HALLOWEEN KILLS - MY DISLIKES - SPOILERS
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IMPORTANT NOTE:
It's come to my attention that there was in fact a moment of dialogue from the bartender at the beginning of the film that does point out that Tommy, Marian, Lindsey, and Lonnie, do all commemorate this event each and every year. It's also implied that they know Laurie as well. This makes sense to me now why Tommy and Laurie's reunion, wasn't really a reunion at all.
However, I still think the film would have benefited from removing that suggestion, and having more of a reunion for certain characters to allow some breathing room. Allow the events to bring them back together. This would help to reestablish an emotional connection, not just between them, but for the audience as well.
Hey Dave they also think that the Danny DeVito looking crazy person is Michael Myers because they put his picture on the TV in that bar and they immediately saw him in that girl's car outside of the bar
I wish they would’ve added more context to that. In H18 When Laurie cashes the family dinner when Allison is introducing Cameron, Karen says something along the lines “gosh mom are you drinking again?” I felt like if it was supposed take place the same night then Laurie could’ve been originally set to attend the reunion at the bar but the sudden news of Michael escaping caused her to miss it in her purse to hunt him down herself. While at the bar one of them could’ve simply asked where’s Laurie? And Tommy’s toast would’ve made a little more sense since he ended it with to Laurie wherever she is.
I do wish we would’ve gotten a scene with Laurie, Hawkins and Brackett
@@mortoncounts7955 I was thinking the same thing
@@warcryax6015 also felt that the scene whenever he jumped was important. There were younger girls in the theater crying cuz they felt bad for the guy
I’m not trying to be a kiss ass here but I believe that you’re seeing would’ve worked out way better, it would’ve brought a lot of emotion into the film especially since that is what the new trilogy is about, it’s about trauma, PTSD, revenge, family I mean they are shoving a lot of stuff into these horror movies and it can work but it just Hass to be set up correctly and I just felt that Halloween kills it was really rushed.
Don’t get me wrong I actually love this movie but it could have been better, I think the only Halloween movie I really didn’t like was the resurrection and I blame that on no part of Busta Rhymes LOL
But I think what they were trying to convey by reciting that it’s been 40 years, is that Michael Myers has had this foothold on this town psychologically, the legend of the shape, like these people are fucked up mentally and it’s because Michael Myers has murdered many people in this town.
Now remind me, Michael Myers is no longer Lori‘s brother? In Halloween to that was the canon but then they went crazy with the curse of thorn and I don’t know if that was still relevant it’s been a while
But I like the idea of having them being family, it creates this emotional sadness and tragedy. I mean technically Michael is still a six-year-old boy and the way we view trauma and understand it that works.
There was a part in the Halloween remake when Danny Trejo’s character said, don’t let these bars get you down, I know something about walls and I’m paraphrasing but basically he was telling Michael to go inside his head and live there in an existence that he creates. What if he still there, what if he never left, I mean there’s so many what if‘s right?
Now you got my mind going LOL. At the end of the day Halloween is a slasher film for the ages, I hope this new generation enjoys it, I’m 38 so I grew up with H2O.
That was my first time seeing a Halloween movie in the movie theater but I really enjoyed it and I thought that they did a good job.
Great description though, great channel definitely subscribing.
Can we all just agree that Michael really carried this movie
It seems that Michael has had some SEAL training somewhere.
@@davidimrie6916 , dude is probably hitting the gym 3 times a day. Or maybe he's been experimented on a they made him a literal Terminator.
you'll have to show me a scene with michael in it. i saw a 6'3 guy in a mask killing. i didn't see 1978 michael, with the intent of the original character ANYWHERE... perhaps you're thinking of Jason Voorhees?? ripping out a light fixture to put into someone's neck like dough. Michael stalks, strangles and finishes them with a final blow of a knife and specific teenagers he has picked. Not go into an eldery persons house and ram a light fixture in their face.
Halloween Kills Michael Meyers ruined the movie. He didn't act in any way shape (no pun intended) like Michael Meyers in my opinion. I find it very funny how all these fans who complained out the aggressiveness of Rob Zombie's Meyers love this one.
Michael carries every film. I could give a fuck less about anything in these films other than michael laying waste to people. These aren’t well written dramas.
Every time they said "Evil dies tonight", a part of me died.
if you took a drink every time, you would have very little blood in your alcohol stream.
@@markmac2206
Buzzed driving is drunk driving
They really should have been yelling "This trilogy dies tonight". I don't know about you guys but my excitement for Halloween Ends is literally dead. I will pretty much hate Green and McBride forever now even though I did like 2018 a lot
Hahaha
I felt the “evil dies tonight” might have been used a little too much. It especially bothered me when tommy raises his arm and says it while he runs out the door.
I agree!! And It’s honestly the whole tag line of the movie which I think is weak for the writers… this is like if 1978 movie kept having characters say the tag line for that movie “it’s the night he came home!” Whether it be Loomis saying it 2 times to the cop, or the cop asking loomis “could this be the night he came home?” Or another random character saying this shit when they weren’t even there saying the same thing to wink at the audience.
@@somegeekguy Cop: “could this be the night he came home?” Loomis: Michael go home ! go home H5 *flashback*
I think an actor like Donald pleasence could do that line and it wouldn't sound as bad but these actors aren't very good to do that and not seem cringey over acted
The hospital scenes in general were cringey to say the least.
