Big Bird Makes Marisa Look Absurd | WANTED Match Analysis (Street FIghter 6)
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- čas přidán 2. 07. 2024
- streamed June 19, 2023
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0:00 Big Bird (Marisa) vs. MysticSmash (Dee Jay)
18:58 Big Bird (Marisa) vs. Mister Crimson (Dhalsim)
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#FGC #Sajam #SF6 #Street Fighter - Hry
I have trouble finishing Street Fighter videos because they always make me want to play more Street Fighter.
TOO REAL. I click like on all the videos but the only ones I ever actually get through are the ones I can listen to while I do house chores or whatever, without looking at the screen too much. I have a playlist of ones I mean to watch later but honestly it just keeps on getting longer and longer. Hahaha.
I'm hoping this one has insight on dealing with Marisa for when I dive right back in heheheeeee
Actually my problem
This is a real problem and it needs more awareness
Depending on the costume mod I also have trouble finishing street fighter videos. 👺
Marisa really feels like the character you play when you want the other character to actually die.
Makoto felt like that...😢 I miss her
@@Hillthugsta Abigail as well.
That punch to the back of the head should have a Mortal Kombat brutality.
@@Hillthugsta dam bro can we just have macoto please! I even think that her chances are pretty high here because she missed previous game and also was rated highly in different polls from capcom!!
Literally me
I've never felt so much unearned power as when I play Marisa. I can just stand half screen and do 6 fully charged gladius and while its clear that I shouldn't be allowed to, its also clear that nobody with any self-preservation instinct is gonna try to stop me. I think the last time I felt this much disregard for my opponent's ability to counter my ignorance was back when android 16 in dbfz could do tick grabs with his LLL autocombo.
Unfortunately in higher ranks people know how to whiff punish fully charged Gladius. I miss being able to toss them out for free like you describe lol
I've been able to get away with some absolute highway ROBBERY with Manon in low rank. It's hilarious just jumping HK into command grab for people who don't know that's a thing.
very well put
@@TheChilaxicle you're right, but when they wait for you to whiff you can dictate the pace of the neutral, which I think is her element. Obviously it's a fighting game so scissors beats paper beats rock beats scissors etc etc, but while they look for charged gladius you can mix in partial or no charge, step kick or Superman punch depending on the range. Even just stand MK or crouch MP. Her specials have a decent option coverage despite having no fireball and a relatively wack anti air game. When they jump at you is more scary than them standing half screen focusing on whiff punish.
Big fan of 16 and Broly in dbfz,I agree bro.
Marisa best waifu btw
You underestimate Damascus' Power lol he is a walking meme so it's impossible for him to run out of memes 😂
39:35 excuse me?🤣
Friendly reminder that Deejay sway is called Jus' Cool. I don't mind either way but jus cool is one of the coolest move names ever.
I'm just glad even high level players are eating 8 ex command grabs in a match like I do.
That massacre against Dee Jay in the first part had Marisa looking like a _Blackadder_ fan whenever he actually moved: "Here's my fist. Kindly run towards it as fast as you can."
Underrated comment and Blackadder reference.
if you ever matchup with a marisa here's some good advice simply save face and accept your defeat as a noble honorable spartan warrior
I finally picked up SF6 today and I will agree
I can't stop mashing the M>M target combo. It's the easiest hit confirm I've ever had to do lmao.
Not to mention if they DI it, it feels like you have 4 seconds to react with your own.
Thanks for the insight on what the opponent feels against Marisa, it's helped me figure some things out that were really lacking in my own gameplan.
Anybody notice Marissa's parry stance is very similar to the one Urien does before his enhanced tackle? 🤔
@charleshastings7260 Isn't that mfer also magic
Marissa is what happened to Mrs Fritz after she started lifting weights
I'm so tired as of late that I briefly misread this as "Ms. Frizzle", which makes it funnier to me (assuming you meant Ms. Fritz from that _Jimmy Neutron_ show).
@@MusicoftheDamnedGood, I'm not the only one who thought Magic School Bus
@@MusicoftheDamnedSame
@@MusicoftheDamnedto be fair she’s canonically strong as hell
@@heyitsmort7744 I was ready to be lightly sarcastic before realizing you're actually still taking about Ms. Frizzle, which reminded me that, yeah, she did randomly deadlift a lot at one point in the original series. Typing a phrase I never expected of "How much can Ms. Frizzle lift?" into Overlord Google brought back results of her supposedly deadlifting at least 400 lbs.
Eat your heart out, Mary Poppins.
I appreciate the casual praise towards Across the Spider-Verse. It’s an animated masterclass.
i was just listening to "I want you to know" and at the very bottom right of my scrren is a little thumbnail from Punk talking about Big Bird's Marissa. Sajam's notification then pops up on top of it.
