Oh GOD??! *Star Trek 5 The Final Frontier* Movie Reaction! First Time Watching
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- Come join me as we sit around the camp fire and speak to god?
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The line from Kirk about dying alone hits different when you realize that between the 3 of them, Bill is the only one left alive. 😞
Wow that is crazy sad
For all of this movie’s well documented issues, it does have a couple of things going for it. The Kirk Spock McCoy scenes are some of the best in all of the movies. Their chemistry together is unmatched here. Add in a beautiful Jerry Goldsmith score as well!
Completely agree my fav parts
I love the camping scenes, Laurence Luckinbill's portrayal, the "show me your pain" scene, and the comedic elements. Definitely watchable, but not up there with the even-numbered offerings.
Not to worry, 6 is a banger!
10:45
Fun Fact:
The actress playing the crew member, handing Kirk his jacket , William Shatner's daughter, Melanie Shatner
Star Trek V is a bit of an odd duck. It was hurt heavily by ILM (which had done the effects for the last three films) being unavailable, a teamsters strike, a writer's strike, budget cuts, studio meddling... It was a huge mess.
For my own part, while it's certainly not on my list of favorites, I think that it does have some virtues, like the Kirk-Spock-McCoy dynamic. And, of course, "What does God need with a starship?"
In fact, I actually did my own redo of VFX for the movie. :) It wasn't perfect, but many thought it was a great improvement over the original VFX. :D
Probably my favorite line of the whole movie.
Star Trek V is Shatner's love-letter to The Original 60's series. Focus on the Big Three main characters, going down to a planet, fist-fights, breaking the galactic barrier, alien-hued skies, taking on a god, etc. It's a TOS episode with a big budget.
"Why is she walking up and down the stairs?" Because that's the direction she got from Shatner.
Oh really 😂
@@WillTalksMovies It' an assumption - it's Shatner's first time directing a film - either she did it and he was satisfied with it or he told her to do it that way.
And if I have your attention again. I'll explain what the problem is when we get there but four recent reactors* to the Original Series say they regret watching The Cage first. When I first watched Star Trek it wasn't available.
* Target Audience (Alex & Josh) already on TNG, Warp Rector - just starting season two, Irish Guy - just about to finish season one. All of them sprung the seroes on us without warning and all the comments from viewers were, "I wish you hadn't watched that first." When they got there they all said, "You were right."
The video is based on the kinds of terrorist kidnapping videos that were common at the time, usually the subject of the video would walk around to show that the captives were unharmed but held under duress by superior firepower. Since the whole point of this film is cultism and religious fanaticism, I always saw it through that lens and never thought her walking was odd.
@@WillTalksMovies She needed a pee, but was live so had to say what she said.
@@JAYWALKER1000 I hate to burst your bubble. Especially since you've gotten a lot of the things you just said right. But you are wrong about this being William Shatner's first film. It is his first theatrical movie but he has directed several TV shows including his own hit series TJ Hooker.
In fact Leonard Nimoy was worried that he would do a bad job directing Star Trek III that he asked William Shatner if he could direct at least one episode of TJ Hooker to help him learn the directing ropes.
11:10
Another Fun Fact:
The Admiral that's giving kirk his orders is played by producer Harve Bennett
I love this movie so much! I acknowledge the dialogue and graphics are definitely rough but the themes about personal pain is such a great and underrated Star Trek moment!
I agree I thought this movie was very strong when I watched it :)
I'm happy you enjoyed it. I've always appreciated the camp fire scene and the kinship of the Star Trek crew. Ironically, of the three in the camp fire scene, William Shatner is the only one that has not passed away.
If I recall correctly, the woman assisting to Kirk on the bridge when they first arrive from camping and when he's doing his Captain's log is Bill's real life dsughter.
I believe she is his youngest daughter, Melanie.
P.S. As it turns out, she also played the female jogger that got blown back by a gust of air when the cloaked Klingon ship lifted off near the end of Star Trek IV on their way to track the whales in the ocean.
@@CanuckGod I'm not sure about that. But I am sure that she was the dirty girl William Shatner picked up handheld in the Star Trek episode Miri.
@@BondFreek Memory Alpha seems to believe she was that woman, so I'll take their word for it. Also, you're incorrect, the dirty girl that was picked up is Shatner's middle daughter Lisabeth. Shatner's oldest daughter and child Leslie also played one of the Onlies in that same scene. Melanie was only 2 years old at the time and did not feature in that episode.
This is why I say watch everything and go in with an open mind because you're quite likely to have different feelings about the movies than everyone else. I know I do
6:25
When Chekov made the comment to Sulu about not telling Uhura that they were lost and they'd never live it down, it's because Sulu is the helmsman and Chekov is the navigator
It's my favourite scene in the film. Just the two of them bickering with each other like an old married couple that have been together for way too long.
Spot-on reaction. I've always been able to find the "wisdom" in even the less-popular episodes. This one is still true to the TOS ethos. How many times did beings with "god-like" qualities interact with the Enterprise crew? (Charlie X, Trulane, Adonais, the Metrons, and the list goes on...) Let's not forget TNG and beyond as well. John de Lancie made a career out of the trope.
Yeah, I think Will's unfamiliarity with the TOS episodes may have worked against him here a bit, because that definitely was a recurring theme: Powerful beings who either pretended to be gods, or were mistaken for them. The novelization of Star Trek V does make it more clear that this "God" they found was not the real thing either.
The graphic novel and novelization for this movie had something that was not in the final version of this film. When they are speculating at the end if God was truly out there, Bones had a line that went something like: "Maybe the Great Barrier wasn't designed to keep us out, but to keep that thing in. Wouldn't that imply the existence of a greater power? Maybe not God as we know it, but something we haven't thought of yet?" The novelization also went on about how the evil being reached out through space and touched Sybok's mind as a child, putting in his head the idea of seeking out God's existence and location, putting him on the path of being a renegade Vulcan.... This wasn't one of the better Treks (the union strikes and other issues like the FX company they had to settle on are a whole other topic) but it was ambitious in trying to delve deeper into the relationships of the characters...
