Brand new SEPLOS BMS 10E with Bluetooth App, connects plug'n play to Victron!
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- čas přidán 13. 11. 2022
- Here is the World Premiere of the new SEPLOS BMS 10E with Bluetooth app!
How easy is it, to replace the old BMS version with the new one? How does the app connect to the BMS? Are all parameters and functions available through Bluetooth? How does the new BMS connect to the Victron Venus OS?
We will answer all these questions (and many more) and also have a detailed look at the new Bluetooth app of the SEPLOS BMS 10E.
In the second part of the video, we're going to connect the SEPLOS BMS to the Victron Cerbo GX. This is really an easy task now! The SEPLOS BMS acts like the good old battery monitor or Smart Shunt and also shows all parameters in the Victron VRM.
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Great to see SEPLOS taking feedback and implementing it into the products!
Andy! thanks again for your wonderful explanation and funny comments,,,i don't know you personally but i do embrace your sense of humor . i always watch your videos when ever i need an answer to a problem i have and your instructions lead me to the right direction . You are my guru and always learn something new for my solar projects.
Nice to see that. the Seplos BMS is now ready for use
I am using a Growatt 3000 24v unit that was donated to my channel, and frankly I hate these all in one units, there is a language barrier with support, no clear instructions on how to do firmware upgrades, no clear information on how to set battery-charge parameters etc, after seeing your sucess "and a few failures with victron" I will be going with thier gear moving forward, I am just glad I did not invest a lot of money in this all in one unit, keep the great videos coming :)
Great timing Andy. I'll be building 2x batteries for my RV soon using the 304Ah Eve cells in a 16s (48v) setup. Using all Victron, this is really nice. Looking forward to the balancing video!
Thanks Andy, great videos as always👍
Re app improvements. Better translations / more conventional terms. Eg: Monomer!
Just booted my now old Seplos Bms today! Yet to commission the system fully, waiting for a sparks to do the ac side of the Multiplus DC all done😁
I enjoy listening to you. My old boss was from Germany and reminds me of him.
Perfect video for me, just playing with the Seplos with no Bluetooth. Have 3 .So I guess most knowledge applies to it too. Thanks Andy from Czechia. I knew Seplos can be good...haha
I received 10 last week, happy to test it soon with multiple connected together
Update - i ordered 10 and the order was delayed as they were out of stock. Then the new version was released, i asked via whatsapp which version i will receive and they confirmed the new. Now after delivery, it is the old one and they dont care. Watch out what you order, customer service is not the best. And i ordered 22 in the year 2022 in total so ... a BIG dislike, they dont care what they communicate.
Another amazing video. Thx a lot. I am looking forward to how the two battery box will turn out. If multiple 10E bms will work together, I will be getting a few of those boxes.
Thanks Andy - 👍 great as usual.
Sleep well!
Love the bants with you and Joe 😎👍
Hurry up with the next video Andy! I need to order BMS's for My RV! (4x strings of 16s - 230Ah Eve Cells (they fit better than larger ones)) Will give me around 40kw to power two MP-II inverters. Gotta love victron. Except the price.
Cool!
A much waiting video!
Keep it up Andy
Hi Andy,i also use SEPLOS 10E that the Bluetooth PCB put in the main PCB not on the screen,And I can connect it in first time .❤ thank you for sharing your video, I am Lek from Thailand.
Great work as usual.
Well done on the intro.
Next level. 👍
Thanks for the tests and the report. For balancing you can lard a bit at Jens channel. It seems to work.
The battery CAN cables A and B is a bit of a mess. Different GND pinning. But in many configurations it is sufficient just to connect CAN-H and CAN-L. These pins remained at the same positions. I am using a simple UTP telephone cable for the short connection. -> Victron "VE.Can to CAN-bus BMS cables manual"
Superbe expérimentation et test de ce nouveau BMS 10E de SEPLOS, la fonctionnalité BLUETOOTH semble assez fonctionnelle, merci.
