Everything Wrong With The ENTIRE Star Trek Original Series Films Franchise
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- We stitched together all the sins videos for the original-cast Star Trek films (Generations doesn't count) and re-did the math to come up with a sin total for the whole series. Enjoy!
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It's the strangest thing: this video got me interested in Star Trek.
I enjoyed this video the first time through, though having no context for virtually anything referenced (was never a huge Trek fan). Then suddenly, I watched the video all the way through a second time, then a third. Now I'm halfway through season 1 of TOS. Never would I have guessed I'd be watching Star Trek of all shows, or that THIS video of all videos would've gotten me into it.
The dead kid in TWoK is Scotty's nephew. Scotty cries even more in the extended Director's Cut.
The book really developed Preston and you felt his loss there.
OH YEAH,, there's no reason to bring the injured crewman to the bridge but Scotty is crying when he died in sickbay...
Yeah, I have a seriously injured crewman, take him to the bridge.
I haven't watched the theatrical version of WOK in years, I have the directors cut on DVD. The other night I decided to watch it on Paramount +. It was the theatrical version and it was defiantly missing the heartbreak of Scotty loosing his nephew.
1:06:27 he knew!
"Enterprise, what we got back didn't live long - BUT THEY WERE DELICIOUS!" [shoutout to the CZcamsr who came up with that one a few years ago - great!].
From what I've read online Christian Slater is a huge Star Trek fan and asked his mother for a cameo in VI. He also admitted in 2017 that he stole the uniform he wore while filming. Now you know .. so .. I'll just wait here patiently for the change in the Sin Tally 😂
You obviously don't know CinimaSins, nepotism is a sin so thus the sin would say if not multiplied as its a cross over sin for the film and real world involvement
I read that he was paid $600 and framed the cheque
@@1701Bec took standard payment and didn't cash the check
Jeremy also ignores there are two valid pronunciations of data; dah-tuh, with a flat A, and day-tuh, with a sharp A.
The latter became popular via TNG because that's how Patrick Stewart pronounced it.
@@Caseytify I wasn't aware there was any problem with the day-tuh pronunciation. In UK, that's by far the most common way to pronounce that word.
Fun fact: They had to make the Klingon blood pink in ST6 because it was the only way to avoid an R rating.
So Klingon blood is pink, and had to be made so for that reason. Why, therefore, was it so difficult for Klingons in later writings to have pink blood ? Also, it wouldn't have been difficult to recolour earlier footage. Rather than come up with some handwavium that 'it only turns pink in zero gravity', STVI:TUdC continually presses the idea that Klingon blood is pink. Why this emphasis of they're going to just dump it later ?
Had the opportunity to take my father to see a Wrath of Khan presentation by Shatner in Atlanta. It was an awesome experience!!!
Actually, it's because they wanted to show the difference between Human and Klingon blood, since Odo... I mean, Colonel West was masquerading as a Klingon.
At least, that's how I understand it. I don't think the rating mattered, but it's possible.
The line where Spock states that his ancestor maintains that, "If you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable must be the truth. was written by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle being said by sherlock homes in his short story's not by Occam's razor which states the simplest explanation is probably the correct one.
That's not precisely Occam's Razor either which states that among *equally probable* explanations, the simplest one is likely correct.
If Spock called Kirk "Frankie", the simplest explanation is he forgot his name, but that is extremely unlikely.
And why is it impossible that Spock's mother was related to Arthur Conan Doyle? I say remove one sin.
@@katalytically Good point!
A lot of what spock has said about his ancestors speaking about what we attribute to other famous people of Earth's history can easily be attributed to Vulcans being around observing humans for a very long time. Aliens on our planet. This is widely believed to this day. This means that they have some wiggle room with their culture's prime directive and could have possibly been guiding our progress throughout history. Klingons have said it once or twice as well. "To be or not to be" ( "in the original klingon") as mentioned by the villain in star trek 6.
@@AnthonyRossJr1701 Spock has both human and Vulcan ancestry, so it seems the simpler answer is not that he would imply one of his Vulcan ancestors created that phrase when it's highly unlikely he would not know it came from Doyle. The simpler answer, and equally probable, insofar as ancestry goes, is that Spock is a descendant of Doyle through his human mother.
At 23:00 , the trainee that Scotty carried onto the bridge and cried over was his nephew, Preston.
Undisvovered Country was released at about US Thanksgiving Day, hence the turkey in kitchen scene.
