Foodfight! Various early animated scenes
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- Between 2000-2002, Threshold Digital Research Labs produced 7 minutes of animation for their feature film Foodfight! to show to potential investors and the press. This reel was animated with key frames in LightWave and directed by Jim George and George Johnsen. While the reel still remains missing, this is most of what was in it.
Not all the audio is accurate, some of it has lines dubbed over it from the table read audio on the workprint. But you can hear the original dubbing underneath their lines at certain points. (Mostly noticeable with Daredevil Dan.)
There's a few scenes tacked at the end because I felt they were too short to put in order without being jarring. Was mainly just wanting to upload this so they're up anyway. There's a few extremely short clips I forgot to add, which can be seen in the behind the scenes video and the Q-tip tests, but this is 95% of what I've found. - Krátké a kreslené filmy
No, the movie was not stolen or deleted in 2002. No, there is no movie that was lost that still needs to be found. They only had about 7 minutes of animation completed before it was scrapped and rehauled entirely around late 2004.
There are reports of the FBI investigating a "break-in" in late 2002, however whatever was reported to be stolen wasn't actually gone. The same animation would keep being shown to investors even as late as 2005 and every model was still in the servers around that time as well. Nothing ever actually went missing, they still had everything even by the very end.
Confused? Watch the documentary. czcams.com/video/xgBO9c3WKII/video.html
Literally a clearly bogus lie from the producers, yeah 😂
When you say 7 minutes, do you mean like approximately or literally? Because if it's the latter, then what happened to the remaining 24 seconds?
That was one sorry rehaul, then.
To think Nostalgia Critic quoted that fact in his review. It's yet another sad case on how this misinformation was spread for several years, but has been heavily debunked and proven otherwise. But considering how hated this movie is, I don't blame some people for not wanting to do deep research into it. Although the behind-the-scenes is more interesting than the actual movie itself.
@@andykishore THE LEGEND HAS RETURNED
It's incredible how overnight this film went from just an expensive mess to a misdirected tragedy.
2012: Movie's files were reportedly stolen.
2024: Director allegedly scrapped the original film's animation in favour for mo-cap animation.
Just really sad
@@patrinizer346 The second part is the most likely scenario, that POS doesn’t understand how intricate and complex motion capture was in its early stages. Hell, it was difficult for the people who worked on the CG animated series of Donkey Kong Country.
That's what you get for axing your Staff after putting them through Hell. Of course they fought back. 🙄
Just think, this could’ve been how Toy Story ended up if not for an awesome animator who was pregnant
Dex originally being a human makes Sunshine being really humanoid make a lot more sense
I wonder why they changed it? 🤔
@@KyleEvra They probably thought animal = more marketable
Cats hate dogs, it's an irony thing. Honestly they should've made Dex a human with dog ears & tail.
@@KyleEvra Larry would ask them to change a lot of stuff out of nowhere, it was probably just a random thing he thought would be "cooler"
@@Mr_TheJayman I think the human design was really cool, I kinda wish they kept it, the early animation version of the dog one looked alright too, the final movie looks god awful though
Imagine how different would have been if Larry hired an actual animation director to make this.
Probably still would've been a piece of shit lmao
I feel that what truly killed the project was switching to mocap for every animated thing
Dreamworks animation?
Maybe in a alternate timeline food fight could’ve Been like hoodwinked,where it’s a solid film despite its questionable animation,but as it stands,these clips are better then the actual food fight film itself
The Differently timeline and we can make a Time Machine to make that timeline happen mixed with the Onochverse with small ounces of Stephenverse and Johnsonverse and Sonic Xtreme and OTL combined with it.🤓😈😏😉
I feel like it would've still been an awkward brand pandering mess
Hoodwinked has a better and more unique idea for a plot than this movie ever had, and it also executes on it very well.
This looks like it would have decent slapstick unlike the final version, but the plot itself was pretty similar, and it is a way bigger problem with the movie than the awful looking animation and lighting.
There is no such thing as a bad idea, only bad execution, and the Brand X idea is actually pretty cool and topical even today thanks to Twitter, about how a colourful design is important to our enjoyment of a product and how the corporate takes even colourful marketing away from us.