I was just using your video to figure out what screws to use for the battery terminals on my Mason. Too bad I need to now order the E version of the BMS to replace the C versions I have.
Hi Andy, glad to see some new content. I eagerly await your videos and I have seen ALL of the off-grid videos. I was wondering why during the time you were waiting for the new panels to be installed you didn't line up some of the old ones along the fence and/or on the ground to help keep your batteries fully charged. That might have relieved some of the stress of waiting for the installers. I understand if you disposed of the old panels immediately after removing them, but I would be surprised if you didn't keep some for "emergency" purposes.
Thank you.
I had the pool fence solar still connected at this time but we needed all the space on the driveway for they vehicles and trailers. I still have all of them old panels...
Thank you well done
Great video and really helpful again. Received my 10E in the week, but no Bluetooth screen with it 😢 hopefully they will sell them as a single unit for those that want to upgrade??
great video and progress even though I still have the old one before the release. I hope you might do the upgrade of the firmware on the old one too for all those that do not wanna pay 200€ for an update bms just for Bluetooth as the main new feature.
I had told you about the BT modul being part of the display cause I had gotten the seplos pdf which had explained the differences on 2 pages and how to identify the different versions.
They called the new one not 10e or so but V16 as printed on the pcb.
They really should find someone to help them with the English terms...
Yep, very inconsistent with their translation.
Yes, there is actually a specific field called technical translation. These people not only know how to translate between languages, but they're also familiar with industry-specific terms in both languages for a particular field such as software or electrical engineering. Sadly, domestic Chinese companies never seem to use their services. They're only brought in when another company OEMs the product.
you gotta love BT...
Thanks Andy
Morning all, Morning Andy.
It would be interesting to be able to see all this data in VRM Victron.
Great video Andy, quick question what you going to do with the old seplos bms, id be keen to do some testing on one
Hey, Great Video as always. How did you manage to get the bluetooth app to connect to the bms? Having the same issue.. Keep up the good work
I had the same issue and finally found the issue.
You have to activate bluetooth in the BMS with a PC and the serial -> USB adaptor...
Hi Andy. You mentioned that you had trouble connecting Bluetooth, you had discussions with seplos and established a connection. How did you finally get connection.I have the same problem with my
Scouring he comments for any hint of the remaining panels... I’m getting anxious over here! Next time you upgrade, I’m flying to SHA to do the work for you, gratis. I trust all is well, and progress is made, in my absence.
Thank you- I'm very inspired mit Seplos BMS👍.
I searching always for top quality but nothing about Sensata.
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I can't find the video mentioned in 27:07 about the Raspberry-CAN connection with the CAN-HAT.
Thank you so much!
I was waiting for this from your previous post. Eventhough your video is dramatically long.
All good stuff :)
What a nice battery!
Hi Andy!
This is a very intriguing Package! As much as I’m impressed with JK and have used it a bunch, the Ease of connecting to victron is quite nice. I wonder how it shows up with multiple batteries on the same CANbus.
From what I can find though, the distributors of the batteries & cases don’t offer the new BMS? You have to buy the new BMS additionally? Or can you provide updated links?
I’m playing with fire and badly want a 100ah battery with a 200a BMS :) just for some surges
Andy, thank you for your videoes
I have 3 x Seplos BMS in parallel, and in general works fine,
however when I switch the BMS off, it looses the setting for victron and returns to default
is this a know issue?
Does it have active balance? This is a must for big capacity diy batteries
Hi Andy, I'm building my system with Victron, which Bms do you recommend to add to the battery pack 16s that communicates with the mi cerbo gx? thank you
YES !
Hi Andy, I’ve been learning from you for a while now, thank you 🙏.
I can’t seem to find a link for the big buss bars you use, please help.
How do you cable the CAN bus for a rack of these batteries? There's only one port on the BMS.
Very good video - is there a SEPLOS BMS compatibility table with other SEPLOS BMS models - it would be a good video.... Or can I use a JK BMS on CAN with a SEPLOS on the same CAN network ?
