The reason for me that Silver is so good is because of his mere humanity. He is only a man, imperfect and complex, but he was never evil. Just at a crossroads.
You never truly discover who Silver is or where he came from. And yet they do something incredible with Silver regarding his prosthetics. In that moment when Jim asks him about them, he pauses, frowns, looks at his metal hand and mumbles, “You give up a few things, chasing a dream.” And that’s it. That implication in fact gives you a far deeper understanding of who Silver is than a full exposition of his past would have done. It doesn’t matter where he got his wounds. It only matters that he refuses to talk about it. Maybe it’s so traumatic that he can’t put it into words. Maybe he can’t talk because it would reveal his piratical scheme. His frown briefly implies that he wouldn’t take kindly to the question from anyone else, but because it’s Jim, he can find it in him to at least give a hint. His vague answer also reveals the extent of his obsession with the treasure. He’s so obsessed that he’s given up half his body in his quest for it. This is a man who “sticks to his course no matter the squalls” to the point of self-destruction. And it encapsulates the dark side of Silver’s inspirational message: Jim must learn to stick to his course, but he must also know to abandon it before it consumes him. I am baffled by the amount of storytelling and depth they were able to pack into two seconds of facial expression from this character.
I watched Black Sails a long time, and it goes about the story of John Silver and his captain before he became the Long John Silver. It shows what he has to give up and give in to chase his dream
Technically, it's the only time in a major theatrical animated feature they really committed to making one, which is surprising considering the nature of their animated movies. Though, I think Amos Slade from Fox and the Hound technically counts too.
@@kenyaholloway-reliford8213 Hmm, I have to disagree on Amos Slade. Yes, he isn't a straight up villain, and he does have a logical reason to hate Todd, since foxes are seen as pests and troublemakers. But I personally didn't find his moment of redemption to be true redemption. Unlike Silver, who overcame his own greed to save a friend, Amos only stopped because his Dog stood in his way, and refused to back off, forcing him to reconsider his act. If Copper hadn't been there, Amos would've killed Todd no question.
Even when disney go's back to redeem its villains it never trys to make them into flawed people. Instead it just trys to recontexualize all their evil as good.
"You give up a few things, chasing a dream" That quote aligned with the idea that Jim's dad left to pursue a dream of higher value than his own son is so heartbreaking to consider
Especially when you consider the fact that, when made to choose between the treasure he dreamed of and the life of some boy he had known for a short while, Silver chose Jim. It makes one worry that maybe his biological father would have chosen the treasure.
Actually, Zuko was searching for acceptance with his own father. Being his father was a dick. Being blunt but we all know it is true. Zuko without his uncle would have likely succeed in his mission to regain some amount of honor. Yet, it was his uncle that got him to question his own actions and even when he started to befriend the gang. Zuko was not evil. Just lost in a system that valued strength above everything else. Now his sister on the other hand...she had a chance for redemption...then again in the comics, which are still going on, she is on that redemption arc, sort of.
Less lack evil nature and more have standards. He scolded and admonished the creab dude for murdering the rock guy and its entirely possible his reasoning was beyond just the 'messing wtih the plan' part and was repulsed by the bastard killing needlessly. He's a pirate yes, he is there to rob them, but doesn't mean he wants to kill them, not unless he was absolutely forced to. aq1`
Isn't a villain who's not evil just an antagonist (someone who opposes the protagonist)? If an anti-hero has noble intentions and villainous methods, an anti-villain has villanous intentions and noble methods.
John Silver was never evil to begin with. Sure, he was obsessed, calculating and driven. But he's not without his humanity. He never displays any unreasonable cruelty or genuine malice. He just wanted Flint's treasure. But he was able to act above his obsession. He's not perfect. But he's far from being genuinely evil.
Anti-hero more than villain. Or villain redeemed. Maybe just an antagonist In my opinion, he saw his younger self in Jim and wanted better for him as a sort of redemption for himself as well as Jim.
@@Jim87_36 He was a situational antagonist at best. He's just driven and after a lifelong obsession. He hasn't displayed any traits bordering on sociopathy, psychopathy nor any sadistic tendencies. He has no personality disorder that one would associate with most atrocities. It's safe to say that his treasure aside, he wouldn't genuinely hurt anyone unless the situation demands it. Bones' death at the start, or at least the injuries he sustained were likely not directly inflicted Silver himself. But we have a possible suspect. Scroop. That dude is one sadistic mess. He killed Arrow, framed Jim, and tried to kill Jim. That's two possible counts of murder (if we'll count bones), falsification/tampering of evidence and attempted murder. While Silver's only known crime onscreen was mutiny and abduction. Not once did he try to kill anyone on board the legacy and even after the mutiny. We also got to see a nurturing side of the guy. He's also genuinely loved and respected by his crew. So that all speaks volumes.
Oh no, they killed this movie on purpose. They resented its production and cost, and they did NOT want to make more, even if it did end up successful. Besides the fact it was a passion project- Disney execs saw it as a loss on principle and didn't want the artists to get the win.
What sets this movie apart from most other Disney works is that it was a work of love. It wasn't just another story brought to life, the directors made this movie from their passion. Dosney sent it out to die at the box office to put them back in their place
AND SHEER DETERMINATION. Because just to create this movie - creators behind it pitched it for 10+ YEARS and "My Little Mermaid", "Alladin", "Hercules" came into being as ALL OF THEM was their "Plan B pitch". Treasure Planet is the reason for Disney's Renessance in the 90s!
Treasure Planet is so underrated and deserved so much more. Silver is an amazing villain and his and Jim's relationship is truly like no other that Disney has ever created. It is such a shame that Disney sabotaged this movie and let it flop. It could have easily been a cult classic, like it deserves to be. This movie and these characters will always have my heart.
Hate to break it to you, but cult classic is literally what this movie is/was... Cult classics are unpopular movies or box office flops that have a "cult" of fans who swear by it to the behest of everyone else.
@@scottjs5207 Not really unpopular, just not as successful as they could be. For example, Avatar: The Last Airbender was only a moderate success when it first aired and it wasn't until few years ago when Nickelodeon finally realized what a gold mine it is. But she's right. The only reason Treasure Planet flopped is because Disney made sure of it by releasing it against Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings, the most anticipated movies of 2002. Disney wanted to replicate the enormous success of Shrek by converting to 3D animation. The only reason Treasure Planet got made at all is because Roy Disney made sure the studio would keep its promise to John Musker and Ron Clements, who were promised they'd get to make the movie if Hercules was successful enough. Come to think of it, we have Roy Disney mostly to thank for Disney not becoming too corporate during the 90's since he was the one keeping Michael Eisner and Jeffrey Katzenberg in check.
@@scottjs5207 I will also add to @vetarlittorf1807 's explanation that Disney was on its way to doing away its traditional animation studio which would explain its release. You are right, cult classics are unpopular movies or box office flops, but normally we assume that the studio did everything they could to make sure the movie succeeded, but misjudged the audience's tastes and timing. It's a fair assumption that Disney did not intend for this movie to succeed considering they know better than to try and compete against Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings.......during the start of the Christmas season......they are incapable of that sort of grand misjudgment. Financial decisions aside, it might be one of the few, if not the first, artificially-created cult classic. Corporate shenanigans are fascinating, tbh.
