Comprehensive Guide on How to Play the Soviet Union - Hoi4 - Part 1
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- This guide is every major click you are going to need to make to set yourself up for the defense of Mother Russia. Included in this guide is how to go to war economy in 1936 and how to make sure you have finished your doctrine tree by early 1942 at the latest. I would recommend watching this video and playing a test game of the soviets at the same time to save time. I know the video is long but I didn't know what else to cut. Would recommend watching at 1.25 times speed.
Part 2: Coming Jan 1/2022 (hopefully if I'm not too tired from new years eve)
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I tend to stream around 8-9 pm est most days of the week. - Hry
so hard to remember all this when just starting out. I've hired a tutor and quit my job to make time for my HOI4 studies.
Bro is gonna compete in the hoi4 sports
Same Here :D
I feel your pain, and am seriously questioning my decision to start with Russia, so easy to mess up and have things fall apart.
@@Chad6o I started with Germany, because it's a really easy country to play. There is no such thing as naval game and you don't need to worry about lack of factories and everything else. When you get used to infantry German game, you can play with Japan, who has a lot of naval game and helps you to understand this part of HOI4 better. USSR definitely isn't the best choice for a starter.
@@eoungbyul378 Thanks for the tips :)
This is top level single player gameplay. Very informative and learn a lot of little things and I have been only playing Soviets since the NSB came out. Well done man.
Just a pointer that they recently patched the fact that you can research the modern tank off the back of the 1941 advanced light tank, you can only get it after the 1943 medium or heavy now.
This is a great guide, but it can improved even further. The way: don't rush the purge, do the civs focus first and then the soviet women one, it gives stability and pp, also take the stability advisor and then by being over 50% you lose consumer goods, you can easily go to 450 factories by barbarossa by doing this
Thanks so much for this series. Super helpful!
Excellent guide, as always, thank you. I see you did design and start producing Advanced Light Tanks - would be curious to see the design (and the armour designer you use - I think it's OKMO)
Really enjoyed that guide 👍🏼
Seems all pretty logical. I’m curious what New Sheed will say he said he’ll do a guide aswell but he doesn’t recommend converting factories anymore with the new update.
By July 1941 you will have more factories if you convert versus if you had not converted. However your total production up to that point will be lower. I find the production with converting to be sufficient and don't really care about the lost early game equipment because of it.
First of thanks for the amazing guides.... I love all of your videos. You have made this one of my favorite games... I understood more on your 1 video for gemrany then I did on another 4 hours video here on youtube.
And for you guys looking for it the light designer tank is at
39:47
Purging early forces you to finish the purge asap but if you only go Zinovyevite your weekly paranoia stays the same and you can rush 5 research slots and purge AFTER. In mp where the allies do most of the research it is insignificant but in single player staying with 4 slots till 39 hurts a lot.
i disagree since you are not researching any naval techs
I've tried three or four different guides since coming back to the game after the release of BBA and I have to personally vouch - VERY strongly - for this guide. I haven't seen anything out there that comes even close in terms of beating the Axis.
This build is horrible lol wdym
@TruckerDave650 I have a guide on a google doc for no air soviet but my pc is too bad to make a CZcams video about it lol
@TruckerDave650 It isnt worth sending volunteers to them unless you are playing in vanilla where there is focuses to send volunteers to sinkiang instead (because you can get up to -8cg via decisions with them) you are on a very tight schedule as the ussr and you have to rush many things so you just do not have the time
Beating the axis is the easy part. I'm a complete noob and did it on the first try without a guide (normal difficulty), the war was over in 43. Didn't even remove Red Army debuffs. The only trick you need to beat them is to defend until they're out of manpower, and then they crumble. But beating the allies after that is where it gets hard.. I guess this guide isn't really meant for that, but plenty of good ideas here that will help I think
@@nekocekoBiHMK Agreed and make sure that you have the constant weapons in a State of Green always, so that you make sure you have good supply for your troops.
I designed an Infantry Division Template that has 20 AA guns per division.
That is helping against the German Air Superiority, as my Fighters have been copping a mauling, but the numbers are slowly increasing.
I am up to 1942 in my game.
The trick is to make Romania Communist, and also to either fully annex Finland early in the game, or if you do not fully Annex them, flip them to Communist, so they never attack you.
It narrows down the front that you have to defend against Germany.
I am up to 1942 in my game, and the Germans have captured a tile or two in Poland, but I have pushed down and have managed to capture the Key port of Memmel and Danzg.
Plus I constructed an array of angled fortifications directly adjacent to Rivers, Particularly in Lithunia etc, where the Germans also seem to push from, plus also a line intersecting the Pripet Marshes etc
By the way - with the new update making it way harder (if not impossible) to get MTs by 41, and the airplane design coming out, do you plan on making an update to this guide at any point? I REALLY want to apply the ideas here to a new run but I'm quite stumped by the two items above. (I tried the design from the most recent video and it did... okay? Idk if I just didn't have enough fighters in the air, but it never went better than yellow...)