This level of coincidence is highly unlikely. i'm not missing *this* vid! o.o
I was on a character crisis. Too many cool characters. Big Bird has made me an Italian.
I like how smart he plays with her especially when it comes to her normals into drive rush. The days of abusing superman punch dwindle away when you hit platinum.
Just wanted to say that I just started getting into the game and your commentary really helped a ton
Playing against Marisa feels exactly like playing against Goldlewis
i say that marisa is more like a Ramlethal
Excellent analysis! Very good breakdown
38:20 so true, Abigail on release was a comedy show. I still go back to the match right after Problem X beat Punk because Yipes' retelling is so god damn funny
Can you hook a brother with the clip? Tried searching for the Yipes retelling but couldn't find it anywhere.
@@maxofalltrades8989 momochi vs problem from dream hack 2018
Watching this with your commentary made my Marisa so much better!
MORE OF THESE PLEASE
I fw this dude subbed and liked 💯
I kinda wanna see a marisa player that plays like this. This is my motivation to improve. So far all my marisas have been trying to absolutely kill me with DIs and jump ins to big damage. Unless i get better at my other match ups i won't climb.
I know what you mean. Marisa is Street Fighter 6's "flowchart" character.
So you’re saying to play Marisa you have to throw rock AND scissors and possibly paper?
Just focus on good old rock. Nothing beats that
damn those are some bars in the title
When u start watching this set and mystic takes control but then u notice it’s a ft7 and is only about 13 minutes 😂😭
CFN says mister crimson has 81.59% win rate with sim rn which is crazy for all the times ive seen people say sim is low tier
most reputable sources pretty much says there aint enough shins to even have a idea how strong he is
the general consensus is "low tier, but expected to go up in tiers once people find out the SAUCE."
He's hoping ....... praying for that superman punch...
I was cracking up
Big Bird anti-neutral is so inspirational
more videos like this pls
People say Marisa's jump looks like superman punch but honestly the way she hops when she does step kick is what really smokes me every time
At 35:53 you talk about how beating DI with Marisa's counter instead of her own DI is better because it has less scaling. I decided to check, and it's somewhat correct, but I wouldn't have said so. Here are the details for anyone interested.
The punish *combo* we see out of Scotum here does less damage than the same one you get off of DI, even though the former scales down to 41% versus the latter's 17%. The DI combo wins out because the crumple gives you time for a charged b.HP that doesn't fit in the Scotum version. However, the Scotum sequence does 200 more damage overall, only because of the counterattack that the opponent's DI armor absorbs.
In brief, you could say that Big Bird spent one extra Drive block (he needed the speed of OD Scotum) to do 200 damage. Is that worth it?
Fwiw he gets about half a drive bar back in the combo after Scotum that he wouldn't get if he DI'd because DI pauses your drive gain for a little bit. So in the end he got 200 extra damage for essentially an extra half bar instead of a full bar
@@TheChilaxicle Not to mention the combo he did might feel more comfortable to him (even if the resources may or may not be optimal).
Man, I love this shit!
@15:31 it's bcuz Mystic isn't using Max Rush, otherwise it'd be unreactable
When big bird walks out of Deejay's throw, is that a viable option for all characters?
dayum
Why does no one try to parry gladius or super man punch on reaction? If it ain’t perfect at least you’ll get Drive meter back, I see Mystic trying it tho.
I don't know how big bird does the command grabs so quickly
It's super easy literally press grab as soon as stance goes up can also do it after Drive rush
you can just input any of the counter's followups after doing the motion and it will come out at the first possible frame.
the grab is still like 15frames minimum thou
My head-ass Gold take - make her super 2 her super 1. If she can threaten a high damage AA on 1 bar, I think just the threat would help soooo much
Would dhalsim be able to walk out of throw like that as well or is he too slow
a lot of times even the tiniest walk back will make walk in throw whiff as competent players are throwing the frame they are in range, so yeah, but maybe moreso in strike/throw pressure situations than oki
Sajam said she has high health around 10:55. Is there a defense modifier in this game? Cause I thought everyone had the same amount of health
almost everyone has the same amount of health (including classically "low health" characters like cammy) but a few of them have higher than average health, those being gief and marisa. it should be on the supercombo wiki the info
@@welldonesteak_with_waterHonda also has a bit more hp
How do i deal with people jumping out of corners with Marisa?
space yourself better so your advantaged moves to cover their landing options
Seeing big bird play Marisa makes me realize I just need to not worry about my shit whiffing lol
Parries are ya best friend when beating her ive found
As someone who only watches fighting games, SF6 has climbed the ranks really quick in my "most fun game to watch" ranking. Top 3 with KI and Third Strike.
