Can You Save Money On Your Gas Burner And Be Happy?
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- čas přidán 3. 03. 2023
- The Trangia Gas Burner has been in our kit for years as the backup for our Firebox wood burning stove. Firebox just came out with a burner of their own for a much lower price so we had to find out if they have a worthy competitor to the Trangia or do they just have a low budget Asian burner?
NOTE-Firebox has provided early adopters of their gas burner an updated part. I will install this part and provide and update on the burner's performance if I find that it is materially different.
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Thank you, I appreciate the better understanding of your perspective. You seem like a very nice guy. I wish you would have communicated your concerns with myself or my customer service specialist prior to publicly attacking a product I put a lot of consideration and concern into. I will look at the listing to see how I can better communicate what makes this burner stand out from others on the market. Thank you for your feedback.
When developing a product a lot of decisions have to be made. Every decision comes with pros and cons which shape the final result. Many other burner designs focus on having very high BTU outputs and being able to withstand wind better but to do so they have drawbacks when it comes to trying to cook at reasonable temperatures. My focus has always been on cooking real food with fresh ingredients rather than boiling freeze-dried meals so that's the direction I went with my design.
Sorry Steve, I didn't mean it as an attack on the product, simply as a comparison to the very good Trangia burner. I try to be very unbiased and fair in my reviews and I am sorry if you feel I didn't live up to that standard. As mentioned I am a big fan of Firebox and have always had very good service, often touting the 5" in my videos.
I meant no disrespect to you or your team personally. In this review (perhaps with less than 100% clarity of product intent) I simply didn't think it was a contender.
Well done as always
Thanks Tate for dropping in!
Nice comparison!!
Thanks for dropping by.
Good video and and a very well done conclusion/summary with a highlight of alternatives - keep it up.
I appreciate it and thanks for dropping by!
This was an excellent review and comparison!
Many thanks and we appreciate you dropping by!
very well done i think i could use either thank for the info
Yep, Wolf or Whirlpool, either will get the job done, just not the same.
This is an excellent review thank you
I really like the Oven ! Any fuel taste at all ?
I actually dig the FB burn pattern
None at all.@@doinsngoins
I noticed a couple of things that may have affected your test. One was already mentioned but the yellow flames indicate that you didn’t have the air adjustment open to full which would have made a much more consistent and concentrated flame similar to the Trangia. The other issue is using propane only may be less efficient with the firebox stove because of its size and design. I run isobutane in mine and it is very comparable to the Trangia, with smaller cups like toakes 650 it does better than the Trangia. I enjoy the option of choking the air down and getting the fire pit look with the firebox. The Trangia can’t do that. They both are good at different things I think. Thanks.
On your second point I agree 100% that, despite Firebox marketing the propane adaptor on the burner page, I don't think it is able to manage the pressure of propane as well.
For setting the burner I tried different settings and used the setting recommended by Firebox, 70% if I recall correctly. I opened it up all the way I had issues with the flame being more susceptible to wind and blowing out (yes wind protector would have helped for sure).
At the end of the day, unlike the Firebox skillet which I thought really was a great alternative to the Fry-Bake, here I just didn't think the Firebox was a cheaper option with equal performance given it was a comparison test.
Having said that I don't think the Firebox is horrible or anything and clearly you like it so take that just as my opinion. For sure the Trangia cannot do the campfire flame and, as you say, for some smaller pots it might have an advantage.
Anyway thanks so much for your insight and sharing your experiences. I hope the folks get a well rounded view of the burner. And thanks for checking out the channel.
I'll get with you this weekend about our chat next Monday
Interesting demonstration was going to buy Steve’s Firebox burner but after this I think I will buy the Trangia.
I do think the Trangia is a better burner. I really like a lot of the Firebox gear and use it all the time (don't know if you saw my skillet throw down) but this one, in my testing didn't wow me. I know a wind block would have helped, but it would have helped both burners so to me that is not a deciding factor.
I know some others have said that mine might have had some problems as their experience was different which may be true, but if so is there a quality control issue or did I just get a dud first run burner?
You do a fantastic job with the objective tests. I was surprised to see how much better that the flame pattern was off the tringia. A consideration here is the heat wasted off an erratic flame pattern menas you're wasting fuel. Trongia definitely wins.
It was really wild, much wilder with the propane than it was with the butane, unfortunately I prefer propane for a couple reasons but with the Flame King bottles it saves so much waste. As long as I am driving and not hiking the weight isn't a concern for me.
Pretty cool video. I am not very familiar with this type of cooking equipment. When I camp I bring my 36" Blackstone or plow disc cooker. Nice job.
haha-ya that gets a little big for the Jeep! Thanks for checking us out.
Alcohol burners are also a third option for cooking. There is the trangia alcohol burner, plus you can make a fancy feast alcohol burner with carbon felt. Perfect for winter! I hope this helps! Cool canister burners! :) Great video!
Absolutely the alcohol burner is another option, and I almost discussed that in this video since the same Firebox pins can be used to hold a Trangia alcohol burner but I decided that was for another day.
yeah... I went with the Trangia, I like the burner better
use it during power-outages & camping
It will serve you well.