I have said it before I will say it again. Chekov knowing Kahn actually is feasible. In the episode Space seed Kahn passes a young man in a yellow tunic that we only see from the back, this person has the same hair style as Chekov, as well as having the same relative height. There is nothing in the second season that states that Chekov was a transfer to the Enterprise. Therefore we can assume that he was likely promoted to a bridge officer position from another position on the Enterprise crew. That means there is a very strong possibility that he was there when Kahn was. Kahn also in that episode spent a great deal of time endearing himself to the crew. So yeah Checkov could very well of known him and Kahn has the memory he would remember Chekov.
He could have reviewed mission logs before joining the Enterprise and seen Kahn's profile so he knew what was up.
Nice catch! I like that rational thinking to eliminate potential plot holes. I do the same thing for my favorite series. A lot of people seem happy to point out plotholes but often say they don’t care enough to discuss alternate conceivable explanations.
@@TeargasHorse that would explain how he knows Kahn but would not explain how Kahn knows him
*Khan
@@tazman2253 Khan presumably spent considerable time on the Enterprise and likely went out of his way to meet everyone (such a gregarious fellow)... and with his superior memory he is certainly likely to remember Chekov.
The 6th one hit theatres just days after a rerun SNL skit where someone tells Kirk: "... but Captain, you even take the ugly ones!". I spontaneously shouted this during the prison scene. Turns out I wasn't the only one that saw the SNL skit. Pretty sure everyone missed the remainder of that scene, based on the laughter. First (and last) time I had ever been that funny in public.
probably more often than you think, just multiple ppl didn’t Laugh out loud
“First a d last time I had ever been that funny in public”?
You didn’t write it. You just reacted to it, so you weren’t and still aren’t funny in public.
@@elijahnakumura4375 You realize the post was about how the quote fit the movie, not incredulity that people watch SNL. The point was people recognized where it was from.
@@Harkeilla It was funny because it linked those two things together. If we go by your definition, no comedian that reads a script, quotes someone, or reads is funny. By the strict "you didn't write it" (a claim I did not make), anyone that uses existing words can't be funny.
Costanza?
"Three lights...or maybe it's four"
🤣🤣🤣🤣
The biggest problem isn't Chekov not being in the season of Star Trek. It's the fact that nobody seems to notice that an entire planet is missing from that system.
THIS _IS_ CETI ALPHA V!
Khan says that Ceta Alpha: The Undiscovered Country exploded. That sucks, but that wouldn't change the position of Ceti Alpha: The Final Frontier. Now, had Zordon's sidekick exploded when they were on Alpha VI, VI would have become V.
I've always assumed that when Kirk says "the needs of the one outweigh the needs of the many" that Spock is "the one". However I just thought maybe "the one" is Kirk and he's basically saying "I did it because I wanted you back" which kind of makes a lot more sense to me.
1:34:06 No mention of that regular lawyer also being the one and only Michael Dorn??
right?!
And they called him Colonel Worf. So it's one of Worf's relatives? I think TNG was set 70 years after ST6.
@@Bleh693 He jokingly mentioned in an interview that Colonel Worf is TNG Worf's grandfather.
Khan's recognition of Chekov was explained in the novelisation. He was there, but in a part of the ship we never saw.
Real world explanation - Sulu was originally supposed to be the captain of the Reliant, but Bill Shatner had them change the script so Sulu did nothing but stare at the viewing screen.... Any wonder why theres no love lost between those two? He had to wait for VI to get his own command.
Now we obviously need the Next Gen films to be sinned.
And then the Abrams films.
He just uploaded that today lol
@@darklordofsword may as well upload the entire set of movies for those, just trim out the end of each scene/camera-pan
@@darklordofsword they’ve already got the Abrams films sinned. Now they’re working on the TNG films.
Like shooting fish in a barrel. I LOVE the Next Gen series, but the films are mostly uninspired, with the cast almost visibly wishing they were somewhere else. (IIRC) In one there is a scene where Picard and Kirk are in some sort of physical confrontation, and Picard actually says "We're getting too old for this!".
For ST5 since it ends with Kirk, Spock and McCoy singing- I like to think the whole movie was a camp fire story
Booze induced campfire story.
17:40 During an interview with Walter Koenig, they asked him about this scene. Walter joked, that Khan must have remembered Chekov, because he was in the men's room and made Kahn wait to use it. lol
The "dead kid" Scotty was crying over was his nephew.