But the execution of the final movie is so strange that to make it good you can't just reanimate it and change sone scenes, you need to return to the idea stage and only keep the broad strokes.
@@lollybowser yeah true
In my opinion I think I’m a Alternate timeline food fight would’ve kept the original animation and changed the story and lore itself, and would’ve been a bigger franchise along side toy story and rack it wrelph but sadly we don’t get that it’s kinda really sad to see this animation is not shown in this movie, like look at their movements and expressions I wanna see this version than what we got
It’s so surreal to see constantly switching from human to dog.
The Super Cheap sign pointing right at Cheesel (Voiced by director Larry Kasanoff.) Is brilliant.
@michaelbullen3104 god this movies history is so fascinating. Even more than the movie itself
the edible hitting him intermittently
@@michaelbullen3104 Hey! What's your source on most of this? There are not "multiple cuts" of Foodfight, there's only this one and the final movie. The movie was nowhere near 60% complete by 2003, it was just 7 minutes of animation, a few tests and a shit ton of assets. If I had to guess, you're citing the IGN article from 2003, which was just flat out wrong, likely because they got the information from Threshold which was kinda notorious for lying about the movie's progress. I mean in 2010 Larry said that the movie needs "another year to be finished" even though it was finished two years before he even said that. Larry also did not delete the footage, see my pinned comment. As for "several different animation softwares," they only used two, that being Lightwave from 2000-2005 and Maya from 2005-2008.
He got that dog on him (sometimes)
4:23 There's something hysterical about how the big reveal of Dex's club is accompanied by a song roasting him for failing his past job as a detective. Way to rub it in lmfao.
That's what I was thinking LOL and the fact that when Lady X is revealed they literally play the other half of the song that practically spoils her motives 😭 the music choices in this pitch reel are so funny
@@Idamensional agreed
I mean it’s prolly just a placeholder in this instance if I had to guess, though it does raise questions on where the full version of the song could be
@@SuperbbConnor64 I kinda want it to be found now lol
@@DaimosZCall the lost music portion of the Lost Media community on this
5:50 Overworked Threshold employee when Larry tells them to scrap already finished animation to make it "10% more awesome"
Lmfao both versions of this scene look like a n u s
FR 😭
2:34 This sequence is genuinely really great. Animation has actual weight to it and it manages to make the scene feel intense while still being funny.
IS it though? Great for some like… Amateur animation studio sure but this type of crap does not belong in a theatrical film shown on a big screen. Nothing about this version is better than the other version aside from animation expression and lighting.
For the time perhaps, but that sequence to me looks like something a 3D animation student would make. Bit too much reliance on arm movements while the rest of the body is not as expressive.
Mfs in the replies can't appreciate genuinely great animation
@@michaelbullen3104it's still beter than the final release.
@@migueon22 it's just not great. It's alright. I gave genuine criticism.
05:50 this man's random mic peak is the funniest fucking thing oh my God
It definitely has that awkward late 90s/early 2000s animation that looks more like a video game cutscene. It’s still better than the final product though as at least the characters actually have facial expressions and move like people. If this movie came out back in 2002, I think it would have gained a cult following and be remembered as a nostalgic fever dream by gen Z.
Yeah this is way better than the crappy motion capture
It would have been way more forgiving if it was 2002. CGI hadn't blown up yet. I think only Toy Story, A Bug's Life, Antz, Toy Story 2, Shrek, Monsters Inc.,Jimmy Neutron and Ice Age had come out at that point. It could have been one of the first ones from the early era and had a decent cult following had it come out as planned.
@@mr.goodboi2780what about Jonah: A VeggieTales Movie, The Magic Roundabout/Doogal, Hoodwinked, and Barnyard?
4:24 I’m not ashamed to admit that this is kind of a bop.
Seriously, the song is great and the singer's voice makes it enjoyable.
@@CarlosJoaquin-216the melody sounds familiar
@@Cookiecrips_05It’s a parody of the song “Copacabana” by Barry Manilow
@@Cookiecrips_05It’s a play on the song “Copacabana (At the Copa)” by Barry Manilow, which is a bop itself so great choice on the movie’s part!
@@Cookiecrips_05it’s based on a actual song. It’s a cover of Copacabana
5:42 She has personality, not like the other version
That one is a real woman, the other one looked like a poorly made Barbie.
