Cement Board Installation for a Bathtub Shower
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- čas přidán 12. 12. 2017
- In this video I cover everything you need to know to install cement board (tile backer) around a bathtub.
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Lmao 1:30 also thank you for the tips, great angle, great lighting!
Jean Pierre Rivera Thanks!
Yeah and thanks for the 2 super long commercials with no skip options at 1:31. So annoying
Loved that temporary shelf you used to prop up the first board. Awesome tip!
I’m remodeling my 80 year old house. I’ve watched tons of videos but I just discovered yours and I wanted to thank you for making them so easy for me to understand.
That illustration of the backer board on the tub with the tiles over the top is next level!! So easy to visualize whereas a verbal explanation might have been to much for an adhd spastic such as myself❤️👌
I cried when you drop the screws! lol. I feel your pain Bro! lol
Thank you sir, thank you! This video is extremely comprehensively informative. Your video is the ONLY video, out of six, that I've watched that made it extremely clear where the backerboard and tile go. Ive just subscribed to your channel! Thank you.
Very thorough demonstration. Thank you.
Love the humor of the dropped screws. The story of my life.
It's really nice how you explain everything you are doing. You and answered questions I had with this video, Thank you!
2 years old bit still helpful as hell. Thanks man I used a skill saw to cut it though. the knife was killing me haha
We begin our bathroom remodel in two days. Gotta get it done in a week. Got your video on speed dial Devil Dog.
1:30 screw fell
Me: throws drill, throws durock, kicks screws, stubs toes into the wall, puts foot through wall to deaden the pain of kicking a wall, gets pissed from getting pissed from getting pissed because i dropped the screws.
Loss of time: priceless!!!.
Great video
I have to say, your working clothes are nicer than what I would wear to go out for dinner :)
I got info I could not find anywhere else..... thank you sir
Love the small details, thank you.
this was very help full looking forward for more.
Exactly what i was looking for ! 👌👍👍
Thank you, you answered all my questions
On some areas we do ceilings first..good video👍
thanks for the vid. like your attire too
Betcha your wife freaked out using her lemon jug. Nice work and information. 👍❤
You may be correct
Best Video Out and I've Watched Several
Thanks!
Drops box of screws lol ..... Great stuff thanks for making me laugh .
I like to have some screw in my pocket lol ....
Not a terrible job. Way too many seams with the cement board. Also you want to keep the necessary seams in areas where water does not commonly strike. Hence start hanging the 5' boards horizontally from the tub up to the ceiling. Then take a 5' board turn it vertical and hang on the 2 remaining walls. This way the majority of seams are high.
You the best man
Thanks!
9.38 now that jug is special!
Bought an old 1905 farm house, of course there are tons of things that need to be fixed and your videos have really helped me, since I am refurbishing the house by myself! I have loved every minute of it! Buuuuut if your single....will you marry me??? lol I've always wanted a handy husband!!!
Pre fill joints first, then mesh tape, then coat.
Great video
make more videos, really like them.
LOL thank you for keeping it real.
I like your video bro it’s fun too
Good video. What about where the walls meet the floors? Thinset or caulk? If caulk what type and brand?
Thanks
Not sure if you did the plumbing too... But you're typically not supposed to use PEX for the drop to the bathtub spout. It restricts water flow and can cause water to come out the shower head as well when you're filling the tub.
I’m installing a refinished clawfoot tub on top of river rock tile. I’m going to thin set, lay tile, paint seal on rocks for a wet appearance and then grout. What would you suggest I put on the floor first? I did leave the old linoleum there that was under the old tub…🤷🏻♀️. Thank you
Just curious, I have seen multiple videos with plastic and some with none. Noticed you went part way up. What's the thinking behind this? Great videos! You keep it simple
quick question .. great video btw .. what if I have an older house and the whole wall is shiplap .. will it be attached the same way or will I have to remove the shiplap.
such a good video for this. question: why don't even experienced folks use a longer spackle knife to get more on at a time? Is it because it's too grainy and won't flow out like mud? Just curious.