So wait, why is light stepkick/Sparta kick being -6 a good thing?
the kick when spaced properly will leave marisa so far away from the opponent when blocked, that there is no move that is 6 frame fast that will reach her at that distance.
remenber that the fastest move in the game are very short jabs and kicks at 4 frames.
@@affegpus4195 ok, so space to toe tap em, got it.
Marisa gets massively buffed when Big Bird picks her
Crack beta player buff
I'm gold btw, I'm shit (and a Marisa main) - Marisas strengths really feel limited to great range, multiple armor options, and absurd damage. Feels like she lacks at least 1-2 more good tools (slow anti Air, limited overheads/lows, no light cancel DR, prone to DI on many good pokes, limited ways to break DI, etc). People seem to stomp with her below Plat, but in streams I've watched she's super rare DIA and higher, and like so little tourney presence.
Honestly, the one thing that I think that she needs is just allowing her first part of jab and medium punch to be cancellable.
so for reference of skill level, Mystic here is a consistent top 8 eu tournament player and has won US majors in other games. Big Bird is just that good
@@zer0stars Standing Jab is so worthless on Marisa giving it any love would be nice I think it's like 6 or 7 frames so it's not even that quick for a light
I'm about to leave gold and marisa is by far my biggest improvement on a match up. Marisa players straight up refuse to stop doing drive impact or drive rush. After i got that down and stopped fearing her gladius the match up got a lot better for me.
@@brian_cream💯 on DI. They will spam the everloving SHIT out of that move, especially on wake-up.
Marisa is so explosive, its gonna lead to some hype moments in full on tournaments.
street FIghter
You should see Elmo’s JP hes going to fuck up EVO
I main Honda so Marisa hasnt really been a problem. In fact I dont feel like I have a problem against anyone as Honda.
This really is the best version of the big sumo. In previous games, fireballs were the bane of his existence. Now, he is one of the most annoying characters in the entire game.
Remember. Watch Wanted. It's a goat tournament series!
20:18 how the hell did she armor block a slide? that's literally the thing that stops that, how am I getting hit with lows and this guy isn't? what am I missing?
I think EX armor block can armor lows.
@@Pandaman64 thanks, I learned something new today :)
Snake eyes please
10:50 high health? I thought sf6 had universal health
Marissa and zangief have a Lil bit higher I think Marissa is 10,500 and zief is 11,000
It feels weird bc your fightig game instinct says dont keep using special moves in neutral but yeah keep doing them with marisa. Even if somethings punishable im too fucking scared to let go of down back bc shes flyin across the screem
I think I'd be fine with the damage if I could still hit her low on the ex shield. She's annoying to deal with, but idk if I can really call her "good" either, it's weird. Yes one mistake ends your life, but parries are also crazy good against her, and negate a good amount of her pressure. Maybe also tweak the m-m string ever so slightly.
If you take anything she has now away from here she’ll be hot garbage. Big bird is such an anomaly with this character. Imo she needs help not a hamstring
You gotta play her at some point to undrstand her flaws. She's slow as a truck and relies on Phalanx and dRive rush to get in. Also her antiairs are slow, it's very hard to deal with crossups. Also she has no invicible reversal. Big Bird makes her truly shine, but the guy is a genius.
39:33
Im not very good against marisa. I cant stop her pressing buttons.
The best all-around advise I can give is that her low game is fairly weak as well as her anti-air. The other piece of advise is lookout for her DI. Noobs love spaming that.
Damascus won this set
Lowkey, what I've been learning against Marisa (at least if you're low level like iron-gold), there's one rule. . . GRAB.
Idk why but grab just massacres her gladius punch.
Low level Marisa's really love their armor, so if you see her charging up, just walk up and grab
Until she doesn't anymore haha or mixes up the timing,
yeah thats the thing with marisa, she is RPS with most things, but if she loses is not a big deal for her. but if you lose... you explode
as a Marisa player in low plat, can confirm> Im so happy to cook punches that people figure out that they can just walk up throw me by the end of the match.
Marissa feels like she's playing a different game, way too many + frames and damage off pressing buttons IMO.
Has to charge to be plus loses to all lows definitely gold below mindset
She’s strong for sure but there are like 8 characters better than her.
Remind me, how many Marisas was on top 192 in CEO? Exactly 0, she is not that good
And how many Marisas won Red Bull Kumite South Africa? Only 1. Oh, and no other character won that tournament.
@@AwesomeYears You mean that tournament with grandfinals with online noname guile from france?
@@R4V3NU5 Every player has to start somewhere.
I’m going to dedicate all my time in Street Fighter towards destroying Marisa. It will be a sweet day indeed once all the labbing and all the pain and all the losses culminates in the ability to stop this clown in her tracks
And I as a marisa player will dedicate myself to destroying all yall who wanna shit on muscle mommie, I'll see you in ladder homie👌
@@barnabasdouglas8219 To be honest after some work on the matchup I can see where she has some flaws. I’m less salty now. Good luck out there
@@Boss__CQC yeah, she loses the more comfortable with system mechanics you are
Marisa is great, she hits you, and then you die.