@@MorenoG2 this is hilarious lmao
Its pretty obvious that David Gordon Green and McBride have no clue what they're doing with this trilogy
just imagine what they'll do with exorcist!
@@mst3kpimp oh no, I did hear about that....welp it will def suck
The biggest plot hole for me was Tommy trying to justify that the other asylum escapee was Michael when he was literally looking at a fucking screen showing both of their mug shots in the bar. Not to mention look at the guy.
Tommy saw Micheal in 78 too. Why would he think Micheal was the 4 foot all talking Penguin wannabe?
This was my biggest issue with the movie. It made literally zero sense.
@@rowhaus5478 i would have gotten over a lot of other flaws the movie had but I felt like that one was just unforgivable so it made me mad at all the other ones lol.
@@PowerPackers90
1. age makes you shorter
2. michael was only 5'8 in the original film and he would be short like that guy via age (look at nick castles height)
Benny hill chase
This movies biggest missed opportunity was cute character moments…Have Laurie talk to Lindsey…have Laurie talk to bracket…It’s these little things that were traded for blood and guts
Well there's another film coming...Lindsey and Laurie will reunited in Ends
I feel like ends will be Allyson, Laurie, Lindsay & Hawkins going after Michael.
I honestly wasn't expecting Tommy's character to come off so cheesy. The overselling of the whole attempt at being the "badass" wanting revenge etc. What a shame. They did some things I really liked but per usual with most modern films, there were several instances where I was scratching my head wondering "now why would they write that line like that, or why would they make X character do that?" etc.
because horror movies need a little cheese!
Tommy's character and dialog ruined several scenes in the film that could have been far more effective.
All the performances were great and felt very real.
I didn't buy that Tommy Doyle would act this way. He was there in 78, and saw what Micheal can do. But sure let bring Lonnie and Laurie's teenage kids with them.
and he saw the news report that showed Michael's face but is going to be convinced The Penguin is Micheal Myers?
Anthony Hall was TERRIBLE. Does that guy not know how to act? Even Paul Rudd would have done better than that
Regarding the hospital scene I 100% agree with you. It felt very forced and dragged on for far longer than necessary to get their point across
I still find it strange that someone taught both Michael Myers, AND Danny Devito how to drive at Smiths Grove.
The evil dies tonight line reminded me of the South Park "Dey took er jobs" bit but other than that I really enjoyed the movie
🤣🤣🤣 this is hilarious and I get the reference but I don't know how that reminded you of it 🤣🤣
Bro you have no idea how many times evil dies tonight was said in the test screening I saw last year. They cut it out a lot ..felt like it was ok when I watched the movie last night compared to watching the test screening. I think the only issue was the dialogue , over all liked this film, better than H18. Also the ending in the final product was different than test screening
@@Nogutsnoglory13 What was the ending in the test screening if you don't mind me asking?
@@InfiniteTechnique92 Laurie calls Karen’s phone while she’s in the Myers house and you can hear the shape breathing , she then grabs the knife Allyson gave her in hospital and walks out of hospital with a look of determination to get Myers. I think they cut it out because ENDS will not be based on the same night but present day.
😂 me too!
Bad writing. End of story. Danny McBride should write nothing but Kenny Powers dialogue and that’s it.
They literally started off decent but not amazing with 2018 to build back the franchise and I really thought Green and McBride did something good there but holy fuck did they just ruin this trilogy. Only thing I liked about Halloween kills was Michael but everything else was HORRIBLE. I have zero faith for Halloween Ends, Green and McBride should be embarrassed. Oh well at least we have 3 decent Halloween movies I guess . 1978,1981,2018
The hospital mob felt like when the Simpsons has an angry mob
When Haddonfield goes Springfield.
The score of this movie was amazingly done.
The mob theme was so heavy handed, it ruined the first half, you nailed it Mr Mcrae
Loomis saying, "The evil is heeeeyaaaaaaahhhhh!" Just too phony. Too hokey. It looked like Loomis but didn't sound like him.
Absolutely and then how stupid was it for him to run into the house screaming out Deputy Hawkins or Sheriff Hawkins what did Michael do did he kill again did he kill again
Yeah and in the original Dr Loomis was pretty calm so the fact he was like Halloween 5 levels of animated here was strange
I hated the hospital scenes. I thought it was cheesy and over the top with bad line delivery from everyone! The mental patient scene was stupid and felt very forced, imo. I agree with you, I wanted a scene between Tommy and Laurie in the hospital. I'm going to watch it again tonight on 🦚👍
I'm surprised everyone hates the hospital scene. The stuff with the mental patient was so emotional that it made me cry.
I don't think it will ever be the same without Donald pleasence who was basically the main character in the original and made it fun like we were hunting down mm with his crazy doctor leading the chase
nothing is organic in movies today which is why theyre unepic, everything forced by people who no clue about what epicness is.. in reality the entire town would have there doors locked and crapping there pants, not saying evil dies tonight
Good points at the end there. Only 3 people dying on the original night in this timeline doesn't lend itself as much to the mob mentality we saw in Kills.
I agree 👍
One thing that I found that bugs me, is that they go on about not having H2 canon, yet they literally used footage from H2
H18 and HKills both could have benefited from an extended chase scene comparable to H1, H2, etc with comparable chase music up against lighting.