@@CarlosJoaquin-216 Yeah you right, If that movie hadn't been "sabotaged" if I had fallen in love with that woman
The eyebrows make her pretterier
@@candycane1744 Very
@@candycane1744 ikr she’s genuinely so beautiful in the original version
I’m deeply disappointed and frustrated at Lawrence Kasanoff (the director of Foodfight), this original version looked infinitely better than the disastrous version that we eventually got. For the animation being aged, it had a lot of life and it was very cartoony like something out of Looney Tunes and Tex Avery. When I heard that this version was supposedly stolen in a “act of corporate espionage,” I instantly called bullshit on those claims.
I think he was disappointed with the animation and scrapped the footage himself, and then he forced the animation team to go full motion capture. This guy doesn’t understand squat about motion capture, especially when it was in the 90s and 2000s. The whole process was very complex and very intricate to pull off, and that goes for early CG shows that did it like that like for example Donkey Kong Country.
I’m glad that the internet has made a complete mockery out of him for his mishandling of his “magnum opus,” and he deserves every single insult thrown at him.
4:15 BAD TOUCH, BAD TOUCH, STRANGER DANGER
Jokes aside, that line was delivered way better than in the final product.
IZZAT A POOP RAT??? IZZAT A F***ING POOP RAT???
You think Larry is going to get Me Too'd?
This movie should've been renamed:
Bowling alley screens when you get a strike: The movie
It probably would have been better if they did that instead actually
3:50 - So THAT'S where the crew member grabbed the shot for their portfolio!
Still have no idea why they ditched this and went with the soulless motion capture instead. These early scenes actually look pretty impressive for the time. Love the squish and stretch style.
It's because Larry, the director of the movie, had no idea how animation truly worked. He did motion capture because it was basically "animation" but with humans he could direct which he was more skilled in as that was his field of work.
Thats insane that this was found, I thought this would be lost media forever
6:13 “At the copa, copabanana, where co-“
Hits hard🔥🔥
I think he's about to say cookies.
@@billybarnett9518 Same, in the work print you can here “cookies”
It's nice hearing more of the Copabanana song parody.
It’s kind of a bop. I wanna hear the whole thing
The plane crash and Cheasel scenes sync up almost perfectly to the final version's audio. That's probably the closest we can get to the 2002 version of Foodfight.
3:43 Surprised the cheese wheesel was a character so early on, I taught he was added as a fuck you too Cheeto's dropping their lisence
He was originally a cleaning chemical mascot. He wasn't changed to Cheasel Weasel till around 2005 if I remember correctly.
@@ZiggyCashmereSo that’s why he looks like a turd with a smiley face
I think he was meant to be the comic relief character, they also created Polar Penguin despite being able to use the Kids Cuisine penguin.
This trailer taught me that he's supposed to be a mascot for cheese. He looks so god damn gross. It makes sense for him to be a cleaning mascot, kinda like the Mucinex blob. But cheese? You know what's gonna sell me some cheese? A poop rat.
Foodfight has got to have the most fascinating production history I have ever seen.
1:33 I could never have imagined in my life seeing a frog with a crown farting on welcome to the jungle... life is full of surprises 😅
Damn, that entire Daredevil Dan sequence was actually watchable, dare I say competent
This actually looks good , HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN, WE COULDVE HAD SOMETHING GOOD.
I know right, to bad that dumbass kasnoff ruined the movie
"good", the story would have still been really incomprehensible
And the animation is still kind of bad, just not horrible
@@jesusramirezromo2037 Lighting looks really nice though, better than in Toy Story. The final movie lighting is worse than in Toy Story from the 90s which is why I brought it up.
But yeah, the plot is the movie's biggest problem, not the animation.
The creator have a sindrome or something and he just liked the horrible body capture animation
I think the movie would have been ok if nothing bad happened to it
That scream at 2:58.
Og triggered green screen sound
For anyone wondering, it's been called the Howie Scream.
Howie Scream
that chester cheeto motorcycle scene did not have to go that fucking hard 🔥
This animation is better than the final release
Hearing the snippets of the Copa-banana song gives me hope we might get the full song without SFX someday. It has no right being so good but it still deserves to be released damn it ToT
Same here!