We do know that Vulcans can sometimes sense powerful consciousnesses in deep space. Spock sensed the Vulcan crew of the Intrepid in "The Immunity Syndrome" and felt a calling from V'Ger in the first movie. Sybok almost certainly had a similar calling from this "god" entity.
Yep, I love this movie too despite its faults. It has interesting themes, a fantastic score, and the Kirk, Spock, McCoy stuff is all spot on and lovely. The scene where McCoy and Spock share their pain and Kirk refuses is wonderful stuff. I maintain DeForest Kelley was a wonderful actor and he was so darn good in that scene. Oh, and Kirk asking what does God need with a starship is awesome and SO very Kirk. 😂 I just wish the script had maybe had another pass or two to iron out some issues and they could have gotten ILM back for the fx. Still, I'll take Trek 5 as is any day over all modern Trek from 2009 onwards.
I agree the share the pain scene is one of my favourites scene of Star Trek so far
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28:50 My personal theory is that we (the audience) are seeing the planet for what it actually is (a desolate place) while the characters are each seeing their own versions of paradise.
Sounds like something that would happen in a wormhole. ;)
That's exactly correct. That's even in the novel. It stated that Sybok saw the paradise he always dreamed about. However, Kirk saw the planet for what really was. That's why Kirk had a confused look on his face when's Sybok said it looks exactly the way he had imagine it
Vulcan is an arid, desert planet of red rock cliffs. Why wouldn't Sybok's vision of paradise remind him of the home that he had been exiled from?
5:09
"Why Are They So Important?"
They're the representatives from the Federation, the Romulan Empire, and The Klingon Empire
32:30 "When did God ever say that in the Bible?"
The Flood. Sodom and Gomorrah. The Killing of the Firstborn.
Kinda his signature move in the Old Testament, really.
Everything apart from new trek is worth watching in my view. Everything before 2005. You should watch all of the series as well, you need content, and there is alot of us who enjoy tagging along. Unless you only want movies here :-)
Well that’s good to hear, I’m considering either watching all TOS or TNG what do you think?
I am TNG generation personally, so I can recommend that, but many purists would behead me for not recommending TOS first :-) If you prefer only films on this channel, I have seen youtubers make a seperate channel for shows too. But it is all rather good, some poor episodes here and there, but generally good and even outstanding at times.
Totally agree - Real Trek runs up to 2005 when Enterprise series ended.
@WillTalksMovies The simple answer is while both series are excellent and great viewing, you can get away with watching a handful of TOS episodes while that's more difficult with TNG, especially if you plan on watching (at some point in time) Deep Space Nine, Voyager, The TNG movies, Enterprise, and Picard.
To elaborate, TNG still has stand alone episodes like TOS, but many episodes also build a solid continuity. You don't have to watch _every_ episode of TNG, but you have to watch a lot of them.
Then DS9 comes along and you do need to watch every episode.
Voyager, in my opinion, it's back to only needing a handful of episodes.
Enterprise, after the pilot, you skip right to seasons 3 & 4.
Picard, you only need to watch season 3.
Also, if you are going directly into Star Trek VI after this, you should rewatch it on your own time after you watch TNG, there will be references you missed.
Best Regards!
@@tomre2769 Yeah, I made my pitch for TOS. I'm not only a purist, but an old fart born under Sputnik who grew up with it. Like the poster says...
"The Final Frontier" really is one of those films where, if you go into it without any preconceived expectations, it's actually better than its reputation would suggest. I think its main flaws, really, are that (A) there's a lot going on in the characters' heads, which is hard to show visually (the novelization is much better in that respect; you get a lot more insight into the characters' reasons for deciding to follow Sybok and why he believes what he does), (B) a lot of studio interference that forced a few too many rewrites and compromises from the original concept, and (C) an ending that had to be cobbled together in the studio after a key prop failed to work properly on location and Paramount wouldn't give Shatner any more time or money for an extra couple of days on location to get it working as intended. (Paramount were being a bit stingy with the budgets at that time, IIRC.)
In fact, Klingon is a full on language that can be learned. lol
8:34 One of the new Star Trek series, Strange New Worlds, actually did the first musical episode of Star Trek in season 2, which aired last year.
That’s an excellent reaction you know I’ve I’ve been on for a lot of years and I’m a big Star Trek fan and I know a lot of Star Trek fans throughout the years. I’ve been to conventions and they’ve all said that this was one of the worst Star Trek movies ever I like it nobody else does, but you got it. People people have booed William Shatner because he was the Director of this movie. They said he ruined it. He ruined the movie he was in the middle of writer strike it was when they’re making this movie he did the best he could. They kept saying it’s terrible special effects. It’s a terrible movie. The script is terrible but you got it. You got the whole thing you understood it all and appreciate it. You’re the first person I’ve ever known who’s ever appreciated the movie for what it is, thank you thank you and as far as what you should do for the rest of the time if I were you, I’d finish the Star Trek original Star Trek movies with six and then go back to the original series to see why they earned the movies they got because if you rewind into the generation movies first without seeing the show, you won’t appreciate it much you do these Cause the next generation movies are based on their own shows. Do you wanna do it up to you because you got it when nobody else did so maybe you can do it you can watch the movies without watching the show but I think if you watch Star Trek next generation, the next generation movies That’s it if you want to thank you so much for giving it a chance. Thanks for the fun until next time.