I think it is a cult classic now, now that people have online access to it or can go back and discuss it. But back then? Yeah, back then it was forgotten before the internet picked it up. Like I barely remember seeing advertising for it leading up to and during its release.
@@onevoice2993 God....damn....such a cursed image. PLEASE MAKE IT STOP! I CAN'T GET IT OUT OF MY HEAD! Though, I am surprised at how good of a singer he is. Alright. I am accepting this image now.
Treasure Planet is an underrated Disney classic. It was announced in 2002 that a sequel, titled Treasure Planet 2, was scripted, but was eventually canceled due to the film not being successful in theaters. Silver was originally going to return in the canceled sequel Treasure Planet 2, where he would be revealed to have started a smuggling ring, and comes back to help Jim, Amelia, Doppler, and their friends defend their galaxy from a villain named Ironbeard, albeit of the sake of acquiring the new ship Ironbeard had stolen.
Silver is complicated, as most humans are. I love how he doesn’t turn from his life of crime in the end, doesn’t suddenly do a 360 and turn himself in. But meeting Jim changed him nonetheless. Great video.
it'd be a 180, a 180 is when you turn around and head in the opposite direction, a 360 means you just spin around in a full circle and keep going the way you were
@vralingfrostmere1561 ☝️ yeah, and in Sliver's case it's a 360, turning away from his pirate aspects for a moment and then reverting back to his true self as a pirate chasing a legendary treasure.
And the thing is about John Silver’s character is that he is a character that sees the reflection of himself in Jim. Which is just an amazing Villain sympathizing the main character without being evil. It’s just plain morality and kindness.
As a guy who never had a real dad, this movie always held a special place in my heart. Silver is the villain that showed me everything isn't simply black and white or good/evil. I wish Treasure Plant got the recognition it deserved when it originally released.
Take a note Disney. THIS is how you write a good antagonist give them the same goal as the hero have them be a real person an actual grounded person. This may not make them a villain but you'll have your antagonist
@@LordCrate-du8zm And for what it's worth I try to take the best Disney's ever done and let it inspire my own work I can only dream of making something as impactful and influential is Disney has throughout the decades You have to understand I wouldn't care so much if I didn't love that company's art I want to see them make great things again and not just rehash the past poorly. Wreck-It Ralph 2 was one of the worst movies I've ever seen in my entire life
To this day I don't understand why this movie was not a success, I always felt that the characters were particularly developed for the duration of the film. The character design also seems very unique.
It was on purpose to get rid of 2-D animation, Disney got greedy and wanted 3-D animation to take over. Since then, Disney has been in a decline. How ironic.
No advertisement, intentionally sending it to theaters with the worst competition imaginable (I think the first Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter were just two of the films it had to compete with), etc. Really a shame. I had to beg my dad to take me to see it in theaters because my family didn't know what the heck I was going on about, and walking past the movie posters in the theater the conversation went something like "all of these other films are showing now, but you want to see THAT? Ok..."
i think the bullet points are. it came out the same time as some other big hits like harry potter 2, spirit, lilo and stitch and ice age spiderman and resident evil. So it was just squeezed out both by other 2d movies and the new fancy 3d ones. Disney had a proprietary software that integrated 2D animation with 3d very well, but it was very expensive to use, and treasure planet used it a LOT. It also burned through a lot of budget which may have impacted its marketing money, so they couldnt advertise which was compounded by the previous statement of competition. Disney also wasnt we will say 'charitable' with its funds at the time when they were going ham with Pixar. In hindsight, it wasnt a bad business call. Pixar dominated up until elemental. There is speculation that the lead animator worked for disney a long time, and the whole time wanted to do this movie. And eventually disney agreed to let him do it, but they wanted him to stop asking, so they made it difficult for him funds wise to do the film. Again because Disney was more focused on 3D animations and could see 2d was losing public interest (at the time).
Long john Silver (Treasure Planet) is the perfect Anti-Villain for Disney, and he is the one of the few rare Disney Villains that has alot of heart in your previous videos. As a grown man who grew up without a father, I can relate to Jim since he has to deal with real serious issues of an absentee parent and abandonment. We seen him as a rebellious thrill seeker who, like many of us, is looking for an adventures and he gets in trouble most of the time. But over the course his story, he meets Silver who steps in to the a father figure role despite being captain of his pirate crew, Silver chooses his love for the cabin boy over the treasure, and teaches Jim the valuable life lessons such as taking the helm and chart your own course. And stick to it, no matter the squalls. Disney really needs to make more father-son dynamics like this one!
One of the several hundred reasons I love this movie and it’s a favorite Disney of mine. A huge reason tho 😂 Silver is undoubtedly one of my favorite Disney antagonists, he feels like one of the most real ones to ever come out of the company with him actually feeling human and complex, from his affection and inspiration towards Jim and his own personal desires portraying an internal tug of war. Such an underrated film man I swear…
Having a father just abandoning his family is very rare for a Disney movie, but a very relatable situation many people experience. That gives Jim and Silver a layered dimension to their relationship and that’s interesting as hell.
If only we had more complex Disney villains that legitimately have good relationships with the protagonist and struggle when it comes to betraying them or performing their evil plan knowing how it’s going to deeply affect their relationship with the protagonist and how the protagonist is going to see him/her from then on. The other Disney villain that had a good relationship with the protagonist is Bellweather with Judy Hopps, but then they just disregard that when Bellweather becomes a typical villain and shows sheer delight in killing Judy by drugging Nick to go savage. As forced as that twist was, it could’ve been somewhat salvaged if it remembered the relationship Bellweather and Judy had by having Bellweather more earnest in pleading Judy to join her in becoming the dominant force in the city of Zootopia, then heartbroken when she feels Judy is “betraying” her and regretful when she has no choice but to kill who was formerly her closest friend with using one of her night howlers on Nick. Even other animated films executed the twist villains with good relationships with the protagonists much better while still acknowledging the relationship the protagonist had with them. Examples I can think of are Waternoose and his relationship with Sully, Miguel and his relationship with Ernesto de la Cruz when he was convinced he was his great-great grandfather and Miles and his relationship with Uncle Aaron where you really do feel the betrayals and change in views the main characters have toward their former mentors/ father-like figures.
He’s genuinely one of my favorite Disney characters. He’s an extremely charismatic with a charming design. He makes you care about him because you know he genuinely cares about people other than himself. He’s just clouded by his greed for Flint’s trove. Also, a bit of a random thing; I feel like he gives fantastic hugs. Every time he hugs Jim, I feel the warmth coming from it.
John Silver is one of the most complex and human characters that have ever come out of Disney. The way his internal struggle is shown throughout the movie every time he encourages Jim and gives him a piece of his own wisdom truly allows the audience to understand him as a character rather than shoving it through exposition. We see the reasons behind what he does through his parallels with Jim. As part of a teenage audience at the time I feel like, unlike with other Disney characters, we can truly relate to Jim and what he is going through, and having John Silver step up as a father figure has resonated with a lot of us which makes him a very valuable character for the audience too.
