third movie lost me. It felt like it went off the rails.
You're entitled to your opinion, no need to be coy about it.
I am curious about what you didn't like about it though, if you feel like sharing.
At World's End is like watching a game of chess. I feel it's always clear what's going on but yeah, you certainly do have to pay attention.
There's so much subtlety in terms of how the pieces are moved around on the board. I like how it doesn't hold your hand through everything.
It trusts you enough to make your own interpretation.
I remember at the time, the original trilogy was reviewed badly. The trilogy did not get the respect it deserved.
Yeah, those reviews just leave me dumbfounded.
Funny how fast respect comes when the alternative is garbage.
Wait. There's a 5th Pirates movie?
It's for the betterment of your mental health that you continue remaining oblivious to anything that came after Pirates 3.
So no... no, there's no 5th Pirates movie.
the fourth movie isn’t even bad
Yeah, I don't think I said it was bad in this video. It's just kind of there. It's certainly not good but yes I wouldn't go as far as to say its bad.
Definite dip in quality though.
I'm ok with all of them. I love the first ones so much that il watch whatever they come up with. Same thing with fast and furious. Are the new movies good? No, but I like and enjoy them.
I'm glad you liked them but I have to say, I don't really understand that mindset. "were they good? no, but I like and enjoy them".
That just seems so weird to me. I can't think of a single franchise where I let the early movies influence my enjoyment of the later ones.
Indiana Jones went to crap, Jurassic Park went to crap, The Terminator went to crap, and I love all the early movies in those franchises, yet there are later movies that I either don't care for or actively hate. I can't wrap my head around that to be honest. Like its one thing to say, I really like all these movies, but to say 'No this movie is bad but I like it' confounds me. Power to you I suppose. Would love if you'd expand on those comments a bit though. Does sentimental value really give a bad movie that much leeway?
"Reboot", aka kick out the door with as much grace and care as an unwanted, terrible burden of a prodigy...
A Sith lord has more care for an apprentice that they are replacing!
Yeah, I suppose reboots are kind of a shameless attempt to keep squeezing money out of these properties, but if it's good, you won't hear me complaining about the reboot.
That's the thing, right? On some level, we kind of want the reboot to be awful just so we can laugh at them for trying again, but if they can make something great, get a visionary director that actually came to them with a great pitch and some passion, I'd be totally behind it. I hope if it is good, people give them their due praise, but I am expecting it to be bad. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
I don’t care for Black Beard movie. It’s like a stand alone movie, almost!
Yes it is very separated from the original trilogy, just in the way it feels.
Yo! When you talked about how DMTNT got rid of all the sea curses, that's exactly what I thought! I was wondering if anyone else thought about that! I tried imagining a sixth movie in my head, but it's almost impossible, because now there's no more magic. They seriously wrote themselves into a corner with that. Like, if they wanted to make more movies, they shouldn't have done that. At least we'll always have the Original Trilogy.
It is seriously baffling how they allowed that to happen. That's why I say Disney never had a clue why people loved the franchise in the first place.
They weren't protective of the world at all. They allowed people into the franchise who didn't care about Pirates of The Caribbean at all. Totally careless.
To be honest, it just shows a lack of common sense and basic human intelligence. The franchise was a money-printing machine. You should protect that.
I loved pirates but after the one with black beard and Penelope Cruz they probably should have ended it
and some lunatics think it should have ended after the first one.
Woow, so nice video done 11/10 on so small account :o a lot of respect + a sub from me :D
Thank you. I did put a lot of effort into this video so I'm happy people seem to like it.
If I knew it would do this well, I would have re-recorded the audio but I just hope to improve upon this video.
I don't think I'll do something this long for a while but I'd love to do something similar with the Jurassic Park franchise.
I only own and watch the first trilogy. It was perfect ending . I ignore 4 and what ever they gonna make or remake or reboot .
I find it difficult to ignore Pirates 4 and 5, but I do try and just focus on the original trilogy, hence why I feel the need to segment them into a trilogy away from pirates 4 and 5 instead of calling the franchise a pentalogy.
