Testing 5 Different Motor Fan Setups for a 2WD Buggy (feat. Kendall Bennett)
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- čas přidán 17. 08. 2020
- Today we test 5 different methods for cooling our Team Associated B6.2 Brushless motor to determine which cooling method is the best. What are the setups and which won? Keep watching to find out.
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Legitimately impressed the CEO of the company is still such a good driver and has a competitive background in RC.
He beats everyone every weekend! Lol
same
Kendall rocking the Paul components t-shirts! Proper nerd in mtb and Rc, sweet!
Vegard Skorpen should our to Paul!
The man loves Moto GP, that's as good as it gets! Props to him
Great video guys...Like the Pauls Components shirt Kendell was wearing too....
Amain, needs to do more in Australia.
I’m from Melbourne Australia, we need RC TRACKS!
Excellent Video, keep them coming 👍🏻😎
I’ve tried many different way to mount a fan myself and found that the waterfall mount worked best as well. Depending on the fan I was getting 20-30 degrees lower b
These videos rock. I'm returning back to RC 1/10 2wd buggy after many years away and these have been very helpful. Please keep them coming.
Doing something similar in my 2wd slash, much better than the garbage on Amazon!
Wow. I wasn’t expecting to get that question answered. Awesome!
Thanks for posting this - it's awesome that the CEO is a true enthusiast. I placed an order for this fan and a few other parts to finish out my "new to me" B6.3. Excited to hit the track. I really appreciate all the content you guys are putting out. I recognize it's a ton of work, but it's why I chose to buy from you all over your competitors.
So it sound like any fan configuration is better than none👍🏼
This clip sneaked by while I wasn't lookin. Its Sydney, its summertime, we're racing and we're getting thermal shut downs in ambient 35C temps. Having played about (amateur) with cooling fans and solutions, since none of the manufacturer solutions do very much right now (Losi, X-Ray). This clip confirms what I found so far, if you want to cool the motor, the fan has to blow on to the motor can directly, then it works very well. The drama is finding a way to mount the fan so it can do that. So far all attempts work well but succumb to the extreme G forces of racing. However, in interest of finding a solution, testing continues as time permits. Necessity being the mother of invention.
Great clip though, to see actual real world testing and recording the results. Good juob guys.
What we do is put thw fan behind the motor on an angle and secure with double sided tape then i make a shroud out of plastic and secure to the fan with double sided tape also. For the low profile Bodies this is the best option. You need to cut the back of the body around the fan to maximize air flow. Also i like to use a body reamer and make some holes on the opposite side to let some of the hot air escape and i also make some holes in the front windshield to let some air flow through the body.
Oklahoma is so strapped for good hobby shops! We need you!
You guys should do this again but do a vary low budget build
I second that
I third that
Do I hear a fourth
@@dominiciannucci8480 indeed
Yesss
You guys are absolute badasses for being able to be in that heat!!!
I can’t stand being in any temperature higher than 75F
Hey I’m from Melbourne Australia too!
Are you 6’7”?
Can't believe he said Melbourne like that... :(
Great to see head to head testing. Maybe add a stylish air scoop to the body.
I literally spent all day yesterday watching Amain Hobbies channel. Dang that was a good day!! 😁😎
Can't wait for my first purchase from you guy's come September!
Glad you found the channel and enjoy the videos!
-Brett
Again!!! Thank you for your awesome videos!!!! I know it takes time and effort. Much appreciated!!!! Wonder how that new AE B74.1 is looking? 😁😁😁
Man that is HOT! If my motor gets over 140F I consider it too hot. Anything over 180F is bad news. I'm really surprised the fan couldn't keep the motor below 180F, even with 100F ambient. I'd say back off timing or go down a pinion if it's that hot with a fan.
That very hot can blow ENGINE
Brett looks 90 percent postive. I will be getting my Truck back tomorrow iam so Excited can't wait to see how blue medium loctite holds up for me!!