But that was not stated onscreen in the theatrical cut.
While Star Trek 3 is rarely anyone's favorite, it's crazy how much stuff (and effects footage!) comes from that movie and is used in future productions for decades...Excelsior class, spacedock, Klingon Bird of Prey, Oeberth class (Grissom), the most recognizable Klingon hair and outfits (TMP wasn't quite there yet), the Klingon stabbing knife, Vulcans having katras, Klingons having cloaking devices (It was all Romulans before), also the first time we see Klingons speaking of "honor".
I like this
It is my favourite of the films.
Not my favorite, but is underrated I think.
Robert Wise also directed "The Day the Earth Stood Still" and "The Andromeda Strain." Both are some of the most classic sci-fi movies of all time!
AGREED, on Both Counts. Great Job(s) on Robert Wises' part, prior.
But this (first) Star Trek movie paled, in comparison...A re-hash of TOS episode "The Changeling", overloaded with visual effects.
Not a fan of the Abrams Trek movies, either. Like this movie: Overloaded with ridiculous/inane CGI overproduction.
But Chris Pine, Zachary Quinto, Zoe Saldana, Simon Pegg, Anton Yelchin (RIP) and ESP Karl Urban put their ALL into it. Respect, for that.
Interesting note the conflict between the captain and the first officer with the first officer feeling resentment over being replaced as Captain was a subplot Robert Wise used when he directed the movie run silent Run Deep
Oh i LOVED The Andromeda Strain as a kid, as an adult, as the old movie, as the book!
I'd argue that The Day the Earth Stood Still might be THE watershed science fiction movie ever made. Before it, all scifi was just aliens trying to kill us. After it, everything changed.
Fun fact: we already had "transparent aluminum" as of that movie. It's Sapphire Glass and was used in the Space Shuttle. for the cockpit windows.
also search aluminium oxynitride or ALON
I did not know this. Fascinating.
sapphire = aluminum
@@KarmaCadet Sapphire's chemical composition is Al2O3. That's Aluminum Oxide. Sapphire is just an allotrope of that compound and some of it is rather pretty, hence it is used in gemstones. It also makes for remarkably strong glass so it has some very specialty roles.
@@RaderizDorret Unfornatunally it's also expensive, that's why they don't use it for Android Smartphones and Tablets (Android, because Apple would never use a glass that can't shatter)
"I ask for the Re-Fusion."
"We refuse."
ba dum tsssh.
The word is given, that the dying boy is relieved of duty.
It implies that he held on out of dedication, refusing to die until his captain was satisfied.
Star Trek 2 the Wrath of Khan my favorite Star Trek movie cuz you could feel Khan's passion through the movie screen. Also it came out in 1982 which is in my opinion one of the best years for 🎦
1984: "Am I a *_JOKE_* to you???"
Tron
@@8Biit who watches that now?
@@edmund184 "also it came out in 1982, which in my opinion one of the best year for movies" keep up eddie. Also, its a miracle classic film that was a landmark in animation and cgi, not to mention 15 years ahead of its time thematically... so a lot of people, a LOT of people.
10:39 Fun fact: the actress playing Illia got a bonus for ACTUALLY shaving her head.
She passed some years ago, Persis was so beautiful.
@@bawintermage8351 wow I did not know she had died and quite young too.
@@creatinotionchannel2680 It was quite unfortunate ok indeed. Can only pray that God rests het soul in him. Considering how people can die at any time, we should all strive to be kind to one another and be mindful of our own souls salvation
Persis Khambatta was pretty.....hair or no! Gone too soon....
@@devinhyde1139 They got an Indian to play a Deltan...and a Mexican to play a Singh...they were way ahead of the coming, or rather, are in the midst of, clusterfuck.
My guess is that photo of David in VI would also have been a poignant tribute to Merritt Butrick, who died two years before VI was released.
It was.
...but not before having a Star Trek II reunion, guest starring with Judson Scott (Joachim) in TNG: "Symbiosis".
39:08 - love how the stunt coordinators hand comes down in view, to help
1:04:08. In the TOS episode "Shore leave" Bones sees a big white rabbit. And in 1972 he was in a film called "Night of the Lepus", which was about a town terrorised by giant bunny rabbits.