If I had such things as guilty pleasure movies, this would be on it. To be honest, I would love to have had a movie of just Kirk, Spock and Bones on shore leave
Really glad you liked this one and picked out the positive parts! I think there is a renewed appreciation for ST5 for things like Bones/Spock "pain" scenes.
You asked in the very beginning if you recommend watching any of ST:TNG *before* watching the ST7:Generations film and I 100% think so. Even if you only watch a couple standalone TNG episodes, I think you'll appreciate all those TNG movies more! You can honestly even jump to whatever Season 3/4/5/6 episode that has good ratings because Season 1/2 are known to be rockier (unless you want to do a full run-thru ♥)
The character of Spock's half brother, Sybok (pronounced sigh-bock) was played by Laurence Luckinbill. Originally, Sean Connery was offered the role, but the shooting schedule conflicted with another film that he was already committed to - "Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade". The planet on which "God" is imprisoned was named "Sha-ka-ree" in his honor ("sha-ka-ree" sounds like Sean Connery).
By the way, I'm all for you continuing with the "Star Trek" movies and shows. No other reactor that I've seen has gone past "Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country".
If you decide not to watch the complete TOS (which only ran for 3 years), please make sure to include the following:
Journey to Babel
City on the Edge of Forever
Amok Time
The Trouble With Tribbles
The Empath
The Naked Time
I’m sure others will have other suggestions, these to me are among the best and most important ones. Please remember that TOS was created from 1965 to 1969. It may look hookie now, but it was cutting edge THEN.
I'd love for you to watch some of the Original Series, and some episodes of "Star Trek The Next Generation" are almost essential watching before the 7th film and onwards.
Well after movie 6 I’m planning on watching all of either TOS or TNG what do you think?
@@WillTalksMovies if you're committed to watching all of one of them, personally I'd suggest The Next Generation.
I would go with TOS first as a foundation
@@WillTalksMovies Since the series are episodic you don't really need to watch them in their entirety, I'd rather recommend the Top 10 or 20 (determined by a poll but I have a good idea which episodes will come out on top:) of both TOS and TNG.
@@boristurovskiy351 I would honestly agree with this. There are some KEY episodes of TOS and TNG that are great world and character-building.
I only meant to say "watch TNG instead of TOS" IF there was the commitment to watch ONLY ONE of them.
New subscriber! If you will watch Star Trek The Original Series from start to finish, I will be very happy to watch each and every episode with you😮😊! The original series started it all! You do not know what you are missing having not seen it.
Firstly thank you very much. secondly Star Trek original series episode 1 out tomorrow:)
20:00 if you had watched the original series before embarking on the movies you would know that Vulcans were violent people who almost destroyed themselves.
In the Vulcan named Sirak discovered that through disciplined add mental focus that he could suppress his emotions and the violent tendencies disappeared when he did so.
Through hard work and lots of loss of life his philosophy spread throughout all of Vulcan and as a result they save their race from the Doomsday weapons day designed.
Sybok believe that Vulcans take it too far. His philosophy was to only suppress violent emotions.
In doing so Sybok discovered a unique form of mind meld that allows him to manipulate people.
The four Next Generation films require some back story to understand fully.
Encounter at Farpoint
Datalore
Skin of Evil
Measure of a Man
Q Who
The Offspring
Yesterday's Enterprise
Sins of the Father
The Best of Both Worlds pt1&2
Family
Brothers
Reunion
Redemption pt1&2
Unification pt1&2
I, Borg
Inner Light
Descent pt1&2
These all have elements that are picked up in the films or important character points. Just my recommendations though.
Except for "The Offspring" your picks are all on my list as well, but I've added several more.
It would be helpful to know just how much STNG he's willing to watch before finishing the movies. 🤔
21:33 some people find Scotty banging his head funny, I find it stupid and hate this scene.
If it makes you laugh great I'm glad you enjoyed it.
Finish through star trek 6--- watch the Tos,animated,Tng then the Tng movies is my recommendation. Sybok: a title for him V' tosh ka' tur- the knowledge and experience were forbidden by Vulcan belief. (2) Probably non- canon '( from the novel) McCoy: what's with you,Jim? Yesterday you tried to kill us both in the rapids! And today you throw yourself off the side of the mountain. Are you really that anxious to meet your maker?
This movie is widely regarded as the "worst" of the original Star Trek movies. And sure, it is, but it's still a lot of fun! This is the one and only Star Trek movie William Shatner wrote and directed, and it was fun to see his vision for the Star Trek universe just this once! And you just can't go wrong with Kirk, Spock, and Bones! They all had some great scenes together, and the character development they each got in this movie is really good!
Some fun facts about this movie for you: Shatner wanted Sean Connery to play Sybok originally, but he was unavailable because he was filming "Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade". But the name of the Vulcan afterlife was still a reference to him: Sha'Ka'Ree....Sean Connery....get it?
Also, after Shatner couldn't get Sean Connery for Sybok, he was watching some late-night soap operas and stumbled across Lawrence Luckinbill. He was impressed with his performance and ended up hiring him to play Sybok. Which was a great decision! He was fantastic in that role!
Anyway, the next Star Trek movie is really great! Can't wait to see you check that one out!
I actually really like this one even though it does suffer from studio interference especially close to the end of the movie.
Nevertheless in my opinion this is probably the Star Trek movie that is closest to how the original series was.
Sybok is not necessarily a villain but rather an antagonist not acting out of malice but because he is absolutely convinced that what he does will eventually be for the benefit of everyone. And once he discovers that he has been wrong all along he does what is in his power to atone for what he did.
Also the movie has many great scenes, among them my favorite character moments in the entire franchise, which are the scene when Sybok frees Bones from the guilt he is feeling towards his Dad, and the scene in the beginning when they are camping, which is a great scene because even someone who doesn't know Star Trek will instantly get the dynamic between the three main characters.
In the end it really comes down to only one single question for me: Am I having fun watching the movie?