To be honest star wars prequels don’t suck. Is just ur opinion
So I've been made aware. That comment struck a nerve with Star Wars fans. I was really saying it in a joking half-hearted manner and it was just there to serve as a comparison to the Pirates movies, and yeah it is just my opinion so it doesn't matter much. I might have to make a pinned comment addressing it if more people keep commenting about it. I'm bummed that a small comment like that distracted so many people from the topic at hand, which is Pirates of The Caribbean.
you have to be born in the 1990s to be able to watch the Pirates of the Caribbean
In general, I would disagree, but I have noticed some middle-aged people show total disinterest in the movies.
I wouldn't say age is a prerequisite but with anything, there are certain demographics that the movies will appeal to most.
@@TableCreed I mean if you were born in the early 2000s, you may not be able to watch the movie cause it's PG-13 which means you have to be age 13 to be allowed to watch it which means you have to be born in 1990 to be age 13 in 2003 to watch the first movie. Or you have to be born in 1994 to be allowed to watch the first trilogy in 2007. This has excluded the fact that many many people can't even remember their childhood events before age 6. I myself is already a speciality that I remember things dating back to my year 1 and can be confirmed by my parents. So if you were born in the early 2000s you may not be able to watch or remember anything about the original PoC trilogy.
@@kiss4luna I mean, that's assuming the movies only played in movie theatres. I never actually watched any of the original trilogy movies in a cinema. I watched them on a monitor or on the TV, yet I still consider myself as someone who grew up with Pirates of The Caribbean. The only Pirates movie I saw in a cinema was Stranger Tides.
Prequels were great then, are great now. People still talk and gush about them, unlike pirates 2 and 3. Its okay to have a blind side
Are you saying I have a 'blind side' for not liking the prequels?
So are you saying anyone who dislikes them is just blinded? Don't you see the problem with that mindset?
I actually just watched a video today where a guy in his 50's spoke about what it was like when the prequels released.
He said people absolutely hated them, so much so that people were burning their jedi robes outside the cinema on the pavement, and people were campaigning against George Lucas. Probably a big reason as to why he sold Star Wars. Just wasn't worth the trouble for him.
The only difference is that social media wasn't around back then like it is now. From what I gather, people hated them back then. I've checked around on reddit too for peoples' opinions. It's fine that you like them. It's actually great. I'm glad you do. I hope you cherish those movies forever. I just don't care for them and I watched them with both eyes open.
@TableCreed yea, that's what I said.
If your were a bitter 35 yo then maybe that was the perception, but people loved them. They were everywhere. The merchandise filled the shelves and most of it sold. Revenge of the Sith made almost as much money as The Phantom Menace. I'm in my mid 30s. I was there and I was shocked when my parents got us a PC with internet in the 2000s and I saw that there were people that didn't like them.
And I'm happy that today their legacy is that they are simply iconic.
@@shepherd2148 I don't know how to engage in this conversation without coming across as rude, and that's not what I want to do. I had a long paragraph typed out and I cancelled it. All I will say is that I think you're romanticizing about the prequels, and about how beloved they were/are. What about what happened with Ahmed Best and Jake Lloyd? Those don't seem like happy and satisfied fans to me? What about the enormous box office drop between The Phantom Menace and Attack of The Clones? For what it's worth, I think the prequels are iconic, but not for their quality. Sure, people loved them, but people also hated them and that can't be glossed over. I really don't want to talk about Star Wars on a Pirates of The Caribbean video. I only mentioned it because it seemed like an apt comparison to me. Sorry if that distracted you/threw you off, or just straight up annoyed you, but my opinion doesn't matter anymore than anyone else's so why even be annoyed by it?
@TableCreed I'm not romanticizing. From a story perspective they are built enormously well especially compared to the recent Disney sequels. They have just as many layers as the original trilogy if not more. Some smooth brains focused in on the wooden dialog but that was never an important aspect of Star Wars as the dialogue has been wooden from the very beginning. Episode 2 did have a drop probably due to less rewatches because of its length, the lack of action and it's slower pacing. But the trilogy finished strong which indicates there wasn't much apathy or drop off. Now that the 40 year olds are 60 and off doing other stuff, and the kids and teenagers are now adults, you don't have their obnoxious voices talking about too much cgi. Like all those voices taking shots have just aged so badly. They re-released TPM in theaters recently and it set the record for the first or second highest grossing re-release of all time. They were always great, we just had to suffer through a decade or two of some people being mad that they were different from the originals.