Would it be the same if it a shower pan instead of a tub ? Do shower pans have that flange that goes under the tile ? thanks
1:29. Best moment in CZcams history.
Great tips. Love Sponge Bob bit. Mom of boys here
You just made my morning with that slow motion screw tub falling over, brother. "A few moments later". Lol Love it. We've all been there. Excellent videos. Shoot me the address to your local bar. Night full of cold ones on me.
I know why you put the top in first when doing drywall....baseboard covers any gap at bottom. But not when doing cement board. I just set it on the tub lip and work my way up. NO block needed.
having the first joint from the tub as high up as possible will guard against water leaks from hot showers that may penetrate the grout. plus it is easier to install the backer board, since gravity minimizes the gap between board sections, as you have stated.
What size wood auger did you use in this video?
Durock sucks. I installed two bathrooms. One with Durock the other with Perma Base. The metal frames behind the Durock were rusted when walls were removed 10 years after. The walls with Perma Base were also removed and were on perfect BRAND NEW condition.
Did the Durock have a waterproof membrane installed?
Great how-to and he's super hot! Win win
Hey great video and tips thank you so much. Would you recommend adding waterproof mixture liquid to the cement joint filler mortar?
No. You should either have plastic behind the board or paint the top with redguard.
Sounds like it could weaken the mortar. You’re missing something that repels water in with a mixture of water and mortar…sounds like trouble.
1:35 hahaha, so annoying. Well played, sir.
What about where the cement board meets the drywall. Do you put thinset and the membrane in that spot?
1:30: "gosh darn it to heck!"
Thanks, Devil
dropped box of screws is how my whole job usually go's but with plenty of beer and Xanax I eventually get it done.
On this video I notice you applied the backer board on shower wall and ceiling was not yet applied ..
So do you do backer board before ceiling?
no knee pads,, beautiful pitcher for water.
Great video, thanks for sharing. I do have a question for you though. Where the cement board butts up to the drywall, you have made a dry wall to dry wall joint. Would it also be acceptable to use the mortar and tape you are using to join the cement board, to cover the dry wall and cement board butt joints?
Michael King the reason I would use flat tape for butting up against drywall is for a smoother paintable finish. The fibatape for the Durock is a mesh so it won’t be smooth over the drywall. But, if a tile is going to cover the joint, then the mesh tape will suffice.
Thank you Mike, good information! I ended up using the mesh tape and cement board joint compound to butt the cement board to the drywall. And yes, it was not a good finish, so what it meant was I had to run another course of tile over the joint to resolve that issue. Thanks again Mike!
Sorry Mike, I mistook your name in my reply...oops.
Michael King usually you just have tile overhand the joint so it’s covered.
I forgot to mesh tape all joints and just applied thinset... Is it okay to leave like that???
So once the cement board is resting on the top of the flange, what do you use to seal that horizontal crevice where they meet?
@@shelzmike our problem is though...they did not shim out the walls...we have a large rectangular window above the tub up high. So if you try to slide the gypsum board over the tub flange it bows out and is not straight for tiling....
Thanks this helped alot.
Thanks
Sarge, what're your thoughts on Triton board?
Do you want the backer board sheets to sit flush with each other or have a 1/8” gap?
Scott Bowland cement board on the wall doesn’t need a gap between each sheet
Is that modified mapei thinset mortar?
a question, how do you test the valve if it is not leaking?
1:30 i would of yelled F@#$!!!! Then threw a fist through the board!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA
Question PLEASE
HELP!! Do you place the water board smooth side down and rough out??? Or vise versa
From what I've read, either way is okay, but I think if you're going to be tiling you can put the rougher side out, since it will have more "tooth" for the tile thin-set to stick to. If you're going to be painting, the smooth side out is probably better.