That movie also starred Paul Fix who played Dr Mark Piper in where no man has gone before
Rifftrax did that one a few years ago. Chef's kiss
I may be mistaken but I am pretty sure that Occams Razor is, at least boiled down, that the simplest answer is usually the right one. What Spock was quoting was Sherlock and, by extension, Doyle. Considering he is half human, it is entirely possible that he is related to Doyle to some degree.
I thought his ancestor used to quote Conan Doyle.
In another video about movies with deleted scenes you find out that the guy that died in the wrath of Kahn that got Scotty so upset was Scotty’s nephew. That’s why he was so upset.
Recent releases actually have the scene included where Scotty mentions that
One of those choices where the people making the movie clearly forgot what was in the movie.
"My sister's youngest, crazy to get into space."
It was Midshipman First Class, Peter Preston. I wasn't aware that his identity was hidden in the movie. It's certainly made perfectly clear in VNMcI's book TSFS.
Didn’t make sense for Scotty to take him to the bridge instead of sickbay
20:09 interesting trivia...before Industrial LIght and Magic was ILM, but still owned and pioneered by George Lucas, this scene was one of their first projects on a computer. It was the first time they had gone from models to having a computer simulate something (at this scale anyway)...and it changed everything.
And it was so expensive that they used it again, and again, and again....
You know you got to give it to William shatner for being 91 and looking great for his age and still staying active and going to conventions!
I love how he’s been in a Twitter feud with RLM of all people! Next will be CinemaSins, Jeremy’s certainly in the same general category and purpose 😅
@@finmiles965 and that feud was completely pointless and a misunderstanding apparently
In 2018 He was in Madison for a WoK showing, and the advertisement flyer showed him with an awfully disgusted face. I had to think about how that photo session went with the photographer. I wish I could share the photo I took of it here.
He's definitely got amazing genetics but he was too pretty and it went to his head. Then there's all that garbage about his wife "unaliving herself" while he was out. There's a lot of suspicion about it.
Regarding 22:02 Spock was actively monitoring Reliant through a scope-thingy which is why he could tell she was locking phasers. The scruffy space hippies controlling Reliant at the time were clearly not up to speed on all of her systems, thus no one was or probably even knew how to monitor Enterprise in the same way. There was just that one guy on the shield systems who was able to tell that his shields were being lowered. So really not a sin.
Counterpoint: why aren't these systems automated?
@@denverarnold6210 Automate the watching of FRIENDLY ships for weapons locking on you? That would be pointless 99.9% of times. It probably is automated for all unknowns and hostiles, but Reliant and Enterprise are both Starfleet.
Captain, there's red thingies heading toward the green thingy... I think we're the green thingy.
Wash: [checking screen] "That's interesting..."
Mal: "Define 'interesting'..."
Wash: "Oh God, Oh God we're All gonna die...?"
@@Lord9Genesis "Hey, you got Serenity in my Star Trek!" "No, YOU got Star Trek in my Serenity!"
22:18 In the director's cut it eventually shows the cadet Scotty was holding in his arms was his nephew. His sister's son.
The director's cut of Khan as well as the extended "made for TV release" which aired a few times in the 80's, both establish that the dead engineer Scotty carries in his arms, is his relative, nephew I believe.
Yes. "My sister's youngest, Admiral. Crazy to get to space."
That is was made quite clearly in Wrath Kahn that he was his nephew.
01:35:29 That's not a reference to Occam's Razor, it's a famous line spoken by Sherlock Holmes.
Um, where did you think Sherlock Holmes writers pull it from? Its based on Occam Razors simplest solution is usually the correct one. If be the sentence structure is convoluted.
@@zebra1915 Um, it's a verbatim quote from a Holmes story. But thanks for playing.
@@valmarsiglia My point still stands that the quote is based on the larger principle of Occam's Razor, thus it was actually a very intellectual sin
@@zebra1915 That's not Occam's Razor. Do you honestly think that Holmes worked on the principle that the simplest explanation is most likely to be true? Lol. In that case, every prime suspect in the stories would've gone to the gallows and the police vindicated in every case, and Holmes wouldn't have had much of a career.
@timothyjarman2308 Uh, no. Occam's razor is not a synonym for deductive reasoning in general. Have you never read a Holmes story? Every one is emphatically about how the simplest explanation is not the correct one.
"Does this movie think its 2001" Yes, that was absolutely the entire point
Its advertising slogan was "A twenty-third century odyssey now."