What? Is there no classic chase scene?
@@jaywillingham4085 lindsey wallace is stalked by Myers briefly.
i know im the only one that like Zombies movies but at least he had good long chase scenes especially part 1.
@@plotskosisii312 Y'all just ruined my day. What is Halloween without the final girl chase trope?
Alysons “chase” in 2018 felt like they were intentionally making it as uneventful as possible. Great music though.
Its been 40 years since they made a good movie
I loved michaels badassery but it went a little too “Mortal Kombat” at some scenes
For everything Halloween 2018 did wrong, Halloween kills did right. For everything Halloween kills did wrong, Halloween 2018 did right. Therefore I can’t really say it’s better overall, but a case where the indifferences make it just about the same.
The writing seems really funny in this film. Feels more like a fan film honestly. When Tommy first starts his story on the mic about what happened - I was thinking surely the whole town knows who Tommy is and knows what’s happened by this point? Even more so, if they didn’t know, why were they are willing to die screaming ‘evil dies tonight’ 30 mins later when they think Myers is in the car?
The ‘evil dies tonight’ phrase was cartoonish which is what made it seem like a fan film. It was said in the most unrealistic times. For example, when the female doctor comes in saying Myers is in her car (bear in mind she doesn’t know and is just saying it because she’s spooked out and in reality it actually ISNT him) the first thing Marion Chambers says is ‘EVIL DIES TONIGHT!’. This is the first time she‘s even heard of Myers in 40 years and up until this point wasn’t even sure he was out. So wouldn’t her reaction be a bit more shocked rather than the first thing that comes out her mouth a slogan? This is on repeat. Just characters saying ‘evil dies tonight’ at the most random times and it doesn’t fit at all or make any sense.
I think they should have added more to the end before Myers popped up behind Karen. I remember reading the script and feeling good about that ending. But that whole ending felt so rushed. It felt more like a collage at the end because everything was so quick.
The acting at points were hilarious. I don’t even blame the actors. Surely the job of a director is to direct your actors. Why didn’t David Gordon Green direct his actors to act the way that was fit for the scene? Like the cop in the flashback at the Myers house looking out of Judith’s window. They 100% know someone is in the house because they heard movement upstairs. So as soon as they go upstairs, one cop looks out the window and stops to say ‘Haddonfield, where nothing ever happens’ and it sounds so relaxed and sarcastic and then he gets attacked. Like you just heard someone upstairs where there’s a killer possibly. Would a cop just stop once he’s upstairs to say a sarcastic remark to himself? It was the acting more than anything that made it seem sarcastic, he had a smirk on his face and said it so chilled back. Surely a poor directors choice.
The scene with the gays guys and one of them finds Myers in the bedroom after just finding his boyfriend dead. He says to Myers ‘Michael, you came home’. Not in a horrified way, but more an inquisitive way. I remember people laughing in the theatre at this bit. It felt like he was going to ask him if he wanted a cup of tea next 😂 oh and let’s not forget the ‘this is for dr. Loomis’ 🤣 I love the actress who plays Marion Chambers and I’m not blaming her (although it was delivered very poorly) but why is she saying such a cheesy line? Felt like I was in a marvel movie at that point. It felt so out of place for a Halloween movie.
So there is bad acting in this yes but I have to blame the director. Surely that’s the director job, to direct his actors.
How they kept saying “Evil Dies tonight” was annoying as shit. And the recapping through dialogue was annoying too. Like in 18 when Dana tells Laurie that Micheal killed his sister when he was 6 years old..like who didn’t know that?
Total agreement. Removing H2 from the continuity was the right move, but I can’t buy that the town is that affected by the events of Halloween ‘78 outside of the people that were directly involved.
I really appreciate how they re-purposed the Brackett scene from H2. If only the could have brought back Bud’s rendition of “Amazing Grace”.
Initially I got the impression that haddonfield was small town so they’ve all been at the very least acquaintances over the decades. When tommy shows up to the hospital Laurie calls out to him by the sound of his voice alone. But earlier at the bar tommy raises his glass to her and says “to Laurie. Wherever she is” or something like that.
I will never hear the word "trauma" the same way again. Ever. Again.
Incredibly disappointed in this movie. Even the flash back scene that people are raving about was pretty lame.
This was a bad movie, a really bad movie. I've always been a big fan of Halloween 2, but man after seeing these last two films it shows just how great it was as a sequel.
I feel like that whole scene with the mental patient and the angry mob. That you can almost argue Michael's evil has become competitive just he's being there other people are being affected by it 40 years ago and now that he's back its awaken an driving people to act Beyond Reason out of fear
When Lonnie finally found the courage to go in the Myers's house, I cried with emotions, you know, because 40 years ago he didn't do it. 😂😂😂 This scene, instead of being with Allyson and his son, Lonnie should have been with the same people that dared him to go in the house, but now, because it's 40 years later, they should have begged him NOT to go in the house, because, you know, important legacy characters. During the mob scene in the hospital, while everyone is chasing whom they believe is Michael Myers, I hope someone replaces the Carpenter score with the Benny Hill chase scene music 😂😂😂😂
Why do movies in today’s day and age treat the audience as if they’re unaware or non-privy to the history or past iterations. The “Evil Dies Tonight”, 40 years references were obnoxious at best. The continuous statements of how evil Michael Myers is was just overblown.