Marisa's biggest weakness imo is that she has no ~great~ buttons.
Decent? Yeah. Ok? Yep. Bad? Plenty. Great? Only with charge but you can't play on only charged buttons.
Dee Jay has mixups in his buttons, air command normal that changes jump arc, plus on block mid and anti-air, slide, safe sweep, etc etc. You get me.
Best game out so far!
first time ever being first pog
As a big Nagoriyuki fan I don't think there's anyone in SF6 that fits that archetype as well as Marisa. Neutral dropping to a standstill because the other person is scared of doing anything is peak gameplay imo.
Bro I'm a big slayer fan and I feel like she's the slayer if street fighter she eve. Has similar moves like him big punch the double punch from his stance a command grab her mp is similar to his gatling punch combos there is more can't think of them right now
Is this character ever negative on block? Playing SFV in SF6 😂😂😂
Hot take but once people get used to parry and the game gets life, Marisa is going to drop to solid B tier. She's a knowledge matchup forsure.
I’m pretty sure that’s not a hot take. Even sajam has said something similar before
B tier character…sure huh? Plus on everything, armor on everything, and armour break on everything, huge damage too. What’s so “b tier” about that?
@@D4C_267 my man here has never been into training mode in his life. never even played against the character lmaoooo. clueless.
@@D4C_267 Like they said, she loses to system mechanics. She's not plus unless she's charging moves (which is way easier to parry), so she'll be limited to fewer options on offense. Her strengths are just naturally gonna weaken as people get more familiar with the game, and damage alone isn't enough to be a strong character.
@@JanusIIV She does not lose to any system mechanics. Parry doesn’t make her less plus. And perfect parry is too low reward.
Marisa is so fine though.
People don't know the counter to marissa.
Is jabbing/grabbing through her armor lol. Shit us so funny.
Its obviously not that simple but down in gold where all of us are it is.
Shows how much people dont care about the crack big and angry bird both grinder tf outta it so they’ll dominate the scene for awhile but probably fade off after
Was Marisa even in the crack?
@@kye4216 Nope lmaoooo op is coping so hard
could you or some one do a complete guide for new players? i feel like people is skiping the rules of the game against me online all day, why my anti airs dont work against opponents on air? why i suppose to do against players hitting me a bnb and jumping away the rest of the match? theres no penalty for cowardly tactics/not playing the game? what i suppose to do againts poke into throw? air pokes are like 9999 frames on advantage, they literally doing throws on combos, and i cannot do that, why i feel that the games hates me and punish me for not playing being a 20 years old sf veteran? how many exclusivity this games has for legacy players? how many tricks they are cuz i feel like i get tricket into obscure stuff only veterans know how to deal at least 10 times per match and when i start to counter some tricks game is already lost
In order:
1) Your antiairs arent hitting because your probably doing them too late. Practice it in training mode to make sure you have a feel for the proper timing. There's a setting for this if you don't want to record the cpu jumping in on you.
2) Its a video game. It's impossible to play 'cowardly'. If your opponent has a life lead and is good, a lot of times they'll sit on that life lead. Street fighter is about patience, if they jump away then you need to slowly move forward and let them corner themselves. I know it can be frustrating, but patience is the play.
3) Lab it. Set the CPU to jump in and throw, and figure out how to tech the grab. Get a feel for the timing. Ideally you don't block jump ins in the first place, see point one.
4) understand that a lot of fighting games are about finding scenarios you have trouble dealing with, and coming up with solutions on how to deal with them. Don't worry about losing games, figuring out how to counter the tricks at all is the victory. Wins will come later, I promise.
@@Pandaman64bless you for helping him ♡
Spolier alert, against Marissa.....its never your turn.
Bro what is that thumbnail? At what point do you stop beating around the bush and actually use a soyjak?
Marisa=carried. This character was made for smooth brained GGST player. No reason she should do so much damages and be plus on everything. Expect nerfs coming soon.
Lmao
Plus on her fully charged moves and most times you can sweep, jump, or grab 90% of what she does.
She also absolutely crumbles under pressure.
@@Shiratto What kind of argument are you making here? What’s your purpose? The same can be said for every character in this game.
@@D4C_267 My argument is that in order to get those plus frames she needs to sit there and charge those moves for long enough to interrupt with just about everything. Exactly what I’ve been saying.
There is very little playing safe with Marisa as she needs to be willing to take damage to get anything started. Just as much as she can eat your life for not paying attention, if you actually do you can see she that you can demolish her and mix her to death because of the gaps and startup in her pokes.
Block 4head