You can say that about the NFL and endorsements also. Linemen don’t get endorsements because no one who isn’t a coach, former player, or scout notices them unless they screw up.
Sir you are an excellent orator. I love how your arguments are a braid of both logic and passion. Very few people can present information in an intriguing manner while exhibiting intellect, passion, common sense, humor, and logic without one of those dominating the other. Thank your sir.
He knows how to talk and chase football around. He doesn’t understand football very well. His analysis is often bad and “model” is weak as water. He’s not very connected either, so he lends no real insight to behind the scenes. Josh has skill, he has a fine channel. But it’s not really breaking any ground, and most certainly shouldn’t be used if you’re putting real money on the line.
Josh Pate doesn’t know ball he just knows how to talk about teams that give him kickbacks. He’s a shill that builds hype for select teams and ignores the rest. Nothing more than a CFB E entertainment.
@@straightchristianconservative really? I only ever hear him talk about Alabama Ohio State Georgia LSU Notre Dame Michigan Oregon Florida maybe Penn State every now and then. But when he has negative videos you definitely get teams like OK state. Every now and then he sprinkles in some Texas Texas A&M but that’s it
I posted a year ago that NIL was going to become a HUGE problem not just between some schools wanting to embrace it more than others… but also the tension it’s going to cause amongst players all playing on the same team. Just today it was announced that Jalon Daniels has signed a deal with Adidas. Yes… THE Adidas. Yeah right now everything seems all funny and cute. But all of these schools are going to run into jealousy, infighting, etc. Gradey Dick was doing car commercials that run on tv all the time before he dribbled one basketball for KU. They should just do what I’ve said forever. Cut every player a check for 10-15k a year so they can all be in the EA video game and call it a day.
The Universities are already cutting the check. They're probably on the 10-15k range most of the time. Those checks are for their tuition, books, computer, food rent, etc. Likely their are some variations from school to school. I don't see any mention of this fact, much less that most of the players will never be drafted into the NFL. But they will have the opportunity to have a career, with a degree in the field that person has chosen and qualifies for. I wish we could have had that for our daughter. I wish I had one when I was in college. Nope, a whole lot of us work and take on debt to pay for our education. Tens of thousands of dollars of debt before we've worked the first day for an employer that that degree qualified us for.
Three programs that I knew would be good at nil as soon as the thing picked up..... Nebraska, Miami, Alabama, for the longest time I heard those three universities advertising that they had the biggest and best NiL collective. I didn't think that it would cause as much of a spat amongst bigger more unprepared programs as it has, but I think you might see this be one of the biggest shifts in the game ever.
@@joshupton915 Nick Saban also bragging about Brice Young's millions of dollars in nil certainly helped the nil advertising. And I still think programs like Alabama and Georgia can naturally recruit. It's just the NiL money is a little bit of icing on the cake.
Bryce young NIL wasn't helped by winning a Heisman trophy? Must have been the deep pocket collective at Alabama (wait... Dr.pepper) Imagine bama with a sugar daddy donor like phil knight at Oregon. Or if super rich businesses in Alabama (which, as someone from the state, tell me if any of those really exist) pooled money into it like they do in Miami. Publicly do and boast about in Miami. Alabama's collective, as an alum who has received letters on this.. is paid for by alumni and contributions from fans all around the country. No deep pocket corporate stuff like some others you should definitely mention before Bama like Miami, TA&M and Oregon.
@@jtjr26 I have never and will never understand that free education and food was never factored into benefits afforded to college athletes. It's almost as if no one thinks that is of actual value
@@jackblack8412 Right?? I mean are you and I the only two people on the planet who think this entire thing is just garbage? Kids get to sit out of bowl games if they want. That's INSANELY retarded. When you take into account that they got a college education, for what that's worth today, AND they get paid by these NIL deals. And then they STILL sit out the bowl...... this is exactly what happens when people don't elect me as dictator. The world goes to $H*T
NCAA & coaches & ADs had like 50 years to figure out a fair system - and they fought sharing their sweet, sweet $$$$$ with the players the whole way. So now the NCAA gets NIL. Welcome to the world the NCAA created.
I honestly don't think coaches wanted to not pay players. They just wanted a level playing field and the NCAA just stonewalled and slow-played an already slow process to increase compensation evenly. This whole thing is a crap show though. The NFL has talent-balancing mechanisms like a draft, trades, and a salary cap. CFB is now basically all free agency all of the time.
I wonder if coach pay will start to decline. Instead of hiring a 10 million dollar coach, a program could hire a 1 million dollar coach and 9 million dollars worth of players.
If wrestling isn't a revenue generating sport then why should they have access to the revenue the football players are generating from their labor and health? They should be generating their own revenue and not leaching off the student athletes who lay their health on the line to make it.
@@roris5882 Its very simple…..Wrestling has 24 national championships and football has ZERO. Those peeps that donate to the collective have generational commitment to wrestling program
@@kryptokc3800 Then they should donate to the Wrestling NIL Collective so the wrestlers get the $. Iowa doesn't need to waste the money on a new castle for the wrestling program to train in.
Good stuff! This ppl need better understanding of the overall college sports marketplace. Soon they will understand and thank you for speaking to it. I have great knowledge and opinions concerning this as well so you most definitely have a supporter.
Scholarships are the only form of payment schools are allowed to compensate their athletes with. All NIL has to come from outside of the schools like endorsement deals and sponsorships. The players are already generating Billions in TV revenue for the schools from their labor and health and the NCAA ruled it's against their rules for the players to be able to receive their fair share of it. A lawsuit against the NCAA has already been filed because they are violating US labor law by denying players the ability to negotiate for their fair share of the revenue they generate. So the players getting paid out of the TV revenue is probably eventually going happen.
@@roris5882 When they are making the NIL money off of the school/taxpayer funded platform...they should not be paid and get free school. Sorry, I totally disagree with this NIL...but then, I am not a big college sports fan anyway. But, this does not bode well for college parity that has always been a "concern" and overall college sports.
@@jimmywarren6685 so you're wilfully ignorant on the subject since you claim "I'm not a big college sports fan". And yet you feel the need to tell them what they should or shouldn't be doing??? People these days... On top of that, watching other people's pockets the way that you are makes it clear you have that... "crabs in a bucket mentality". Stop that please!
They'll have to be careful. The NCAA still does not permit schools to pay student athletes, and as soon as you start mixing school brand money with NIL money, you raise the specter of pay-to-play. Also, Title IX really may jump into play at that point.
@@roris5882 If you were right, schools would be able to pay players directly. If NCAA decides the deals look too much like the schools paying the students, it could hammer them without violating labor laws. And it could get a lot more complicated than that. Josh's idea sounds like it would have schools arguably splitting their brand money with the players. And under that scenario, Title IX would probably require equal treatment of female athletes. I never practiced law in the area of higher education, but I do see issues.
@@greenwave819 I have no interest in stopping it, I'm a football fan. But I'm also a lawyer, and I naturally look for issues that will probably arise. And here's something I'd give odds on - Congress isn't going to repeal Title IX anytime soon.
@@bjs301 i think the general idea is that if other sports, especially women’s sports, try to use title IX to force universities to pay them as much as the football teams, the universities will just drop all sports outside of football. Not women’s sports, no need for title IX.
@@fnkdtnk Which would violate Title IX. You can't get around the law by eliminating women's sports. That's a bigger violation. And by the way, there's no chance any of the big schools would eliminate basketball, wrestling, or any of the other profitable men's sports, even if they were foolish enough to think it would deal with Title IX issues.
@@anthonyrobinson624 Iowa has talent For Christ sake! Their 5 star DB just scored his first touchdown in his first start. Talent isn’t the issue! The crappy OC and his crap O line is the problem!
Thank you Josh. Been saying this on the Michigan board all season for those backing their AD shortsighted NiL vision. Thankfully the new president has the same vision as you
The Iowa AD may be thinking farther ahead that most of us. The universities are not suppose to be part of the NIL process. Nobody knows how to enforce anything right now so everybody is doing it. But one day they may crack down on the universities involvement in NIL. He may just be saying that the collective can do whatever they want, but I need to keep my university out of it. He may also have donors that don't what their private financial information shared with the collective. I know that I don't want the university that I donate to, to send a pack of fundraisers after me to start nagging me every day. Once you make a donation, you are of the hot list that they will pester the heck out you continuously. They are as bad as telemarketers. There is nothing stopping those donors from contacting the collective directly (which is what the rules say they should do) and let the university remain pristine. For some reason, they believe it is the universities responsibility to be directly involved with the collective. Are other schools doing it? Absolutely. Are they putting themselves at risk that one day the NCAA starts handing out penalties to those universities? Absolutely. Then that Iowa AD will start looking pretty dang smart.