Read the leaked script it is WORLDS better and does give more perspective to the OG characters’ and bits of their history since the “78 film.
My question is back to your statements on the town’s trauma from the killings forty years ago, wouldn’t it be more effective to ban Halloween in general IF the point of this film is to emphasis the ramifications of the first film’s events. For example of course.
Because these films are meant to bring in casual or non fans who have little history or knowledge of the franchise. And they know die-hards will show up regardless. My big gripe is HK acts like everyone IN Halloween Kills has seen the first Halloween movie. I mean, I almost walked out when Brackett repeated his old "everyone is entitled to one good scare" line. Obviously it was a little throwaway line that really stuck with fans but it would have zero significance to Brackett and I highly doubt he would remember saying it. Like Laurie referring to Michael as "the Shape" in H'18. Numerous examples of that shit that really drives me nuts. I dig the Easter eggs like the kids wearing Silver Shamrock costumes but this movie went too far in too many places. Even the town getting bat shit nuts and turning into a mob only makes sense if the sequels counted and Michael had pretty much leveled the hospital and half the towns population in multiple sequels. imo
@@capitalcitygoofball1987 Yeah that Brackett line was pretty damn cheesy. I am just glad I didnt see this movie in the theatre. I had a good laugh reading your comments on the movie so true.👍
why would banning halloween be a serious ramification given that Michael waltzes around anyways? I think they went with an immediate crisis-response...rather than jump a year later and have the town reset itself.
Because alot of people today are dumb and need everything explained to them.
I consider myself to be one of the biggest Halloween nerds/fans. I was so pissed when I found out this movie would be postponed due to covid but the extra year we had to wait gave me lots of time to build up anticipation. & honestly, I was let down. In many instances the dialogue felt forced & I didn’t believe what was being said. The scenes-to me personally, felt choppy. It was the first time I watched a Halloween flick & kept checking the time wondering when it would end. The scenes at the hospital were boring to me & I feel like they were just in the movie for filling purposes. I completely agree with you about the legacy characters. When I originally saw them in the trailer I was so pumped & thought “fuck yeah they’re gonna come back with all their trauma & be strong level headed characters who fuck shit up” Alas…. Overall the movie didn’t feel like the other Halloween movies have felt. I know nothing will ever touch the older Halloween movies but I think I would’ve like this one if it at least felt familiar. Bad acting & dialogue included. At this point I’m just rambling but yeah. I’ll watch it again & hopefully it grows on me but for now it’s a no for me
Exactly my thoughts, I was bored watching this film and I’ve never been bored watching a Halloween movie for the first time ever except resurrection. I was cringing at the forced one liners and I hated every character apart from Alison and Michael. I avoided all trailers and kept my excitement to a minimum but I left the cinema massively disappointed and I have no intention of watching this film again. Michael was scary as hell but like 2018 there was no atmosphere or suspense in this film. I could go on and on but on a whole this film was a dud. Flashback scene was brilliant and the ending when Michael killed everyone was good to see but the middle was just filler like you say and they missed a trick by not having Laurie find out Michael was alive until she seen him in the hospital.
I agree 💯 with everything you said I felt the same way about this movie.
Completely agree. 100%
I agree the writing for the characters was not good. Looked like they wanted to to get to the kill scenes quicker rather than give them better scenes together. Plus the comedy was not good. Spoiled some of the scenes,, similar to the 2018 movie
I felt the pace was off with the movie . I wish they showed more one on ones with Michael running into people and killing them. The two guys inside the Myers house you really don’t need them. I get you want to establish that some people brought the Myers house but you could of set it up in a way we’re we the audience don’t know that they are living in the Myers house until the final act.
The evil dies tonight lines didn’t bother me too much. The hospital did though. It went on way too long. Also the over use of recap scenes when someone would think or explain something. We needed more Myers stalking and hiding in bushes from the mob 👍 great thoughts as always Dave 👍
I felt the Cameron character was underused. The small parts he did have were well acted and captivating. Wish they had given him more screen time.
He’s showing his acting chops in YOU season 3
I thought the same thing. He was definitely one of the standouts.
He’s just a reboot of Rachel’s boyfriend from H4. He was just there to cheat and run a redemption arc and then die.
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The whole movie was social messages, so disappointed 🤦🏻♂️ tried to like it but i cant its close to being one of the worst in the halloween series
@@VictorFloresGABBANELLI facts. Horror fan to the core from the original and this was shite. Cringe bro
@@lonmac3246 When i saw the flashback scenes i was like ok its looking good especially the scene with Michael in the alley , but after that i couldn’t believe the shit i was watching 🤦🏻♂️
@@VictorFloresGABBANELLI yeah I adored the flashbacks scenes, everything after that was just very choppy, I felt like I was being cheated since the opening and the rest of the film don't even feel like the same movie
Yea I agree 100% with you on the hospital scene man. My Wife is a nurse and she even commented “why the hell are their just bodies laying there with the blinds open”… 🤦🏼♂️
I agree for sure, poor Oscars mom had to see her sons dead body just laying there. A lot of sluggish dialogue and forced one liners came off cringy and just forced. JJC was truly AMAZING as the Shape, loved his performance. Overall, I liked the movie but a lot of missed opportunities like you mentioned. Amazing video Dave! Keep up the content man! Much love and blessings sent from Ohio! 🎃🔪👍🏼
They could have just had a line where he said he saw Laurie last week or month
saw'ya dan tha pub last week, watchin' tha footie with a few pints with ma mates
The other escapee patient being chased around the hospital should have been more the height, shape, and size of Michael meyers to make it more believable. There’s no way people thought this short chubby guy was meyers
I As A Purist Rather Enjoyed the Movie!, Really didn't like how Easy Tommy went out & Karen also! She had a few Great GOTTCHA moments, but Yeah I knew Exactly what you guys was talking about The missed opportunity for Laurie & Brackett, was A real shame!
i knew Karen would die but it was done better in the fake leaked script i read.