2001 meets Nomad.
@@betaneptune The movie very quickly acquired the slogan "Where Nomad Has Gone Before." 😁
@@willmfrank Star Trek: The Motionless Picture, a.k.a. Spockalypse Now
@@Corbomite_Meatballs Also "Star Trek: The Slow-Motion Picture."
0:00 - Star Trek: The Motion Picture
15:04 - Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan
29:39 - Star Trek III: The Search for Spock
41:28 - Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home
1:02:26 - Star Trek V: The Final Frontier
1:24:20 - Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country
Ok you get one sin for not recognizing Spock is half human and therefore Occam's Razor, a human concept, is from his lineage as part human.
Indeed. Spock is claiming that Arthur Conan Doyle is his ancestor. Which... leads to an interesting chain to his mother Amanda, but isn't impossible.
@@BlackLiger788 Fun fact - Arthur Conan Doyle and William of Occam lived about 20 miles (and 550 years) apart. Both lived just off the A3 in Surrey; Doyle in Hindhead, Occam in, well, Occam (now spelled Ockham)
Just like not doing any quick research (because Jeremy is probably too wet behind the ears?) to determine the mispronunciation of the word 'data' is stupid and woefully ignorant since it obviously has two pronunciations and most people should be aware of that at any age. Yet another SIn that is on you, not the movie.
To be fair, he does still have an encyclopaedia of Earth history and human culture when the plot demands it.
The extra “4” sins for David Warner… well played, CinemaSins, well played 😆
THERE ARE FOUR SINS!!! R.I.P. David Warner. You are so missed....
1:05:05 You'll notice that 5 sins were actually added to the tally there too :D
@@CraigKostelecky THERE WERE FOUR SINS!
Such an amazing episode. I saw it on syndication in I think around 7th grade and it got me so riled up, I couldn't look at that actor without _despising him_ for years!
you killed my brother and me with the bread stick comments... Never eat bread sticks sitting out on tables. You made us cry tears laughing when you asked the question... DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY COVID'S ARE ON THOSE THINGS?! I haven't laughed this hard this long for ages! That goes double for my dour old former Marine Corps brother.
There were no concerns about COVID in the 80s.
@@Awestefeld6612 Dude the fact that COVID was not an issue at this time is part of what made the joke funny. Darn it Spock lighten up and enjoy the moment and laugh a little it's good for you!
According to the books, Saavik was vulnerable to her emotions because she was half Romulan. THAT'S why she was nervous and expressive, as well as unsure of her place in Starfleet.
And McCoy's quip about Romulan ale to Kirk in the turbolift.
That was one of two explanations, the other was she was gonna be fully Romulan and a defector
@@mrcritical6751 That would make sense. Saavik was supposed to be the traitor on the Enterprise in Undiscovered Country, but they wrote and casted the character of Valeris instead.
Indeed, there's even an extended scene you can find on CZcams that was filmed (but obviously cut) that explicitly states her as having Romulan heritage. Shame it was cut as it only extended the Kirk/Spock hallway scene by a handful of seconds
@@Issicra I don't think I would have liked losing Saavik as a good guy. I enjoyed her character. Turning her into a traitor would have felt.... dirty.
Say what you like about Star Trek V, the villian being a televangelist and the actor playing him, were fantastic. McCoy's vision of himself euthanising his own father is surprisingly emotive, also. Apart from that the film doesn't exist like the Matrix sequels.
Fun fact: the actress playing Marta in Star Trek VI is David Bowie's widow, Iman.
Also, did anybody notice the Scooby-Doo endng with the rubber mask in Star Trek VI?
Interesting note in Star Trek 5 the character sybork was originally written for Sean Connery the actor who played him. Was at one time the son-in-law of the Queen Mother of Star Trek Lucille Ball
I don't think the mask was in the theatrical cut, just the vhs and DVD releases, so it might be soon forgotten
"And I'd have gotten away with it, if it wasn't for you meddling Septegenarians!"
So in this movie the wife of David Bowie reused his whigs from the 1970s? :D
@JohnAnderson-jy2js Mr. Luckinbill is still married to Ms. Ball's daughter, Lucie Arnaz.
He is also the uncle of the Wachowski Sisters, the creators of The Matrix films.
Robert Wise also directed "The Day the Earth Stood Still" and "The Andromeda Strain," so...
Yeah...he's JUST the guy to direct your science fiction movie.