ADs are greedy and corrupt. They want the big time donor money flowing into their own pockets so they can manage it instead of it going to a trusted NIL Collective and using the profits from football to do whatever the donors want so they aren't breaking any rules.
NIL is going 2 ruin College football unless players are payed for their performance on the field period, when u have schools who don't gaf about how players perform in class it's a problem, if u make them earn that nil money it's going 2 change alot of what's going on, hell at some of these schools all u have 2 do to stay eligible 2 is keep a 2.0 gpa say what somebody please tell me the grade u need 2 keep what's that a damn C- too a C+ are u serious, have u ever noticed that player's who go 2 bama or top SEC schools they they never say I'm going here because of the academics they offer, they never say that, it's because those schools when it comes 2 sports especially 🏈 they don't GAD about academics that's why the GPA is so low so u can play, they take advantage of young black athletes because they don't care if you're smart in the classroom they'll make it easy for u, because they want u on that damn football field period, that goes for alot of schools, they make it so it's damn near impossible for u 2 mess up and if u do then hey it's not their fault u couldn't keep a C- avg it's insane 2 me and most of those kids don't make it, do u really think Nick S cares when he can just plug in the next 4 or 5🌟 kid come on people
But their r schools who care about both and those grades come first and u won't be playing with a C- avg trust me and alot of guys choose that route because they don't have 2 work hard in the classroom, I think that's what Keon was thinking when he decomitted from ND and went 2 BAMA because it wasn't about NIL I think he knew it would be easier when it comes 2 academics and he didn't have 2 work even though he would've had any problems at ND when it comes 2 that but we are tougher on students about that and u have 2 keep a much higher GPA 2 play
Josh, you are spot on! In my world we talk about technology platforms. In the world of college sports the universities should and will become brand platforms.
I'm at State U and we feel we need to upgrade out facilities. For Women's volleyball. I can raise any $$$ because it went to buy a DT on the football team. We are at a point where a lot of competing interest that are going to have to be figured out.
Half of the TV revenue should be going to the football players on the rosters who generate it from their labor and health. They should even offer upperclassmen a bonus every season to incentivise players to stay at the same school. If everyone received a $100K base pay they could offer upperclassmen a $15K bonus every new year for developing at the same program.
A Donor list being potentially released to the public is a big deal. It'll become a window into the vast networks of "Dark Money" that have trapped large parts our society today. A public list for these collectives would essentially provide a legitimate test case for the implementation of "financial transparency" laws. Donors of a any national political persuasion being known publicly by their money that will pervade athletic collectives is not the best thing to do to keep a low profile. Any of you who claim to support a "leveling" of the playing field should also reflect on how a different type of "collective" impacts you.
Speaking of B Roll: Was that four schools represented in your ‘look it’s pictures! don’t turn that….click?’ The inclusion of the University of Oregon. Invest more thought into your distractions. Men’s golf was a token example….as was track and field….do you know how many men’s and women’s sports Oregon is a national title contender in every year? Best facilities? There is no contender.
College athletes deserve a cut of revenue to pay bills and put food in their fridge turned into let’s play the top 1% of athletes a ton of money to play for our school real quick
@@CoolHandLuke813 no I know I’m agreeing with you. They just used that talking point of getting college athletes a little more money for their efforts as an excuse to be able to pay the top athletes to come to their school. It was never about the kids
Coming out of high school you can make good money playing baseball, basketball, hockey, just about any sport BUT not with football and typically you wind up with some kind of injury for life! These major schools make MILLIONS upon MILLIONS of dollars and especially with TV contracts. Its time to have a system to compensate a kid who is good enough to help bring attention to the school he plays for. if you are good enough to play at that level then you should be paid on a production tiered system being $40,000 at the lowest salary. If you graduate with a degree then you get a financial bonus for doing so. On top of this, a kid should be able to make deals with companies for money. Imagine the money that CJ Stroud made THE Ohio State University last Saturday and that generates MILLIONS of funds for professors to have salaries, research you name it!!! PAY THEM AND HAVE STRUCTURED FAIR SYSTEM IN PLACE. There is no where to go out of high school to make money if your good at football. Basketball players can go to Europe, Baseball players to Japan, South Korea, ETC. Do not give me excuses for sports like swimming or volleyball. Football is so much harder on the body its ridiculous
Yup, the players are the ones generating the Billions in TV revenue because they are the product being sold. That's why they should be earning their fair share of the TV revenue they generate from their labor and health. A lawsuit against the NCAA has already been filed because the NCAA is violating US labor law by preventing workers (players) from having access to the money they generate. It's only a matter of time.
But they aren’t workers they are student athletes. Thanks for playing thou. They don’t deserve a dime. They get free education. You know the $150k+ debts when most kids graduate. They are debt free. Nil is destroying college football. All good with me. It’s all Downhill from here. Kids are students. They don’t like it don’t play football. Everyone makes money off of someone else’s hard work. It’s called business Nancy.
This is how the NCAA crumbles. And Title 9 will crush all the rest of the sports, when college basketball and football is no longer tied to university athletic departments and neither are the profits from those organizations.
The conferences are making too much in TV revenue to keep it all from the workers (players) who generate it from their labor and health. They can no longer hide it all as part of the university's infistructure or for scholarships. The players want their fair share because they are the product being sold.
Why can't the universities all forms their own individual and IL pools through donations and boosters and then it be evenly distributed throughout the whole team everybody gets paid for their trouble and efforts? If you win as a team and you lose as a team you should get payed as a team. Don't get me wrong I know it's way more complicated than that but it's a start
Because not every university has the same level of donors. Some universities care about some sports over others. Colleges are not NFL franchises, they are hundred year old institutions that can’t simply just whip up whatever amount of money they want to at any given time.
I look at this as a whole new era here. This will be like Baseball. Once you pay players, this ceases to be College Football. The NCAA is reduced to having what's left of football players after these other players choose whether to play Minor League Football. Just like MILB. You still have College Baseball players, after they choose whether to get paid to play( minor leagues) versus in College( not paid to play). Whole new Leagues will be created for the top teams now in BCS. Who wants to go to College to attend classes or study or even care be cause mostly these teams are not bringing in players that are not interested in an education in the 1st place.
Imo colleges should of been allowed to pay players as employees and go from there. Doing like brands should of been either and option and not primarily. It would seem the university has the money to pay athletes even though some could argue it would be uneven and maybe not sustainable.
Nil isnt going to make it. Corporations big enough to fund this have so many different factions but all want to know ROI and its just not there with NIL. Look at DJ and Dr Pepper, theu paid $1m for a qb that sucked. Hell even Bryce had an off season compared to last.....
I knew from the beginning this would be a mess! Everything the government touches goes to shit! There should have been guidelines in place in the very beginning! I'm glad these guys are getting paid, but it's already destroying some of these young men's careers! For goodness sake, they are freshmen in college!!
Josh title lX is gender equality if you do $1 for the football team and it's a male program you have to do $1 for a female program. The NCAA had no idea what they were doing just wait it will get there. I just like to be the attorney representing the athletes in that lawsuit.
Deions already ahead of the curve. Whether other schools want to admit it. He’s getting his kids endorsement deals. That’s how you NIL is supposed to be done. Not some powerful booster buying access to a kid!
I think NIL should literally be for football and basketball only. They are the only programs that make the school money. The other programs don’t do anything but cost the schools money like a leach. I get they are part of college which is great but NIL should only be for sports that bring money to the school. Business is business
The donor money should be going to a trusted NIL Collective and the profits from football should be used for whatever the donors want so they aren't breaking any rules. They just need to restructure their finances but the ADs are greedy and they want all the donor money flowing into their own pockets so they can "manage" it.
UGA football appears to do NIL right. Players can make money once they produce on the field. That might be oversimplified, but I read that is the case. Go Dawgs!!!