@Mark Mac I heard the original ending was if Halloween Ends takes place immediately after Halloween Kills. They plan on Halloween Ends is going to have a time skip to present day (early 2020s)
I hated Karen, the hospital sub plot, I disliked that Tommy was more interested in looking cool than actually helping. I hate that all they had Lindsey Wallace do is run away. The two men in the Myers house was absolute cringe. Idk really let down by this movie.
@@leticiarodriguez383 oh ok makes sense they changed it then. yeah i heard they are going with a 4 year jump which makes it line up with the year its released.
Little Jon and big Jon stuff annoyed me. Also the ending. The idea of him taking everyone out was cool but that part looked like a B movie.
The flashback scenes were great, nice surprise to see Loomis!
Hey Dave. At 6:55 you bring up the Laurie/Tommy reunion. Imo I believe they are friends and it hasn’t been 40yrs bc the bartender in the bar scene says that the legacy group are friends with Laurie and they go there every year on Halloween.
Same thing I took away from it. He might’ve missed that
I appreciate what they attempted to accomplish w the flashback and connection to the past characters, but I honestly feel they missed the mark. I don’t want to rain on anyone’s parade either but to me it was a pointless and senseless movie. To the studio it was all about the pay day and promotion. If you enjoyed it, that’s great. I unfortunately did not. I wasn’t really expecting much, so I’m not disappointed as well. The story, story telling, acting, cinematography, editing, etc all sub par in my opinion. I believe 2018 is a far better movie.
I honestly never understood the hate for 2018 but holy crap this movie was terrible and FAR worse than 2018
@@michaelmyers5782 Same here, it is a pretty well told story with structure and has a lot of good things working for it. Not to mention, has a purpose. I don’t want to insult anyone who genuinely enjoyed this movie but I struggle to understand how it’s possible. Some people are going so far with it by claiming it’s better than the 1978 original…My God lol… I guess they are just blowing off steam and happy to get out to the movies, Halloween time, etc …but again, what in thee world if they really believe that..
@@NickP yup I've seen A LOT of fans in complete denial on twitter, it really is sad. I honestly think Halloween Kills is almost as bad as resurrection
@@michaelmyers5782 I hear ya dude… That’s another good point, hardcore fans that will support to a fault.. This is reminiscent of what happened when The Predator came out. I think that is another really bad movie, especially when comparing it to the originals. A lot of fans were just happy for any new movie and the rest were unhappy with the result. I’ve also seen some wayward fans personally going after people who don’t like Halloween Kills. If you honestly don’t like something, that makes you a hater by their logic lol. It’s ok to not like something. It’s sad there are a lot of weak people out there these days who can’t handle reality. They become foolishly hypocritical and oblivious to others sensibilities. This is a nasty trend…
Agree on your points about the hospital subplot with Mr. Tivoli. However I try not to think about it through the political lens. Think about it through the lens of Ben Tramer, Ted Hollister, and Ronny from H20. The Halloween movies have had a tendency for someone innocent being harmed or killed through paranoia and fear.
Lindsey was fine when Michael Myers couldn't find her when she was hiding but when we see her again she's muddy and hurt. What happened between her and Myers? Would have been nice to see what happened
YESSSSS.. what was with the hospital morgue? very unrealistic, but here we are. 😐😂💀
The mob responded to not only the 78 events but the events that just happened earlier in the night
Yes they did, but the 78 mob actually seemed like it fit in the movie.
The kills hospital and mob almost seemed like a play or something. To me it took me out of the film everytime it cut back. It had a very awkward pace to it
I work in a hospital. there are lots of inaccuracies, the biggest one was the hospital morgue with naked dead bodies on show for everyone to see. A male and female patient sharing the same room is a no no. Laurie laying on her side and freely around the bed after such a procedure was a miricle as were her post operative vital signs.
I had two glaring issues with the movie. Firstly, the writers really need to show more and tell less. The audience doesn’t need to be told how evil Michael is. Within the first 20 minutes of the movie we see him brutally massacre a bunch of firemen and an innocent couple in their own home. It’s abundantly clear he’s a force of evil. We don’t need these gratuitous monologues from Laurie and Hawkins to remind us, especially because they’re SO BORING! They completely wasted at least half an hour of runtime in the hospital and contributed nothing to the story. My second issue was the whole angry mob chase of the inmate. This was honestly some of the dumbest writing I’ve seen in a Halloween sequel. Do they think Michael’s just hanging out in the hospital? No mask or anything? There’s literally a scene where Tommy looks at the news coverage of the bus crash and they show a PHOTO of Michael on the screen. They rescued Lindsay from the park area after Michael attacked her earlier. Are we expected to believe Tommy Doyle and the majority of Haddonfield doesn’t know what Michael looks like? After everything that’s happened? It was so dumb my head was spinning.