I just think it's really funny to bring up the prequels in comparison to the Pirates movies because unlike the prequels, I did hear lots of negativity towards the second and third Pirates movie especially the third one. People laughed in the theater in many scenes that weren't supposed to be funny. A massive criticism then and now is still that Johnny Depp worked better as a supporting character and not as the main character in certainly not as a character who is cloned with 20 or 30 of him running a ship on his own in Davy Jones's Locker
@@shepherd2148 I don't think people were mad that they were different from the original trilogy. I don't think people becoming softer on them nowadays is due to them getting over anything like that. I think people are softer on them because of how awful the sequels were. I really don't like the kind of objective language you're using. You're stating everything as factual when it's just your opinion. You always thought they were great, that's fine. Glad you like them. You're putting up walls to protect your opinion from scrutiny. Someone disliking something you like is not a personal offence towards you. You're totally unwilling to even consider that a person can dislike them without having some external factors influencing their enjoyment. The prequels did not give me what I value in movies. I'm a person who's all about the characters. I don't care about the plot if I don't care about the characters, and none of the prequel characters actually got me invested. That's my problem with the prequels. I don't really care about any of the characters in it, therefore I don't really care about anything else. Best compliment I can give the prequels is that even though I don't like them, they do compliment the original trilogy. When I see Darth Vader, I now see Anakin under that mask. That's pretty great.
And, yet, there's a remake of *NEVER SHOULD HAVE BEEN TOUCHED* The Crow movie set to crash and burn come August. Serves them right using the character Eric Draven, the cash-grabbing curs! Moviemaking has become soulless and hollow. 😒
I've never seen The Crow but I do remember the internet becoming collectively annoyed by the photo's they released of Bill Skaarsgard a few months ago.
I also remember a story about the original director coming out and publicly trashing the new creative team, but yeah, it does seem like studios are trying to reboot whatever they can.
@@TableCreed I highly recommend watching the '94 The Crow. It really has held up after all these and not many movies have done that. :)
@@MichelleLowe7 I'll keep it in mind. I do hear it mentioned the odd time on live shows I watch.
You lost me when you said the prequels suck
Man, you have no idea. I've been getting a few too many comments about the Star Wars prequels. I said it pretty jokingly I thought, but I should have known better than to mess around with Star Wars fans. I did half consider voicing over that line with something else while I was editing but I didn't really expect this video to do as well as it has so I just didn't think much of it. It is just my opinion at the end of the day, even though I did say it pretty objectively in the video, but anything I say in a video is inherently subjective.
Prequels WERE great and are great now! It has nothing do to with sequels - people who love them had to simply grew up, as they couldn't defend them as children!
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I respect your opinion and I love that you love the prequels, but they just didn't have enough of what I value in movies. I'm all about character and I just didn't really feel connected to the characters in those movies except for maybe the last 30 minutes of Revenge of the Sith. I do really like that conflict between Anakin and Obi-Wan. The best thing about the prequels is how it gave us a better idea of who Anakin Skywalker once was, and I think they compliment the original trilogy. I just don't think they do enough to compliment themselves. Nice to hear your opinion though. I should have known better than to mention Star Wars in a video that's not about Star Wars, ha.
@@TableCreed Maybe issue is not that movies are not 'good; but because they are simply not in your taste. I don't like episode I much, but it's because of climate - from plot point of view, movie is good, it's somply not in my taste. But children that like such movies definitely will go for it - and it was them that were primary audience. I prefer II & III because I need love story in movie, and Anakin and Padme had one of the greatest love stories in whole cinema world. I don't think you have to feel 'connection' to character for movie was good from plot and visual point of view - and vice versa; you can feel connection to characters, but be bored of movie. I liked Rye, Finn and Poe in sequels, I felt connection to them - what I didn't like was plot of sequels. None is forcing you to like prequels - but why even talk abut things you don't understand in first place! You might have not feel connection to characters, but others, including myself, absolutely did. That you didn't feel something doesn't made them bad movies.