Jim and John are an amazing duo, honestly. The movie as a whole is awesome (I'm a huge fan of snarky Captain Amelia, the visuals are stunning, the music is perfect...), but those two are what really made it stand out. This is really such a unique entry in the Disney catalogue. Both mains are complex in a way that few Disney characters are, and their friendship even more so. It's really fascinating to watch.
This is my all time favorite Disney movie. I relate a lot to Jim: saw myself in him and the man who raised me was a drunk old man who I am proud to call my grandpa.
Silver reminded me so much of the passing father figures I had in my early life. I don’t think any film has ever perfectly illustrated the conflicting relationship of a stand-in father figure who made selfish choices but still tried to do the right thing in the end. Truly a masterpiece that deserved more praise in its day. I’m glad it’s getting that praise now.
I think this phrase say by another legendary bad good villain summons all about Silver: "I'm bad, and that's good. I will never be good, and that's not bad. There's no one I'd rather be than me." Man I will never and I mean never be tired of Treasure Planet, the absolute mistreated Masterpiece of Walt Disney studios in the early 2000, I'm glad this movie have become a cult classic and been recognize now days as the gem that always was. John Silver and Jim been the absolute best of this film, one of the most unique interaction between a Hero and a Villain I have ever seen.
Speaking as someone from a divorced family Silver hit me hardest because he was the father Jim never had but desperately needed in his life. It's hard for me to watch the section with the song I'm Still Here comparing Jim's flashbacks and then Silver being present in his current life and not shed tears.
Silver is unlike any villain in cinema in history yes he's an anti villain but he has a good side he isn't fully the bad guy he's just someone who's more than just a. Villain he has a heart just like anyone Shakespeare once said "no monster is so cruel cannot fill a hint of guilt therefore I am no monster" he said something like that
For personal reasons this is still one of my favourite movies. I used to have it on VHS and watched it all the time when I was a kid. Even though I didn’t fully understand my emotions it still gave me comfort and honestly it still does.
Finally showing respect to one of my all time fave redeemed villains. I knew from the moment he hesitated shooting Jim as he made his escape, he was never truly a villain. He was the Father Figure that Jim needed in his life
Man I love this movie so much! I remember seeing it in theaters as a kid and ending up crying in the very end when Jim sees the Silver shape cloud. Even to this day it tugs my heartstrings. Sucks that it's Disney's fault this movie became so underrated...
It always gives me such wamrth to see people talking about Treasure Planet, it has the coolest spaceships designs I've ever seen and it was back when Disney knew how to properly experiment with the blend of 2d and 3d.
"the greatest underrated disney film ever released" was literally the only Disney movie I had growing up and I watched it dozens of times. It still holds up to my childhood love of the movie
Treasure Planet deserves more silver. One of my most favorite characters who didn't want to be a villain disney made treasure Planet fail but disney missed out on something amazing I wish the second treasure Planet that was planned to be made could be made to redeem the old movie
I agree with the points as he wants the treasure, he thinks he can be the villain to get what he wants... But his morals gets in the way proving he cares more about the kid than riches.
This version of Silver is my favorite and one of my favorite "villians" of all time. Its like he sees himself in Jim and you see a real father/son relationship develop. Somethings they both desperately needed. A young boy without a father wanting to prove himself and find buried treasure, and an old grizzled pirate looking for all the riches in the world, finding it, and realizing riches mean nothing next to the bond he creates with his adopted son, which is the riches he was looking for all along. Its quite wholesome
To me John silver is both anti villain sympathetic complex redeemable and humane villain done right far better than any modern Disney villain who is supposedly redeemable or anti-villain has both done wrong and overused too much
As I grow older, I relate more and more to Silver, and James James for losing out having a father figure, thanks to family members, so that to this day hurts more than I can put into words. And with Silver, because when I see a child, without a father figure, I feel I have to help someway, not replace a father figure, but somehow help them feel warmth of a father figure. It's weird to say, but having experienced the lost of a father figure, I know how it hurts, not having that in life, even a small father figure is better than none
Hands down my favorite Disney movie. I love the way how they touch serious subjects and show that Silver isn't just a bad guy, he's a man chasing a dream. And when he meets Jim, he gets in touch with what's really important again, and even sacrifices his dream to save him eventually. Which in return turns Jim's life around so he eventually gets into the space academy. They helped each other to become the better version of themselves.
also did any one else notice a pretty subtle detail on Jim? when he's being rebellious, he has shadows around his eyes but once he starts to change, they are gone and then permanently gone by the end.
For me, the reason that Silver works so well as a villain in Treasure Planet is because he's a near perfect counterpart of Jim. As a bright young delinquent who is trying to not screw up anymore and an older, cunning and deceptive scoundrel, they both doesn't seem much at society's eyes. Yet, they recognize eachother under both their own facades. And they are also the only 2 that trully believed in Treasure Planet being real. Not only Silver builds him up with hard work, knowledge and encoraging words, much like a mentor would, he also gives him the hardest test of all: by being the ultimate antagonist to let Jim show what he's made of. This last part is often overlooked how important it is for Jim's character development. All of this while working on his own conflicted feelings of selfish fulfilment of a lifelong dream versus his very own caring side (a side that works well with it's pet Morph, but becomes a liability when it comes to another person). Jim and Silver resonates so well because both men are antithesis of what their archetype means (Jim at the begining in the movie, Silver at the end of it).
This movie is still very possibly my favorite film I've seen. It has a few others that compete with it, but all for very different reasons. If nothing else, this movie defines my childhood.
God me and my sister CONSUMED this cassette, we know the song PERFECTLY to this day and it is still our favourite movie ever, everything in this movie is perfect and i still hate the fact that the world wasnt in kh3. Excellent analysis dude, loved it, all things i completely agree on
I think part of what makes him such a great character is that we are introduced to him as a villain. While he's constantly trying to decieve Jim, the story never tries to decieve us that he isn't who he is, instead of calls into question who he is through his internal struggles
John Silver is the most realistic depiction of a person with a goal to find wealth and glory. He is a good man underneath all the bad he has to do to get it. It shows the cost for each person he has to wrong in order to get wealth and glory (the glory of being the one to find the legendary treasure and fulfilling his dream). Showing the duality of his own personal ambition with his fatherly nature, forcing him to choose each and every step in the plan. He is the most human and realistic villain Disney has ever done, and likely will ever be done.
Since i was little, I've watched treasure planet 113 times, I used to watch it 2 or 3 times a day. I have always adored it and hold it close to my heart.
Silver is one of those things from Disney's past that they will never be able to replicate even if they tried, because let's be honest... They lack the ability to
One scene I absolutely adore takes place in the Black Hole scene. As everyone is holding onto the ship for dear life and praying that their lifelines hold out the last thing Silver does while holding Jim and himself close to one of the masts is look down at him to see if he's ok and secure before closing his eyes and awaiting what comes next. Be that a very painful end or the great relief of having made it out alive due to everyone's combined efforts. Another scene that did something similar is the scene in Bambi when Man appears in The Meadow and Bambi gets separated from his mother in all the panic as everyone flees for their lives. Bambi is equally panicked and as all seems hopeless his father, The Great Prince of The Forest, then appears and begins to lead Bambi away to safety in the treeline. But as he does this Bambi's father never truly takes his eyes completely off Bambi as he's running with him until his mother shows up. He's *always* looking back to see if Bambi is keeping up ok or if he's tripped on say a root or a large stone. And when Bambis mother arrives his eyes are forward and focused on escaping because now there's no need to look back anymore, Bambis mother has that covered. Subtle gestures of caring like these are really underrated but still quite powerful too.