Really solid buildup. I was really curious to see what focuses you would do and in what order. Since NSB there are so many good focuses in the soviet tree and too little time to do them all.
They could reduce the time from 70 to 35 days on some foreign policy focuses to allow the player to go down the industry path as well, since it gets locked if you don't do it.
I was curious what industry focuses you would pick. It was a pretty funny moment when I realized that the answer to that is: none.
Also, positive heroism or collective propaganda ?
The latter + the left side of the industry tree + specialize in civilian industry decision after you invite the foreign experts give a ridiculous amount of buffs to consumer goods.
Collective propaganda side feels more for industry and the positive heroism seems more for military
Nice guide mate
Nice guide!
Hey Cloak, let me ask you about some improvement points:
1. What do you think about focuses like this marxism - center - constitution and then found pcdi then 1st purge. And also build only infra in states that have high slotes until war economy. Then you can convert mils with the war economy buff and also the buffs from pcdi.
2- Instead of going commintern and spanish advisors first go secure administration and go free trade with the 120 pps. Both construction bonus and research speed? Since spanish advisors can be done whenever you want before war ends and secure admin gives also pp and you eliminate pp spending in forge thing to give cg
Wow. You start off almost EXACTLY like me. And this is the first time I've watched you.
Hi I am sry for bothering, but could you maybe put up a list, or some overview, of your focus tree? I think I mixed up some on the way and some better overview on what do to would be really beneficial. Furthermore is the lineup of the focuses going to change if its a mp game?
Getting radio earlier would help you avoid getting reinforce memed in China. The reinforcement rate bonus dramatically reduces average reinforcement time
I have 2 main criticisms wrt this guide.
First, paranoia management. It's possible to keep paranoia below 30% reliably (thus preventing random purge events from popping out, allowing you to keep Timoshenko, Voznesensky and Yagoda while avoiding administration purges) with a cost to PP and controlled purges in the navy and air force. This also means doing purge branch focuses because the paranoia reduction is necessary. As such, in my runs I completely avoid Comintern branch to rush purges, industry and agitprop.
Second, civ construction. I haven't tested this thoroughly but I don't like conversion because it's basically a marginally cheaper brand new civ. I have tried infra build and civ build until Spain and both runs netted me similar civ counts by 1939 (around 120-140). The difference is that because those extra mils were building guns from the very beginning, you are able to greed a little more for more civs, or you can free up more IC for tanks and planes. Another benefit is that more guns can be lend leased to spain in replacement of doing the mil advisor focus. I also recommend building civs 1 at a time instead of queueing up all together in one slot. This is so half-complete civs with less than 15 factories building it can get 15 civs on it, getting it completed faster and raising total factory output because the civ was completed earlier.
Spending pp to avoid the purges wikl delay appointing your high command guys by quite a bit. Not doing the comintern focus prevents you from sending military advisors to spain which gives a full doctrine worth of army xp.
Conversion results in a larger industry in the long run. By 1941 it can mean the difference of at least 15 factories.
I did a whole video on why building one at a time is pointless. You can view it here: czcams.com/video/IDXQMTQd56c/video.html
@@71Cloak if you don't spend the pp, you may randomly purge your advisors. I once had a choice to either purge Timoshenko or Zhukov. Timoshenko was already my high command, while zhukov was going to be my field marshal. Or a random event may pop out purging Voznesensky (the civ guy) in 1937 or lose 60 pp and gain paranoia. By keeping paranoia low, you can keep Yagoda as your NKVD guy. This restricts your paranoia gain to 3% max and reduces pp spent later. I agree this isn't necessarily efficient, but it reduces uncertainty. XP can be grinded any where from Finland to China so I honestly don't think stacking high command or doing comintern branch is necessary (Timoshenko will do, and Vasilevsky if needed).
Do you have a record of your civ count at 1 Jan, 1939? I'd like to have it for reference.
@@71Cloak It is true, btw this helped me a lot thx
@@71Cloak I can get more than 450 factories before Barbarossa without converting. (Basically a chinise guy in min maxed the crap out of the soviet industry and made a guide)
@@stratant.8722 i have seen the guide on reddit.com. The soviets industry has been buffed since this video. Also he did convert and got 505 factories.
Great guide. Just a couples questions :
- Do you have a list of the focus order ? Because i don't know what focus to do, when you have to wait the 170 days (again) and if you already have made the 2 focus above it. I also miss the focus when you have to help China.
- PP : Why don't get Mikail (the man who give stability bonus) early on ? Also do you have an order for PP staff ?