Hey guys you can also shave the stock fan mount down a bit to fit in the factory location but turn to the back of car. Drill screw hole through and can mount the fan on the rear
Maybe you try the rear-side mounted Fan again while its shooting out of the car, also with holes in the front window?
thats what i'm running in my 1/8scale buggy and my temps dropped by like 20°C in 30+°C ambient!
Wish you guys did this on a TLR 22 5.0! Trying to look up fan mount options and there doesn’t seem to be many to pick from.
I run waterfall and drilled some holes in the body above the fan 👌👌👌
Aside from being a great video - your CEO rocks! He is an amazing RC driver and his favorite sport is Moto GP!! 😁
Thank you for answering my question you made my day
He's pretty freaking tall. My neighbor is 6'7" and he makes me feel like a kid and I'm 6'1". LOL Actually past tense...he moved like 4 months ago. HAHAHAHA. I'm assuming you had seen pictures of him or himself INRL?
I drilled a 1 inch hole in my windshield on my brushed losi 22 sct. Ran a hose to the motor, like air ram style. I run 3s which really makes it haul ass. Have not checked to see if it makes a difference yet due to rain. Budget was zero lol..
Great video. Thank you. So I ask, is that pushing or pulling the air?
Great video, and sweet track! Where is that located?
I just ordered the r1 fan shroud
I would expect the water fall brace to perform better. With the fan mounted behind the motor and pushing the air forward, this fan must fight the air that is coming into the body from forward movement. If you could shroud this fan it would perform better and how I am building mine.
I’m here for Brett
Just got my Xmaxx from AMain Hobbies!
Have you tried to flip the fan where it pull the hot motor air off it instead of the fan drawing/pulling air to the motor or vice versa? Simply which is better pull or push fan?
Pushing colder air on it. Just lowers temps...thats the whole idea...pulling the hot air will just recycle it Inside the body...not lowering Temps
Thanks Brett , do you set the fans to blow onto the motor or extract. Cheers
Yes, the fan is set to blow in the direction of the motor.
-Brett
i reckon for a large open body shell, the on motor fan is best.
The only downside to mounting the fan like this is durability. I tried this one time and after a Wednesday night club race the fan had stopped working. Not to it working over time or anything, but from crashing upside down. Due to the fan being right underneath the body, it's the first thing that gets hit when landing upside down. I ended up putting the fan back on the side of the car instead, but would like to try putting it on the back corner of the car at some point since that showed to be the best placement for cooling the motor down.
I’ve never even needed a fan mine runs so cool
how would a heatsink with thermal paste plus a fan fair??
I also needed this how many prise tell
Coloring a car white is a great way to keep the overall heating down
I would be interested to know if the fan direction makes a difference…? Which way were you guys going..? I assume at the motor..?
Each test was with the fan blowing on the motor. Blowing away from the motor would be interesting to test but we didn't try that.
-Brett
What battery was used in the test. I'm taking. Mine out sunday for its first shake down run but ures looks alot quicker. I'm running 17.5 on a 69/31 as recommended in the manual. My battery is a 2s 7.6v HV. Be interested to know if you've gpsd in ures in a 7.4v
It was a brand new ProTek 2S 6100mAh; this one: www.amainhobbies.com/protek-rc-2s-120c-low-ir-sigraphene-hv-shorty-lipo-battery-7.6v-6100mah-ptk-5114-20/p1060482
It's the 2020 version and it's powerful! For our testing, we were only charging to 8.4V, not LiHV voltage.
-Brett
How did you get power to the fan? I’m trying to avoid using a Y harness & to clean up the wiring? Thanks.
We used this Ruddog 4-Channel receiver that had extra ports for the fan. We didn't design it this way, but it worked out.