Great review and comparison, Dick! I think Trangia is definitely worth the extra cost. But the firebox works, just not as good.
Yep, you get what you pay for I guess. Thanks for dropping by.
One of the things I see that should be considered is the Trangia Fuel loop over the burner , I presume this will help will cold weather simmer.
I concur and mentioned in the video that the Firebox lacked the tube, so you are spot on with that.
@@dickinaroundoutdoors8609 yes , caught that toward the end , I have that loop on some stoves , game changer on low flame
The flame diffuser is probably best for a skillet.
I think you are absolutely right, just spreads the flame out to a wider pattern. Thanks for checking our channel out!
Nice testing method, but I think you got a dud Firebox burner. The flame pattern you had is nothing like the one I got from them. Maybe mine is newer and “fixed”, but mine is way more fine and consistent. It works really well on smaller cups like my Grayl stainless steel cup and my toakes cups. Thanks for sharing your experience.
That is really interesting and would be a bummer if that were true, but it would also point out that, at this price point, Firebox may have a bit of quality control issue in their manufacturing process. As it stands I will continue to recommend the Trangia.
Thanks for your comment, it is very interesting.
Maybe you need to adjust the O2 valve on the fire box burner. Definitely affects the flame pattern if the O2 is too rich. Just a thought
A good thought too and it did make a bit of a difference when it was wide open as it pushed the flame and blew out much easier. We followed the Firebox setting recommendation for the tests.
Thanks for checking out the channel!
I think you might want to do a new video of this as there’s upgrade for the firebox gas burner ?
I just received notice of the update and that it is on the way, so once I see what it involves and if it is materially different I will absolutely do a follow up. Thanks for bringing this up.
With fire box stove you need to refine the air valve according to your need/ gas used and elevation
Thanks for dropping by and you are correct on that.
Just a point to note in the test should use two gas’ cartridges both the same weight as if using one cartridge to test both after the first test the second test would have lesser pressure in the cartridge.
Good shout out-thanks for watching and taking the time to comment!
universal gas law: PV=nRT
I bet lowering gas temperature from propane vaporization has more influence here
one simple solution to stabilize temperature is put the propane tank partially submerged in a water tub, the bigger the flame the more water is required
Can I ask what the temperature is there outside when the testing took place
I don't recall the ambient but the water for the butane boil test was 55F when we did the test (the second boil test).
Thanks for checking out the channel.
the other reason your biscuits burnt is you need some sort of trivet to keep them off the bottom of oven
And some ball brings or barking foil rolled into balls to help retain heat
Thanks for the insight and checking out the channel.
You might want to adjust the airflow on the firebox gas burner. Something you can't do on the trangia burner.
You are correct, that is an option on the Firebox. My understanding from the instructions were that it came preset for cooking and changes in the burner we designed to make it burn less efficiently in order to mimic a more yellow "campfire" effect.
Perhaps Firebox will add to the conversation and add some color to this idea?
@@dickinaroundoutdoors8609 You should try a test inside with boil rates. Another CZcams channel did a comparison and both boiled at the same rates. The titanium diffuser allows you to grill with it as well. I agree a guided video from firebox would be great 👍
@@zero-ol2nt You are spot on that the stoves are closer with no environmental factors. In this regard I ran them and the Firebox was 30 seconds slower to the boil on 32 oz of water starting temp 57F. I don't normally test gear in this manner as I think it is more meaningful to test them in the use environment but in the controlled environment the burners were closer.
Honestly there are so many variables including (in my mind) the amount of butane in the canister, temp, etc that you would likely get different results on any given day. The outdoor burn tests were done using a new canister of butane, the indoor I just did on the same canister that had less fuel in it and as butane discharges the canister cools (again my impression) and that chills the butane, making it less volatile slightly which might even affect the outcome depending on which stove you test first.
I am not sure on grilling using the diffuser as I would normally hold that for wood fire, but you may be correct.
Does your Trangia gas burner have sharp edges? I have read that in some reviews.
Also, it would be interesting to have a rematch of these two burners with the airflow adjusted a bit on the Firebox - maybe 2/3 open. I have read that the full open airflow position is for high altitude situations if needed.
I have never had any issues on either of my Trangia burners with sharp edges, so I would say that has not been my experience at all.
Regarding the air/fuel mixture the instructions with the burner say that the holes covered 50%- 100% provide the typical gas burner flame while closing it creates a more inefficient burn that can actually create smoke. My burner came with the holes approximately 60% open (hard to judge accurately) but that should be optimal for the burner per the instructions.
@@dickinaroundoutdoors8609 Thank you - that's helpful! I thought that the burner airholes had arrived fully open. Also, good to hear that you haven't had problems with sharp metal edges on the Trangia!
@@mkcrowder2257 I don’t think anyone would be unhappy with the Firebox burner using butane if not doing timed runs. It only seems to me that, in that price range there are choices and I prefer to burn propane (really prefer white gas) and the Trangia handles propane much better in my experience.