The Andromanda strain is probably the closest to being my favorite movie. I watched it as a little kid in the 80s bc it was one of our first VHS movies we got and it shook my World.
I was in the theater watching the scene as they flew up to the Enterprise in 1979. ... I love the music ... seeing the Enterprise again.. my God, when they cancelled the show in 1969, I thought it was over forever, seeing it again? It was like visiting a dear old friend. I swear I had tears in my eyes. I was in awe. Yep, didn't understand the wormhole scene. I think they really were influenced by '2001 :a space Odyssey' The uniforms were the worse, some of the plot a was rather confused mess... but seeing Star Trek again, was the very best!
It bothered me that EVERYTHING was different than the TV show which I loved.
I thought it was a derivative travesty that would kill the franchise.
If you didn't see Star Wars as well, I'm very disappointed. 😜
Always can see past the "cheese" in TMP. For me, it gave me a chance to see my heroes on the big screen; a sweeping score that still captivates; and I met my best friend at a matinee. Ilia is Deltan; their lives are more sexually integrated into their culture. So she had to make an oath that she wouldn't take advantage of a "sexually inferior" race. (from the novelization, paraphrased.)
I felt the sane way during the opening credit of Superman Returns.
in Wrath of Khan Scotty is in sickbay crying over not just any dead kid but his sister's kid ,his nephew. He says it's his nephew in beginning of the movie.
Why does everyone miss this?
It's only in the director's cut@@billsedutto8824
God yes the different scenes where it was like “how are we seeing this footage? Where is the camera taking this footage” 😂😂😂
Even when I was a kid, I thought that 😄
Talosians are brainwaving it in. They are the news service of the galaxy.
Undiscovered Country:
Lieutenant Valeris best performance is in the 1982 movie Porky's at about 55 minutes. (context, the guy had been asking why she was called Lassie before, got his answer she she started to howl. ). (After you watch that scene, you will never see Kim Cattral in the same way after :-)
On the picture of Kirk's son David: This was actually a memorial to Merrit Butrick who just had passed away in real life.
Porky's (first movie) came out in 1981 not 1982
22:39 "Is the word given, Admiral?" That's a reference to the first inspection scene, "Scotty, are your engines prepared for a minor training cruise? / Just give the word, Admiral / The word is given, Mr. Scott"
The No's to the beat of "Row Row Row your Boat" kill me every time
No No No No No No NO XD
Your montage at the end was...
PRICELESS.
it's very different to look back at films that in there time were cutting edge... and don't age well... hilarious and amazing interpretation.
Different perspective, thank you guyz
P.S. I'm 60, watched the original t.v. program, and films.
Bronx Love 😎
"and it exploded"
When I was 12 years old I bought a book from an old used book store. It was called "The Nitpicker's Guide to Star Trek" and it was one of my most favorite books. It was the literary form of Cinema Sins. So..... I have been waiting for Cinema Sins to sin Star Trek for basically my whole life.
In a deleted scene we find out that kid was Scotty's nephew, which is why the scenes in the film are the way they are.
Of course, without that deleted scene the film makes no sense. That's Star Trek!
9:48 Should take a sin off for Chekov's response. "ABSOLUTELY I will not interfere with it!"
Spock's quote about one of his ancestor's stating that once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. It is not a restatement of Occam's razor. It is a statement made by Sherlock Holmes in The Sign of Four written by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle. It is interesting that Spock would quote it since it contains a basic logical fallacy.
He also says it is his ancestor making it the same universe, spock is half human.
Scotty is particularly upset about the random trainee dying because it's supposed to be his nephew only they cut out any mention of that in the theatrical cut of the movie. Why they didn't also cut the rest of those scenes out since they're now very confusing is beyond me.
Biggs Darklighter.
1:06:27 he knew!
Was going to say something similar...a lot of the context was cut
This is what happens when you let profit-focused execs with no interest in the science fiction genre make artistic decisions.
I was never confused about it. Only over the years, with people keeping on bashing it, I saw that yes, it makes little sense. But when you're immersed in the movie, enjoying it, it does not register like that. At least it didn't for me.
31:06 did you know that the ship opposite of Excelsior that is behind the dock is a Crossfield class (Same class as Discovery) before the class was ever given a name? The ships basic design was a concept for the Enterprise refit/Enterprise A but was rejected by production.
don't drag
KURTZMAN DREK
into real
STAR TREK
Now do the Next Generation ones over the next few weeks, in time for the Picard finale
“Sauce for the goose”
What’s good for one, is good for the other.