@@pendragonsxskywalkers9518 Well of course it's all subjective but I can't just go around saying "oh I'm sure that movie is good, but I didn't like it". That's not really how it goes. It's more correct to say "I didn't like that movie, but I respect those who like it". I can tell you're frustrated, but I would just say, why care about my opinion? You have yours, I have mine, and that's fine. You shouldn't really say "why even talk about things you don't understand in the first place", because that's not really fair. I watched the movies same as you and they just didn't connect with me the same way. You can try convince me to change my mind if you want but you shouldn't resort to trying to invalidate my opinions. I am a person who really needs a connection to the characters. I am of the opinion that plot doesn't matter if you don't care about the characters and that's pretty much my issue with the movies. We just value different things in movies. I'm sorry if I made it seem like the prequels were objectively bad. Anything I say in a video, even though may seem objective is actually subjective due to it being a video from my perspective.
@@TableCreed Why I care about others opinion? Well, if someone is insulting my taste (and saying someone 's77ck' is insult), they are insulting me - that's how I feel at least. I also find it incredibly disrespectful towrads work George Lucas and actors do to create masterpiece prequel trilogy is.
@@pendragonsxskywalkers9518 I don't want to tell you how you should feel, but I don't think you should be feeling personally insulted by someone not liking a movie that you like. I like that you enjoy those movies. I'm glad they are of value to you. I celebrate that. They're just not something I value. It's also not our responsibility to be respectful to the creators of the movies. I think it's our responsibility to be honest first and foremost. I think George Lucas will be just fine. I have met you halfway here and have told you that my opinion was subjective, but I do find it a little odd you're using pretty objective language such as saying the prequel trilogy is a masterpiece. I understand your frustration. There are movies that I absolutely hate, and it does bother me when people say they enjoyed them. I feel this weird need to tell them why they're wrong, but I try and control that as best as I can to make sure I'm not making it seem like my opinion is the end all be all. My opinion doesn't matter any more than anyone else's so I hope you're not too bothered by what I said. I do like aspects of the prequels.
Therapists are never right. They wouldn't make money if they were right!
Ha. You might be on to something.
I like their videos. I've seen a few of them. That Jack Sparrow video just struck a nerve with me, and I just felt I couldn't make a video like this without addressing my problems with their video. Hopefully people don't mind the slight detour.
@@TableCreed I've watched a good handful of their videos too. I like their vids despite not always agreeing with them either. I wholeheartedly agree with you on Sao Feng and his crew, they don't feel like they belong in PotC... Not being racist or anything, I mean, I feel they don't really add anything. The bit at Shipwreck Cove could've been better but I still loved it! Shipwreck Cove and the pirate lords were awesome, I greatly enjoy that concept!
But it really IS just the first movie that's good.
Apart from Davy Jones I remember NOTHING from the other 2.
O except ofc that Barbossa & Jack Sparrow could never have been captains at the same time, so the whole Coin bullshit is..well.. bullshit.
Generic Pirate Garbage, that's all I remember from the other 2.
Hence why I never bothered watching movies that are said to be even worse.
The first one was fucking amazing.
A lot of people have that same mindset. Power to you if that's how you feel, but I disagree and think there's a lot going on in Pirates 2 and 3,
and there's a lot to love. You probably made the right call skipping Pirates 4 and 5. They certainly don't add anything to the world.
@@TableCreed I think it was probably fun if you're into pirate stuff, but I really am not.
That's how good the first one was.
@@Squagglimole I think my only experiences with Pirate stuff prior to Pirates of The Caribbean was with Peter Pan movies. I don't think the setting really has anything to do with why people like these movies. If it is a factor, it's minimal. That first movie just has solid characters, a simple story, sharp writing and plenty of wit. It just happened to be a pirate movie too.