One thing the movie does really well, is keeping the audience in the loop when the characters aren't. We know very early on Silver and his crew are pirates, Jim suspects at first but he has no proof and he bonds with Silver to the point he may even think the cyborg thing to be a coincidence. The pirates don't know how much Silver ACTUALLY cares for Jim, even when they suspect it, Silver plays it really well to throw them off, but then JIM thinks Silver doesn't actually care about him. All the while the character acting in the animation betrays the actual emotions and feelings they hide from the other characters, while you have all the information. Its something thats missing in a lot of movies these days, where they want you to be just as clueless as the characters. And thats fine for some stories, but having that extra context and knowing the truth they're all missing leads to tension and heartbreak where Jim and Silver end up as enemies but YOU know they both still really care about each other so you want them to talk or make up in SOME way. Its a really well crafted narrative and its an absolute shame the movie didnt do well when it came out.
The simple line that completely sells Silver for me is when asked about his cybernetics by Jim he simply replies "You lose a few things chasing a dream." So simple, so brief, but tells us so much about Silver, about what he's willing to give up in pursuit of his goals, and that once he was just like Jim, just a boy on a quest.
As a child I watched Peter Pan every single time I went to my grandparents houae. Then this movie came into my life some time after that. Silver was so much my favorite character I never saw him as a enemy, but rather a role model. He is a sweet talker and a smart a$$, tough but compassionate at times, conflicted, imperfect, we can keep going. He has morales that he holds to, so much so it causes conflict in himself. "Stick to it!" Honestly I struggle to find how else to explain him that isn't already in the video. He may be a villain in the story, but insert him in any other plot and he could be that harsh old merc taking a smoke to the guy who looks down on a brawl in a bar and breaks it up "The man's yielded and confessed his mistakes, yet you want to break the lads ribs into a stew? Thas enough now."
It's really well done that you can tell Silver sees himself in Jim. A rough lad on the wrong side of the law chasing a treasure. I feel like Silver really wanted them both to find the treasure so Jim wouldn't have to suffer the unfulfilled life he did.
Treasure Planet is my favorite animated Disney movie, and it is chiefly because of the relationship between Jim and Silver. This specific iteration of it (because in the book it's all a lie) is probably my favorite father-son dynamic in any film I've ever seen, and I don't think it's necessarily even close either.
I cried at least three times in the course of this video. This movie is underrated as hell and I'm glad that people like you and the comments section down here all give it the appreciation it deserves.
Treasure planet is the movie us guys without a dad need nowadays, not the whole "Do better, be better, your a monster, absolve for your sins" message pushed on us by the media
Anytime I play a tabletop rpg/story telling game, I steal elements from treasure planet and no one seems to get the reference. But I always get amazing feedback from my players and with the character diversity and adventure that comes from Treasure planet, it’s made for some of the most fun tabletop adventures with me and my group. What an underrated Gem of a movie
It was so funny, I made my bf watch it with me bc he hadn’t seen it and I love it and he recognized the singer of Im still here and now it’s in his playlist lmao
Silver is literally Yondu before Yondu, Theyre both space pirates, met a young boy with no father, Raised/Taught him things. Honestly the movie's story just revolves around Jim and Silver. [I decided To watch the movie after watching this, pretty good ngl 👌]
Silver is a great villain because any one of us could stoop to the the level of evil he’s fallen to. Any one of us could fall to darkness like silver has
Your intro there of "Treasure Planet is the greatest underrated Disney film ever released." Is something I have been saying for years. Such an amazing movie and I am glad it is seeing more love.
The way this movie explores the struggle of growing up and feeling like you can’t achieve anything until you take a chance and begin living the life you want to live has inspired me for years
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The reason for me that Silver is so good is because of his mere humanity. He is only a man, imperfect and complex, but he was never evil. Just at a crossroads.
Agree he was like a guy whose in the mob who doesn't want too be there but is in too deep and couldn't see a way out (Silver said as much in the film)
Silver was just the perfect anti-villain, wanting and aware of something evil but still holding heroic traits from start to finish with some dignity.
Hes nit a human though haha
@@hardasphuk7633 there's a difference between "being human or humanity" and a human
Uhhh...he happily allowed Mr. Arrow to die. I think that's the definition of evil.
Treasure Planet and Atlantis: The Lost Empire are two absolute jems that deserved more than what they got.
Yup agreed
Agreed
Don't forget The Road to El Dorado on that list.
@@Vidhurmight as well put Sinbad there too!
@@GrimReaver Haven't gotten around to watching that, thanks for reminding me!
You never truly discover who Silver is or where he came from. And yet they do something incredible with Silver regarding his prosthetics. In that moment when Jim asks him about them, he pauses, frowns, looks at his metal hand and mumbles, “You give up a few things, chasing a dream.” And that’s it.
That implication in fact gives you a far deeper understanding of who Silver is than a full exposition of his past would have done. It doesn’t matter where he got his wounds. It only matters that he refuses to talk about it. Maybe it’s so traumatic that he can’t put it into words. Maybe he can’t talk because it would reveal his piratical scheme. His frown briefly implies that he wouldn’t take kindly to the question from anyone else, but because it’s Jim, he can find it in him to at least give a hint.
His vague answer also reveals the extent of his obsession with the treasure. He’s so obsessed that he’s given up half his body in his quest for it. This is a man who “sticks to his course no matter the squalls” to the point of self-destruction. And it encapsulates the dark side of Silver’s inspirational message: Jim must learn to stick to his course, but he must also know to abandon it before it consumes him.
I am baffled by the amount of storytelling and depth they were able to pack into two seconds of facial expression from this character.
I watched Black Sails a long time, and it goes about the story of John Silver and his captain before he became the Long John Silver. It shows what he has to give up and give in to chase his dream
Well said! We were sure spoiled with great stories, and great storytellers.
The best kind of story telling in animation is done with the fewest amount of words
amazing analysis! I love this movie and every piece of thought is a real treat ❤
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I just rewatched this movie recently. One of the only times Disney's attempts at a sympathetic villain actually worked.
Technically, it's the only time in a major theatrical animated feature they really committed to making one, which is surprising considering the nature of their animated movies. Though, I think Amos Slade from Fox and the Hound technically counts too.
@@kenyaholloway-reliford8213 It could have been a major theatrical animated feature if Disney hadn't actively sabotaged it...
@@kenyaholloway-reliford8213 Hmm, I have to disagree on Amos Slade. Yes, he isn't a straight up villain, and he does have a logical reason to hate Todd, since foxes are seen as pests and troublemakers. But I personally didn't find his moment of redemption to be true redemption. Unlike Silver, who overcame his own greed to save a friend, Amos only stopped because his Dog stood in his way, and refused to back off, forcing him to reconsider his act. If Copper hadn't been there, Amos would've killed Todd no question.
Even when disney go's back to redeem its villains it never trys to make them into flawed people. Instead it just trys to recontexualize all their evil as good.
@@kenyaholloway-reliford8213he’s not really a villain though. An antagonist but not really a villain.