I wonder if this is all they had after all those years lol
I'd imagine more animation was done but this is all that went through lighting and rendering so they have something to show investors.
But this is just a guess really.
probably around 11 minutes in total (counting unfinished/unrendered animation), but not much. enough that it was probably on the drives, but not enough to be 60%.
Y’know, this movie could’ve been decent. Not great, not a masterpiece. Just decent.
It would be good or ok
Honestly it would still be seen as crap, might be an unfair comparison but Monsters Inc. came out just before this in 2001 and was better in every way same with Shrek. Again perhaps an unfair comparison as those were pretty big budget movies but at best it would have a cult following of people marveling at how bad it is but it's a masterpiece compared to the actual finished version hilarious to say @photonegativecupheadxd6406
What's even more crazier there is a lost game
not really lost more likely to have never been published because the movie was never published
5:49 The screaming of the fire breathing tiki guy sounds like someone getting dunked in acid
That’s what they did to his actor
OH WOW! This looks so great, even nostalgic to some degree. Oh, what could it have been!
2:58 this needs to be a meme
Definitely.
4:44 I do like the small interaction between Dex and that gun guy (what is he)
Ant Acid!
5:52 the investors when shown the good animation
Along with the asstastic excuse for a storyboard
Ok but I legit like the Copacabana cover
I can't believe they found it and to tell the truth it doesn't look so bad compared to the crap we received, there are funny expressions here and at least they blink, but in the final version with that motion capture animation it looked ugly and strange and when they made those faces it looked horrible but oh well, that's life.
4:15 "Bad touch! Bad touch! Stranger danger!" - JonTron
foodfight lost media being found was NOT on my 2024 bingo card
the scene with brand X entering somehow baffles me. like the lighting during the close-up shot compared to what we got?
5:43 for anyone who needs the stamp
2:55 Love how Daredevil Dan's teeth clip through his mouth here.
3:48 why Is the animating so fluid,smooth and cartonish here?
Can you imagine the foodfight recobbled cut? It would be better than the final film.
That’s like comparing a car that got wrecked to one that exploded.
@@jaketucker2559Rather, a car that was not finished with a poorly manufactured one.
Blameitonjorge is gonna love this.
LSuperSonicQ too.
Animat too!
6:06 what is that nightmare fuel on the bottom left i need to know that mascot
That is Jet Pack Jeffery!
I love how the internet brings people together like this! This will definitely be material for CZcamsrs too make vids on. Remember, fame isn't important. This comment is an example of being in the moment
5:49 THAT. SOUND.
This footage was good treat for the weekend
Imagine this being the only piece of animation that survives in the future
You know an animated movie is good when they have "Bad To The Bone" and "Welcome To The Jungle". (Megamind ftw)
Too bad we cant have these songs in the final results
It's shocking to look at this and realize that certain things are stupid in the release version only due to the studio changing one detail that fucks the scene.
The one that jumps out to me is the reporter trying to interview Dex at the club. In the release version, it's a Toucan with boobies that hovers around like she has antigravity. In the original cut, we can see the reporter is a Bumblebee lady, so it makes sense for her to be floating around like a bee.
Subtle shit like that may not bee immediately apparent but people do subconsciously pick up on them. The more there are, the more it starts to grate against your psyche. That shits jarring enough without the movie looking ghoulish from beginning to end.
the comedic timing of many scenes was lost in translation as well
There also appears to be something attached to the soda bottle Dex is riding, unlike in the released version where the bottle can just fly in mid air.
If the production wasn’t such a mess Foodfight probably would’ve been watchable.
I just like the fact that I finally get to see these characters.... You know... Animated and actually look like they have life put into them
Animation looks 100 times better with emotion and better movement
This movie's models and animations looked horrendous but there's something about the lighting and colors that I really like here
These earlier versions of the modern are honestly WORSE in my opinion
I would kill to have all my farts to be introduced by "Welcome to the jungle" like that frog character
Interesting to note there are some shots from the trailer that are different or not seen here
This isn’t the full demo reel, this is just most of the stuff that was in there.