And for me the answer is definitely "Yes!".
The studio probably forced Shatner to put in all that comedic crap like "Hold your horse, Captain" due to the success of the previous film. If there were fewer throwaway comedy bits, this film would not have been trashed as much.
You have one movie left with this crew. This is your channel. You’re the boss. But if I may be so bold as to make a suggestion? Watch Star Trek: The Next Generation after Star Trek VI. The show is FANTASTIC. If you dont have time to watch the whole series, maybe the top 6, or even 10 of each season? Just a thought.
Yes, I plan to either watch TOS or TNG it seems likely I will watch some of the good episodes of TOS and then watch most of TNG
I think you should go from ST6 to the reboot movies with Chris Pine. If you're going to Next Generation, watch some key episodes of the tv series before the TNG movies. I'm sure the viewers will be happy to provide sugggestions.
I'd rather see TNG eps and movies before JJ's movies... tbh
Just watch Generations, It has 3 of the original crew in it :)
Would love to see you watch the shows - I'm not concerned if you do it in release order or production order - just don't watch The Cage (which they list as the first episode in both cases). The Cage wasn't seen by the public until way after the last episode of TOS - and seeing it first ruins a later episode - watch it after you've seen all of TOS.
I saw all of the Trek movies in the theater, and I didn’t like this entry for years, but have been enjoying re-watches of it more and more.
Your enthusiasm in watching it with fresh eyes has given me even more appreciation for the good things in it (even though there’s still plenty of bad in it). 😉
Well I’m glad I can help you enjoy it that little bit more :)
Yes! Do The Next Generation series! Or at least the best of the series.
DO NOT COMPARE KLINGONS TO DONALD TRUMP. KLINGONS BOTH HAVE HONOR AND KNOW HOW TO USE IT IN A SENTENCE.
If you are trying to decide between TOS or TNG I would go with TNG. You wouldn’t need to watch all the episodes. There is a list of episodes that would be a good foundation for the movies and a good list of episodes for a foundation if you want to get into the other series in the future. No matter what you choose there is good content. It all depends on the amount of time you want to devote to it.
Yes, please react to Star Trek VI, then the series episodes, then the following movies!
Series episodes as TNG OR TOS?
They almost certainly mean TNG episodes, because you already watched the TOS movies without watching a bunch of the important TOS episodes.
@@WillTalksMovies All or nearly all TOS, at least the best of TAS, and maybe the best 10 of each season of TNG. I know it'll take a long time, but worth it. Target Audience and a handful of others are watching every episode of every series and the movies all in release order. They've guaranteed their employment here up to, like, 2030, lol.
@@CosmicBPlug Well, no, because he should see the best of TNG before continuing on with TNG movies, but he missed *so much great stuff!* by not watching TOS or TAS.
I hope you will watch the Star Trek series in release order, especially because you know and like Spock, Kirk, and the gang already, but also because it establishes things about the setting that are foundational for what comes after--even though the pre-home-TV-recording-technology shows are episodic. I've seen that reactors who start with later series tend to get confused, and at least to me, thats frustrating because it's unnecessary and self-imposed.
32:50 as you and Spock just said he's not God! He didn't even seem to be God until Sybok call him God in Vulcan. Your guess about this being the devil is 100% right. He's the devil. The devil often makes himself look like something beautiful and mind-boggling to fool people.
Not really the devil, just a malevolent alien being that was imprisoned on this planet. lol
@@ChrissonatorOFL changing the character from being the devil to Justin evil being what is the doing of Harve Bennett. He was afraid that people would walk out of the theater if the crew of the Enterprise finally found 100% proof that God exists.
This is pretty much my least liked ST film, but it is still pretty good in parts and has a lot to say. Plus, the character interactions are right up there. My dislike is that the plot is so very contrived, more so than any other ST movie.
Of course finish this run with ST VI, which is my favorite. You will have gone thru 6 adventures with this crew, all different and addressing different aspects of life. Some have talked about life and death, others the balance of logic and emotion, what the Federation is all about and how they interact with others. If you like the variety of stories and topics, go back to the original series and see the 79 episodes that I grew up with. No particular spoilers here, you can reasonably expect the following science fiction menu: time travel and crossing dimensions, more about all the aliens you have met, more humor, more character interactions, super powerful aliens and how to deal with them, parallel earths and historical rhymes, and all the things you have enjoyed in these movies. There were many writers and directors doing the various shows, with different styles and points of emphasis. They created a body of work that showcased an understanding of science, history, politics, and human nature that addressed timeless issues still relevant. Eh, that's my pitch.
These are NOT my personal picks.
This list includes all episodes that give you the background you'll need before you get into the STNG movies, and all episodes that IMDb has rated a 7 or higher on their 1-10 scale.
This also includes episodes which are sequels to other listed episodes regardless of rating.
I've also included all of MAMoreno's additional picks as long as they rated a 7 or more.
(Honestly, a list of which ones NOT to watch would have been much shorter, 54 total.)
I've also included STNG's worst-rated episode (that isn't a clip show), simply because it would be fun to see you react to it. I HOPE NO ONE SPOILS WHICH EPISODE THAT IS!
This should give you the "full experience" without having to waste time on stinkers...
...but keep in mind:
Star Trek is like sex. Even when it's bad, it's still worth watching. 😁
My updated recommendations (in order):
SEASON 1 (10 omitted)
Encounter at Farpoint (pilot)
The Naked Now
Where No One Has Gone Before
The Battle
Hide and Q
Haven
The Big Goodbye
Datalore
11001001
Coming of Age
Heart of Glory
The Arsenal of Freedom
Symbiosis
Skin of Evil
Conspiracy
The Neutral Zone
SEASON 2 (11 omitted)
Where Silence Has Lease
Elementary, Dear Data
The Schizoid Man
A Matter of Honor
The Measure of a Man
Contagion
Time Squared
Q Who
Samaritan Snare
The Emissary
Peak Performance
SEASON 3 (8 omitted)
The Ensigns of Command
The Survivors
Who Watches the Watchers?