"You give up a few things, chasing a dream"
That quote aligned with the idea that Jim's dad left to pursue a dream of higher value than his own son is so heartbreaking to consider
Especially when you consider the fact that, when made to choose between the treasure he dreamed of and the life of some boy he had known for a short while, Silver chose Jim.
It makes one worry that maybe his biological father would have chosen the treasure.
@@kitsunekage12I like to imagine that Jim’s dad did plan to return but ended up dying at… space I guess?
Treasure Planet is criminally underrated
This movie deserve a sequel. This movie deserves more love
Yes!!!! I’ve always wanted for there to be a sequel so freaking badly since I was a child 😭😭😭.
I agree 100%. Disney should re-release it in theatres.
Please, no sequel, they wouldn't deliver 😢
@@Klufenza , it hurts to say but with their current mindset it won’t be any good at all.
This what you call "Anti-Villain". A villain that lack evil nature similar with Zuko from Avatar.
O Doofenshmirtz
They don’t lack evil nature, they just act on it less.
Actually, Zuko was searching for acceptance with his own father. Being his father was a dick. Being blunt but we all know it is true. Zuko without his uncle would have likely succeed in his mission to regain some amount of honor. Yet, it was his uncle that got him to question his own actions and even when he started to befriend the gang. Zuko was not evil. Just lost in a system that valued strength above everything else. Now his sister on the other hand...she had a chance for redemption...then again in the comics, which are still going on, she is on that redemption arc, sort of.
Less lack evil nature and more have standards.
He scolded and admonished the creab dude for murdering the rock guy and its entirely possible his reasoning was beyond just the 'messing wtih the plan' part and was repulsed by the bastard killing needlessly. He's a pirate yes, he is there to rob them, but doesn't mean he wants to kill them, not unless he was absolutely forced to. aq1`
Isn't a villain who's not evil just an antagonist (someone who opposes the protagonist)? If an anti-hero has noble intentions and villainous methods, an anti-villain has villanous intentions and noble methods.
He protects
He attacks
But most importantly.. he got that heart and dad bod.
Real asf, dudes got a paunch that only 50 years of Bud Light can do
He earned that dad bod
He protecc.
He attacc.
But most importantly,
In a way, he helped Jim get his father back.
"He might be your father, be he ain't your daddy" - Papa Smurf
John Silver was never evil to begin with. Sure, he was obsessed, calculating and driven. But he's not without his humanity. He never displays any unreasonable cruelty or genuine malice. He just wanted Flint's treasure. But he was able to act above his obsession. He's not perfect. But he's far from being genuinely evil.
Anti-hero more than villain.
Or villain redeemed. Maybe just an antagonist
In my opinion, he saw his younger self in Jim and wanted better for him as a sort of redemption for himself as well as Jim.
@@Jim87_36 He was a situational antagonist at best. He's just driven and after a lifelong obsession. He hasn't displayed any traits bordering on sociopathy, psychopathy nor any sadistic tendencies. He has no personality disorder that one would associate with most atrocities. It's safe to say that his treasure aside, he wouldn't genuinely hurt anyone unless the situation demands it. Bones' death at the start, or at least the injuries he sustained were likely not directly inflicted Silver himself. But we have a possible suspect. Scroop. That dude is one sadistic mess. He killed Arrow, framed Jim, and tried to kill Jim. That's two possible counts of murder (if we'll count bones), falsification/tampering of evidence and attempted murder. While Silver's only known crime onscreen was mutiny and abduction. Not once did he try to kill anyone on board the legacy and even after the mutiny. We also got to see a nurturing side of the guy. He's also genuinely loved and respected by his crew. So that all speaks volumes.
I tend to disagree. Silver can be very cruel and has no problem slaughtering and pillaging towns for precious goods, but he isn't heartless.
It makes me so infuriated how Disney literally sabatoged it from the start because of their own mistakes.
Oh no, they killed this movie on purpose. They resented its production and cost, and they did NOT want to make more, even if it did end up successful. Besides the fact it was a passion project- Disney execs saw it as a loss on principle and didn't want the artists to get the win.
What sets this movie apart from most other Disney works is that it was a work of love. It wasn't just another story brought to life, the directors made this movie from their passion.
Dosney sent it out to die at the box office to put them back in their place
AND SHEER DETERMINATION.
Because just to create this movie - creators behind it pitched it for 10+ YEARS and "My Little Mermaid", "Alladin", "Hercules" came into being as ALL OF THEM was their "Plan B pitch".
Treasure Planet is the reason for Disney's Renessance in the 90s!
Treasure Planet is so underrated and deserved so much more. Silver is an amazing villain and his and Jim's relationship is truly like no other that Disney has ever created. It is such a shame that Disney sabotaged this movie and let it flop. It could have easily been a cult classic, like it deserves to be. This movie and these characters will always have my heart.
Hate to break it to you, but cult classic is literally what this movie is/was... Cult classics are unpopular movies or box office flops that have a "cult" of fans who swear by it to the behest of everyone else.
I second that!
@@scottjs5207 Not really unpopular, just not as successful as they could be. For example, Avatar: The Last Airbender was only a moderate success when it first aired and it wasn't until few years ago when Nickelodeon finally realized what a gold mine it is.
But she's right. The only reason Treasure Planet flopped is because Disney made sure of it by releasing it against Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings, the most anticipated movies of 2002. Disney wanted to replicate the enormous success of Shrek by converting to 3D animation. The only reason Treasure Planet got made at all is because Roy Disney made sure the studio would keep its promise to John Musker and Ron Clements, who were promised they'd get to make the movie if Hercules was successful enough. Come to think of it, we have Roy Disney mostly to thank for Disney not becoming too corporate during the 90's since he was the one keeping Michael Eisner and Jeffrey Katzenberg in check.
@@scottjs5207 I will also add to @vetarlittorf1807 's explanation that Disney was on its way to doing away its traditional animation studio which would explain its release. You are right, cult classics are unpopular movies or box office flops, but normally we assume that the studio did everything they could to make sure the movie succeeded, but misjudged the audience's tastes and timing. It's a fair assumption that Disney did not intend for this movie to succeed considering they know better than to try and compete against Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings.......during the start of the Christmas season......they are incapable of that sort of grand misjudgment. Financial decisions aside, it might be one of the few, if not the first, artificially-created cult classic. Corporate shenanigans are fascinating, tbh.
I think it is a cult classic now, now that people have online access to it or can go back and discuss it. But back then? Yeah, back then it was forgotten before the internet picked it up. Like I barely remember seeing advertising for it leading up to and during its release.
To us he is a villian but to Jim he's the dad that steped up ❤
He may be your father, boy...but he ain't your daddy.
Silver isn't the step father, but he's the father that stepped up
Who needs Disney princesses when we have Silver👍
Unfortunately now I'm picturing Silver in a flowy dress singing "A Whole New World" while riding around on the magic carpet with Aladdin. 😂
Silver and his iconic feminine frame
@@onevoice2993 God....damn....such a cursed image. PLEASE MAKE IT STOP! I CAN'T GET IT OUT OF MY HEAD! Though, I am surprised at how good of a singer he is. Alright. I am accepting this image now.
@@Qardo I think it is a rather cute image
Treasure Planet is an underrated Disney classic.