- Also research you have to rush industrial tech first ?
Focuses wise there are 3 things you need to do during the purge. 1. Get foreign experts, 2. Get send military advisors to Spain and 3. Send volunteers to China.
PP you need 250 to go to war economy. From there civ construction guys should provide a bigger boost to civs in the long run. I get the stability guy eventually.
Industy. You want more construction speed and more builidng slots. As well as research speed.
@@71Cloak
Is it important to win spain civil war ? You gonna not believe me, but i was so unlucky. AI friendly spain got litteraly steamrolled while i make my pushs...All my best general got the Stalin's Curse -2 attaque ect...(really). For sake, the AI is cheating because i've made some many encirclements...Even the german get encircled and they keep spaming dozen units, why this is so frustrating...
Also the same situation happen when i got the the choice to get foraign expert vs End the purge. I've followed the path in the beginning.
Also when focus, there a problem based on luck i guess. Because you finish one of the purge focus just when the Japanese Chinese war start. You do the purge, you can do the industrial plan, and focus to help chinese, what to choose ? I've rushed the focus to help chinese, when i finally get some volunteers here...The japaneses already took the cities you have to defend...(No joke, it is pointless you come too late to help ?)
@@DreamyBoy67 not really important. Sometimes the ai just gets rolled and all you can do is hope to grind some traits from the war.
Hey!
At 35:30 or so, you say that reliability of fighters doesnt matter. Can you elaborate a bit?
What about it doesnt matter?
Thanks for the great vid!
Air losses from low reliability are like 1/100 of the losses infantry would take from the same reliability. You will still lose some planes to air accidents but the number is miniscule. The advantages of having more of the other planes stats far outweigh the penalty of low reliability.
I'm glad i noticed the mistake of transport planes a lot earlier. thought i did something wrong till getting to a later part of the vid
Like the guide and its given me some different ideas to try, but question for you @71Cloak:
At 2:00 you start construction with converting mills into civs, but you are in Civ economy giving the worst debuffs for this, is it really worth doing then or when you get to war eco? or not at all?
You get a 30% debuff to conversion from civilian economy that is true but you also get a 30% debuff to civ construction so its a wash really.
I have run 4 scenarios for the soviets with the ai off to see which maximizes factory count for barb. Building infrastructure and converting down to 20 mils results in the highest factory count in july 1941. 2nd place was converting down without building infrastructure. 3rd place was building infrastructure then civs with no conversion. 4th place was no conversion no infrastructure. So converting does make sense, you can try waiting to convert but it should just slow your snow ball down a little.
@@71Cloak Thanks for the response, I thought it may work out better in the end even due to the debuff thanks to the reduced lost factories into consumer goods. However, I would wonder if although your 3rd place ended with less factories for barb, but that it had 12 or 13 mills for a couple of years which if they were on things like motorised or support could be in the end more effective.
Still thanks for running the tests! I still havent managed to get as many factories as you do by then.
@@jackwalker4990 You do end up with extra production in 1941 having not converted any factories. However, you are producing outdated equipment with them and I haven't needed the extra equipment from those factories at any point.
@@71Cloak I think the early implementation of War Economy is why converting is better. Once you lose the construction malus and get the 20% boost to conversion speed, conversion leaps way ahead of construction in that first year.
Why did u went 21 width inf if u tested and 10 width were better? And what are u general thoughts on mp strats? Nice content btw, i admire your min-maxing
21 width infantry have a couple of non combat advantages over 10 widths. They are cheaper per combat width, require less army experience to create from existing templates, and they require less generals and field marshals. Also I'm going to post a video sometime today that shows 10 widths outside of controlled environments actually take more losses than other divisions.
Multiplayer meta is still kind of up in the air. If your going to play France or USSR and Germany is going tanks then using 21 width infantry of 10 inf 1 at with support at, eng, aa will stand a very good chance of holding. Especially if Germany cheeps out on his tanks. Otherwise, airpower is the new meta for the most part, afterwards tanks still lose the least amount of ic in the long run.
solid video for single player, I think for mp you probably overproduced on civs and not having any kind of medium tank could get you killed quickly against german mediums
I would definitely change the build up a bit for mulitplayer. I think the civ count is fine. But if I knew that german was going heavy into tanks i would go for a 22 with infantry of 10 in 2 at with support aa eng and art. Or something to that nature to substantially increqse the soft qttaxk fo the division and chanhe production accordingly.
Decreasing the civ count means you are not going to substantially out scale germany which to do so requires a larger industrial base than them.
@71Cloak Also, when did you get CAS 1? I did not see when and where you researched it on your video.... I LOVE that video, really!
You can start cas 1 whenever you have a spare slot really. I think I did it to kill time because I didn't want to pay the full ahead of time penalty for a tech. Just do it a little before when you would want cas 2 and you'll be fine.