Andy solution is to increase loads like HVAC, pool heater, water heater or even mining, I am curious what will happen if your battery completely disconnected by bms or breaker tripping. Will your charge controllers smoke or victrons can handle battery disconnection?
Andy, what If you want to install multiple BMS to one Venus OS, I think you can chain it with Cerbo, but not with the RPI Can bus right?
funny. thanks for sharing
I love loading power meters
Hi Andy, interested to see your experiments connecting 2 BMS to the Cerbo. Here is why: Today I finished my 2nd unit (CAN). First setting DIP switches and connect them together and to the PC via RS485 - worked nicely as expected. Then checking Victron Remote Console, BMS is not connected any more...huh? Switched DIP1 on master back to zero and it connects. Again DIP1 to ON and communication to Cerbo lost....
Cheers Andy 🙂
Aunt Edith says: Master DIP5 must be set and Slave DIP1. Cerbo shows one battery with the average SOC value....nice nice...
BUT: Chatting with Jerry - once you connect 2 or more BMS via RS484-CAN the communication to the PC via RS484 does not work any more. SO no monitoring on the live system without separating the communication on 2 Packs (one for CAN-Cerbo and the other for RS484-PC). Quite a bit dissapointing. I was expecting the multipack can be monitored while running in the ESS. Still Venus shows highest and lowest voltage cells in the 2 packs... thats good enough right how...
30:20 always the best and very informative
Andy one question can we connect 2 DEFRENT type of batteries in series lifepo4 and 18650 lithium ion ?
Best regards from Philippines 🇵🇭☕☕
Yes, I need to know😁
I would like to see which cells are balancing in the Bluetooth app and in the PC app.
The JK Bluetooth app looked good so maybe they could copy the layout from that.
Hi Andy, which cables of the Networkcable are the high and low that you put in the CAN HAT? the tx and the recv? And which polarity + or - ?
Grüße Norman
Hey Andy love the channel 😊
Q. I have a system employing GW inverters and am looking at better monitoring options .. I currently use the GW dongles .
The victron GX here in the states is around $340
You mentioned the raspberry route will do the same job with Home assistant .. this setup is a lot more cost effective if I haven’t missed something .. why do you have both?
Well, you need the Venus OS device (either GX or a Pi running Venus OS) to collect all the data from your Victron devices. HA then connects to your GX and reads all the data.
I have not read all comments so not sure if been answered already but Im keen to buy a few of these Mason 280 kits but is it best to contact Seplos direct when ordering to ensure you get latest 10E BMS........also is shipping reasonable to Australia/Tasmania ?? Thanks in advance for any assistance
The heater parameters look more like they are for heating up the pack with something like a heater mat. It was an option but my new board has the connector on it.
Where is the Bluetooth module? I have a 10E board but it came with the old display. Is there a place to download the app so I can see if it is on the board? Doing a Bluetooth search is bringing up 2 MAC addresses that need an app to connect but they could be from elsewhere.
Edit, I had skipped past the bit where he said it's in the display.
So now I need the upgraded display. At least we know it works with both displays.
Hi Andy and Erm, er, err, erm Joe. Nice tshirts from Joe. I have to point out, why is the bluetooth inside the case, I did notice it is behind the display where it isn't metal, fun thought. Erm did you test the cable on the old board because you might get it wrong way round, we can make mistakes even ruddy computer.
Hi Andy, I am having the same connection problem with the bluetooth that you had originally and got solved. I see in the comments that a couple of other people also have had this problem.
I would be grateful if you will share the resolve as I can't get past the data downloading screen. Thanks for any help. Great video by the way.
I had the same issue and finally found the issue.
You have to activate bluetooth in the BMS with a PC and the serial -> USB adaptor...
@@Cozmopwn Many thanks, I did this and it worked.
@@tonycrownshaw8482 I dont understand why Andy did not tell us what he did to fix it :D
Thanks Cosmopwn for your reply on this issue saved me some heartache
@@Cozmopwn where to find at the pc software?