It was announced in 2002 that a sequel, titled Treasure Planet 2, was scripted, but was eventually canceled due to the film not being successful in theaters.
Silver was originally going to return in the canceled sequel Treasure Planet 2, where he would be revealed to have started a smuggling ring, and comes back to help Jim, Amelia, Doppler, and their friends defend their galaxy from a villain named Ironbeard, albeit of the sake of acquiring the new ship Ironbeard had stolen.
Bring it back, please!!!😭😭😭
@@mikachuthunderboltz1298That sounds so cool. Unfortunately the person who voiced Silver past away
The one Disney sequel that sounds not only good, but fun.
Also the villain in the sequel was set to be voiced by Willem Dafoe
Silver is complicated, as most humans are. I love how he doesn’t turn from his life of crime in the end, doesn’t suddenly do a 360 and turn himself in. But meeting Jim changed him nonetheless.
Great video.
it'd be a 180, a 180 is when you turn around and head in the opposite direction, a 360 means you just spin around in a full circle and keep going the way you were
@vralingfrostmere1561 ☝️ yeah, and in Sliver's case it's a 360, turning away from his pirate aspects for a moment and then reverting back to his true self as a pirate chasing a legendary treasure.
@@vralingfrostmere1561ugh ping broken, see above
And the thing is about John Silver’s character is that he is a character that sees the reflection of himself in Jim. Which is just an amazing Villain sympathizing the main character without being evil. It’s just plain morality and kindness.
As a guy who never had a real dad, this movie always held a special place in my heart. Silver is the villain that showed me everything isn't simply black and white or good/evil. I wish Treasure Plant got the recognition it deserved when it originally released.
Take a note Disney. THIS is how you write a good antagonist give them the same goal as the hero have them be a real person an actual grounded person. This may not make them a villain but you'll have your antagonist
... They wrote Silver, why take notes on your own work lol.
@@LordCrate-du8zm because the people that wrote silver haven't been in the writers seat for nearly two decades. The Disney that made this move is dead
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@@LordCrate-du8zm And for what it's worth I try to take the best Disney's ever done and let it inspire my own work I can only dream of making something as impactful and influential is Disney has throughout the decades You have to understand I wouldn't care so much if I didn't love that company's art I want to see them make great things again and not just rehash the past poorly. Wreck-It Ralph 2 was one of the worst movies I've ever seen in my entire life
@@dissonanceparadiddle true
definitely a forgotten gem movie. I never understood why it didn't do amazing in the box office.
To this day I don't understand why this movie was not a success, I always felt that the characters were particularly developed for the duration of the film. The character design also seems very unique.
If I remember correctly, this came out around the same time as Harry Potter and other films, right?
There's a video somewhere on youtube where the person goes through how it was intentionally sabotaged by Disney and how they wanted it to fail.
It was on purpose to get rid of 2-D animation, Disney got greedy and wanted 3-D animation to take over.
Since then, Disney has been in a decline. How ironic.
No advertisement, intentionally sending it to theaters with the worst competition imaginable (I think the first Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter were just two of the films it had to compete with), etc.
Really a shame. I had to beg my dad to take me to see it in theaters because my family didn't know what the heck I was going on about, and walking past the movie posters in the theater the conversation went something like "all of these other films are showing now, but you want to see THAT? Ok..."
i think the bullet points are.
it came out the same time as some other big hits like harry potter 2, spirit, lilo and stitch and ice age spiderman and resident evil. So it was just squeezed out both by other 2d movies and the new fancy 3d ones.
Disney had a proprietary software that integrated 2D animation with 3d very well, but it was very expensive to use, and treasure planet used it a LOT. It also burned through a lot of budget which may have impacted its marketing money, so they couldnt advertise which was compounded by the previous statement of competition.
Disney also wasnt we will say 'charitable' with its funds at the time when they were going ham with Pixar. In hindsight, it wasnt a bad business call. Pixar dominated up until elemental.
There is speculation that the lead animator worked for disney a long time, and the whole time wanted to do this movie. And eventually disney agreed to let him do it, but they wanted him to stop asking, so they made it difficult for him funds wise to do the film. Again because Disney was more focused on 3D animations and could see 2d was losing public interest (at the time).
This is one of Disney's most unique animated villains as he's not only the one that has an arc but he truly changes for the better.
Long john Silver (Treasure Planet) is the perfect Anti-Villain for Disney, and he is the one of the few rare Disney Villains that has alot of heart in your previous videos.
As a grown man who grew up without a father, I can relate to Jim since he has to deal with real serious issues of an absentee parent and abandonment. We seen him as a rebellious thrill seeker who, like many of us, is looking for an adventures and he gets in trouble most of the time.
But over the course his story, he meets Silver who steps in to the a father figure role despite being captain of his pirate crew, Silver chooses his love for the cabin boy over the treasure, and teaches Jim the valuable life lessons such as taking the helm and chart your own course. And stick to it, no matter the squalls.
Disney really needs to make more father-son dynamics like this one!
Disney is unfortunately anti-family values nowadays
The way John is presented made him one of my favourite fictional characters ever. He’s just great. Also that arm of his is so creative I love it
One of the several hundred reasons I love this movie and it’s a favorite Disney of mine. A huge reason tho 😂 Silver is undoubtedly one of my favorite Disney antagonists, he feels like one of the most real ones to ever come out of the company with him actually feeling human and complex, from his affection and inspiration towards Jim and his own personal desires portraying an internal tug of war. Such an underrated film man I swear…
thats because is based on a full book called treasure island by robert L stevenson, its not a disney story per se.
Having a father just abandoning his family is very rare for a Disney movie, but a very relatable situation many people experience. That gives Jim and Silver a layered dimension to their relationship and that’s interesting as hell.
If only we had more complex Disney villains that legitimately have good relationships with the protagonist and struggle when it comes to betraying them or performing their evil plan knowing how it’s going to deeply affect their relationship with the protagonist and how the protagonist is going to see him/her from then on.
The other Disney villain that had a good relationship with the protagonist is Bellweather with Judy Hopps, but then they just disregard that when Bellweather becomes a typical villain and shows sheer delight in killing Judy by drugging Nick to go savage. As forced as that twist was, it could’ve been somewhat salvaged if it remembered the relationship Bellweather and Judy had by having Bellweather more earnest in pleading Judy to join her in becoming the dominant force in the city of Zootopia, then heartbroken when she feels Judy is “betraying” her and regretful when she has no choice but to kill who was formerly her closest friend with using one of her night howlers on Nick.
Even other animated films executed the twist villains with good relationships with the protagonists much better while still acknowledging the relationship the protagonist had with them. Examples I can think of are Waternoose and his relationship with Sully, Miguel and his relationship with Ernesto de la Cruz when he was convinced he was his great-great grandfather and Miles and his relationship with Uncle Aaron where you really do feel the betrayals and change in views the main characters have toward their former mentors/ father-like figures.
He’s genuinely one of my favorite Disney characters. He’s an extremely charismatic with a charming design. He makes you care about him because you know he genuinely cares about people other than himself. He’s just clouded by his greed for Flint’s trove. Also, a bit of a random thing; I feel like he gives fantastic hugs. Every time he hugs Jim, I feel the warmth coming from it.