@@1980hgf your wrong because in the end you'll start 2 see who the real student athletes are as well as getting the players who don't mind working for theirs instead of instant gratification, instead of getting the ones who might transfer after 1yr because they didn't play enough, ask Texas AM how that worked out 4 them
@@1980hgf yet look at players who took NIL money from schools but signed with other schools. You can google for examples. If you get a player due to NIL $$$ you will often not get a player loyal to the program.
The one thing that nobody is talking about is that there’s a very good chance that NIL will be used to influence games. Players and teams will get paid to throw a game. There’s some potential “evidence” of this happening already. It’s going to get real ugly if that happens too. Money corrupts all.
Yep, that’s why professional sports have such strict and specific contracts with every player in the league. Or say something like this happens… you’re paid by a company that has certain ethics (like chick fil-a) not being open on Sundays. Would that player maybe start making decisions that benefit his wallet over the success of the team??
So if boosters want to run all the money into football what happens to the basketball first schools (Duke,Kentucky,NC,Indiana,Kansas,Uconn,etc)Do they take the money from football ? Kansas would rather buy a 6'9" five star power forward than left tackle for football. And what if Iowa boosters puts all the money into football and then Caitlyn Clark transfers ? Don't under estimate how popular she is in Iowa
I really like Joel Klatt's ideas on how to fix NIL with respect to tampering and registering of NIL sources and agents. I'm expanding on his thoughts, so my ideas might not be totally in line with the things he proposed. Clearly a full-ride scholarship given to a fb or a bb player -- the predominance of other sports on campus give out partial rides -- is effectively a contract between a university and its student-athletes within these two sports, and it's obvious that there are some schools which have approached players who have been under scholarship at other universities -- I can think of at least two instances of this because they were blatant tampering and have been confirmed, and I think you know of the instances to which I refer. These acts should never be allowed and should be punished, except for the problem of their being corroborated and being brought out into the open. And let me add that a school is not likely to pull a scholarship within four years except for a student-athlete not obeying, say, rules of conduct and maintaining classroom performance. People have excused things like tampering in stating that employees outside of sports have the freewill to be able to move about as they please. But this doesn't apply to people like Troy Aikman or Tony Romo who are under contract at ESPN (Disney, or whatever) and CBS, respectively. Negotiations for their moving occur (or have occurred) close to the end of their current contracts for a period extending from the point of the end of their current or previous. For week-to-week or month-to-month employees at Google or wherever, they are able to move on provided they give sufficient notice, or at least they should give notice, so as to not burn any of their bridges. Similarly, though, contracts for college head coaches are not respected, and another school can move in and pay the buyout, if there is one, and do negotiations seemingly undercover, regardless. But it's just as wrong, because it should at least ask the coach's current university employer if it can negotiate with him before it starts. A lateral move in the NFL of HC from one team to another is probably not allowed, because a contract is deemed a contract in the League. But I can understand why it might not be considered enforceable in college because there are various divisions/levels in cfb, so a move might not be considered a lateral one, as well as a buyout being apt compensation (or overstated to prevent negotiations for a move) for the loss of a HC. But at least, a school looking for a new HC should at least have the common decency to obtain permission of the candidate's current employer if it can talk with him. The NFL is out in the open with contracts, terms, money, etc, and the NCAA if it's headed toward contracts approaching the NFL's should be fully disclosed. NIL agents and sources should be registered with the NCAA, and as Klatt stated, they should have to take classes to know the guardrails to understand acceptable behavior, and then obviously to hold them accountable. A university can absolve itself from being culpable, but it shouldn't be excused from its sanctioned NIL sources. As far as a player outside of these bounds obtaining NIL, these sources should probably be disclosed also. I don't know if all the SEC is all for players like Bryce Young getting a nice deal with a particular well-known beverage company, but if the other teams' fans don't like it, they don't have to drink Dr. Pepper.
We went from paying college athletes to being expected to give big sums of money to unproven players that haven't even set foot on campus....The former makes sense.the later? Ridiculous. Come prove you deserve it.
Josh's path forward is the rich get richer. At least right now, a few wealthy Oklahoma State donors can compete with Oklahoma donors for recruits - but once it comes to brand value, Oklahoma State can not only not compete, but will be restricted from growing their brand (as talented players are key to success, and long term success is key to building a brand).
Yeah, the reality of things is that in 95% of schools, FOOTBALL IS KING!!! Football is what brings in the donations...unless you're Kentucky/Duke/North Carolina, it's all about the Football! The schools that don't evolve with the winds of change will just have to close up shop when it comes to Athletics.
Football keeps everything moving !!!! If it wasn’t for football most of women’s sports probably wouldn’t exist. I know football keeps sports going in our small high school and I’m sure it’s the same every where.
College student athletes that receive NIL should be held accountable to "PLAY" sports or ""report to work" in order to recieve funds. All of this "opting out" of bowl games is really just them NOT SHOWING UP TO WORK. All of these NIL deals needs to be also based on "PROFORMANCE VALUE" while they are at "work" meaning playing whatever sport it is that they play. The NIL needs to add all scholarships and living expenses while at college into as "value of payment" while the student athlete plays for their sport. Just like you and I we are "under an microscope" at work to preform our best while we are working while produces the best products that we provide..correct.? While if the student athlete doesn't produce " opting out" of playing in games then he/she is the same as not working to produce value for themselves and their team brand. All of these college scholarships have to be a major part of the NIL process so when not getting a degree that should affect your NIL deal. Also all NIL deals should have timeframe limits meaning if a player signs an NIL then they are committed for like 2 years without entering the transfer portal. If they break that agreement then NIL deal should be canceled and payback should be adjusted as planned. If this student athletes want to act like real employees out in the real world then they should be held accountable just like real work employees out in the real world..accountability should be one of the most important aspects of NIL deals no matter the dollar amount of that deal. This would help to slow down all of these thousands of student athletes entering the transfer portal after each season is over from year to year. No wonderful some of these bowl games sux so badly is that all of this "opting out of starting players" has affected how the team preforms on the field. I'll never go to another bowl game again until the bowl games are attached to the new playoffs structure. When we have this new 12 team playoffs then we know at least 14 bowl games are going to mean something special leading up to the National Championship bowl game. So at least the Top 25 teams will now have a stake in the end game every year wanting to play in the playoff bowl games. All of these issues with NIL, opting out, transfer portal, not going to classes, not getting degrees, not caring about scholarships issues would work themselves out when these student athletes made and hold up on their word with "their committments". If not then we are seeing the beginning of the end to college sports as we have known it to be over about a hundred years or more. Damn shame not only for college football but for all college sports.
You'd see a lot of "fake" injuries in that case if bowl opt-out were no longer allowed with NIL. I say "fake" in quotes because everyone is injured in some way by the end of a season (except maybe the kickers and the holder). Perhaps a better way to say it is that you'd see a lot of "exaggerated" injuries. And TBH some of them are probably injured and just saying "opt out to focus on their future" so they don't spook draft scouts with an injury report.
He didn’t mention that lsu female recruiter slept with 3 lsu football players and wr coach at the the hotel when they had there bowl game they ran a train. Wr coach got fired so now you know what these recruiters are doing to get players on there team smhhh
As a PSU fan, I like moving in the direction of brand value. Crazy to believe, but we're still the most consequential college football program stretching from Maine to Virginia down I-95. I know James Franklin along with the new AD are forward thinkers when it comes to expanding PSU's recruiting and marketing footprint. The new B1G TV deal certainly helps. But if we can lock down New England, NYC, Philly, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, DMV, and Richmond as Nittany Nation, then our brand value will be among the top in the nation.
Ummm delusional much? You mean the home of Sandusky and the shamed paterno? Molester University? Ok. Last time penn st won a natty please? Keep living in your dram world.
NFL teams bring in 9-13 guys a year and they pay them on a scale knowing those guys can’t just leave next year. Plus they have a combine and 3 yrs of college fb to fully vet the guys they draft. Colleges bring in 21-28 each year. How in thee hell would they be able to pay that number of kids each year? It won’t work. And many of these guys won’t play for a year or two (if ever) while still bringing in more each year. The sec/acc model is not sustainable and those guys are gonna tap out and then complain to get rules and sanctions
More money, more problems. College athletics was never meant to be a paid leisure activity. Sure, the corruption and big whigs needed/needs to be addressed, but this NIL garbage is simply going to make the sport worse and the entire system is going to fail in terms of what it was built for. Garbage garbage garbage.