@@dickinaroundoutdoors8609 Do you use your gas burners fairly often in the Firebox stove?
@@mkcrowder2257 Actually we do, easy to make coffee for breakfast without waiting for a fire to burn out and everything cool down.
Honestly, you're missing the point of this product.
This burner was designed for cooking specifically to work better for low temperature cooking. Simmering and even for baking where an extremely low but consistent temperature is needed.
the Wood Flame Gas Burner also has the ability to be used as a heat source for grilling. Your review doesn't mention any of the aspects for which the wood flame gas burner excels the most. It only focuses on boiling which was the last of my concerns throughout the design process.
Here's a video where I grill a steak to perfection using the wood flame gas burner combined with the included Emberglow diffuser plate:
czcams.com/video/eY66LtiJVUY/video.html
Obviously this product isn't for you therefore I would be happy to offer you a full refund. Please contact our customer service so we can take care of your needs.
Thanks for reaching out Firebox, I was hoping you would. Let me first say I am a big fan of Firebox as can be seen in many of my videos using the 5" Firebox and the skillet review where the Firebox went toe to toe with the Fry-Bake.
Here is the description from the website so you may understand how it is not clear that this was designed for low temperature baking and not normal cooking tasks.
"Easy to use, works with all Firebox Stove models, provides fast boil times and keeps your pans soot free. Revolutionary in three ways: 1. The air / fuel mixture is adjustable! Customize your flame, from fast blue for cooking to slow red for ambience. Also helpful for high elevation tuning. 2. The Ti Ember Glow Diffuser disperses heat for more even pan cooking! 3. Ti Ember Glow Diffuser allows for radiant grilling to turn any Firebox Stove into a portable Gas Grill."
I am very aware of your excellent customer service but have passed he burner on.
The Trangia rolls looked too dark on the bottom. Maybe it could be argued that a better roll is produced overall with the Firebox burner despite taking a bit more time?
Or could you have baked the rolls for less time with the Trangia for less burn on the bottoms and adequately golden tops?
I have been spending the entire day doing some testing to attempt some better results regardless of the stove. I have some insights that will be in upcoming videos with multiple camp ovens.
@@dickinaroundoutdoors8609 Terrific! Thanks!
Video won't play.
That is odd, something wonky with YT?
@@dickinaroundoutdoors8609 Yes there is. About 1/4 of the videos won't play. Not just yours.
@@dickinaroundoutdoors8609 I reformatted and reinstalled my computer. Now things seem to play OK for the time being.
Nice gear yes! Affordable? BARELY. Still far too expensive for most poor people.
Trangia - TRAN GEE (long G) UH is the way to pronounce it. Not Tran-gea
Was a bit confusing when you mispronounced it.
Even a Firebox needs a wind screen sometimes.
Diffuser is needed to spread the heat for certain cookware and foods so it is not concentrated in only one small spot.
I will leave the pronunciation to the response below to @melissahoffman4687 and yes, a windscreen would have been beneficial. Since I was comparing two burners under the same conditions my comments were meant to be comparative and not definitive and the observation was that the Firebox burner was much more negatively impacted by wind. I have yet to do more tests on the diffuser to see how it impacts fry pans as it requires either radiant only heat instead of direct heat on the cooking vessel or the flame to be turned up high enough to extend beyond the edges of the diffuser. The only camp stove that I am aware of using radiant heat is the MSR Windburner (a great stove for its designed purpose from what I hear) which utilizes a relatively large radiant burner, not a diffuser plate.
At the end of the day I didn't say the Firebox burner was horrible, my conclusion was that it was not a lower cost option to the Trangia that performed as well (as did the Firebox fry pan vs the Fry-Bake).
If it is a thermal diffuser made of sheet metal (optionally double sheet + blind perforation + embossing), the element should be tangential
to the bottom of the vessel.
If you have a flame diffuser for grilling, it should be made of fine, heat-resistant mesh. It can be two-layered: perforated sheet + mesh,
free space and a grate on top.
@@dickinaroundoutdoors8609 #1. The Firebox Stove 5” G2 cooker was not designed for a gas burner and requires updating and modification.
#2. If it is a thermal diffuser made of sheet metal (optionally double sheet + blind perforation + embossing), the element should be tangential
to the bottom of the vessel.
If you have a flame diffuser for grilling, it should be made of fine, heat-resistant mesh. It can be two-layered: perforated sheet + mesh,
free space and a grate on top.
You are correct, the design is a wood stove that the manufacturer has provided parts for which allow a gas burner to be fitted-not the same but dramatically increases the utility in my opinion.
On the diffuser I use a flame tamer for managing heat on a stove as in my last Omnia Oven video.
So long story short I agree with you!@@rowerowyja9982
Trangia might be pronounced "Tran - jee- uhhh."
Yes I have heard it pronounced both ways by folks and some folks from Scandinavia actually leave the G sound out entirely and pronounce it tran-ya.
At the end of the day I have always used the pronunciation that I first heard from a Finnish guy.
They also pronounce Primus Pre-Mus.
Guess Trangia will have to chime in and set the record straight!