I guess this is another reminder to watch this movie. Again. For the 20th time.
John Silver is one of the most complex and human characters that have ever come out of Disney. The way his internal struggle is shown throughout the movie every time he encourages Jim and gives him a piece of his own wisdom truly allows the audience to understand him as a character rather than shoving it through exposition. We see the reasons behind what he does through his parallels with Jim. As part of a teenage audience at the time I feel like, unlike with other Disney characters, we can truly relate to Jim and what he is going through, and having John Silver step up as a father figure has resonated with a lot of us which makes him a very valuable character for the audience too.
This movie was way underrated compared to what Disney makes now this was a master piece
Jim and John are an amazing duo, honestly. The movie as a whole is awesome (I'm a huge fan of snarky Captain Amelia, the visuals are stunning, the music is perfect...), but those two are what really made it stand out. This is really such a unique entry in the Disney catalogue. Both mains are complex in a way that few Disney characters are, and their friendship even more so. It's really fascinating to watch.
Treasure Planet is my number 1 movie. The story AND the story behind the characters is beyond good.
Imo one of the best father figures in Disney animations
I agree!!!
This is my all time favorite Disney movie. I relate a lot to Jim: saw myself in him and the man who raised me was a drunk old man who I am proud to call my grandpa.
Unpopular opinion that should be regarded as fact:
Treasure Planet is Disney's best film
Silver reminded me so much of the passing father figures I had in my early life. I don’t think any film has ever perfectly illustrated the conflicting relationship of a stand-in father figure who made selfish choices but still tried to do the right thing in the end. Truly a masterpiece that deserved more praise in its day. I’m glad it’s getting that praise now.
I think this phrase say by another legendary bad good villain summons all about Silver: "I'm bad, and that's good. I will never be good, and that's not bad. There's no one I'd rather be than me." Man I will never and I mean never be tired of Treasure Planet, the absolute mistreated Masterpiece of Walt Disney studios in the early 2000, I'm glad this movie have become a cult classic and been recognize now days as the gem that always was. John Silver and Jim been the absolute best of this film, one of the most unique interaction between a Hero and a Villain I have ever seen.
CZcams must really know that I love this movie cause I got recommended it IMMEDIATELY. The algorithm is algorithiming
Disney really needs to look back on how to make a good anti-villain/anti-hero like John Silver.
Speaking as someone from a divorced family Silver hit me hardest because he was the father Jim never had but desperately needed in his life. It's hard for me to watch the section with the song I'm Still Here comparing Jim's flashbacks and then Silver being present in his current life and not shed tears.
Silver is unlike any villain in cinema in history yes he's an anti villain but he has a good side he isn't fully the bad guy he's just someone who's more than just a. Villain he has a heart just like anyone Shakespeare once said "no monster is so cruel cannot fill a hint of guilt therefore I am no monster" he said something like that
For personal reasons this is still one of my favourite movies. I used to have it on VHS and watched it all the time when I was a kid. Even though I didn’t fully understand my emotions it still gave me comfort and honestly it still does.
Finally showing respect to one of my all time fave redeemed villains.
I knew from the moment he hesitated shooting Jim as he made his escape, he was never truly a villain.
He was the Father Figure that Jim needed in his life
Man I love this movie so much! I remember seeing it in theaters as a kid and ending up crying in the very end when Jim sees the Silver shape cloud. Even to this day it tugs my heartstrings. Sucks that it's Disney's fault this movie became so underrated...
It always gives me such wamrth to see people talking about Treasure Planet, it has the coolest spaceships designs I've ever seen and it was back when Disney knew how to properly experiment with the blend of 2d and 3d.
"the greatest underrated disney film ever released" was literally the only Disney movie I had growing up and I watched it dozens of times. It still holds up to my childhood love of the movie
Treasure Planet deserves more silver. One of my most favorite characters who didn't want to be a villain disney made treasure Planet fail but disney missed out on something amazing I wish the second treasure Planet that was planned to be made could be made to redeem the old movie
it truly a rare treasure to see a full 2d movie that tried to take advantage of 3d without giving into it.
This movie is great. I watched it several times as a kid.
That Video made me Emotional!
That was Beautiful, that made me Love this Villain.
That makes me want to Watch this Movie!
I agree with the points as he wants the treasure, he thinks he can be the villain to get what he wants... But his morals gets in the way proving he cares more about the kid than riches.
treasure planet is true Disney masterpiece its a crime that it bombed and also Glen Keane did an amazing job animating John Silver
This version of Silver is my favorite and one of my favorite "villians" of all time. Its like he sees himself in Jim and you see a real father/son relationship develop. Somethings they both desperately needed. A young boy without a father wanting to prove himself and find buried treasure, and an old grizzled pirate looking for all the riches in the world, finding it, and realizing riches mean nothing next to the bond he creates with his adopted son, which is the riches he was looking for all along. Its quite wholesome
Putting "You give up a few things chasing dreams" over the Jim chasing his father scene broke my heart
Omg a treasure planet video, I'm so excited!! This movie is incredibly underrated it's so sad :(
"Just a lifelong obsession, Jimbo, I'll get over it."
The fact that Disney stopped using Computer Cell Shading after making this film because of the cost involved is a complete travesty.
This movie helped me connect with my stepdad better and taught me it's better to be a good villain than a bad hero
To me John silver is both anti villain sympathetic complex redeemable and humane villain done right far better than any modern Disney villain who is supposedly redeemable or anti-villain has both done wrong and overused too much
As I grow older, I relate more and more to Silver, and James
James for losing out having a father figure, thanks to family members, so that to this day hurts more than I can put into words.
And with Silver, because when I see a child, without a father figure, I feel I have to help someway, not replace a father figure, but somehow help them feel warmth of a father figure. It's weird to say, but having experienced the lost of a father figure, I know how it hurts, not having that in life, even a small father figure is better than none
Hands down my favorite Disney movie. I love the way how they touch serious subjects and show that Silver isn't just a bad guy, he's a man chasing a dream.
And when he meets Jim, he gets in touch with what's really important again, and even sacrifices his dream to save him eventually.
Which in return turns Jim's life around so he eventually gets into the space academy. They helped each other to become the better version of themselves.
also did any one else notice a pretty subtle detail on Jim? when he's being rebellious, he has shadows around his eyes but once he starts to change, they are gone and then permanently gone by the end.
I love this movie so much. The relationship between silver and Jim makes me cry every time. It’s so beautiful.😢❤
Honestly, looking back, i recall when this movie came out... It is not an accident this movie is underrated. It was murdered by disney marketting.
For me, the reason that Silver works so well as a villain in Treasure Planet is because he's a near perfect counterpart of Jim. As a bright young delinquent who is trying to not screw up anymore and an older, cunning and deceptive scoundrel, they both doesn't seem much at society's eyes. Yet, they recognize eachother under both their own facades. And they are also the only 2 that trully believed in Treasure Planet being real.
Not only Silver builds him up with hard work, knowledge and encoraging words, much like a mentor would, he also gives him the hardest test of all: by being the ultimate antagonist to let Jim show what he's made of. This last part is often overlooked how important it is for Jim's character development. All of this while working on his own conflicted feelings of selfish fulfilment of a lifelong dream versus his very own caring side (a side that works well with it's pet Morph, but becomes a liability when it comes to another person).