The collectives own the semi-pro teams . The Universities should get out of minor league football. Let the collectives stick their companies logo on the side of the helmets. This sport is dead and has nothing to do with the schools
I gotcha. Free advertising, general exposure, most of them own businesses in and around the university so the better talent the better the program the more people buy tickets and shop around the stadium. They get there return for sure.
Every Bowl team versus the CFP Top 25 AKA The 2022 best vs the best FINAL list of Bowl teams vs. THE CFP committee's final top25. Listed in order of number of contests, win percentage of those contests, then by ranking. Florida 2-5 } 7 contests STANFORD 1-6 ================ 1. Georgia* 6-0 8. Utah* 3-3 } 6 contests 10. USC 3-3 ================ 5. Alabama 3-2 6. Tennessee 3-2 15. Oregon 2-3 } 5 contests 17. LSU 2-3 WAZZU 0-5 ================ 3. TCU 3-1 12. Washington 3-1 4. Ohio State 2-2 18.UCLA 2-2 19. South Carolina 2-2 21. Notre Dame** 2-2 7. Clemson* 1-3 9. Kansas State* 1-3 14.Oregon State 1-3 20. Texas 1-3 Maryland 1-3 Texas Tech 1-3 } 4 contests Missouri 1-3 Arkansas 1-3 Miss 1-3 Kentucky 1-3 Syracuse 1-3 N Carolina 0-4 Ok 0-4 =============== 2. Michigan* 2-1 11. Penn State 1-2 13. Florida State 1-2 Ok St 1-2 Wake Forest 1-2 } 3 contests Louisville 1-2 22. Mississippi State 0-3 Purdue 0-3 Baylor 0-3 Kansas 0-3 ================ 16. Tulane* 2-0 23. NC State 1-1 Pitt 1-1 UCF 1-1 Houston 1-1 Marshall 1-1 Southern Miss 1-1 25. UTSA* 0-2 Fresno St* 0-2 Illinois 0-2 Iowa 0-2 Memphis 0-2 } 2 contests Bowling Green 0-2 E Carolina 0-2 Louisiana 0-2 Western Ky 0-2 South Bama 0-2 SMU 0-2 BYU 0-2 North Tex 0-2 UConn 0-2 Rice 0-2 =============== 24. Troy* 1-0 Toledo* 0-1 Boise St 0-1 Minn 0-1 Ohio 0-1 Utah St 0-1 } 1 contest Coastal Car 0-1 Wisc 0-1 Midd Tenn 0-1 SDSU 0-1 UAB 0-1 Cincinnati 0-1 =============== Miami (OH) 0-0 East Mich 0-0 San José St 0-0 Liberty 0-0 Air Force 0-0 New Mex St 0-0 Ga So 0-0 Buffalo 0-0 Duke 0-0 Wyoming 0-0 ---------------------- I've include only ONE non bowl team in this FINAL list...STANFORD. I included them for illustration purpose, that being that they are the ONLY team in the nation to face 7 CFP committee top 25 teams solely during the course of their regular season schedule (including Five consecutively before mid-October). As you can see...to date(I'm not including the NC game), only three teams have passed the test of defeating every CFP T25 placed in their path. Here they are: (Georgia 6-0, Tulane 2-0, Troy 1-0). As you can also see, beating REAL top 25 teams is very difficult. Another important observation, Most of the teams avoid playing more than 2 or 3 final T25 teams all year, And when they DO, THEY FAIL, and the failure increases the more they have to play late season ranked teams. After the NC game Georgia will join the 7's, TCU The 5's.
@@1980hgf Well it can be read many different ways , perhaps the most significant is that rankings are meaningless until you look at them holistically at the end. The thing that surprises me the most is that most big name teams had at least the opportunity to go at least 3-0 vs final top 25 opponents, yet they all failed except for Georgia....Which in the end is also fairly meaningless because we all saw what 2-1(at the time) Ohio State did. My conclusion ultimately is, how the QB plays that day, (and even further how does he perform in each quarter of a game). This seems to be the x factor.
so apparently in november tennessee had a fight between hendon hooker and our LB jeremy banks, and people have theories that the defense purposely lost the south carolina games
@@w.jasonspangler2952 well i thought that too, but then tennessee made clemson look like a trashcan so the defense is way better than allowing spencer rattler to throw for 450
Iowa isn’t a premier brand, they are a second tier at best. I’m sorry, let’s face NIL is about a particular athletes worth/value they can bring a brand/company. Women athletics just isn’t going to pull the $ unless they can do other things to help there(athletes own brand worth) by mixing other things with being an athlete at a university. Plus different locations in the country different non Football/Basketball sports are more popular.
It's kinda BS that offensive lineman get very little whereas QBs, WRs, RBs are making stacks. Let's see how the others would do without an o-line.
You can say that about the NFL and endorsements also. Linemen don’t get endorsements because no one who isn’t a coach, former player, or scout notices them unless they screw up.
@Ernie H if I was a QB I would split my money with my o-line.
The same thing happened in the NFL... When it's all said and done it will work itself like it did in the NFL.
A sad reality for the most important positions on the field
Same as saying pay fast food workers more
Josh does lay out his arguments very well.
Dudes a shill that says whatever the person signing his checks wants him to say.
I always thought NIL meant NIL. Name, image, and likeness...... not pay for play.
Sir you are an excellent orator. I love how your arguments are a braid of both logic and passion. Very few people can present information in an intriguing manner while exhibiting intellect, passion, common sense, humor, and logic without one of those dominating the other. Thank your sir.
Josh Pate knows the game, on the field and behind the scenes
He knows how to talk and chase football around. He doesn’t understand football very well. His analysis is often bad and “model” is weak as water. He’s not very connected either, so he lends no real insight to behind the scenes. Josh has skill, he has a fine channel. But it’s not really breaking any ground, and most certainly shouldn’t be used if you’re putting real money on the line.
@@watchonly8784 most ftbl fans I've ever met think gamblin' on ftbl is stewpid.
Josh Pate doesn’t know ball he just knows how to talk about teams that give him kickbacks. He’s a shill that builds hype for select teams and ignores the rest. Nothing more than a CFB E entertainment.
@@jellyc4164 that's funny, 'cause my only complaint is that he covers too many teams.
@@straightchristianconservative really? I only ever hear him talk about Alabama Ohio State Georgia LSU Notre Dame Michigan Oregon Florida maybe Penn State every now and then. But when he has negative videos you definitely get teams like OK state. Every now and then he sprinkles in some Texas Texas A&M but that’s it
I posted a year ago that NIL was going to become a HUGE problem not just between some schools wanting to embrace it more than others… but also the tension it’s going to cause amongst players all playing on the same team.
Just today it was announced that Jalon Daniels has signed a deal with Adidas. Yes… THE Adidas. Yeah right now everything seems all funny and cute. But all of these schools are going to run into jealousy, infighting, etc.
Gradey Dick was doing car commercials that run on tv all the time before he dribbled one basketball for KU.
They should just do what I’ve said forever. Cut every player a check for 10-15k a year so they can all be in the EA video game and call it a day.
10k is nothing compared to what these P5 players are getting lol.
The Universities are already cutting the check. They're probably on the 10-15k range most of the time. Those checks are for their tuition, books, computer, food rent, etc. Likely their are some variations from school to school. I don't see any mention of this fact, much less that most of the players will never be drafted into the NFL. But they will have the opportunity to have a career, with a degree in the field that person has chosen and qualifies for. I wish we could have had that for our daughter. I wish I had one when I was in college. Nope, a whole lot of us work and take on debt to pay for our education. Tens of thousands of dollars of debt before we've worked the first day for an employer that that degree qualified us for.
@Aron Campos I agree, it's not. But 10k pays for a really good chunk of tuition and living costs.
Worst thing that could have ever happened is no reg on NIL. It went from legit NIL to pay for play.
When we talk of NIL I feel like I need to take a shower afterwards.
Three programs that I knew would be good at nil as soon as the thing picked up..... Nebraska, Miami, Alabama, for the longest time I heard those three universities advertising that they had the biggest and best NiL collective.
I didn't think that it would cause as much of a spat amongst bigger more unprepared programs as it has, but I think you might see this be one of the biggest shifts in the game ever.
whoever is telling you Alabama's collective is in the top is incorrect. We still attract players thru development and championship potential, not NIL.