Hi Andy, how did you sort out the bluetooth Problems? I've got the same issue. txh Erich
You said it took you a few days to get the bluetooth app working, can I ask how you got it working? Mine seems to get stuck on rescanning and nothing we do changes it.
Hey Andy so what was causing the Bluetooth app to just sit there and fail to connect I've gotten to that point but I can't get past it it says connected and then fails and says home or reconnect. This is making me pull my hair out 🤯 any help would be much appreciated sir!
Sure would be nice if you put a link to the BMS app for Android
Hi. I just got going with the app. Do you know what the constant little pop downs from the top are? Really annoying and don't seem to have a purpose or be able to be stopped!
What did you have to do to connect, I am having the same problem connecting.
Andy , whats so special of Seplos USB - RS485 adapter ? And how to install driver ?? 02 dirve dowload ?? Maybe a small vid cause alot of people want to know I guess.
I have just built my third of 4 of these batteries using this BMS this third battery wont load data but connects like the unit did in this video, how was the issue solved please Andy.
Just a question, how can you add some more Seplos Battery Sets - because you have no possibility to easily open/close the 120 OHM by any jumper at the Seplos BMS. It will not be possible to daisy chain 3 or more Seplos Battery Boxes
You only have one CAN connection from BMS to the Cerbo/Raspberry pi.
If you have 6 drawers of batteries, they use the RS-485 ports to talk together, and the single drawer connected via CAN acts as the master or controlling drawer which talks to the rest of the system via CAN.
Given that the Seplos BMS supports something like 32 linked drawers (in parallel), you'd need a LOT of battery to warrant another CAN connection.
so much nicer with Bluetooth. also awesome it talks to Victron. I have half my breakers moved to off grid panel. Taking it slow to see ow everything is working. Solar rocks. still can not figure out why I get so much from my panels on cloudy/snowy and rainy days. I think its that huge lake close by. Nobody knows why. Some say I am making it up. I am not I am super happy with the output of my solar in bad weather. Just drives me nutty because it nobody else is getting these results.
Maybe it's the Gomer Pyle effect. When the cook sold Gomer his car and began adding gas to the car to make it look like it was getting super gas mileage, then Sarge wanted the car. He got the car but then the cook started siphoning gas out of the car to make Sarge think it was getting bad gas mileage. Classic episode. Maybe that's happening to you.
@@porter5976 haha. I can video chat with anyone who wants to. Show them live what I get. It's snowing and cloudy for next week.
@@porter5976 okay I removed the film on my inverters and what do you know there is a decimal place. so I am not getting what I thought as batteries kept going down. I get 10% of what I said before. which is what I expected. dang film had me going nutty. now I know these panels in winter will not keep up with my demand in snowy/cloudy and rainy days.
I also get quite good solar on cloudy days. I believe that diffuse light likely acts a bit like a fresnel lense, and evens out shadows - a fully cloudy day, particularly when it's very high cloud, is often better than an intermittently cloudy day on an otherwise sunny day. And I mostly work in the Australian Desert, so definitely no lake impact here :)
Andy, if I have different SEPLOS BMS can I connect them all together on CAN and will that work compatibility wise ? Or should the BMS in one batter be the same as in the next (master) etc,....
The BMSes connect via RS485 to each other. Only the master is connected via CAN or RS485 to an inverter.
Seplos has got 3 different kind of BMS models:
10C: with CAN bus output
10D: with RS485 output
10E: with both
It's complicated which BMS will work with others but generally BMSes of one model work together. It all depends on what you are going to connect it to and what your intensions are...
@@OffGridGarageAustralia - with the 10E, can you connect to CAN (to talk to the inverter), and RS485 (to say, output to some other h/ware) at the same time?
@@DezFutak the Seplos BMS have only one communication port for the inverter (CAN). The other two RS485 ports are for connecting other BMS when paralleling battery banks. I don't know what protocol the BMS are using to talk to each other via these ports. It might be possible though to read the data on these ports at the same time.