The Bonding
Booby Trap
The Enemy
The Defector
The Hunted
Deja Q
Yesterday's Enterprise
The Offspring
Sins of the Father
Allegiance
Captain's Holiday
Tin Man
Hollow Pursuits
Sarek
The Best of Both Worlds 1
SEASON 4 (7 omitted)
The Best of Both Worlds 2
Family
Brothers
Remember Me
Reunion
Future Imperfect
Data's Day
The Wounded
Devil's Due
Clues
First Contact
Galaxy's Child
Night Terrors
The Nth Degree
Qpid
Drumhead
Half a Life
In Theory
Redemption 1
SEASON 5 (6 omitted)
Redemption 2
Darmok
Ensign Ro
Silicon Avatar
Disaster
The Game
Unification 1
Unification 2
A Matter of Time
New Ground
Conundrum
Power Play
Ethics
Cause and Effect
The First Duty
The Perfect Mate
I, Borg
The Next Phase
The Inner Light
Time's Arrow 1
SEASON 6 (2 omitted)
Time's Arrow 2
Realm of Fear
Relics
Schisms
True Q
Rascals
A Fistful of Datas
The Quality of Life
Chain of Command 1
Chain of Command 2
Ship in a Bottle
Face of the Enemy
Tapestry
Birthright 1
Birthright 2
Starship Mine
Lessons
The Chase
Frame of Mind
Suspicions
Rightful Heir
Second Chances
Timescape
Descent 1
SEASON 7 (10 omitted)
Descent 2
Gambit 1
Gambit 2
Phantasms
Attached
Inheritance
Parallels
The Pegasus
Homeward
Sub Rosa
Lower Decks
Thine Own Self
Genesis
Preemptive Strike
All Good Things 1 & 2
Omg this is amazing thank you, I would love to react to as much of TNG as possible. Don’t want to be a pain could you create a larger list with where the movies fit into this also? Truly grateful 🙏
@@WillTalksMovies Larger? Wow. I wasn't expecting that.
My list already has everything you'll need for the movies.
I will update my list to include all episodes that IMDb has ranked higher than a 7 on a 1-10 scale.
Do you want the IMDb ratings included or would you prefer to not know?
@@MrDeathpilot prefer not to know but I’m willing to watch all episodes just depends if people want to see that
@@WillTalksMovies IMDb's ratings have been pretty consistent with "Target Audience" and my own personal opinions.
I think the "7 and above" in addition to the "movie info" episodes will be criteria enough to avoid the stinkers.
...although I will say that reactions to bad episodes can also be fun to watch.
@@MrDeathpilot I kinda want the full experience
I'm so glad you enjoyed this film. It is quite a fun romp! Even though I did previously say that it might be as strong as previous movies, I love the fun of the movie and the scenes between Kirk, Spock and McCoy. I love how Sybock, the bad guy, isn't really so bad at all. And as a Baptist Deacon, I think one of the main themes of this movie is a warning about following false gods and an important reminder of how the one true God is actually in our hearts--He is The Holy Spirit within all of us! It's quite a spot-on message and I have frequently used this as an example in several of my Sunday School lessons. I remember going to see this movie on opening night at a local drive-in theater... coincidentally, this was the last movie i ever saw in a drive-in. Again, very exciting to see when I was young. But the next film is quite a banger and a beautiful send off for our heroes.
So, from my humble opinion, my suggestion is to watch/react to Star Trek 6 and maybe see a few select episodes of The Original Series (cast around a few feelers and votes and questions to compile a list of top 5 or 10 classic episodes or maybe even a Livestream discussion). Then perhaps see a few of the best episodes of Star Trek: The Next Generation and then continue on with the movies.
No matter what, it's quite fun to see your reactions, so glad to see how much you have been enjoying Star Trek. And as a lifelong Trekkie I just want to say welcome to the fan community! I hope you continue enjoying this franchise!
Thank you so much means a lot, there is just so many aspects I enjoy about it and especially during editing the video it allows me to analyse the movie even more
Which is ironic, since Shatner is basically a non-religious person, he connects more with the Jewish culture than the religious side. Gene Roddenberry, Star Trek's creator was an atheist. In fact, Gene fought against the addition of a chapel being added to the Enterprise, someone said "we need it for the wedding scene" and he basically said "no we don't."
Unfortunately, he had to compromise, so they put some pudgy looking cross on the wall behind the podium. His position was that by this time, humans had dropped all supertitious beliefs and were ultimately better for it, since they ended up actually working to better humanity than hope it gets better by turning to a supernatural being.
Keep going, but you should watch episodes of The Next generation TV show before continuing on. At least a few episodes from each season. It will make great content for your channel and will give you some important context before carrying on to the TNG movies!
I agree thank you
Uhura's fan dance.
Luckily, I have never based what I watch on critic reviews. I find some of the best reviewed movie boring and predictable. In fact, a lot of the movies and shows I like never reviewed well, but I'm not a sheep, so I don't follow the herd.
33:13 he wasn't trapped!
He was imprisoned and he's not a god! "For an eternity I have been imprisoned in this place!" The key word is "imprisoned"!
He didn't turn evil because he was stuck on this planet. He was cast out into this planet because he was already evil.
Try paying attention to the dialogue.
So, the explanation was fine, and needed, but... do you think maybe you could remember that first time reactors are in the heat of the moment, don't have the dialogue memorized from 10+ watches, and feel compelled to comment as they watch? That last comment of yours is lacking just a little bit of empathy for a dude who is trying to entertain you and give you that feeling of watching it again for the first time.