How do you deal with with tub lip to cement board transition when you plan on using a waterproofing membrane like aqua defense or hydro ban . I have seen some people use mesh tape and mortar to fill the gap and then painted it with Water proofing membrane and then used waterproofing band . What thinset to use on shower ? Thank you ,great video !
if you're not going to run the cement board over the lip of the tub (recommended, unlike in this video),you should get it to sit cleanly on the lip of the tup so there isn't much of a gap. Whatever there is, seal it with silicone and only waterproof the cement board. When you tile, the tile will hand over the cement lip. You can use modified thinset to make it bond to the lip if you want.
I'm wondering why you don't use the recommended method of cement board over the lip. Apart from the fact it's easier to do it this way, and most people opt for the easy way.
Cement board or thinset can both wick water over time its preferred to use silicone at the lip of the tub
@@frankly2677 Recommended by who? In the manufacturer instructions for my shower kit, it said to install the backer board approximately 1/16 to 1/8 of an inch above the pan lip, and to fill in the gap with silicone. It also shows the same tile installation method, with the tile overlapping the lip. The explanation I have seen before is that you don't want your backer board resting on the pan because it will then have a tendency to wick up any moister that splashes up onto it. Makes pretty good sense to me.
You make this look easy, what if I invite you over for a BBQ. I'm actually going to attempt 2 showers one is cinder block and the other 2x4 walls. I been looking into cement board instead of the sheetrock. 1 bathroom has not worked in 20 years so I'm gonna take my Stihl saw and cut the concrete floor to put new sewer pipes.
I’d be there.. sounds like a good time!
Have you tackled these projects yet? I ran into an issue with our bathroom. 2 out of the 3 walls is hollow block. What I've done so far is put thinset on the back of the durock and anchored the sheets to the block wall. I redguarded the block as well and obviously plan on doing it on the durock as well.
I’ve watched a few of your videos. They are great! I notice you don’t use knee pads. Ouch!
Sgt Donavan. I have a couple of questions. Why did you install plastic only behind the side wall of the shower and not the control side and back side? Also, why do you start the cement board from the top rather that the bottom? Thanks, I'm doing my first shower tile job and there are so far about 50 different ways and products to use.
I'm not an expert, but I believe the side wall is an exterior wall. That's why he's got batt insulation & the plastic on that wall only. You don't need either of those on interior walls.
Question is that exact cement board used for the bathroom floors? And if so do I need a vapor barrier underneath that and if so what kind? Thanks
Its the same board just the thickness is different.
do you have a video of how to install a bathtub?
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Thanks for the great info! I purchased the laticrete membrane fabric and hyrdrobarrier based on another video of yours. Can i skip the cement board tape and mud, and simply use the membrane solution over the seems and corners? Or do you have to do both?
I've seen most people use the fiberglass tape and RedGuard (or similar) versus thinset.
What brand of tub do you use?
Maaan I thought you were ready
I seen many videos and Alot of them say not to put the cement board on the lip of the tub so I’m confused
Just wondering why the writing side is facing out? Why wouldn't you put the smooth side out?
Do you install cement board below the tub? My guess is no since you have a water proof membrane above tub.
Is the music in the background original?
Note on cutting, none of that will work for .50 Hardie Cement! You will need the shears, so keep that in mind when buy fiber cement for your DIY projects!
Hey what do you mean by shears? thanks for input!
@@dylangraton7439 These shears are the same ones used for Hardie Plank Siding. They also cut the . 50 Hardie backer board.
The tub flange is usually between 1/8" and 1/4" thick. Is it acceptable for the 1/2" backerboard to sit on the tub flange, about 3/8" to 1/4" proud of the flange?
I'd love to know the answer to this. I've been searching everywhere for an answer. We built our basement bathroom to fit perfectly a 60x34 direct to stud shower pan and I can't wrap my head around the backer installation in regards to setting the tile around the edge with the board being proud of the lip like you said.