@@joshupton915 Nick Saban also bragging about Brice Young's millions of dollars in nil certainly helped the nil advertising.
And I still think programs like Alabama and Georgia can naturally recruit.
It's just the NiL money is a little bit of icing on the cake.
Replace Bama with Michigan
I think you have to include Texas A&M and Tennessee.
Bryce young NIL wasn't helped by winning a Heisman trophy? Must have been the deep pocket collective at Alabama (wait... Dr.pepper) Imagine bama with a sugar daddy donor like phil knight at Oregon. Or if super rich businesses in Alabama (which, as someone from the state, tell me if any of those really exist) pooled money into it like they do in Miami. Publicly do and boast about in Miami. Alabama's collective, as an alum who has received letters on this.. is paid for by alumni and contributions from fans all around the country. No deep pocket corporate stuff like some others you should definitely mention before Bama like Miami, TA&M and Oregon.
ALLSTATE INSURANCE announces it will sponsor NIL for only offensive lineman
Thats awesome
NIL and transfer portal NEVER should have been allowed. College football is just like the NFL now. All that matters is the money. It's disgusting.
College football was all about money before the NIL and the transfer portal existed. Now the players can get a share of it as well.
@@jtjr26 I have never and will never understand that free education and food was never factored into benefits afforded to college athletes. It's almost as if no one thinks that is of actual value
Preachhhhhhhhhhh. So right bro. I stopped watching almost everything except the biggest games because of it
@@jackblack8412 Right?? I mean are you and I the only two people on the planet who think this entire thing is just garbage? Kids get to sit out of bowl games if they want. That's INSANELY retarded. When you take into account that they got a college education, for what that's worth today, AND they get paid by these NIL deals. And then they STILL sit out the bowl...... this is exactly what happens when people don't elect me as dictator. The world goes to $H*T
@@tastycar it's worth 6 figures at most schools.
NIL a problem? Who knew??
NCAA & coaches & ADs had like 50 years to figure out a fair system - and they fought sharing their sweet, sweet $$$$$ with the players the whole way. So now the NCAA gets NIL. Welcome to the world the NCAA created.
I honestly don't think coaches wanted to not pay players. They just wanted a level playing field and the NCAA just stonewalled and slow-played an already slow process to increase compensation evenly.
This whole thing is a crap show though. The NFL has talent-balancing mechanisms like a draft, trades, and a salary cap. CFB is now basically all free agency all of the time.
IMHO the NCAA is DOA. They can't possibly keep up with what is coming. This is NOT College Athletics!
I wonder if coach pay will start to decline. Instead of hiring a 10 million dollar coach, a program could hire a 1 million dollar coach and 9 million dollars worth of players.
No you can have all the talent in the world and it means squat without top coaching. Just look at the Texas Longhorns and Texas AM
Look at what bama football for example brings in and tell me Saban is not worth every penny. I could even make a legit argument Saban is undervalued.
Josh knows his stuff.
Josh-
This has a lot to do with wrestling........Iowa wrestling is very important and the fear is they will lose that wrestling money to Football.
If wrestling isn't a revenue generating sport then why should they have access to the revenue the football players are generating from their labor and health? They should be generating their own revenue and not leaching off the student athletes who lay their health on the line to make it.
@@roris5882 Its very simple…..Wrestling has 24 national championships and football has ZERO. Those peeps that donate to the collective have generational commitment to wrestling program
@@kryptokc3800 Then they should donate to the Wrestling NIL Collective so the wrestlers get the $. Iowa doesn't need to waste the money on a new castle for the wrestling program to train in.
I’m from Iowa and only 2 people there even care about wrestling. They aren’t even a wrestling school anymore. Penn state is.
@@kryptokc3800 Iowa has a National title in Football. I’ve had my picture taken with the Trophy.
Good stuff! This ppl need better understanding of the overall college sports marketplace. Soon they will understand and thank you for speaking to it. I have great knowledge and opinions concerning this as well so you most definitely have a supporter.
Well constructed argument here. I wonder about privacy concerns too- as a donor, I certainly don’t want my info shared to anyone for any reason.
If these players are being paid...why do they get scholarships?
Scholarships are the only form of payment schools are allowed to compensate their athletes with. All NIL has to come from outside of the schools like endorsement deals and sponsorships. The players are already generating Billions in TV revenue for the schools from their labor and health and the NCAA ruled it's against their rules for the players to be able to receive their fair share of it. A lawsuit against the NCAA has already been filed because they are violating US labor law by denying players the ability to negotiate for their fair share of the revenue they generate. So the players getting paid out of the TV revenue is probably eventually going happen.
@@roris5882 When they are making the NIL money off of the school/taxpayer funded platform...they should not be paid and get free school. Sorry, I totally disagree with this NIL...but then, I am not a big college sports fan anyway. But, this does not bode well for college parity that has always been a "concern" and overall college sports.
@@jimmywarren6685 so you're wilfully ignorant on the subject since you claim "I'm not a big college sports fan". And yet you feel the need to tell them what they should or shouldn't be doing??? People these days...
On top of that, watching other people's pockets the way that you are makes it clear you have that... "crabs in a bucket mentality". Stop that please!
They'll have to be careful. The NCAA still does not permit schools to pay student athletes, and as soon as you start mixing school brand money with NIL money, you raise the specter of pay-to-play. Also, Title IX really may jump into play at that point.
The NCAA can't enforce anything because they are violating US labor law by preventing workers (players) from earning their fair share.
@@roris5882 If you were right, schools would be able to pay players directly. If NCAA decides the deals look too much like the schools paying the students, it could hammer them without violating labor laws. And it could get a lot more complicated than that. Josh's idea sounds like it would have schools arguably splitting their brand money with the players. And under that scenario, Title IX would probably require equal treatment of female athletes. I never practiced law in the area of higher education, but I do see issues.
@@greenwave819 I have no interest in stopping it, I'm a football fan. But I'm also a lawyer, and I naturally look for issues that will probably arise. And here's something I'd give odds on - Congress isn't going to repeal Title IX anytime soon.
@@bjs301 i think the general idea is that if other sports, especially women’s sports, try to use title IX to force universities to pay them as much as the football teams, the universities will just drop all sports outside of football. Not women’s sports, no need for title IX.
@@fnkdtnk Which would violate Title IX. You can't get around the law by eliminating women's sports. That's a bigger violation. And by the way, there's no chance any of the big schools would eliminate basketball, wrestling, or any of the other profitable men's sports, even if they were foolish enough to think it would deal with Title IX issues.
Just example here if you got 53 players on roster each player will receive 50;000dollars each.
Iowa's first priority should be finding an OC.
They need talent
Nepotism on steroids
I'd like to suggest Josh Gattis at Miami...I'll help him pack his bags.
First priority should be forcing Kirk to retire and Firing that clown Barta.
@@anthonyrobinson624 Iowa has talent For Christ sake! Their 5 star DB just scored his first touchdown in his first start. Talent isn’t the issue! The crappy OC and his crap O line is the problem!
Thank you Josh. Been saying this on the Michigan board all season for those backing their AD shortsighted NiL vision. Thankfully the new president has the same vision as you
The Iowa AD may be thinking farther ahead that most of us. The universities are not suppose to be part of the NIL process. Nobody knows how to enforce anything right now so everybody is doing it. But one day they may crack down on the universities involvement in NIL. He may just be saying that the collective can do whatever they want, but I need to keep my university out of it. He may also have donors that don't what their private financial information shared with the collective. I know that I don't want the university that I donate to, to send a pack of fundraisers after me to start nagging me every day. Once you make a donation, you are of the hot list that they will pester the heck out you continuously. They are as bad as telemarketers. There is nothing stopping those donors from contacting the collective directly (which is what the rules say they should do) and let the university remain pristine. For some reason, they believe it is the universities responsibility to be directly involved with the collective. Are other schools doing it? Absolutely. Are they putting themselves at risk that one day the NCAA starts handing out penalties to those universities? Absolutely. Then that Iowa AD will start looking pretty dang smart.
ADs are greedy and corrupt. They want the big time donor money flowing into their own pockets so they can manage it instead of it going to a trusted NIL Collective and using the profits from football to do whatever the donors want so they aren't breaking any rules.
Uhhh, wrong. Nice try.
Since when has anyone in that athletic department let alone Barta seen anything long term? They still live in the 90s.