13:09 Chekov mentioned 3 minutes earlier that a pressurised breathable atmosphere had suddenly appeared around the Enterprise allowing them to walk without suits in the whole scene.
Because in the books, the dead boy that Scotty brought to the bridge-WAS SCOTTY'S NEPHEW!
"Delegate Mr. Scott. Dont you have a nephew that could be doing this" 🤣🤣🤣🤣
At the 8:20+ time point, Spock says they were about to transmit at the space cloud's 'frequency & speed", even though frequency & speed are the same in radio terms, vs frequency & amplitude which is likely what he meant. They really needed some decent science advisors on the set, but obviously didn't think to include them in the writing & creation of the 1977 original movie.
From the behind-the-scenes stories of TMP, it could've been correct in the script at one point, and re-written dozens of times until it was written incorrectly. Sometimes the actors were lucky to get their sides to know what they were doing during parts of the shoot.
the flyby scene in tmp is one of my reason i love the refit enterprise
57:05 One of my favorite scenes, once I got a DVD player with a good slo-mo function
The Kobayashi Maru test would have been a great place to intro the holodeck.
Planets are not just close, but happen to be in perfect lineup.
As a kid growing up (and hardcore Trekkie) I always had this head cannon that when Llia and Decker "joined together" that the melding of human DNA and AI signaled the birth of what came to be known as the Borg.
It's just always made a kind of sense to me.
A theory that alot of people have was that the 'machine intelligence' world where V'Ger was re-outfitted to complete it's program was either the Borg homeworld, or that of one of the races that ended up forming the Borg when they merged with a humanoid biological race for the first time. Kind of like your headcanon except earlier.
@@exidy-yt that's not just a theory. Actually the plot of the book The Return by William Shatner
Yes but the only problem with that is they were nice to determine and plus they would have been near earth to assimilate it early. So why are they way out in delta quad when first discovered
@@exidy-yt The problem with that theory is, that the borg were a threat 1000 years ago, while V'Ger is only 300 years old. But well, who says that there aren't planets out there, where the AI was so stupid that it killed its programmers in Terminator style and now sees probes as "equals" unlike "carbon based units".
it is possible that voyager _became_ v'ger when it had an accident and was repaired by the Other (the port-borg). you know, like the Changeling@@acmenipponair
All Star Trek TOS movies (except ST:V) are absolute masterpieces of cenematic art!!
Want to take a moment to say, you made The Voyage Home my favorite movie with your review. I was drunk, but laughed so hard!
HOW have I NEVER noticed the dude with a massive BUTT head in the crowd at 4:47 !?!? I bet the Trekkie cosplayers have great fun playing him
fun fact...in the second season of Picard they did a riff on the punk on the bus scene Spock uses the vulcan sleep touch on. This time he politely turns the radio off, and the guy is like 20 years older now.
He was played by the same actor too in Picard. Actors name is Kirk Randolph Thatcher - who was an associate producer for Star Trek 4. Also the song he’s listening to in Picard is a sequel to the song from The Voyage Home.
@@desmondpeach6323 omg awesome :)
PLOTHOLE
IF the future was erased
SPOCK
wouldn't have been in 1986
to NERVE PINCH HIM
so he wouldn't remember it
I applaud every time I hear that Ovechkin joke. It really is a f***ing good one.
54:45 "Here's the Bill and here's your pie, enjoy your meal before you cry"
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I love the look of the Excelsior Class.
I have a vague memory from the novelization of STIV that the biologist from Earth's past WAS assigned to a ship (not even sure it was a spaceship) which was studying George and Gracie as a Cetacean biologist not a science officer. It's left vague though. You have a lot of points on the movies though!
Yes, I also never assumed that she is going into space, but onto the Ocean. Also it was the best way for her to tell Kirk: "sorry, I'm not into relationships with guys who could be my father" :D
33:05 - Sarek - "Spock trusted you. And you denied him his future." He's angry about it, no? So much for no emotions.
Not only is that not a mispronunciation of data, but the existence of both pronunciations is addressed in TNG, when Commander Data meets Dr. Pulaski.
BRAD BIRD should direct STAR TREK 4
Undiscovered Country deserved a bit more love, and less sin.
Like the Futurama episode with the crown!