@@dipperjc It's not that hard of a movie to follow.
I saw it when it was first released in the theater and understood everything instantly because I paid attention to what was happening and what was being said. You don't need a photographic memory or to watch the movie at 10 or 20 times to know what the story is about. You just have to use your "little gray cells" (Agatha Christie).
When the audience saw this movie for the first time back in 1989 we all knew that (1) he wasn't God or any god because we paid attention to the way he the energy creature acted and by Spock's dialogue. He said it with clear precision and practically repeated the fact that this wasn't God. We knew that the creature needed to get off the planet because he kept on screaming for the ship. We knew that he was imprisoned because he said he was imprisoned. And we knew that he was evil because he had an evil laugh and the way he held his head when he adapted Sybok's face.
We didn't need to see multiple times because the actors were great actors.
They didn't mumble, they didn't hesitate and they hit their marks right on the money.
All we need to do was pay attention.
This wasn't rocket science and it wasn't trying to remember everything in the novel War and Peace. Heck the whole scene wasn't even at the beginning of the movie which is easier to forget. It was the climax. How can you not remember and understand what's going on in the climax?
What happened to learning how to think and pay attention?
I think maybe we ought to take away all your kids' computers because it just seems to make you not want to learn or pay attention to anything.
I get mad because every one of you is at least in their early twenties and when I was a 8 years old I remembered everything I saw in the movie that I saw only once in the theater. In my day we didn't have multiple repeat playing except on TV shows at weird hours.
You see a movie in the theater you had to wait for.2-5 years to see it on TV. And then there was no repeats for at least a year.
Middle class could not afford a video cassette recorder. So if we wanted to see a movie again we had a hope that it got re-released into the theater or keep buying the TV guide until the movie we wanted to see what's scheduled to air on television. Even then there was no guarantees. Lots of times we missed out on a movie we wanted to see because the President wanted to make a speech. When that happened not only did we miss out on our television movie but other TV shows that we loved. All three networks covered the president's speech and PBS add repeats of political discussions that was relevant to the speech.
So don't give me this crap about needing to see it multiple times understand the movie or needing to pay attention to the dialogue.
This one, while certainly the worst of the classic movies by far, is also the closest, in spirit (and, I must say, in the quality of special effects...) to the classic series. And poses a couple of interesting questions. I don't like it, but I can't hate it.
Star Trek V gets so much hate. But when you look at the messages in it today compared to the dross being put out in cinemas, you really start to release it doesn't warrant the hate it gets.
I'm so glad you enjoyed Star Trek V: The Final Frontier! This is my favorite out of all the Trek movies. Sure it has flaws but no one can change my mind.
It’s one of mine also :)
Going forward there is something important to know
After Star Trek 6 the movies switch focus to the crew from the show “The Next Generation”.
In order to actually understand what’s going on there are 3 episodes of TNG that you need to watch:
“Q Who” and “The Best of Both Worlds” parts 1 and 2.
Do you think I should watch all of TNG up to the movies?
TNG is seven seasons long, it would take a LONG time to get through it.
Max Temkin published an article called “Star Trek The Next Generation in 40 Hours” that tells you what the essential episodes are.
To have proper context for the films you’ll need to watch these at a minimum:
Q Who
Sins of the Father
The Best of Both Worlds, parts 1 and 2
Family
Brothers
Redemption, parts 1 and 2
Descent, parts 1 and 2
If you want to understand the Easter egg in the final scene of Star Trek Generations, you’ll need to watch The Chase.
@@WillTalksMovies It would be very helpful to let us know how many episodes you're willing to commit to.
My list has 48 episodes in it, but it can be trimmed down if your focus is only on getting the background you need for the movies.
It's very hard to make a list when there are so many good episodes to choose from.
Whatever choices you make, not everyone is going to be happy.
BTW: There are also episodes you'll need to see if you plan on getting into DS-9.
"RolypolyOllie" found that out the hard way when he got to the episode "Defiant".
He was then told what episode of STNG to watch, which in itself spoiled the surprise reveal.
@@MrDeathpilot I’m willing to do all episodes but obviously will take a while to get through and don’t want people falling off if they don’t want to see all episodes
@@WillTalksMovies
I recommend watching the best 4 or 5 episodes per season. That way you get to experience the best that TNG has to offer. And since it’s episodic you can go back and watch almost any episode whenever you want.
TNG is seven seasons long, it would take a LONG time to get through it.
Max Temkin published an article called “Star Trek The Next Generation in 40 Hours” that tells you what the essential episodes are.
To have proper context for the films you’ll need to watch these at a minimum:
Q Who
Sins of the Father
The Best of Both Worlds, parts 1 and 2
Family
Brothers
Redemption, parts 1 and 2
Descent, parts 1 and 2
If you want to understand the Easter egg in the final scene of Star Trek Generations, you’ll need to watch The Chase.
Is there an extended list? I would like to watch as many episodes as possible:)
Yes, the Temkin list is a good list (but missing a few episodes I love). I will let you Google it because I don’t think I’m supposed to put links in CZcams comments. 😊
Holy Smokes. This movie breaks canon about every 20 minutes.
Interesting I will have a look at videos of this, I thought this watching trek 4 that people would be upset
How so? I didn't see any breaks in canon...
This film is probably the weakest of the Original Series movies, but it does a great job of capturing the cheaper, goofier feel of TOS's third season and the subsequent animated series. (Yes, there was a cartoon, and everyone came back to voice it.) Star Trek V is the big screen equivalent of an entertainingly bad episode, and it has the bonus of offering an excellent scene with Bones.