Good video, loved it. Could you do one of these for germany, it would be really appreciated
would it be possible to post the tech and focus list? There's a few gaps in the timeline if I'm trying to do this.
Noob here: how did you get so much stuff (fighters, tanks etc) with a relatively small amount of factories assigned to them? Idk if the production efficiency mechanic changes with the DLCs (I don’t have them), but I can only get about 2000 fighters in 1941, with 20 factories assigned to fighters 2 by mid 1939, because my production efficiency takes ages to build up
Do you happen to go concentrated industry? Concentrated has a lower base Production efficiency than dispersed industry. So it out produces concentrated for the first 1-2 years of a production line.
Secondly, the higher your production efficiency cap the faster your production efficiency grows (slight speed bonus).
@@71Cloak I went with dispersed industry. I thought that the production efficiency growth was the only thing that determined how fast production efficiency grows. So basically if I have 50% production efficiency with a (e.g.) 130% efficiency cap, I’ll get to 70% efficiency faster than if I had a (e.g.) 100% efficiency cap?
Pls answer this. I have the same question. Struggled to build 2000s fighters by 41 even with 30 factories. Also taking disperse.
@@firmanseto6405 i already did. He was just restating what i had said. On top of that 30 factories is nothing. In this game I went up to 70 factories on fighters.
@@firmanseto6405 you must rush them early (1939 at most) and put more factories on them. Now i can get 3500+ in 1941 by putting 20 factories on them by January 1940, 50 factories by mid 1940 and then gradually increasing.
Remember to get American experts, efficiency growth is proportional to how high the efficiency cap is
wait why you didn't do the five yr plan is it not worth it?
Should you delay converting mils to civs until after getting war economy, because of the 30% conversion cost on civ economy? That makes the conversion more expensive than building new civs
So for the war in Manchuria are you typically sending volunteers or getting involved? I somehow ended up getting involved and Japan is kinda kicking my ass lol
How important is rushing the 5 year plan focus tree? I usually skip a bit of the non-purge Stalin focus tree to complete the 5 year plan for the nice consumer goods reduction and extra resources.
with the BBA changes to the air designer and transport planes would you still recommend to do the same things air-wise? (Which plane designs would you make? for fighters and CAS)
Also I noticed that I have to spend 120 air experience per doctrine instead of 105, is that a change in BBA, or did I mess something up?
There is a air spirit that reduces air-doctrine-cost (i think -15%) and reduces accident chance (since the national spirit soviet airforce drastically increases your accident chance this is also nice)
That's crazy I've never had the 'raid Trotsky's villa' event succeed. I subsequently almost never pick it
It seems there is a 50% chance he survives the raid.
@@tagtip Ah thank you. I imagine the subtle assassination is fixed in historical, as I've never seen it fail once.
I am confused on why you split up all your planes between different airports in the west in the beginning and also what the 22 new divisions are.
Wow you weren't lying about Spain giving up Madrid. I work on the south, they push from the North and vise verse
There’s a lot of things you are doing that I can’t see on my end. What version/DLC are you running? I can’t see certain things like “Send attache” or “Send air volunteers” I must either have an outdated version or missing DLC. It also wouldn’t let me station my aircraft in Spain (says outside of coverage)
dlc
I followed this guide almost exactly but I had a few issues. The first issue I had was that it said I didn't have enough intel to move my bombers to any airports in Spain so I ended up not being able to use any air in Spain and also the Spain AI griefed me even harder than yours did somehow so I ended up losing some divisions. Right now, my run is stopped I might restart but how come I couldn't just send my planes to Spain like you did?
Did you check the box to send air volunteers. It requires the death or dishonor dlc I think (it requires one of them). Intel plays no roll in sending air volunteers.
Winning spain isn't required it just a nice thing to do.
@@71Cloak Good to know that winning spain isn't essential but I do not have all the dlc unfortunately. I only have Waking the Tiger, Man the Guns, and La Resistance. So I guess I can't send air volunteers, oh well. Well I guess I'll continue the run anyways. One last question- is there an alternate way to grind traits for my commanders now that Spain is doomed? If not, will I be okay without them?
As you can probably tell I'm new to HOI and don't know much
It can also be worth it to build max infrastructure along the TSRR to avoid bottlenecking your supply in the inevitable war with Japan and their puppets, if you have the civs to spare. Makes the push into China substantially less painful.
What was the template for rocket artillery division? I rewatched video but couldn't find it
It was either a 9 mech/mot and 3 mot rocket artillery or 9 and 4. Either will work.