Hello, I get the same error message as you when connecting to the app. What did you do to make it work? Greetings Thomas
Andy please how can I connect and choose protocol for voltronic
I don’t saw Deye inverter. Is it possible to connect to Deye?
Will both Seplos bats communicate together now? YET?
Hi, I bought the battery box from EEL battery, and the SEPLOS BMS 10E came with it (white-labeled - hahahaha). But they delivered the old LCD with it - so no Bluetooth for me 😡. Do you have a suggestion, if and where i could contact for the information if a replacement of the LCD screen with the one including Bluetooth would work and where i can order just the LCD screen?
Many thanks - BTW Very nice and entertaining Video 😉
The Seplos 10A (Andy) 😁is what they should name the revised board. (Well, only if it passes the "sniff" test! ) haha!
It's a pitty you pay big $$$ for a seplos case and 2 months later they come up with a new version. You don't mention the price but this will pretty expensive. I would like to see a clear roadmap of seplos and a longer time to market so they deliver "first time right". Tnx for video Andy.
Like# 85, caught at lunch!
I would like to have a simple button in the app were you can switch between dark/light mode.
Heya, oke that seplos bms is better already then the last 1 still mayby some updates are needed
Hello
I have the same problem as you. I can't connect to the BMS with the bluetooth.
How did you solve the problem?
I did not understand everything in the video.
Thanks in advance
fabrice
Servus ☝️😉
hast Du die Link's zum neuen Seplos
und das Gehäuse dazu....
wo Du die Teile bestellt hast ? 🤔
Grüße 🤠
Hi Andy, may I ask how did you fixed your Bluetooth issue (connection failed) in your seplos bms 10E? Thank you.
Hi, I have the same problem. Did you find the solution? I can see the pack in app but it fails to connect if I try to click on it.
@@jirka6058 i successfully connected now, i just let the bms power on for an hour then i Tried to connect again and it was successful.
Where do you get the bt app from? Whats called?
Hello Andy, Could you ask them why this version is not supporting 485 protocol between inverter and bms? or how to enable it? thanks
I've show that i have get these version a few days ago. But my PCB is talking to the PC program via RS485 without any problem!
@@Bjoern___ HI we must clarify the problem. BMS has two different interface. One is RS485 for comunicate between bms an pc and second is for comunication between bms and inverter. Second default is using CAN protocol but 10E version should support CAN and also RS485 protocol for inverter comunication. Andy shows in video, but rs485 didnt work. Not all inverter support can protocol.
Hi i will answer myself. BMS ver 10E comunicate with inverter through RS485 without problem only you must check correct pins on inverter and bms. I found big problem when you let the bms control the inverter values (pylontech protocol). Inverter use these values for start and stop charging values. Battery bulk charging voltage-(stop charging) and Battery float charging voltage-(start charging). Bms has one parameter - 14 Total_voltage overvotage protection.
So if you have on inverter pylontech bat protocol, bms setup bulk and float charging voltage on the same level as overvoltage protection. If you have off-grid it can be dangerous for your mppt because bms cut charging when current is about 10 A and if you havent connected load your mppt can be destroyed.
Why seplos did not create separately fields for setup bulk and float values? Why they use overvoltage protection value for this??? 🤔
Hello sir. I have a question that I would like you to answer: Can I install 15 cells into the Seplop 48100-1101-10E-SEC06-16S BMS circuit? I am very happy and look forward to your answer.
Wishing you health and happiness.
if you got 10E, is not automaticly with bluetooth. The sale also 10E with the old Display and then is without bluetooth.
Where to get the new one with Bluetooth?
@@tanishqbhaiji103 i dont know. I think at the moment only some for youtubers. I have 10E but witout bluetooth. i hope i can order Display seperate.
3:40 I am still wondering why we have to disconnect the "+" first. The internet always tells me to disconnect the "minus" first.
Hello.
Can not find that model yet in seplos alibaba store. Is it available already or is it Andy’s special at the moment? :)
Please post a link to that device if is available there.
Thanks
I just received the 14s NCM board which is 10E but it cane with the old display. I have not got the app to test it though. It didn't come with any paperwork.