Iowa offered 5 star Kadyn Proctor more money than Alabama. Iowa has money, full of rich farmers..and doctors.
You’re in the matrix Jake. NIL And transfer portal are ruining this sport
I mean josh
NIL is going 2 ruin College football unless players are payed for their performance on the field period, when u have schools who don't gaf about how players perform in class it's a problem, if u make them earn that nil money it's going 2 change alot of what's going on, hell at some of these schools all u have 2 do to stay eligible 2 is keep a 2.0 gpa say what somebody please tell me the grade u need 2 keep what's that a damn C- too a C+ are u serious, have u ever noticed that player's who go 2 bama or top SEC schools they they never say I'm going here because of the academics they offer, they never say that, it's because those schools when it comes 2 sports especially 🏈 they don't GAD about academics that's why the GPA is so low so u can play, they take advantage of young black athletes because they don't care if you're smart in the classroom they'll make it easy for u, because they want u on that damn football field period, that goes for alot of schools, they make it so it's damn near impossible for u 2 mess up and if u do then hey it's not their fault u couldn't keep a C- avg it's insane 2 me and most of those kids don't make it, do u really think Nick S cares when he can just plug in the next 4 or 5🌟 kid come on people
But their r schools who care about both and those grades come first and u won't be playing with a C- avg trust me and alot of guys choose that route because they don't have 2 work hard in the classroom, I think that's what Keon was thinking when he decomitted from ND and went 2 BAMA because it wasn't about NIL I think he knew it would be easier when it comes 2 academics and he didn't have 2 work even though he would've had any problems at ND when it comes 2 that but we are tougher on students about that and u have 2 keep a much higher GPA 2 play
Josh, you are spot on! In my world we talk about technology platforms. In the world of college sports the universities should and will become brand platforms.
Vision is the gift to see what others only dream. Visionaries will dominate the future.
I'm at State U and we feel we need to upgrade out facilities. For Women's volleyball. I can raise any $$$ because it went to buy a DT on the football team. We are at a point where a lot of competing interest that are going to have to be figured out.
0:29 Perfection. 7 of 9 would be proud.
Put them on the state payroll. Even the bench warmers do more work than a state employee. Juss sayn
Half of the TV revenue should be going to the football players on the rosters who generate it from their labor and health. They should even offer upperclassmen a bonus every season to incentivise players to stay at the same school. If everyone received a $100K base pay they could offer upperclassmen a $15K bonus every new year for developing at the same program.
A Donor list being potentially released to the public is a big deal.
It'll become a window into the vast networks of "Dark Money" that have trapped large parts our society today.
A public list for these collectives would essentially provide a legitimate test case for the implementation of "financial transparency" laws.
Donors of a any national political persuasion being known publicly by their money that will pervade athletic collectives is not the best thing to do to keep a low profile.
Any of you who claim to support a "leveling" of the playing field should also reflect on how a different type of "collective" impacts you.
Speaking of B Roll: Was that four schools represented in your ‘look it’s pictures! don’t turn that….click?’ The inclusion of the University of Oregon. Invest more thought into your distractions. Men’s golf was a token example….as was track and field….do you know how many men’s and women’s sports Oregon is a national title contender in every year? Best facilities? There is no contender.
It’s almost like some of us were saying NIL was a bad idea to begin with or something. 🤔
College athletes deserve a cut of revenue to pay bills and put food in their fridge turned into let’s play the top 1% of athletes a ton of money to play for our school real quick
@@jellyc4164 Never said they didn’t deserve that. Sure they do. This current way of going about it is not the answer though. Not at all.
@@CoolHandLuke813 no I know I’m agreeing with you. They just used that talking point of getting college athletes a little more money for their efforts as an excuse to be able to pay the top athletes to come to their school. It was never about the kids
@@jellyc4164 I gotcha. I get what you’re saying now. But yeah it’s true. As usual, it’s the adults that fked everything up.
Get ready for arguments and fights in locker rooms, mental health is gonna be highly important for this athletes through it all!
Coming out of high school you can make good money playing baseball, basketball, hockey, just about any sport BUT not with football and typically you wind up with some kind of injury for life! These major schools make MILLIONS upon MILLIONS of dollars and especially with TV contracts. Its time to have a system to compensate a kid who is good enough to help bring attention to the school he plays for. if you are good enough to play at that level then you should be paid on a production tiered system being $40,000 at the lowest salary. If you graduate with a degree then you get a financial bonus for doing so. On top of this, a kid should be able to make deals with companies for money. Imagine the money that CJ Stroud made THE Ohio State University last Saturday and that generates MILLIONS of funds for professors to have salaries, research you name it!!! PAY THEM AND HAVE STRUCTURED FAIR SYSTEM IN PLACE. There is no where to go out of high school to make money if your good at football. Basketball players can go to Europe, Baseball players to Japan, South Korea, ETC. Do not give me excuses for sports like swimming or volleyball. Football is so much harder on the body its ridiculous
This is the best. Excellent analogy
The value lies with the players. Any value the brand has now was built by players in the past. Same goes for the NCAA.
Yup, the players are the ones generating the Billions in TV revenue because they are the product being sold. That's why they should be earning their fair share of the TV revenue they generate from their labor and health. A lawsuit against the NCAA has already been filed because the NCAA is violating US labor law by preventing workers (players) from having access to the money they generate. It's only a matter of time.
But they aren’t workers they are student athletes. Thanks for playing thou. They don’t deserve a dime. They get free education. You know the $150k+ debts when most kids graduate. They are debt free. Nil is destroying college football. All good with me. It’s all
Downhill from here. Kids are students. They don’t like it don’t play football. Everyone makes money off of someone else’s hard work. It’s called business Nancy.
How many more applications will tcu recieve this year over last? Rising tide lifts all boats.
This is how the NCAA crumbles. And Title 9 will crush all the rest of the sports, when college basketball and football is no longer tied to university athletic departments and neither are the profits from those organizations.
"Antiquated", huh? Also sounds like Iowa's alleged "offense". Is Brian Ferentz also in charge of the NIL systems? :)
I am for saying each player gets the same amount of money. I know that some schools without mentioning names gives each football player 25K a piece
Nicky Santoro was right, "always about the dollars"........
There’s a reason they’re called Athletic Directors not Football Directors
Pandora’s box should’ve never been opened
The conferences are making too much in TV revenue to keep it all from the workers (players) who generate it from their labor and health. They can no longer hide it all as part of the university's infistructure or for scholarships. The players want their fair share because they are the product being sold.
They aren’t workers. They are students. You can spin it however you want…..it’s a fact they are students. Not workers. Move along.
Why can't the universities all forms their own individual and IL pools through donations and boosters and then it be evenly distributed throughout the whole team everybody gets paid for their trouble and efforts? If you win as a team and you lose as a team you should get payed as a team. Don't get me wrong I know it's way more complicated than that but it's a start
Because not every university has the same level of donors. Some universities care about some sports over others. Colleges are not NFL franchises, they are hundred year old institutions that can’t simply just whip up whatever amount of money they want to at any given time.
Honestly, sports not fun anymore you play for money I guess
Be very wary of anything called collective or the collective
I love this mess. You never know what’s gonna happen lol.
I look at this as a whole new era here. This will be like Baseball. Once you pay players, this ceases to be College Football. The NCAA is reduced to having what's left of football players after these other players choose whether to play Minor League Football. Just like MILB. You still have College Baseball players, after they choose whether to get paid to play( minor leagues) versus in College( not paid to play). Whole new Leagues will be created for the top teams now in BCS. Who wants to go to College to attend classes or study or even care be cause mostly these teams are not bringing in players that are not interested in an education in the 1st place.
Imo colleges should of been allowed to pay players as employees and go from there. Doing like brands should of been either and option and not primarily. It would seem the university has the money to pay athletes even though some could argue it would be uneven and maybe not sustainable.
Nil isnt going to make it. Corporations big enough to fund this have so many different factions but all want to know ROI and its just not there with NIL.
Look at DJ and Dr Pepper, theu paid $1m for a qb that sucked. Hell even Bryce had an off season compared to last.....
Smartest man in the game!
I knew from the beginning this would be a mess! Everything the government touches goes to shit! There should have been guidelines in place in the very beginning! I'm glad these guys are getting paid, but it's already destroying some of these young men's careers! For goodness sake, they are freshmen in college!!
You pipe down! You are part of the reason that CFB is in the crap pile it is.