The flashback was amazing 👍
@@pepinopolice6928 Loomis would 100% ask that. The only shitty thing about the flashback was Lonnie saying "the boogeyman"
I found myself waiting for the “intense” moments to start, they never did. I found myself waiting for the “ultra gory”scenes to happen, they never did.
The Hospital/Mental Patient subplot was like the Casino Planet in The Last Jedi lol.
I, too would find it unbelievable that an entire town(and hospital) would form a giant lynch-mob over a hand full of murders that "just happened" hours ago. People require" TIME" to get motivated to become angry ! Only Laurie's family and friends would be that pissed. This film really did seem too rushed to tell an alternate sub-plot. Too many weird plot-lines didn't fit.
I don’t buy for a second that a mother would leave her child’s side right after she was seriously injured and almost killed.
Dave, didn’t the bartender say that they all ( legacy characters) get together every year on Halloween?
Halloween 2018 set the bar extremely low.
Halloween Kills doesn't come close to reaching the aforementioned bar.
Halloween Ends will premiere on Tubi in October 2022.
One of the greatest parodies of all time. (Also, including Halloween II would have made this new trilogy so much better without even having to change much of the current material.)
I’m not going to lie. I hated it.
We never see Cameron’s discovery of Oscars death, no acknowledgment
I said it when I watched the movie that some of these characters should have been in Halloween 2018 but in more of a social setting, like Laurie sees Tommy at a ball game, maybe he's the coach of a little league team and see Lynsey at the grocery store or something...To have them just come back in Kills was not a great idea....Sometimes, more setup is better than more kills...
Edit: I really appreciated how they did Lil John and Big John and how it wasn't a big thing that they were a gay couple; it just happened that they were a gay couple who ended up in the Meyer's home.
Lmao the gurney thing with Oscar and his mom isn't accurate to hospitals in the States, I'm fairly certain. In mine and my girlfriends head canon that we made up while having a marathon ending with Halloween Kills, they didn't cover the body well in the morgue because of how chaotic the hospital was because of Michael and the other escaped inmate. Best way we came up to explain why that would happen (she's a social worker, so she has a bit more knowledge on this than I do as a game dev lmao)
The gay couple walking around the house referring to each other as big john and little John with a killer in the house was one of the dumbest things I've ever seen. Halloween 5 would even laugh at such ridiculous writing.
Big John and Little John was hilarious. Totally believable how people talk with a serial killer who you know use to live in your house, is stalking you.
no, it would be too much if the guy said lil John and Michael jumped out and said yeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaah!
Thanks for posting this. Loved the movie but my biggest complaint was no scene between Laurie and Leigh Brackett even though they were so close to each other in the hospital, that and that Sherriff Brackett went out like a bitch with a gun in his hand. After Donald Pleasence died I always thought they should bring Charles Cyphers back to take over the role as Michael's prime antagonist since he had extremely personal reasons to go after The Shape. Was so excited they were bringing him back but didn't give him enough to do and then he was mowed down just like that.
Maybe I need to watch it again but after Lindsay talks to the kids and sees Michael next to the car where everyone else is, where in the hell did she go during that whole Michael attack lol
I understand what you mean but she was putting bricks in the bag. That swing set was pretty far. LOL
Another question were tf did the nurse go after getting outta the car. She just gtfos outta there for 45 seconds
@@itslat3ncy978 yea I was scratching my head on that one
@@itslat3ncy978 yeah but the way she died was pure gold. you know Michael is experienced when he uses a car door to get someone to shoot themself.
I LOVED Michael in this....I LOVED the Loomis "cameo"....I loved this movie for what it is. I did not like Michael Anthony Hall's portrayal of Tommy and I could have gone with a few less "Evil dies tonight." stuff. Could you imagine if Paul Rudd did the role...just how much better it could have been? I even appreciated the sub plot of the wrong mentally ill man being mistaken for Michael. Some cheesy lines and so forth...but in the end....8 out of 10. Probably my favorite in the series just because this was a Michael I could be afraid of.
I thought the mistaken identity part worked, because I had a realization watching this movie; most of Haddonfield probably has never seen Michael. In the first movie he only killed 5 people, and he was mostly confined to Lindsey Wallace’s house before chasing Laurie to Tommy’s. Other than that he’s walking around on Halloween wearing a costume, so he’s likely not drawing *that* much attention
I like the hospital part, more or less, but I definitely think it could’ve gone through another draft. I think the biggest problem is that it just takes so much screen time. The whole thing to me made me think of Ben Tramer’s death in Halloween 2, except there’s an actual moment of people going “oh fuck we just killed a guy”
Danny Devito..lmao I thought the same thing.
I felt like they treated some or all of the legacy characters as clown characters complete idiots that's a dumb shit act like morons overact etc. Honestly I think they all had a combined total of 15 minutes of screen time... Just seemed like a waste. I mean shit this whole movie could have been just another hour tacked on the Halloween 2018.
I completely agree with you, pretty w/ much every point you made.
Oh & Morgues aren’t like that here in the states 😂😂. The morgue was really insane 😂. It was very distracting at the hospital scenes.
I thought the ending with the mob taking down Michael was kinda over kill, then him putting his mask on before fighting them reminded me of the Rob Zombie H2.scene with the 2 guys beating him with the bat.