Can you please advise how you managed to get to Modern Tanks so quickly. I followed you till the German Treaty then you lost me
If you're going full SP mode, first 5 army XP goes to making a 2w template. Spam it for more volunteers, you can get 18 divs to China. I disagree on OI being the best air doctrine to win the air. SD gets more air superiority mission efficiency and agility comes 100XP sooner than OI. OI is good if you're running interception but vs the AI, you can clap their air if you have fighter 2/3 at a reasonable time. Fighter detection doesn't matter when you have 1000+ planes in an air zone or radar which you need for tanks.
For fighters, 100% get 5 range, especially for Russia air zones the range is critical for mission efficiency. Guns penalize speed/agi, not enough that guns are a penalty but they're way less valuable than range.
OI and SD have the same air superiority mission efficiency. They are both 20%. OI gives 10% ace generation while air superiority gives none. Having a ton of aces alone is a 3-5% speed and air attack bonus plus 5-10% agility. The fact that agility comes 100 xp sooner doesn't really matter. If your fighting and grinding air xp your going to blow past that before you even notice it. Air detection is important if you have less than 3000 planes in an air zone which is likely to happen when you are trying to establish air supremacy in multiple air zones. Air detection also plays a role in disrupting enemy bombers reducing the effectiveness of enemy cas. Overall, I still think OI is going to help you win air superiority more than SD in most cases. SD does more with air superiority (ignoring the air support mission efficiency bonus for OI) once you have it but not before.
5 range is not necessary when playing as russia. You own the air bases within the main air zones you are going to be fighting in. Germany 100% needs 5 range when invading russia but the opposite is not true. With only range 3 upgrades I was getting 95%+ mission efficiency in the Ukraine even when using fighters from northern belarus. When you calculate the damage of fighter 2s with max range (assuming 100% mission efficiency because of that) max engines versus fighter 2s with 3 range 5 engines 2 attack with 95% mission efficiency (it never drops below this unless there are factors that max engines wouldn't fix either) you get the following results. F2 5 eng 5 range do 23.76 damage per 1000 fighters and F2 5 eng 3 range 2 att do 24.18 damage per 1000 fighters. 24.18 increases to 25.45 with 100% mission efficiency which was commonly achieved.
So no, range is not more valuable than guns once you have enough range to ensure 100% (or close to) mission efficiency. That can be accomplished easily by 3 range upgrades on fighter 2s. Basing fighter 2s no range upgrades out of crimea gives 94.1%.
@@71Cloak Ace generation is definitely nice, especially if you're doing 10 wings. But you can also just make smaller wings and grind aces faster instead of boosting through doctrine. SD gets 5% mission experience gain and 15% extra air superiority so each plane gains XP faster and has more impact on ground combat. OI gets 20% faster training but most planes are sent into combat green (and I think your series shows that Soviet air debuff doesn't really matter, especially with the air spirit). You're totally right on both getting 20% ASME so it really comes down to aces + training vs mission experience + air superiority. I think I still pick SD.
Range isn't as necessary on the defense but it's still better than guns. Against the AI you can basically ignore the possibility of ever losing an airbase because AI is pretty braindead but vs players, that's not the case and they'll bring way more planes. Range allows you to utilize more bases to stack into a single air zone and improve your trade in that one zone. Usually Barb devolves into Axis having an overall numbers advantage but Soviet able to contest in a single zone due to better placed bases. Range just enhances the defenders advantage and potentially saves you if you unexpectedly lose a base and have to move planes to a more remote region. I don't think guns are bad, but I would rate gun upgrades about equal to reliability upgrades (which is to say, very meh). Range is also important when you counter attack and need to dominate more distant air zones before you have perfectly placed bases.
@@28lobster28 "SD gets 5% mission experience gain " yeah and OI gets 5% as well. I actually thought it was 25%, I didn't realize the other 20% was training experience. "15% extra air superiority" This has no impact on air combat whatsoever, this only impacts how much the penalty enemy ground force take when you achieve air superiority. If you have yellow air the stat is largely useless. Most people pick SD for the help in winning the air and for the 30% after having won. If you only care about winning OI will help you more. If you know your going to win (or don't have any planes of your own because of air controllers) then you go battlefield support because it gives 30% air superiority and 40% ground support (OI and SD only give 10). The ground support impacts the bonus your divisions get in combat from actively having air support.
On losing an air base. With lvl 3 range you can base your entire air force outside of the Ukraine on base surrounding the edge and still have 95.9% mission efficiency. (proof: imgur.com/a/OokqzPd) As I showed before, the math supports 95% mission efficiency and lvl 2 guns versus full mission efficiency and no guns.