As for Star Trek VII-X:
While you lose quite a bit from the first six movies by not casually watching the original TV show and knowing about three or four key episodes, they're still nowhere near as impenetrable as the Next Generation films, especially the first one. Star Trek VII was written by the same guys who wrote the series finale of TNG, and instead of writing a film that would bring in new audiences, they decided to use the opportunity to wrap up a number of major storylines that had been explored over the course of multiple seasons (especially the Data and Worf arcs). In essence, they wrote a second finale for the show and passed it off as a movie.
Star Trek VIII also builds off a notable storyline from the show, but it's more a Wrath of Khan situation: you don't need to watch over half a season's worth of episodes to make sense of it. Three would be sufficient: the last episode of Season 3 and the first two episodes of Season 4. Star Trek IX is the one that requires the least amount of homework--at best, there may be one episode that would be useful to see ahead of time, but it's not necessary. And Star Trek X just requires the Data episodes that you'd already have to sit through for Star Trek VII.
35:00 FOR THE 100TH TIME IT WAS NOT GOD! IT WAS AN EVIL BEING, MOST LIKELY THE DEVIL HIMSELF!!!
That's a big leap, since at this point, any sufficiently powerful being could be seen as supernatural, etc. I wouldn't really call them the devil, since that presupposes the existence of a particular religious character, one I don't adhere to.
@@ChrissonatorOFL you may not hear to Judaism and the existence of the devil. But that doesn't mean they don't exist.
By the way. William Shatner wrote and directed this film. He is a devoted Jew and in his original draft it is made 100% clear that the creature the meat is the devil and they come to the conclusion but if the devil exist then God exists. In the original draft Sybok died more heroically. Not only did he fight the devil but he kept him occupied long enough for Kirk, Spock and McCoy to escape aboard the Enterprise.
The original draft did not have Klingons.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE Go back through The Original Series after Star Trek VI. Then after The Original Series Episodes move onto The Next Generation watch some episodes of the series before going to the TNG movies.
I’m stopping at 6 and want to watch all of either TOS or TNG
I would fully support watching them both in full and glad to hear you’ve enjoyed the movies enough to do so. But, if you feel a full series is too big to bite off at once, you can always watch the critical ones & fan favorites to get a good flavor and fill the rest in with time. Friends of mine have done that. TOS and TNG are mainly self contained episodes while series today (and DS9) tend to have 1 big story arc to follow throughout.
Actually, Kirk did have a brother and lost him. He had an older brother who became a scientist on a colony planet. He was killed buy an alien parasite.
Captain Kirk showed up just in time to watch his brother die and then his sister-in-law. But he managed to save his nephew.
I never understood why trek fans didn’t like this movie. I thought it was a great story.
this movie made 15 year old me ponder the existence of God for the first time….I came to conclusion he does exist. This move in part help that.
I thought it was great and especially looking into there greatest sorrows
I'd be interested to hear the reasons and evidence for your conclusion. :) I'm more like Kirk in this movie, he was the skeptical one through and through.
@@ChrissonatorOFL is Kirk being that sceptical though?….Christians have always believed that god dwells in the human heart as well being ‘out there’…so Kirk is in part right as to where to find God.
The problem is the human heart is also deceptive, with vices, and wickedness….thus we cannot rely solely on the human heart.
@@sebastianbendyna2363 Well, for me, the heart is just an organ that pumps blood. Nothing more to it. However, figuratively speaking, that's just the nature of being a conscious animal with the ability to understand our universe to a scope no other living organism can do.
@@ChrissonatorOFL each to their own bro.
It's Shatner's movie and it is not good
Ironically, this alien entity perfectly represents the old testament God to a T. lol God was always smiting people for various transgressions.
I don't think it would have happened nearly as often if someone had just given Him a starship.
If you do end up watching the TV shows even if it's in your own time rather than uploading youtube reactions to them. You should try to watch them all including the newer shows.
Don't let anyone's hatred/dislike for the newer shows deter you or any future fans of Trek from watching them. As the 'fans that hate/dislike them' only do so because of the newer show's willingness to embrace cast/character/story diversity more than the older shows did.
I say this as a Trekkie who is now 35 years old. I grew up watching TNG, DS9, Voyager and Enterprise. I never thought we would ever get any new show's but we did.
Discovery which was the first of the newer shows and just recently has aired it's 5th and final season. The show has been fantastic from start to finish and also remains my favourite of the newer shows.
SNW has been a delight with a mixture of TOS/Discovery style storytelling, Picard has been really enjoyable and also Lower Decks and Prodigy have been love letters to the entire fandom. There is no shuch thing as a bad Trek show imo.
Also the most famous Vulcan saying in Trek is IDIC which means Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations. Which is what Trek is all about exploring the unknown and embracing that what makes us different from one another.
Chekov - she has amazing mus cles.
Luckily, Star Trek VI More than makes up for This flop!!!!
I think a good idea is for the community to pick out say half a dozen of the most important episodes of each season of TNG and maybe DS9 too. Watching everything is way too much
Hate to dis Star Trek, but this is the weakest movie in the series IMO.
A couple of interesting ideas but just didn't work for me.
I actually really enjoyed this one, don’t think there is one I didn’t enjoy
This one does at least attempt to do an "issues" plot like many episodes of the story. Shatner's idea was critiquing televangelists.
The problem is "going to meet God" was obviously going to have a disappointing payoff.
The biggest strength here is of course Luckinbill's Sybok. He was so charismatic that I started to believe he might be on to something about the same time Kirk did.
Then of course they kill Sybok. Blech.
Watch the Next Generation movies. You don't have to watch the series for it.
The transition movie is Star Trek Generations. It has the most beautiful intro scene. A champagne bottle tumbling through space and smashes on the hull of the new starship.
That’s actually really cool!
I have to disagree with you that the alien poser-god is nothing like the God of the Bible; I do not know if it was intentional but the baddie in this movie lines up pretty well with the God portrayed in the Bible.