The amount of times they said Michael Myers was ridiculous. Lol Halloween 2 1981(no one in the hospital) Halloween kills 2021 (the whole town in the hospital).
The dislike I hate about this Movie is that On where Tommy Foolisy goes after Lance because he thought it was Michael Myers and made it Kill himself And They Reailze it wasn't him and they killed off So many Legacy Characters on purpose if they would kept Them alive and starts Adding More Characters to saved them from very Poor Writing.
i agree..the fact that we have to have zero expectations fr these movies is sad. but true. the movie was bad. period. kill count doesn't change horrible lazy script w dumb characters and cringy dialogue. lmao. as much as i dislike 2018. it's waaaay btr than kills.
paul rudd should have been tommy. hands down.
Its official, they are no longer trying to make us believe Michael is still Human. They went way too far with the damage he took
They literally said that Michael wasn’t human and every person that he killed made him stronger, so great job saying the thing that they literally told us.
@@willdallas53
Ever heard of metaphorical speaking? David Gordon Green himself (the director of the movies btw) said Michael is human in the films yet makes this Myers literally invincible which is bullshit
Okay, I'm only going to comment because I like your vid's and have been following you all summer to current. I saw Halloween Kills finally. I have not let my wife watch it yet, well, more like we haven't watched it together yet. Main reason for that & this sums up my main concern about what I didn't like in the film & that is..... the murdering of the firefighter's. I'm sorry, I know Myers has murdered EMT and doctor's and all that. But, the scene where this stuff goes down, well, it just turned me off. I'm a vet and I have thought of being a volunteer firefighter. F.F. are not there to fight, they're heavily armed somewhat but save lives, put out fires, etc. Myers coming up and shoving axes and the big saw and all that like it's nothing, well, it's just unnecessary violence to me also. I love Halloween and the film's, most, especially the 1st 2 and part 4. I like the 2018 Halloween. I like this new one. I just think, Myers needs to be stopped finally. They need to bring in well equipped, trained and experienced Guardsmen and hunt him down, track him, get him into a kill zone and light him up heavily and then remove his limbs, head and burn his ass away. At the very least, a militia of hardcore guy's and having combat vet's would help. Not letting emotions get in the way & affect your reaction or action(s) neither, like what I think the F.F. did, losing comrades to Myers and being upset and not thinking clearly too, I think that counts as a factor as well as with the mob of people such as when they hunted down who they thought was Myers but it was really the other escaped mental patient who decided to leap to his own death. Emotions get you killed. Myers will too but either way, sorry for the length, but, this is my quick analysis on what I didn't like and that was the only thing I didn't like.
My favorites of Halloween and Halloween II remain securely in place. Sadly I think this installment proves that Halloween is now just a costume franchise. Get the superficial esthetics right and people forgive allot for a script no better written than the stories fans hate, because Michael did not look right. The only thing missing from this story was a guy in steel toe boots. Green isn't adding anything to the mythology. He shops the story arc of the franchise and creates talking points for the fans. Its very gimmicky and the diehards are drinking the Kool-aid. Its refreshing to see some calling it as it is. Green talking up this "trilogy" (like there's enough story to justify one) is like Simmons selling the importance of KISS. There's zero substance, but fans eat it up because he tells them what they want to hear. "Yeah there's a hidden novel in there. Keep looking. I'm making more." SMH
The Fire Department scene was a totally missed opportunity this was the scene I walked into this movie for mostly and now the ending was weak rushed and out of nowhere to the point I was confused more than sad about Karen dying
You're making a lot of good points and it would have been more effective if 2 was still part of the cannon but at the same time the line from Men In Black that Tommy Lee Jones says a person is smart people are dumb dangerous panicky animals and you know it I can conceivably believe absolutely this is probably going to be the most fun aspect of the movie to discuss and debate over the years
They showed Annie on the stretcher from Halloween 2 in kills. But it doesn’t exist
Good call
I'll saw that too!
Could not get that out of my head when I seen it. Lmao. Didn’t hurt the movie really to me, but all I could think was “why doesn’t this movie exist again?”
You could just say that chambers was wrong about those sealed documents about them being brother and sister.
The evil does tonight line was said maybe a few too many times but I quite enjoyed the hospital scenes
U saw the movie w/an open mind...I saw it again & honestly I got it right the first time. The film wasn't worth the wait or the hype.
For me most of the Hospital scenes were pretty stupid! No, in the states you can't see the bodies like that! They are covered and most times moved to the morgue with the quickness!
Exactly
I agree the evil dies tonight phrase was used way too much just use it once. We all know Michael Myers is evil we have known this for years. I was disappointed with this movie compared to Halloween 2018. I found the story not that great the uninteresting characters, bad acting and bad dialogue killed it for me. I could careless they died in the movie. I enjoyed the flashback scenes but more gruesome kills doesn't make a better Halloween movie. The original Halloween will always be my favorite followed by Halloween 2 and Halloween 2018. I would even put H20 as my fourth favorite Halloween movie.
i didn't see anything wrong with this movie for some reason lmao
Me to man
Watched it 3 times, the only thing i dislike is some of the dialogue. But most the time it's not bad.
Everything else i thought i disliked corrects itself and pays off later in the film.