Hey man, i got really lost in this guide, is the china volunteers really necessary? Also as I’m pretty new, I couldn’t figure out how to send the air volunteers there, even after checking them on the volunteer menu I couldn’t send any fighter on china’s airfield or create an air wing there, what did I do wrong? Anyway, could you comment the order of focuses I should do? That screwed me up good too
It's a Paradox's thing. You need to buy all of those dlcs
@@alexwhite3830 got it
@@Itz_just_VICTOR and about focuses - just try to do what he does step by step (play the video). His guide isnt the only way to succeed for the ussr, some people just ignore the paranoia thing until much later and focus on the building focuses but it will come to you once you win a couple of times for major countries
@@alexwhite3830 ok
I think the patchnotes said that light tank 3 into modern tanks won't be possible anymore.
Also, how is it that you possibly have 7000 guns to send the Spanish? I have no idea how to make this possible as the massive Soviet equipment deficit keeps eating up any guns I produce.
I'm pretty certain i deleted the cav at the start.
@@71Cloak Thanks.
Did you white peace with Finland because of historical reasons or was there another reason why you didn't just capitulate and puppet them?
hi, does this guide work the same for the base game?
I never saw the benefit of rocket artillery. Yes, it has 'more' breakthrough...but, 1) the 50% research bonus for mot/rocket advisor only applies to the one-time Katyusha research. Considering you need to desperately research the ENTIRE arty/aa/at tree, taking 15% on the arty advisor is better 2) Rocket arty tree is 500 base days of additonal reseatch 3) Rocket Artillery doesnt get the hardness bonus that Mot Inf/Art/AT/AA get, however truck drawn rocket artillery does (but truck drawn RA don't get the extra 30% soft attack, but the normal rocket artillery does) - never understood the difference between Rocket Artillery and Truck Drawn Rocket Artillery. Katyushas are also much more expensive than arty III and a truck (12 IC vs 7). The extra cost, extra research doesn't seem to be worth the slightly extra breakthrough (4 per battaltion) and soft attack (10). Yes, there are some small extra bonuses in Rocketry tree, but SOV can't afford that to make a difference with Germany. Maybe, after, if you want to take on the West. Now Germany, if you were wanting to get into Rockets for Strat bombing and get Jets...that might be worth it as Germany can afford the research.
20:18 is actually not so bad, you get it removed when the purge is over and it happens every time iirc.
Having done the purge many times, it one of a couple of different army, airforce, and navy penalties that can occur. This penalty cannot be removed until 1 year after finishing the purge.
Mil to civ conversion cost is now almost equal to building a new civ. At the bottom of the mouseover it says 9000 but if you look at the bar, it says 11700. Don't know if a bug or feature.
On civilian economy converting costs 30% more, unlike some other modifiers, this is directly added to it so it'll cost 11700.
Normal conversion cost is 9000
A Trotsky guide would be great
What time stamp is the tank template?
Could you possibly do a Soviet MP guide??
is there a way to rush modern tanks even harder ?
pretty good guide, although i think you should not convert right from the start due to the "consumer economy" -30% converting speed, but instead should build infra right up to the spanish civil war where you can change the economy law, besides, going for the left side of "the five year plan" is HUGE, with proper timing, you could have production V and industry V in early 1941, and a whopping amount of 450 factories total (no kidding) - but you have to also choose the "focus on civilian industry" decision from foreign expert ofc. Furthermore, reliability on Soviet plane is ESSENTIAL, since the "Soviet airforce" debuff increase your accident rates substantially, with 80% reliability, 20-30% of your air casualties alone is caused by accident already - so i dont reccommend you getting it as far down as 40%, and in operation integrity tree, you should get it down to the second last doctrine - since it gives you 20% air mission effciency -> help you win the air war even harder
So I just went back to check the save and looked at the Ukraine which is the main air zone the fighting occurred in. Air Accidents suffered over the course of the war in that air zone was 125 of the 930 total fighters lost. 125 fighters is about 5 days worth of production. Adding in all the other air zones only brings that number up to about 250-300 which is largely insignificant when I ended the war with 6400 fighter 2s in stockpile and another 5300 deployed.
If you care that much about industry bonuses just spy on a country like Bhutan. If you steal from them early and often you can get multiple 300% industry boost.
@@71Cloak There's also the issue of xp losses which essentially means you will have inferior stats versus German planes. Granted, you can outproduce AI Germany, and in MP you can count on Allied airforce tying down German airforce.
@@XinyangZhang888 i found no issues with xp losses. All of my airwings ended up at least lvl 3 or higher. Also I have tried this against the expert ai mod and it still works there. You want to put more factories on air but eben against the ais 10000 fighters I didn't have any problems holding the river line.
Reliability doesn't matter. With reliability 40% one plane will be destroyed by attritiin after 330 days of missions. That doesn't matter because you don't even expect to last it that long. Reliability is important for land units but air doesn't fight in such bad conditions.
"too tired" hahaha, jk looking forward to it!
Gotta keep it pg, don't want to make CZcams made at me.