4:24 I not gonna lie, this is an great song
I find it very fitting that Kasanoff plays a weasel
Man imagine if they had a director Who understood how animation works and a better script because the idea of the film is actually pretty good and might have had potential
the squash and stretch is actually really impressive, especially for the time in a pre cloudy with a chance of meetballs world
0:39 Bad to the bone
Music used in:
- Terminator 2: Judgement day
- Megamind
- The parent Trap
- Un gallo con muchos huevos
Also in Christine.
Larry Kasanoff robbed us of something that could've been great. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying FoodFight would've been the next Citizen Kane, but I do think that if this movie was animated the way it was in the demo reels and it came out in '03 or '06, it at least would've been remembered fondly by the kids who watched it on early morning Cartoon Network reruns while they were sick at home on a school day.
idk how the hell this looks better the final version of the film
It may not look that great, but sure does look a LOT better than the final product.
5:28
The fact I think this animation is great 😭
The designs for the characters are way less creepier in this rough draft than in the final product.
its interesting how the animation still kinda sucks even in this early version. a lot of rookie 3d animator mistakes. contorting the models to get that exaggerated squash and stretch when the rigs can't handle it, key frames bring timed out poorly (plus general key frame issues causing some parts of the character models to jitter and jump to different positions unnaturally), a lot of movement for the sake of movement with no intention behind it, random lack of follow through and moving holds, blah blah blah other animation technicalities, et cetera. though on the flip side, a couple of little moments here and there throughout this compilation have pretty decent character acting that understand the basic principles of animation so it's not all bad. a lot of these animation tests give off college animation student level quality. for a student level? its pretty decent overall. for a feature film pitch? rough. especially considering by the time this was made, other new animated movies made by feature film inexperienced studios like blue sky with ice age or dna productions with jimmy neutron were coming out (jimmy neutron was also animated in lightwave). with the character animation in those films being way better than this. maybe the animation would have improved with a higher budget if these test reels ever got a decent company investing, but animation aside, this idea is just lame and the writing is awkward. this probably would've been a flop even if the original reels never got stolen.
I think it also suffered due to the director, he made them animate over and over again with vague things like "Make it more awesome."
Still I feel like if nothing else the movie would have had that vague nostalgic early 2000s CGI charm things like Jimmy Neutron or Hoodwinked have
Where it’s kinda crappy but it has vibes
If that makes any sense
youre right about all the technical stuff, but the original reels were never "stolen". production was simply restarted with everything being redone from scratch using motion capture, and the theft story is all but confirmed to have been bullshit. this 6 minutes of footage is more or less everything that ever existed of the early version- they made a 7 minute sizzle reel to impress investors and convince them to help fund the project, switching to mocap a while after
there's a workprint of the full movie from 2005 you can find on this same channel which was shown to investors as well and consists mostly of storyboards (some photoshopped together using 3D renders, some hand-drawn) with the animation from the sizzle reel also being used in it as a placeholder: czcams.com/video/1sman2uX-I4/video.htmlsi=hLxB01G2iDmooqgM
Idk I don't necessarily think the idea was that bad, sure it would've never been a good movie but I feel like it could've had the potential to become this little cult classic charming kids movie if it just had a more competent director and better writing but unfortunately that isn't the reality we live in
Ur not wrong tho I really don't think this original version would've done well regardless and the slightly better non motion capture animation was not gonna hide the bad story bad characters and bad dialogue
@@TiffanyAmber01 oh wow, had no idea the theft story turned out to be BS. that's crazy. i gotta check this workprint out!!
This somehow looks leagues better than the final film
Something tells me from the way he voiced the weasel that Kassanoff REALLY liked the Skeksis in Dark Crystal, specifically The Chamberlain
It's a shame because you can kinda get a glimpse on what could have been here, and while I'm sure the movie wouldn't have been anything more than okay, still feels kind of sad. Some of the animation here (for the time in 2001/02) is actually decent, especially the airplane scene with the squirrel at 1:40. There's a cool snappy cartoon nature that no one had gotten right yet at the time in CGI and from what I see where he beats the gator and pops in and out of the plane would have been revolutionary at that point, and set Threshold apart from Pixar and DreamWorks in terms of style.
It's a whole mess but even in messes like this you still wonder what the alternate reality would have been like had it happened.
4:40 mannnm we missed out on this
Kasonoff realy had to fuck up a good movie, who agree?