Well isn't that reply cute?
BUT IT'S WRONG!!!
I find people who see God as an evil being never actually read the Bible or had someone to explain what the text really mean. It's like reading Shakespeare without understanding that the way they talk isn't 100% literal.
Or someone who's never heard slang before trying to understand it without somebody to guide him.
Just because God brings down wrath once in a while doesn't mean he's not a kind loving God quick to forgive and slow to anger. You have to bear in mind that before he flooded the Earth thousands of years passed since he created Adam and Eve.
He didn't torture Adam and Eve when they broke his one commandment I'm not eating of the fruit of knowledge. Instead he threw them out of the house.
It's like your kid telling you he's smarter than you and he doesn't need you. So you throw them out of the house. It's called tough love. God could have killed Cain. Instead he marked Cain so that everybody knew he was a murderer. Any sentiment to the desert for punishment. When King was done with his punishment God guided him to a wife. That's a kind loving God. It's called God the Father not God the mother.
The father will give tough love. My mother will just pull her kid away from the electrical outlet.
The father will let his children commit all sorts of mistakes. A mother does her best to avoid her kids from making those mistakes.
A father encourages kids to learn how to take care of themselves and be nice to others. A mother forces it.
So when you read something in the Bible that sounds like God is being horrible take a step back and put yourself in God's shoes for a moment.
You can't interfere with individual choice. Because of a covenant you made with your first creations.
God wants us to solve our own problems and he gives us more problems to solve.
But he also punishes us when we've broken his rules like any good father.
I'm not going to change your mind by preaching to you. All I can tell you is that you really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really need to get somebody who really understands the Bible and study it with that person. Bible classes are great with this.
I wouldn’t bother with anything of the ST:Next Generation. I would watch number 6 and then stop.
Interesting, well I was considering either watching all the TOS or TNG
@@WillTalksMovies it's true that the TNG movies never quite hit the highs of the original series movies, but TNG itself as a series is fantastic. It's absolutely a core part of the Trek universe regardless of whether a few random people don't like it for some reason. That being said, apart from a handful of good episodes, the first two seasons aren't great while the show is still trying to find its bearings. But this is quickly forgiven once the characters and storylines really start flourishing in the third season and beyond.
@@WillTalksMoviesI’m glad you enjoyed and appreciated Star Trek V.
I love the unique story and relationships. That scene with Bones and his father gets me every time. And the character of Sybok was really interesting - not just a two dimensional stereotypical baddy - I actually feel sorry for him at the end. William Shatner (the director) got messed around by studio execs who slashed his budget and cut scenes which had been in the original script.
The original crew’s 6 movies are great because of Kirk, Spock and Bones and also because each movie has a different and original and creative story.
Fans of the next generation defend the ‘characters’ of the next generation but if they were actuslly good why couldn’t they come up with one original story for the stand alone next generation movies???
ST: First Contact steals the plot from ST 4 The Voyage Home - having to go back in time to fix something to save the future.
ST: Insurrection steals the idea from ST: 3 Search for Spock - Captain Kirk disobeying the Federation and going AWOL.
ST: Nemesis tries to create a Kahn like Nemesis and steals the ending of Star Trek 2.
And the character of Data (an android with no emotions) who talks about logic is just a poor man’s Spock.
The original crew are the genuine article and they came up with new original ideas for each movie.
The next generation movies are just derivative.
Good example of how derivative the next generation is: they didn’t even bother to make their own theme, they just stole the music theme from ST: the Motion Picture.
They also repeatedly steal Star Trek 3’s idea of destroying the Enterprise.
Like their name suggests, the Next Grnerstion are just not original at all.
@@SpielbergMichael wow you came up with all of that all by yourself?
@@SpielbergMichael Just accept that you are in a minority with your dim view of TNG (which is perfectly fine, just don't be surprised when people disagree). That being said, saying that First Contact "steals" from Voyage home is like saying Voyage Home "steals" from City on the Edge of Forever because both involve time travel. The stories are completely different. And Insurrection isn't the fan favorite (I do like it though) but it has nothing to do, plot-wise, with Search for Spock. Nemesis is just a terrible movie though:)
Next movie is GREAT!
Finish through star trek 6--- watch the Tos,animated,Tng then the Tng movies is my recommendation. Sybok: a title for him V' tosh ka' tur- the knowledge and experience were forbidden by Vulcan belief. (2) Probably non- canon '( from the novel) McCoy: what's with you,Jim? Yesterday you tried to kill us both in the rapids! And today you throw yourself off the side of the mountain. Are you really that anxious to meet your maker?
Finish through star trek 6--- watch the Tos,animated,Tng then the Tng movies is my recommendation. Sybok: a title for him V' tosh ka' tur- the knowledge and experience were forbidden by Vulcan belief. (2) Probably non- canon '( from the novel) McCoy: what's with you,Jim? Yesterday you tried to kill us both in the rapids! And today you throw yourself off the side of the mountain. Are you really that anxious to meet your maker?
Finish through star trek 6--- watch the Tos,animated,Tng then the Tng movies is my recommendation. Sybok: a title for him V' tosh ka' tur- the knowledge and experience were forbidden by Vulcan belief. (2) Probably non- canon '( from the novel) McCoy: what's with you,Jim? Yesterday you tried to kill us both in the rapids! And today you throw yourself off the side of the mountain. Are you really that anxious to meet your maker?
Finish through star trek 6--- watch the Tos,animated,Tng then the Tng movies is my recommendation. Sybok: a title for him V' tosh ka' tur- the knowledge and experience were forbidden by Vulcan belief. (2) Probably non- canon '( from the novel) McCoy: what's with you,Jim? Yesterday you tried to kill us both in the rapids! And today you throw yourself off the side of the mountain. Are you really that anxious to meet your maker?