This is a very helpful guide, though I for some reason fail to get air experience, I mean I am technically grinding, but not getting as much xp as u got, pls help with that
When you send air volunteers to Spain, you have to micromanage them. Send 200 tactical bombers, and then use them in the same air zone the nationalists are using their fighters on. You get most of your air XP from their fighters trying to shoot down your planes, not from bombing.
@@sld1776 Thank you!
Tanks are a mess. Adding a special module machine gun gives less soft attack than strapping an infantry rifle would.
We have a system where basic tanks are laughably weak but fairly priced, and later tanks are way too expensive but with weird stats haha
Didnt know you had to keep monthly going for lend lease xp. That helps; my ass just send a few grand in guns for free until now lmao
does choosing a field marshal trait reduce your xp gains? ex: i choose offensive doctrine, so i gain mountainer xp slower...?
I'm not certain. You grind slower based on gainable traits. I would assume that would include any trait that isn't something like cautious or politically connected. You should hold off on assigning traits until your done grinding unless you need them for a war right now.
How does the Trotsky branch work?
I have two problems : first the light tank to modern tank is not a thing anymore so …
And second my Spanish ai is so bad that I got encircled and lost all my six divisions…
Please help me this is so annoying
Is there any reason why the Spanish civil war hasn’t happened on my play as ussr ?
Were you on non-historical. On historical it will always happen july 36. On non-historical it can be delayed to November or even early 37.
Think it was a bug as i restarted and it worked , not that I could win it but it worked haha appreciate the tips
thanks
i had 310 factories when barb started is it good?
hello man can u do this but with medium or heavy tonks
You can, instead of rushing 1941 light tanks use the bonuses for 1940 medium/heavy tanks. Make sure to click the auto upgrade button on the free medium/heavy designs you get from the German Soviet tank treaty to save yourself some army xp. Otherwise its the same idea. You can put a little more production towards mediums instead of the different infantry equipments. But by in large it doesn't really change the build much.
Can this guide apply to multiplayer?
I probably civ greeded for multiplayer and you probably wouldn't want to do a modern tank rush. 4000 fighters also isn't enough to combat German most of the time. They will have close to 10k by Barb.
The focus order is fine, same with pp order. Starting construction is fine but you want to switch to mils earlier. Divisions aren't going to want 1 artillery, that would be better spent on tanks, use a 16 width instead.
I wish you had written the arrangement of Soviet focuses
Why converting on civ eco ? It is litteraly slower than building new factories and you want more factories to unlock 5 years plan focuses.
You could probably argue that you should build infrastructure or civs until war economy then start converting. Nut doing it this way will result in more factories by 1941 then not converting at all. Also, if you noticed, I only did one 5 year plan focus. The one required to go down to the research slot and at the point I wanted to do that focus I had enough factories.
Hi, I was just wondering what division template your motorised artillery was in this playthrough?
I see your "Spirit of the Army" cost you 30 army XP, while I play, it costs me 50. Where is the difference from?
Do you have automatic updates turned off on steam. The cost got reduced a couple of patches into 1.11.
@@71Cloak Thank you... And great video. I love your approach of the game and how you keep things down to the point!
You send more Planes than you can use in the Civilwar cause you send planes and than deletet divisions so you can send Guns
I had the "Raid Trotsky's villa" operation fail 5 times in a row
When I recorded this I had done Raid Trotsky's villa like 5 times and never failed once. Since then I have failed up to 4 times, but most of the time its first or 2nd try which is still faster than the slower option.
@@71Cloak Yep, I just had very bad rng. The raid is the optimal option when looking at the odds.
Not a fan of ceding land on purpose since that wasn't the real Soviet method, I assume you did that for the defense buffs without showing it from Order 227?
I have the opposite problem, I've literally built up my frontline so strong Germany declares then waits for me to attack because it's suicidal for them. Evidently you can stack enough manpower or have enough forts that Hitler will just air battle the Soviets.
The 42 thing is impressive but trading off the Navy if you have any dreams of enslaving the world to the Utopia of Communism is the problem I've been working on. Sometimes in my own games the Nazis match me for airpower but I see you and I both end up around the same amount of fighters. I tend to agree the debuff to the Soviet airforce isn't that bad.
Never tried light tanks with much seriousness but once we got past the 7-2 world I tended to avoid making the unhistorical divisions since the game now allows historical divisions to work.
Your fear of the purges, I dunno frankly yes if you don't care about the Navy you can pretty much avoid all of it. I've let Stalin have his way with everyone and the only one that truly is painful is the Junior Officers getting purged but even then it's still easy to hold off Germany.
I kind miss the pre NSB Germany, now that AI could fuck you up. NSB made everything far to easy against the Germans and I do find it pathetic the AI allows you to just not have a navy and never takes advantage.