Your username required me to say that😂
They were all already getting paid. They were getting a college education paid for. The rest of us don't and didn't.
They do it on purpose
I think you nailed this right on the head
Josh title lX is gender equality if you do $1 for the football team and it's a male program you have to do $1 for a female program. The NCAA had no idea what they were doing just wait it will get there. I just like to be the attorney representing the athletes in that lawsuit.
Great video
Some really good left tackles make a lot of money.
Deions already ahead of the curve. Whether other schools want to admit it. He’s getting his kids endorsement deals. That’s how you NIL is supposed to be done. Not some powerful booster buying access to a kid!
I think NIL should literally be for football and basketball only. They are the only programs that make the school money. The other programs don’t do anything but cost the schools money like a leach. I get they are part of college which is great but NIL should only be for sports that bring money to the school. Business is business
Nonsense
Isn't is awesome that public Universities, super rich donors, and corporate partners poised to make billions off of kids playing a game! So cool!
Greed is never good. Consequences from the lack of guidelines by the NCAA. Total lack of moral courage.
They need to tie NIL with graduation
Why, the best players are 3 and out and they are the product being sold to generate the Billions in TV revenue from their labor and health?
Hell no. Let me see you work 4 years without a paycheck.
I think Ohio State has over 30 Varsity Sports Teams
The donor money should be going to a trusted NIL Collective and the profits from football should be used for whatever the donors want so they aren't breaking any rules. They just need to restructure their finances but the ADs are greedy and they want all the donor money flowing into their own pockets so they can "manage" it.
UGA football appears to do NIL right. Players can make money once they produce on the field. That might be oversimplified, but I read that is the case. Go Dawgs!!!
That works as long as you are on top. After that, you have to pay to build. Enjoy the time because it is fleeting.
We do the same at ND
@@1980hgf your wrong because in the end you'll start 2 see who the real student athletes are as well as getting the players who don't mind working for theirs instead of instant gratification, instead of getting the ones who might transfer after 1yr because they didn't play enough, ask Texas AM how that worked out 4 them
@@1980hgf yet look at players who took NIL money from schools but signed with other schools. You can google for examples. If you get a player due to NIL $$$ you will often not get a player loyal to the program.
The one thing that nobody is talking about is that there’s a very good chance that NIL will be used to influence games. Players and teams will get paid to throw a game. There’s some potential “evidence” of this happening already. It’s going to get real ugly if that happens too. Money corrupts all.
Yep, that’s why professional sports have such strict and specific contracts with every player in the league.
Or say something like this happens… you’re paid by a company that has certain ethics (like chick fil-a) not being open on Sundays. Would that player maybe start making decisions that benefit his wallet over the success of the team??
@@w.jasonspangler2952 Precisely. You nailed it. That’s what being lost here with all this. Is playing for your team. And that’s a real damn shame too.
So if boosters want to run all the money into football what happens to the basketball first schools (Duke,Kentucky,NC,Indiana,Kansas,Uconn,etc)Do they take the money from football ? Kansas would rather buy a 6'9" five star power forward than left tackle for football. And what if Iowa boosters puts all the money into football and then Caitlyn Clark transfers ? Don't under estimate how popular she is in Iowa
College football has turned into the Kardashians...
well laid out argument
all players get $1,000 a month. End if story.
NIL isn't working out well? Who'd of thunk it...
I think it’s causing jealousy in programs too.
Told you Cj could run. Ohio st preferred him not to....BS.
It’s the haves and have not.
I really like Joel Klatt's ideas on how to fix NIL with respect to tampering and registering of NIL sources and agents. I'm expanding on his thoughts, so my ideas might not be totally in line with the things he proposed.
Clearly a full-ride scholarship given to a fb or a bb player -- the predominance of other sports on campus give out partial rides -- is effectively a contract between a university and its student-athletes within these two sports, and it's obvious that there are some schools which have approached players who have been under scholarship at other universities -- I can think of at least two instances of this because they were blatant tampering and have been confirmed, and I think you know of the instances to which I refer. These acts should never be allowed and should be punished, except for the problem of their being corroborated and being brought out into the open.
And let me add that a school is not likely to pull a scholarship within four years except for a student-athlete not obeying, say, rules of conduct and maintaining classroom performance.
People have excused things like tampering in stating that employees outside of sports have the freewill to be able to move about as they please. But this doesn't apply to people like Troy Aikman or Tony Romo who are under contract at ESPN (Disney, or whatever) and CBS, respectively. Negotiations for their moving occur (or have occurred) close to the end of their current contracts for a period extending from the point of the end of their current or previous. For week-to-week or month-to-month employees at Google or wherever, they are able to move on provided they give sufficient notice, or at least they should give notice, so as to not burn any of their bridges.
Similarly, though, contracts for college head coaches are not respected, and another school can move in and pay the buyout, if there is one, and do negotiations seemingly undercover, regardless. But it's just as wrong, because it should at least ask the coach's current university employer if it can negotiate with him before it starts. A lateral move in the NFL of HC from one team to another is probably not allowed, because a contract is deemed a contract in the League. But I can understand why it might not be considered enforceable in college because there are various divisions/levels in cfb, so a move might not be considered a lateral one, as well as a buyout being apt compensation (or overstated to prevent negotiations for a move) for the loss of a HC. But at least, a school looking for a new HC should at least have the common decency to obtain permission of the candidate's current employer if it can talk with him.
The NFL is out in the open with contracts, terms, money, etc, and the NCAA if it's headed toward contracts approaching the NFL's should be fully disclosed. NIL agents and sources should be registered with the NCAA, and as Klatt stated, they should have to take classes to know the guardrails to understand acceptable behavior, and then obviously to hold them accountable. A university can absolve itself from being culpable, but it shouldn't be excused from its sanctioned NIL sources. As far as a player outside of these bounds obtaining NIL, these sources should probably be disclosed also. I don't know if all the SEC is all for players like Bryce Young getting a nice deal with a particular well-known beverage company, but if the other teams' fans don't like it, they don't have to drink Dr. Pepper.
We went from paying college athletes to being expected to give big sums of money to unproven players that haven't even set foot on campus....The former makes sense.the later? Ridiculous. Come prove you deserve it.
Josh's path forward is the rich get richer. At least right now, a few wealthy Oklahoma State donors can compete with Oklahoma donors for recruits - but once it comes to brand value, Oklahoma State can not only not compete, but will be restricted from growing their brand (as talented players are key to success, and long term success is key to building a brand).
Off the backs of free labor……you so Amerikkkan.
@@ShadowbannedbyCZcams WTF kind of comment is that?
Yeah, the reality of things is that in 95% of schools, FOOTBALL IS KING!!! Football is what brings in the donations...unless you're Kentucky/Duke/North Carolina, it's all about the Football! The schools that don't evolve with the winds of change will just have to close up shop when it comes to Athletics.
Yeah, that sounds great. 🙄
@@w.jasonspangler2952 It’s shit but that’s life!
Football keeps everything moving !!!! If it wasn’t for football most of women’s sports probably wouldn’t exist. I know football keeps sports going in our small high school and I’m sure it’s the same every where.
Lol ok. Not all schools even have football
Gee who could have predicted this?
It’s not just football. All you got to do is win. Oklahoma softball players are cashing in. Those girls are superstars.
The entire roster? Or just a few, which this entire video was about...
@@alostbard the entire roster. Every position player on the team is the best in the country at her position.
College student athletes that receive NIL should be held accountable to "PLAY" sports or ""report to work" in order to recieve funds. All of this "opting out" of bowl games is really just them NOT SHOWING UP TO WORK. All of these NIL deals needs to be also based on "PROFORMANCE VALUE" while they are at "work" meaning playing whatever sport it is that they play. The NIL needs to add all scholarships and living expenses while at college into as "value of payment" while the student athlete plays for their sport. Just like you and I we are "under an microscope" at work to preform our best while we are working while produces the best products that we provide..correct.? While if the student athlete doesn't produce " opting out" of playing in games then he/she is the same as not working to produce value for themselves and their team brand.
All of these college scholarships have to be a major part of the NIL process so when not getting a degree that should affect your NIL deal. Also all NIL deals should have timeframe limits meaning if a player signs an NIL then they are committed for like 2 years without entering the transfer portal. If they break that agreement then NIL deal should be canceled and payback should be adjusted as planned. If this student athletes want to act like real employees out in the real world then they should be held accountable just like real work employees out in the real world..accountability should be one of the most important aspects of NIL deals no matter the dollar amount of that deal.