Ordered the kit in october. Unfortunately no Bluetooth on my BMS. I asked for it, but is was not available until half of november... And my order was already on transport. 😔
Yeah, there was a cut off time and this BT BMS is brand new. They just started shipping. It's not a deal breaker...
@@OffGridGarageAustralia once the setup is done I don't really have a need for the bluetooth I think. There is a JK on in right now, haven't connected to it once since it is in place...
@@bramsoff-grid that's what I found too. It's just for the setup...
Does thi Seplos BMS 10E work with Apple IOS phone? I just finished building a EEL 16S battery with 13KW but cannot get my Iphone or my macbook pro computer to see the Seplos BMS>
Yes, the BT app does work with Apple iOS.
If the Bluetooth module is on the display module, doesn’t it mean than we can just swap out display module from a 48100 unit with the new one and have Bluetooth connectivity ? I
Can Seplos also add: 1. A balancing current worthy of 280Ah? I'm not sure what that would be... 10A? 2. Make the 280Ah case a proper rack mount kit
EEL Battery has somehow the same box. But with screw terminals... not sure about other differences or prices 😮
Ciao, sto provando l'applicazione bluetooth ma non trovo il dispositivo pur avendo attivato la comunicazione bluetooth. Come sei riuscito a farla funzionare?
Grazie !
Die Kommunikation via BMS-CAN sollte ja identisch mit den pylontech Akkus sein. Die habe ich Samstag in Betrieb genommen und es funktioniert auch ohne Terminierung der offenen Ports. Ich musste nur den ve.can zum multiplus terminieren.
Please, add this time the thermal transfer pad, the blue rubber gum :-) between the heatsink and front plate
There was no chewing gum in the box. It's only for the 200A version of the BMS, I believe.
@@OffGridGarageAustralia somehow i remember you had that in the past videos and didnt know what to do with it ? i dont know other versions, i had 7x 200A from May delivery and now 10x 200A but not built yet.
@@patrickmartin4482 I was just joking. I'm very aware what that pad is for. I just call it Chinese chewing gum😁
@@OffGridGarageAustralia I have the 150A version and it also came with the chewing gum.
@@hoffinb Hmmm, the BMS in the 280Ah kit came with one, but not the new BMS. I'll clarify this with Seplos if necessary or not.
Hallo
Kannst du mir folgende Fragen beantworten?
Welches BMS würdest du empfehlen?
JK, Seplos V16, PACE?
Braucht man für das entsprechende einen zusätzlichen Balancer z.B. 5A Heltec oder Neey V4 4A?
Ich möchte das ganze an einen 12kw Deye anschließen und an einen 16S 14,3 kw/h EVE Akku!
Nimm das JK-BMS, das hat einen 2A aktiven Balancer integriert. Funktioniert phantastisch.
off-grid-garage.com/battery-management-systems-bms/
@@OffGridGarageAustralia Danke schon mal.
Das Heist bei einem JK-BMS würde man keinen zusätzlichen Balancer benötigen? Hast du auch erfahrung mit der Kommunikation zum 12er Deye? Funktioniert das auch?
@@bstaab2590 Kein extra Balancer noetig, nein.
Keine Ahnung ob das JK auch mit dem Deye spricht. Es hat aber RS485 und auch CAN (beim Kauf drauf achten!). Guck dazu mal im DIYSolar Forum.
@@OffGridGarageAustralia Hi darf ich dich noch mal was fragen?
Hast du dir je eigentlich Gedanken gemacht bevor du bei Alibaba bestellt hast, oder sind meine Bedenken völlig unbegründet? Was passiert z.B. eigentlich wenn mit einem Artikel z.B. Akku oder BMS Probleme gibt z.B. Transport Schaden, oder sonst irgendwelche unverschuldete Schäden? Warst du schon mal in der Situation irgendwelche Gewährleistung Ansprüche zu stellen? Wie oder mit was bezahlst du immer?
Where did you get the app for it what's the name