I remember in the 60s when I was a kid, first thing they brought u after they sat u down in an Italian restaurant is a Vaselike container of breadsticks
The reason "...or maybe it's four" is funny is that it's such a clumsy reference.
Both the parents from '7th Heaven' were in a Star Trek movie.. fascinating.
Damn you, CS!! You had me LAUGHING OUT LOUD at work!!! I've seen lots of your videos, this is the best I've seen so far (and btw, hubby and I are huge Trekkies - #4 was our first date - which I think makes your reviews even funnier 😂😂😂😂😂).
The Dee cloaking of the bird of prey over the whaling ship was far and away the best team Star Trek ever. I had to rewind that part seems like hundreds of times when I was a kid they gave me goosebumps.
Your Scotty's nephew jokes are killing me! Keep up the good work you sorry bastard!
You seem confused by a few things so I thought I would enlighten you. The reason Scotty left his post (carrying a body) in movie 2 is that the body was his nephew Peter-- one of his only family members still alive. Scotty's family apparently tend towards risky occupations-- like a human family who all join the police or act or work for the phone company. As for Mister Spock's: "Sauce for the goose..." comment you will find that is based on a common Anglic expression. "Sauce for the goose is good for the gander". It is meant to imply that sometimes it is okay to treat things that are not quite the same as similar enough that it makes no difference. The concept (in brief) is "a difference which makes no difference IS no difference". In America this phrase became: "What's good for the goose is good for the gander". I hope this cleared up some simple things I thought any Star Trek fan would know-- especially about Scotty's nephew. But I appreciate you making this compilation. Great work.
And people say Star Trek fans can be condescending and pedantic? I have no idea where they would get that idea, such an unfair representation.
Okay but why bring him to the bridge? Sick bay is more logical location
@@kormanproductions8943 He's dead, qnd Scotty is overcome by grief.
In my experience "What's good/sauce for the goose is good/sauce for the gander" is more often used to mean "If you can do it to that guy, he can do it to you too." Or, "If you do it to me, don't be surprised when I do it right back to you." Like, you see two kids throwing water balloons and one tags another in the face, then the second one tags the first one right back. If the first one starts crying, remind them that they did it first, and if it was okay for them, it was okay for the other kid too. "Sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander." Since a gander is just a male goose.
Also, for the ST:TMP section: Decker doesn't break the chain of command, he's the XO, it's his job to do exactly what he did there and countermand orders the captain doesn't realize will be disastrous. That's why Kirk starts to dress him down, gets the explanation, and says 'Good work'. Also, just before they step out onto the dish at the end, they tell you an oxygen envelope is forming around the ship... which is also why they don't just beam over to V'Ger: the breathable pocket moved with them.
As far as V'Ger going from hyperadvanced communication to old-time radio... because that's how it was programmed to communicate with the creator, obviously. It's like asking why the Catholic Church continued to do everything in Latin until the 1960s.
Awesome job!! I can't believe you missed one that was almost handed directly to you. "While Spock might be related to William of Ockham on his mother's side also Spockham's razor"
"Spockham's razor", lol.
1:35:38 - "An ancestor" for Spock could refer to a human, he is half human after all.
52:08, you cut 1 of the funniest things in trek history when spock replies with 'how will playing cards help'
It was a dark and stormy night. Gradually, a shot rang out!
The Enterprise is better than the Millennium Falcon in EVERY WAY
I can't wait to see how this stacks up to the tng move compilation!
Do we think they gave chang side moustaches because a central one is a little too obvious?
I read an adaptation of The One With The Whales where Scotty got all excited at meeting the Plexicorp guy because he recognized him as the one who INVENTED transparent aluminum. That would've made more sense.
Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan is a masterpiece. imo
Agreed
The trainee is Scottie’s nephew
You're missing the point: _Why did he bring him to the BRIDGE instead of SICK BAY?_
@@WakenerOne yes, I understand that but he was making the point in why should Scottie care about him more than the other recruits
The problem I had with all six movies was that not once did McCoy say "He's dead, Jim" or "I'm a doctor, not a..."
In IV he did say “I’m a doctor, not an engineer”
To which Scotty says “Now you’re an engineer”
54:00 Kirk did not order a second pizza. He was ordering a second beer.
Hey! Robert Wise also directed one of the greatest sci fi movies of all time, 'The Day the Earth Stood Still.' his sci fi credentials were okay.