Here is that receiver: www.amainhobbies.com/ruddog-rr482-2.4ghz-4channel-fhss4-fhss3-receiver-sanwa-compatible-rdgrp-0176/p897666
-Brett
Loved the video Brett amazing bro still want this 1520 motor just wondering about batteries to get the max power just want it be right do amain hobby’s ship batteries to northern Ireland I’m about 5 miles out Belfast
Hey Sam. We may not be able to ship LiPo's internationally because the shipping carriers considered them hazardous. Other than LiPo's, most everything else we should be able to ship to you. Even if you source LiPo's from a local shop, I would recommend looking for packs with high C Ratings; 60C and above if you can help it. Please avoid 50C or below as they may not be able to keep up with a powerful 1520 motor/esc system. Good luck!
-Brett
@@AMain_Hobbies ok Brett ur a gentleman thank u iv made my mind up I’m going for the 1520 thank u bro
Get those plastic ice cubes keep them well frozen and tie one/two up with a rubber band behind the fans for the run...Keep clear off 100°C(boiling temp)parts and it will deliver much needed cold for a few minutes...!!!
The water fall setup needs A scoop!
Nice buggy
Is the fan blowing ?
Should have done an oval… so much more controlled just mashing and braking
Quick question
Can I run a 12v 0.6A rated cooling fan on a 12.6v 12A power supply or will it smoke up?
I'm thinking that should be ok. The fan will probably work at 12.6V without issue but will it shorten the lifespan of the fan? Maybe; but I don't think it will burn up. Hope that helps.
-Brett
@@AMain_Hobbies Thanks alot
Anyone ever said you look like Cody King. Lol serious question, how do you adjust brake strength, with the m11x? What is the trim setting for brakes? On an electric buggy?
You'll want to check out the ESC for the brake strength programming. All competition grade ESC's will have this function and will allow you to easily adjust the strength with a program card or something similar. The throttle trim button on the transmitter really only adjusts the neutral point up and down between throttle and breaks, but not the strength of the breaks.
-Brett
Lol. Cody is a great guy and we raced a lot together back in the day. He was a teenager back then! I was in Thailand when he won the worlds also, awesome race. As for brake strength I have my radio close to 90 and use the ESC to set it so I still can dial in a bit more. For 2wd it’s usually about 80% in the ESC.
@@kendallbennett7451 I have the m12 also and brake setting is in the trim settings. Not sure where to find it 9n m11x radio? Thanks
@@AMain_Hobbies on my m12 it has brake strength setting but haven't found it on m11x radio? Thanks
Question. How do wire up a fan if your receiver only has three slots? Solder to the battery leads on the esc?
I think you can get a Y-Splitter and connect the fan with the transponder. You could solder the fan to the battery leads, but power will fluctuate with battery voltage (not a big deal) but replacing the fan when it breaks will not be so convenient. www.amainhobbies.com/eflite-3-yharness-ultra-lightweight-eflryh3ul/p56868
-Brett
@@AMain_Hobbies one other question. I Just picked up the waterfall brace and the fan you mentioned. What size screws do you use to mount the fan?
@@thelurker9472 There you go! It's a great cooling solution. You're going to need some 3x14mm or 3x16mm long screws to go through the fan and thread into the mount.
-Brett
Can you tell me the part # of your protek temp gun you are using. I cannot find it on the AMain website.
It’s discontinued it was PTK-8310
Big Daddy is right, it's discontinued.
-Brett
Bummer! I wanted to order one.
The Wright 1 its gone at the moment. It will come back but we can’t get any at the moment. Temp guns are hard to get due to COVID as everyone wants them.
Please make Ideal an option to pay!
How far are you guys From Reno Nevada?.... I just got into RC Im planning to race at Whip it arC raceway in Reno Nevada but Id like to come to a race there also
Sweet, congrats on getting involved in racing! If you're feeling the road trip, we're about 3-4 hours away. Be sure to check out the AMain RC Tracks FB page for updates, closures and schedule info before you visit: facebook.com/search/top?q=amain%20rc%20tracks
-Brett
Brett sounds so different holding and talking to the camera than in the studio
Yeah, like more tired and sunburnt.