I mean, it was probably doomed from the start but I love the old non mo-capped animation
I agree
He is incompetent as he is despicable.
Was that a minions reference?
Lmao this wouldn’t have been a good movie either way it looks like major GARBAGE
These scenes take too long to animate! If it was motion capture, we could get them done nice and quick!
i did the math, if they had 3 animators working roughly at the same time, roughly the same style, and were each making 10 minutes of footage per 8 months (created by 2000-2002, 3 years) then it would result to:
- 30 mins of footage in 3 years
- movie being released in mid-late 2008
- animation taking 8 years to complete, reaching the same time the merch came out.
so not only if there was better workflow and conditions, would have the movie come out sooner, it would've also looked far more superior than larry's weird perfectionism-failurism attempt at mocap. this is all ofcourse in peak condition, it would've perhaps taken longer, or have still released in 2012, at which point it would've looked very outdated, but even then, in 2008 or 2012 it still had potential as a dvd movie.
Kasonoff is the kind of person to go to a fancy restaurant only to be disgusted when he realizes they don't serve fast food.
So much better animation, but the animation of Leonard driving out of his parking space is pretty incorrect, because he is supposed to reversing straight out and then steering right and shift to drive, just saying, the reel overall is still great
this is so early 2000's, i love it.
It really is crazy how think how fascinating to see this when the movie we have is the way it is. This movie could have worked if they had a real director and producer.
As much as I will give some credit to the better animation, I think this film would still have been bad in the sense of its story, and would have faded into obscurity because it wouldn’t have been as memorable as it is in its release state in 2012. HOWEVER, because of its abominable animation, is why the film is still remembered and talked about today
Why does this look better than the final film
Who sung the copa cobanana theme in the trailer? Also I love how even the singer doesn't know what an xobite is? Brand x. Xobite. Bite?
Michael Lloyd
@@ZiggyCashmere hes a good singer. Sad his song wasn't played In the actual movie.
@@ElvusmiwHe was one of the singers on "Fire In The Skies" czcams.com/users/shorts5-bzwoIBSJQ
So the animation just went from bad to worse basically
Its a mixed bag of quality. It's clear some things are more finished than others. Though after seeing this footage, they really should have overhauled Dan's design or even scrapped him." His photo on the side of the plane is passable at best, but his model is an absolute disaster.
the Copa Bananas song is unironically a bop, very catchy
I even kinda like it more than the original
Wow, if they kept this more fluid animation and add more texture and shading in some scenes, this movie might be passable to watch. I mean it may not make a difference in the story so that won’t help make it a better film but atleast it be less of an eyesore 😅
I wonder what happens when somebody breaks in and sees this at night
4:49 this kinda made me chuckle, makes me wish we had the actual film.
If you made a video of First Draft vs Finished product and put this as Finished product and the actual Finished product as first draft someone who hasn't seen the movie would believe that no question it had so much of a regression in quality it's amazing how you can go from the bottom to the even lower
Why couldn't we have got this instead I tell you the animation is so much better then the freakish movement in the final
Thank you for that, mate!
Just remember: We might have gotten a better-animated feature had things not really gone to Hell, but since Lawrence Kasanoff was still the director, the film still would’ve been shit.
why did they get rid of the squash and stretch? Im like amazed by the lack of floatiness and unnecessary limb flailing.
i can't believe that after 22 years, there's ACTUAL footage of the original movie from 2002.
The movie would still suck even with this early animation concept, but it still would’ve been great animation for its time
I genuinely hope someday the parts of the movie that they finished will be released, it looks so much better than what we have now.
This is all that was finished. This is it. There isn't more to find besides maybe 45 seconds.
Interesting how you can see the sponsors who dropped out. It definitely added to the cost overruns that they had to redo their scenes.
Is anyone gonna mention how gorgeous Lady X looks in this version? Like holy smokes is she stunning in this ver damn-
ok bro you sound like ur getting a boner by just looking at the character design
It's not... outstanding, but it's leagues better than the final product ended up being. And it's still great animation and better looking models, Dex actually looks somewhat endearing on the character design aspect when his model allows him to actually emote and isn't constantly stuck on "agonizing grimace of pain". And the scene with Lady X (especially the close up on her eyes) actually gives her the sultry air the final product completely lacked.