@@therising1 www.familyhandyman.com/tiling/tile-installation/tile-installation-backer-board-around-a-bathtub/ This has the best image I've seen of how it should be arranged
wendidimus . I just saw it ! Excellent representation ! Thank you for sharing this important information !!!
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Having my bathroom remodeled, the worker put up the backer board with insulation. I noticed yours have insulation behind backer board. Am I being cheated on material???
are you suppose to leave a 1/8 between cement boards for expansion?
I did not I liquid nailed bro... we will see. Just money right... hahaha
No. They do not change dimension like wood panels do.
Question: why would you bring the backer board to the top of the tub flange? Why not overlap the flange?
David Johnson The instructions on my DreamLine shower pan show the backer board sitting on top of the flange top. The tile or panels are specified to sit 1/8” above the bottom of the L-shaped flange and that small gap caulked with silicone. Other manufacturers may provide different instructions though.
If u look above on L - Linda Welch’s comment, the Vendidimus ,who answered her, attached an image, a cross section on how ideally the joint shall be.
I have been asking the same question, what is standard practice. Why wouldn't you put the backer board on tub ledge covering the flange.
Austin Hutson . In time the sealant around the tub does leak. Through capillary action the water may reach to the cement board and slowly getting absorbed by the cement board till reaching the wood frames. There shall be also an 1/8(+/-) space between board and edge of the flange to allow for the slight movement of the tub when stepped in or filled with water. Besides, if u see the picture, if u place the board over the flange then u have to add a thin sheet of plywood as thick as the thickness of the flange in order to make them level before placing the board in.
Curious about the plastic barrier and THEN your use of sealant on the backer board. I'm hearing you want to do one or the other since doing both can cause a "mold sandwich"... Seems like good measure how you're doing it but I need more information to make sure. Thanks!
warriorforestmonk it was left intact only behind the tub where it is required here. Above the tub it was sliced and perforated and not used. Some cold climates require it while warm require it on the opposite side. I have both warm and cold and can only use a retarder and not a vapor barrier.
Plastic behind boards is good. Use qualityvthin set . Skim coat with flat edge of trowel so you get an additional later of mud.
Can I use black building paper behind cement boards??
I laid roofing paper beneath the padded underlayment then Vinyl Plank Flooring. It gives it another layer of protection.
REMEMBER! this is an old video and a moisture barrier is required on top of this concrete board by your building inspector.
That’s the next video. One step at a time.
did you bury and open electric box with capped wires in left wall ? look at 3:00 min mark lol
It was actually a dead wire that was removed when the room on the other side of that wall was gutted. I’m sure it does look weird though.
You need a tool belt guy
Hey it look like you didnt sit the cement boards over top of the tub lip where the screws go into. Yours in the video looks likes its covered because I cant see the screws.
I think he has a tub protector on there
That was funny but good job anyway
impact
Shouldn't you put the band in the middle?
Why start from the top?
I don't, I like having a solid piece on the bottom, even though I mud and waterproof the seems it makes me feel better to have less seems that low.
Have you ever considered using deck tape on the studs prior to cement board install? I noticed in my shower tear down one screw was behind the grout and it was not sealed so the screw pulled water into the stud. Apparently the deck tape membrane will create a relative tight seal around the screw possibly preventing this. You think this is an overkill?
invest in an imoact driver
Darren Mcintosh I’m using an impact driver and I love it.
Why not start at the bottom?
cause that would make sense. but they do the same for drywall. i think because it is easier to measure from the floor up for the cut piece and it makes it easier to reach for mud, tape and sand. not entirely sure tho. good question. I am sure there is a good answer
I do start at bottom - always. Easier to correct an irregular cut on the ceiling end. At the shower pan/bathtub end I need a perfectly straight edge.
You would never score a sheet of perma base cement board with a utility knife atleast not 1/2 inch or 5/8ths!!
No glue?
What are you glueing?
LOL! @9:42, your using that poor homeowners lemonade pitcher? LOL! Shame on you! LOL!!!