Dialogue was cheesy and the “og characters” weren’t utilized the best but other than that I absolutely loved this movie! JJC kills it as the Shape. Loved the flashback scenes especially the “cameo” (has he killed agaaaiinne) 😆 much better than 2018 imo
@Chuckles O’hoolahan most of them yes but i will say this is the only one that can conpete with the first i mean it has all the scenes that we love from the first so why not
i loved it, 2018 was a dumpster fire.
Poor old Tommy only ever got "one" swing on michael, yet these other making up the numbers characters who dont even have lines get to put slugs in him and hit him repeatedly, in my ideal sequel Tommy should have gone to town on him with old huckleberry and then have Michael arise from that beatdown just to really frighten the fuck out of him only to then stab him in the heart like he does, that would have been awesome.
This movie made me have some newfound respect for Resurrection smh 🤦♂️
Hey Dave, given a lot of the common dislikes of the movie, the more I see it the more I feel strongly that if there is a lot of content cut especially from what I saw from the trailer, the movie could massively improve for the blue ray release if they just do the proper editing.
It should be easy to cut out a lot of unnecessary uses of “evil dies tonight”. Maybe reconsider the mental patient hospital sequence chase as a complete cut. If they were able to add a new scene I’d say change it to a custodian and instead of jumping out a window he’d fall back down an elevator shaft.
There’s a lot of good in this movie, to me it looks almost like it was massively longer and cut just for time in a theater where the right editing and expanding the length would allow it to breathe properly.
Alot of the dialogue choices sound more like something recited in a stage play... Not "real life"
I have a theory that JLC called Akkad after a tentpole Halloween film was announced and she got herself shoehorned into the movie. I can't believe DGG and Danny McBride's big pitch to Blumhouse was to redo H20 and with a side of H4. And HK felt like a 90 minute South Park episode. Insert "WE DIDN'T LISTEN" for "EVIL DIES TONIGHT" and it's pretty much the same thing. Good in parts, epic fail in others.
Lolz I don’t want to say your “theory” is dumb and makes no sense but Akkad died in a terrorist bombing in Jordan 16 years ago so I’m pretty sure, like 100% sure, that she didn’t call him to get put in this trilogy.
@@willdallas53 His son is in charge of the business and they still have the rights to Halloween. I'm aware, as is everyone I presume that Moustapha died in a terrorist attack 16 years ago. I had a brief brain fart on Malek Akkads first name so I just said Akkad. And obviously it's a theory but there was some time after the big announcement of Blumhouse doing Halloween with David Gordon Green and the announcement that JLC was returning. Why is it impossible that a general rehash was not what DGG and Danny McBride had in mind? Certainly feels shoehorned into H'18. And that's why its a theory and I'm not trying to act like I have inside info. Would I bet on me being right? Probably not. Would I be shocked if I was right? Probably not. Was I incredibly disappointed JLC was returning to the franchise? Absolutely.
@@willdallas53 his son malek is head of trancas who owns Halloween so that “akkad” might be who the commenter was referring to.
I didn’t like how brought these old characters back just kill them off besides Lindsay. they should’ve saved them for Halloween Ends.
why did Tommy go out like Resurrection Laurie? he was a badass character and Michael dropped him in 2 seconds. im fine with him dying but at least give him a good battle first. and why was Laurie talking over that part? that watered down that moment.
Decent movie, just a fun movie to watch.
You may say this in the dislikes at some point, but I just hate all the one liners or catchphrases. It’s like they said hey main at the end what Loomis says that was the boogeyman or whatever he says. They said let’s just have a bunch of that on there, but it’s not as cool when it happens repetitively throughout
I didn't really go into the movie to critique it. I just was a Halloween fan enjoying the movie and I liked it way better than 2018. it felt like I was on a nostalgic cruise. The hospital scenes I have to admit was not my favorite but every time Michael is on screen it's badass. It's a fun thrill ride to me Loved the flashback scenes. There might be too much comedic relief too because the audience was laughing when people were getting hacked to death because the dialogue was so hilarious. At the theatre, I went to everyone was happy and loved it you could feel that everybody enjoyed it and it was a very fun time. Overall I would say it's my 3rd favorite in the series
I agree they should have showed a flash back of Laurie & Brackett too & more of Tommy seeing Laurie in the Hospital showing a flashback when he was small & she babysit him maybe him looking out the window seeing the boogeyman
I only saw it once so far but I've got plans for more viewings. I'm with you on the nurse disappearing before she returns to shoot at Michael. I personally didn't mind the hospital scenes but I did find they could have shortened up the hospital scenes and not dragged out the mistaken Myers storyline. Otherwise I loved the film. It was quite the ride. Well worth the wait.
One little nitpick I have is the scene with one of the Johns (I think that the taller guy was actually Little John) running upstairs after his significant other gets killed, seeing his body and then saying to Michael Myers "Michael, you've come home!". I wouldn't be saying anything! I'd be getting the hell outta Dodge, man!! I'm running back down those stairs, out the front door and finding some sort of help. Anyways, this is just a minor complaint. I still thought that the movie was decent.
Yes the big one was little John and the little one was big John. I guess the writers thought it was a hilarious joke. I think the line about you’ve come home was supposed to show that he was like in awe of Myers and the mythology and stuff. I think they tried to tie that knot with them telling the story and telling the kids to respect the house but it didn’t land.