This would help to slow down all of these thousands of student athletes entering the transfer portal after each season is over from year to year.
No wonderful some of these bowl games sux so badly is that all of this "opting out of starting players" has affected how the team preforms on the field. I'll never go to another bowl game again until the bowl games are attached to the new playoffs structure. When we have this new 12 team playoffs then we know at least 14 bowl games are going to mean something special leading up to the National Championship bowl game. So at least the Top 25 teams will now have a stake in the end game every year wanting to play in the playoff bowl games. All of these issues with NIL, opting out, transfer portal, not going to classes, not getting degrees, not caring about scholarships issues would work themselves out when these student athletes made and hold up on their word with "their committments". If not then we are seeing the beginning of the end to college sports as we have known it to be over about a hundred years or more. Damn shame not only for college football but for all college sports.
You'd see a lot of "fake" injuries in that case if bowl opt-out were no longer allowed with NIL. I say "fake" in quotes because everyone is injured in some way by the end of a season (except maybe the kickers and the holder). Perhaps a better way to say it is that you'd see a lot of "exaggerated" injuries. And TBH some of them are probably injured and just saying "opt out to focus on their future" so they don't spook draft scouts with an injury report.
He didn’t mention that lsu female recruiter slept with 3 lsu football players and wr coach at the the hotel when they had there bowl game they ran a train. Wr coach got fired so now you know what these recruiters are doing to get players on there team smhhh
I thought it was a player and a bunch of coaches.
You were there? 😮
Wow no one saw this coming😒
As a PSU fan, I like moving in the direction of brand value. Crazy to believe, but we're still the most consequential college football program stretching from Maine to Virginia down I-95. I know James Franklin along with the new AD are forward thinkers when it comes to expanding PSU's recruiting and marketing footprint. The new B1G TV deal certainly helps. But if we can lock down New England, NYC, Philly, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, DMV, and Richmond as Nittany Nation, then our brand value will be among the top in the nation.
Ummm delusional much? You mean the home of Sandusky and the shamed paterno? Molester University? Ok. Last time penn st won a natty please? Keep living in your dram world.
@@INKDnARMD The hater is strong in this one. Tell your therapist I said hi! 😂
NFL teams bring in 9-13 guys a year and they pay them on a scale knowing those guys can’t just leave next year. Plus they have a combine and 3 yrs of college fb to fully vet the guys they draft. Colleges bring in 21-28 each year. How in thee hell would they be able to pay that number of kids each year? It won’t work. And many of these guys won’t play for a year or two (if ever) while still bringing in more each year. The sec/acc model is not sustainable and those guys are gonna tap out and then complain to get rules and sanctions
it is still the day of our Lord--does Academy object to that statement
Keep it free? Try to go the paid route. It won’t work pal.
Oh well who could've seen this coming
Interesting
Nil has ruined college sports
More money, more problems. College athletics was never meant to be a paid leisure activity. Sure, the corruption and big whigs needed/needs to be addressed, but this NIL garbage is simply going to make the sport worse and the entire system is going to fail in terms of what it was built for. Garbage garbage garbage.
Pay nil back once your in the league?
how about cutting football...
Can't instill culture by throwing money at players. Love to see it
The collectives own the semi-pro teams . The Universities should get out of minor league football. Let the collectives stick their companies logo on the side of the helmets. This sport is dead and has nothing to do with the schools
Something I have never seen get asked or volunteered: What are the boosters getting out of contributing to schools and NIL?
I gotcha. Free advertising, general exposure, most of them own businesses in and around the university so the better talent the better the program the more people buy tickets and shop around the stadium. They get there return for sure.
@@zerocool0087 Im kind of curious how this relates to their taxes as well. Those buyouts for coaches and schools leaving conferences are huge.
Every Bowl team versus the CFP Top 25
AKA The 2022 best vs the best
FINAL list of Bowl teams vs. THE CFP committee's final top25.
Listed in order of number of contests, win percentage of those contests, then by ranking.
Florida 2-5 } 7 contests
STANFORD 1-6
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1. Georgia* 6-0
8. Utah* 3-3 } 6 contests
10. USC 3-3
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5. Alabama 3-2
6. Tennessee 3-2
15. Oregon 2-3 } 5 contests
17. LSU 2-3
WAZZU 0-5
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3. TCU 3-1
12. Washington 3-1
4. Ohio State 2-2
18.UCLA 2-2
19. South Carolina 2-2
21. Notre Dame** 2-2
7. Clemson* 1-3
9. Kansas State* 1-3
14.Oregon State 1-3
20. Texas 1-3
Maryland 1-3
Texas Tech 1-3 } 4 contests
Missouri 1-3
Arkansas 1-3
Miss 1-3
Kentucky 1-3
Syracuse 1-3
N Carolina 0-4
Ok 0-4
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2. Michigan* 2-1
11. Penn State 1-2
13. Florida State 1-2
Ok St 1-2
Wake Forest 1-2 } 3 contests
Louisville 1-2
22. Mississippi State 0-3
Purdue 0-3
Baylor 0-3
Kansas 0-3
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16. Tulane* 2-0
23. NC State 1-1
Pitt 1-1
UCF 1-1
Houston 1-1
Marshall 1-1
Southern Miss 1-1
25. UTSA* 0-2
Fresno St* 0-2
Illinois 0-2
Iowa 0-2
Memphis 0-2 } 2 contests
Bowling Green 0-2
E Carolina 0-2
Louisiana 0-2
Western Ky 0-2
South Bama 0-2
SMU 0-2
BYU 0-2
North Tex 0-2
UConn 0-2
Rice 0-2
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24. Troy* 1-0
Toledo* 0-1
Boise St 0-1
Minn 0-1
Ohio 0-1
Utah St 0-1 } 1 contest
Coastal Car 0-1
Wisc 0-1
Midd Tenn 0-1
SDSU 0-1
UAB 0-1
Cincinnati 0-1
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Miami (OH) 0-0
East Mich 0-0
San José St 0-0
Liberty 0-0
Air Force 0-0
New Mex St 0-0
Ga So 0-0
Buffalo 0-0
Duke 0-0
Wyoming 0-0
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I've include only ONE non bowl team in this FINAL list...STANFORD.
I included them for illustration purpose, that being that they are the ONLY
team in the nation to face 7 CFP committee top 25 teams solely during the
course of their regular season schedule (including Five consecutively before mid-October).
As you can see...to date(I'm not including the NC game), only three teams have passed the
test of defeating every CFP T25 placed in their path. Here they are:
(Georgia 6-0, Tulane 2-0, Troy 1-0).
As you can also see, beating REAL top 25 teams is very difficult.
Another important observation, Most of the teams avoid playing more than 2 or 3 final T25 teams all year, And when they DO,
THEY FAIL, and the failure increases the more they have to play late season ranked teams.
After the NC game Georgia will join the 7's, TCU The 5's.
I'm sure there's a point here somewhere. I think it's that football is hard.
@@1980hgf Well it can be read many different ways , perhaps the most significant is that rankings are meaningless until you look at them holistically at the end. The thing that surprises me the most is that most big name teams had at least the opportunity to go at least 3-0 vs final top 25 opponents, yet they all failed except for Georgia....Which in the end is also fairly meaningless because we all saw what 2-1(at the time) Ohio State did.
My conclusion ultimately is, how the QB plays that day, (and even further how does he perform in each quarter of a game). This seems to be the x factor.
so apparently in november tennessee had a fight between hendon hooker and our LB jeremy banks, and people have theories that the defense purposely lost the south carolina games
I’d definitely believe there was a fight. But the entire defense purposely throwing a game seems like a stretch.
@@w.jasonspangler2952 well i thought that too, but then tennessee made clemson look like a trashcan so the defense is way better than allowing spencer rattler to throw for 450
No Tennessee's defense was giving up 400 years to almost everyone...
Iowa isn’t a premier brand, they are a second tier at best. I’m sorry, let’s face NIL is about a particular athletes worth/value they can bring a brand/company. Women athletics just isn’t going to pull the $ unless they can do other things to help there(athletes own brand worth) by mixing other things with being an athlete at a university. Plus different locations in the country different non Football/Basketball sports are more popular.