Kudos to you not being a pussy and actually using MA for Russia. Zero respect for the "experts" who still try to make everything the 7-2 SP world still like Feedback, etc.
I dunno about you but I think I hate the tank designer and I dread the plane one. Honestly it felt like they found a way to make tanks cost far more than they are worth design wise, causing you to either make a much larger division than history or waiting forever for a really decent tank army to be built.
Is there any special reason to not snagg Iran early?
That's not particularly historical now is it. They didn't do that invasion until 43 if i recall correctly.
I always get to Finnish war do very well there then when Germany attacks api set the fall back line and fortify it I also have around 4.5 million troops and equipment and Germany does take around 6 months but they do end up pushing the line and it just ends up in a slow front where I can’t push and Germany can’t push but they do every once in a while and my equipment just disappears at mass form attrition even with motorized on supply hubs I just can’t push the Germans and with no equipment being gained I can’t make more divisions which I have 24 30 width 1940 mediums with motorized aa and arty (not great but usually enough to beat ai) and 72 14.4 divisions the rest is just 10 widths and I just can’t push the Germans even with small fronts using my breakthrough divisions and they seem to suffer no attrition compared to me anyone know what I’m doing, because I think I could win after a long war possibly but that would take ages and a good chance of lose.
Also it confuses me how I can barely scratch the Germans but I went threw Finnish devisions like butter.
Does stealing Tech from Bhutan still work?
No. It's been patch since BBA I believe.
am i missing something? i can only get up to 100 civs by 1939
0.14 -> 0.2 is an increase; thats a buff, not a nerf
bruh i got too micro intensive on spain, then my tanks got incurcled ALTAAAAAh
Hi ,why I have so much consumer goods as USSR, like I am spending 117 civilian factories on consumer goods and i cannot build anything, I am on war economy also since 1936.
Did you get strikes from your war support or stability being to low?
@@71Cloak well tehnically my stability was low and my war support dropped to 46% after i won spanish civil war and moved my troops to china.
@@71Cloak i did get strikes because of my war support being to low but idk how to increase stability and war support any suggestions?
@@srbenda1098 If you can do war propaganda then that will put you above 50% or if you can send an attache to china to get the 10% back. Either way will keep you above 50% war support.
@@71Cloak hmmmm, thanks, what abt stability if i have low stability what will happend?
Could I persuade you to give some general feedback on the alternate Soviet paths, specifically the Right Opposition? I consider it to be the most moral possible government for the Russians available, and it has some really interesting changes available, so I'd love your take on it.
What do you mean by moral
@@x999uuu1 Stalin is a well documented monster of a person. Trotsky was a True Believer who, imo, would have been just as brutal, as he wrote often and emphatically about how he approved of mass violence to further his goals. Many of the Right Opposition leader candidates were still opportunistic and ruthless creatures, such as Zinoviev. Bukharin appears to have been, from what I've read, the only senior Old Bolshevik who ever publicly expressed distress or remorse for the brutality of the Russian civil war, whereas the others generally maintained that their vision was worth any price in blood and their opponents deserved death and worse. That's what I mean. I think Bukharin might have been the most moral leadership candidate, especially since you can avoid civil war, so you end up saving many of Stalin's victims with that path without another horrific civil war
Center is the strongest path lol
How you get 400 factories for 1941?
I justified on Yugoslavia, conquered Czechoslovakia, Romania and Yugoslavia. Spammed fighter I, Germany declared on Czechoslovakia who was my puppet. Conquered Germany. Spammed mechanized infantry divisions with 1 tank for armor bonus; and went mobile infantry mobile warfare, completely crushed allies, blew up their entire fleet with TAC bombers and invaded USA and UK. Kill ratio: 1 million USSR, 20 million allies
Why no annex finland
Your reenforcement in China was suffering because you hadn't yet researched radio techs.
Bulding a civ while on civ industry is faster than converting, just saying
you need fighters in the long run.
I still have no clue what I’m doing
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building mills starting in 1940.. Don't try this in MP lol
Paradox please fix
Why stealing blueprints from Bhutan?
This guide not working. I did exactly the same steps and did't work. I send volunteers to Spain. No Air volunteers options. This force started a battle what never finished. Cannot break the front line, the Fascist won.
Well winning was predicated on having air superiority. Sending air volunteers does require a dlc. I think its waking the tiger.
Sometimes you win spain sometimes you lose. It doesnt matter what matter is the army xp and traits gained.
All off "bad luck" and "Why they not reinforce" because you are not research radio.
Too many civs and too few tanks. But otherwise it is pretty nice guide.
this guide is outdated, at least link a updated or make a updated version
How the fuck does this guy have 375 Factories. When I optimize for my economy i just get to around 250 o.O
I mean like 375 in 1941. Just HOW
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