Jim and Silver resonates so well because both men are antithesis of what their archetype means (Jim at the begining in the movie, Silver at the end of it).
This movie is still very possibly my favorite film I've seen. It has a few others that compete with it, but all for very different reasons. If nothing else, this movie defines my childhood.
God me and my sister CONSUMED this cassette, we know the song PERFECTLY to this day and it is still our favourite movie ever, everything in this movie is perfect and i still hate the fact that the world wasnt in kh3.
Excellent analysis dude, loved it, all things i completely agree on
I’ve always loved this movie as a kid, and I still do
If I ever get to request a character drawing from animator Glen Keane, it would be John Silver. I am OBSESSED with this portrayal!
I think part of what makes him such a great character is that we are introduced to him as a villain. While he's constantly trying to decieve Jim, the story never tries to decieve us that he isn't who he is, instead of calls into question who he is through his internal struggles
John Silver is the most realistic depiction of a person with a goal to find wealth and glory. He is a good man underneath all the bad he has to do to get it. It shows the cost for each person he has to wrong in order to get wealth and glory (the glory of being the one to find the legendary treasure and fulfilling his dream). Showing the duality of his own personal ambition with his fatherly nature, forcing him to choose each and every step in the plan. He is the most human and realistic villain Disney has ever done, and likely will ever be done.
Since i was little, I've watched treasure planet 113 times, I used to watch it 2 or 3 times a day. I have always adored it and hold it close to my heart.
Silver is one of those things from Disney's past that they will never be able to replicate even if they tried, because let's be honest... They lack the ability to
One scene I absolutely adore takes place in the Black Hole scene. As everyone is holding onto the ship for dear life and praying that their lifelines hold out the last thing Silver does while holding Jim and himself close to one of the masts is look down at him to see if he's ok and secure before closing his eyes and awaiting what comes next. Be that a very painful end or the great relief of having made it out alive due to everyone's combined efforts.
Another scene that did something similar is the scene in Bambi when Man appears in The Meadow and Bambi gets separated from his mother in all the panic as everyone flees for their lives. Bambi is equally panicked and as all seems hopeless his father, The Great Prince of The Forest, then appears and begins to lead Bambi away to safety in the treeline. But as he does this Bambi's father never truly takes his eyes completely off Bambi as he's running with him until his mother shows up. He's *always* looking back to see if Bambi is keeping up ok or if he's tripped on say a root or a large stone. And when Bambis mother arrives his eyes are forward and focused on escaping because now there's no need to look back anymore, Bambis mother has that covered. Subtle gestures of caring like these are really underrated but still quite powerful too.
One thing the movie does really well, is keeping the audience in the loop when the characters aren't.
We know very early on Silver and his crew are pirates, Jim suspects at first but he has no proof and he bonds with Silver to the point he may even think the cyborg thing to be a coincidence.
The pirates don't know how much Silver ACTUALLY cares for Jim, even when they suspect it, Silver plays it really well to throw them off, but then JIM thinks Silver doesn't actually care about him.
All the while the character acting in the animation betrays the actual emotions and feelings they hide from the other characters, while you have all the information.
Its something thats missing in a lot of movies these days, where they want you to be just as clueless as the characters. And thats fine for some stories, but having that extra context and knowing the truth they're all missing leads to tension and heartbreak where Jim and Silver end up as enemies but YOU know they both still really care about each other so you want them to talk or make up in SOME way.
Its a really well crafted narrative and its an absolute shame the movie didnt do well when it came out.
Well said. You just explained my ramblings while watching this great film.
The simple line that completely sells Silver for me is when asked about his cybernetics by Jim he simply replies "You lose a few things chasing a dream." So simple, so brief, but tells us so much about Silver, about what he's willing to give up in pursuit of his goals, and that once he was just like Jim, just a boy on a quest.
As a child I watched Peter Pan every single time I went to my grandparents houae. Then this movie came into my life some time after that. Silver was so much my favorite character I never saw him as a enemy, but rather a role model. He is a sweet talker and a smart a$$, tough but compassionate at times, conflicted, imperfect, we can keep going. He has morales that he holds to, so much so it causes conflict in himself. "Stick to it!" Honestly I struggle to find how else to explain him that isn't already in the video. He may be a villain in the story, but insert him in any other plot and he could be that harsh old merc taking a smoke to the guy who looks down on a brawl in a bar and breaks it up "The man's yielded and confessed his mistakes, yet you want to break the lads ribs into a stew? Thas enough now."
Any villian that is human, and relatable is a good villina. Long John Silver is a great surrogate father figure.
It's really well done that you can tell Silver sees himself in Jim.
A rough lad on the wrong side of the law chasing a treasure.
I feel like Silver really wanted them both to find the treasure so Jim wouldn't have to suffer the unfulfilled life he did.
dont care what people say, Treasure Planet is and will always be my favourite movie
Treasure Planet is my favorite animated Disney movie, and it is chiefly because of the relationship between Jim and Silver. This specific iteration of it (because in the book it's all a lie) is probably my favorite father-son dynamic in any film I've ever seen, and I don't think it's necessarily even close either.
I cried at least three times in the course of this video. This movie is underrated as hell and I'm glad that people like you and the comments section down here all give it the appreciation it deserves.
Treasure planet is the movie us guys without a dad need nowadays, not the whole "Do better, be better, your a monster, absolve for your sins" message pushed on us by the media
If it wasn’t for Mulan this would be my favorite Disney movie, I love Treasure Planet
Anytime I play a tabletop rpg/story telling game, I steal elements from treasure planet and no one seems to get the reference. But I always get amazing feedback from my players and with the character diversity and adventure that comes from Treasure planet, it’s made for some of the most fun tabletop adventures with me and my group. What an underrated Gem of a movie
It was so funny, I made my bf watch it with me bc he hadn’t seen it and I love it and he recognized the singer of Im still here and now it’s in his playlist lmao
science/space fantasy is such an underrated genre. mixing two amazing genres will do that imo
So glad to see support for this film.
another cool thing with it is that the shadow around jims eyes slowly fades. Until at the end where his eyes are clear of the shadow
Silver is literally Yondu before Yondu, Theyre both space pirates, met a young boy with no father, Raised/Taught him things. Honestly the movie's story just revolves around Jim and Silver. [I decided To watch the movie after watching this, pretty good ngl 👌]
THANK YOU FOR TALKING ABOUT MY FAVORITE VILLAIN EVER.
i grew up with this film, i thought it was the best movie i had ever seen, i didnt know not alot of people just were not aware/ as fond as this film.
You've got the makings of greatness in you, but you got to take the helm and chart your own course
Silver is a great villain because any one of us could stoop to the the level of evil he’s fallen to. Any one of us could fall to darkness like silver has
thats was my favorite movie from disney when i was younger LOVED that movie ssoo much!
Your intro there of "Treasure Planet is the greatest underrated Disney film ever released." Is something I have been saying for years. Such an amazing movie and I am glad it is seeing more love.
The way this movie explores the struggle of growing up and feeling like you can’t achieve anything until you take a chance and begin living the life you want to live has inspired me for years
They don’t make movies like this anymore