-Brett
What brand of fan is that sounds like a Tornado I need one
It's the ProTek 30mm; this one: www.amainhobbies.com/protek-rc-30x30x10mm-aluminum-high-speed-hv-cooling-fan-silver-black-ptk-2111/p995313
-Brett
Where did you guys plug the fan into?
The extra port on the receiver. Any extra channel or the the AUX port will do. If you don't have an open port because of the transponder, a Y-Splitter cable can be used to plug the transponder on one side, and then the fan on the other: www.amainhobbies.com/eflite-3-yharness-ultra-lightweight-eflryh3ul/p56868
-Brett
Letting those motor temps reach 200+ degrees didn't do damage to the stator windings or magnets? 🤔
No, these racing motors are meant to withstand these temperatures, I would hope anyone who comments here knows at least that these racing motors are meant to be run very hard, so they are made to withstand these temps
I use industrial fan..😁
4:00 ninja warriors
@Amain Tried the waterfall mount and fan on my b6.2 after watching this video and it made my car handle horribly, ruined months of setup. Car didn’t fly well, body didn’t fit, zero traction in corners. Wouldn’t recommend it.
Sorry to hear that Peter. I'm surprised adding the fan caused that much setup change. Hopefully you were able to get your car back to how it was before.
-Brett
You guys need to cut air holes in the body or even better cut the front window out of it. You will get better air flow to everything plus with the fan blowing in the car. It has really no where to go out quickly and remove heat. Yes it will take some out but not as well. We go through a lot in the rc boats when guys do not cut holes in the cowling to get air in and out. Suffocates the 2 stroke motors real bad. Example is 2x the air outlet as you have coming in. Try it and I think you might even see a bigger difference in it. I do realize you are running on carpet and some guys will run the setup in dirt which now you will have dirt being flung into the car through the window from the front cars. Walls can be done to divert the dirt but at same time still get good air into it.
PUT A BOX FAN ON IT!!
can you do rc flying hobby
Ayy
Why not use every fan mount same time😅
Protec fan
You should do a $150 2wd buggy build
Bikes and Rc This isn’t banggood’s channel
My 2wd race buggy on 3s is going 60+ mph under 150 it is a Redcat racing cyclone xb10 upgraded
Here is the link to a video of my car with a 2s LiPo in it czcams.com/video/DTXEeiQPvQY/video.html
I would have liked to know how old he is.
rc guy about to turn 50! Time flies.
Anything over 180f means risk of damaging magnets over time.
Shouldn't have bothered letting the motor cool down. Seeing how the fan effects heat equilibrium Is what you want to know.
If you don't cool the motors there is no way to keep the testing method consistent. Starting temperature NEEDS to be consistent among all tests for the data to have value.
-Brett
@@AMain_Hobbies I would have to disagree. Same concept eith testing cooling on computer cpu's the most reliable results of how effective the cooling is comes from bringing the loop or heat sink.upto equilibrium operating temperature first and then the different cooling methods show more reliably. Perhaps a makeshift treadmill with a constant resistance could be cobbled together. Without any cooling the motor should reach a temperature at which it holds constant under its own output and cooling. Then adjust the fan positions or compennants accordingly and reasses. Bringinf the motor upto temp as part of the test brings in many more variables. Having the motor hot from.the start of the test doesn't represent real world as well but it does control the experiment much better.
I just fart onto my engine between runs.
Gentlemen may I know why you blow on fire instead of sucking or depriving it of oxygen.... seriously I run all my fans in exhaust fashion. Heat rises... you want to remove it not blow 101 degrees ambient on it. Also, you need a heat sink that touches every inch of the motor if possible and fins at least half inch with a fan sucking heat away and out somewhere there needs to be flow. IMHO
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greenville nc has nothing for rc,, 100 miles to anything
Laser temp guns are garbage