Hm the Star Wars prequels were great then and are great now (1-6 forms a brilliantly cohesive story)
I like how the prequels compliment the original trilogy in the sense that when you go back to the original trilogy after watching the prequels, you see who's behind that Darth Vader Helmet. You know that it's Anakin in there and you become more attached and understanding. You understand what it means for Luke to be a Skywalker.
Obviously we knew of Anakin Skywalker but the prequels let us know who he was, who he is. I love how he was always the chosen one and had to go to the dark side in order to bring balance to the force. There's certainly things to like about the prequels, I just also think there's a lot to dislike and that prevents me from rewatching them.
I respect your viewpoint though. I don't want to take anything away from you. I think the prequels just became more about Star Wars itself and didn't focus on the characters and their story as much as the original trilogy did. For me, it's all about the characters and I never became attached to the prequel characters like I did with Luke, Han, Leia, and others in the original trilogy. I would say I am the closest to liking Revenge of The Sith.
I actually really enjoyed the two last movies. They weren't perfect but they were goofy and exactly what I wanted for sequels to an amazing trilogy.
Well youre wrong
@@thejustinsteffan Well, I had an opinion. Thank you for shitting on it. Makes everyone's day more and more bright! Good job, Justin!
I'm glad you got/get enjoyment out of those movies. If they gave you what you wanted then power to you, don't ever feel guilty about it.
I do hope that you would agree they were a dip in quality though, and that you would have preferred something more along the lines of one of the original trilogy movies?
Maybe not, maybe Dead Men Tell No Tale is your favourite. Different people value different things about movies.
I did enjoy the actual competent cameo of will returning from sea to kiss Elizabeth at the end of whatever film (is it 4 or 5?) I never saw it coming and it was lush 👏👏👏
oh I don't know. Pretty rough if you ask me. Just seemed like two actors on a soundstage. Didn't even feel like Will and Elizabeth.
Glad you liked it but I just thought it was a bit pandering to be honest. It was Pirates 5 by the way.
You lost me at filmento. Also when you started talkin out your ass. At least you know the first 3 are all good.
Hello. Could you be more specific so I can at least try to back up what annoyed you?
Please don't tell me you're another person bothered by what I said about the Star Wars prequels.
@@TableCreed na you got good opinions i agree but youre not saying much in general. Thats just my opinion about your opinion tho
@@TableCreed right now i mainly remember the stuff about beckett and people not being scared of other people which is just not true and a weird inclusion.
@@thejustinsteffan I really don't know what it is you're referring to about Beckett. Obviously I can't be my own judge but "you're not saying much in general" has me a little perplexed on a near 30 minute video about the entire franchise. This video wasn't a walkthrough of the movies. I was exploring other stuff, below the surface stuff. I thought I focused on the important stuff. Would be great if you could give a few instances where I was just rambling about nonsense but I think most of what I said was worthy of inclusion.
@@TableCreed theres a few instances similar but saying jacks no longer afraid of the locker but he still kinda is. His whole goal in the 3rd is to not go back to the locker. Id elaborate on more but maybe later.
I think the Pirates 5 actually set up Pirates 6 really well... How about after Jack destroys Poseidon's trident 🔱, Poseidon tells Hades to take down Jack. So Hades being the god of death resurrects Blackbeard, Salazar and Davy Jones using a mcguffin and gives each a snake to ride on, Jormugandr, Nidhog and Leviathan. Turns out Jack is looking for the same mcguffin that Hades used to resurrect the three, to resurrect Barbossa, as the later did the same to him in the original trilogy. Henry learns that the villains are back and informs his parents. They recruit each and every the character from the franchise so far to battle the three and Hades' massive army. Jack fights his old foes and Poseidon and learns that in order to resurrect someone using the mcguffin, one has to sacrifice his own life. Jack who has always been a selfish dog, makes the final act of sacrifice by giving up his own life in the ocean and Barbossa comes back, reunites with Karina. Hades is sent back to hell. In Jack's funeral, Barbossa looks into a binocular, and sees Jack is actually alive. But he gave up his hat for a new generation of pirates to take up his mantle.
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