Why women’s clothing sizes don’t make sense
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- Women's clothing sizes are very inconsistent. So no, it's not you. It's the women’s clothing industry.
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"It's not you, it's the industry" how to boost up women's confidence with just 6 words
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I’m your 1 thousandth like
lol i’m the one thousand one hundredth
8 words
I sort of needed to hear those words. Now when shopping i wouldn't curse my body instead the industry
The only thing worse than shopping for pants is shopping for bras
Preach
How bad is shopping for bras? I’m a dude so I’d like a perspective on this. Thanks!
@@abramdavidson988 Bad. You have to take bust and band measurements but even then some companies will still vanity size bras, so you'll get something that digs in or offers no support. And unlike badly sized pants, you can't just get a size up and wear a belt. If you don't get just the right fit and support it can cause pain and health problems.
Yea like,whenever i shop for bras i srsly see a huge diffrence between the sizes in each store,i have a B and had to take a D in a store since everything was sooo much smaller than my go to bra store,i once had to take a A in anonther store yet i still havent found my perfect fitting bra,shopping and searching for your perfect bra is like an endless road.
Also, the bigger your size, the harder it is to find the perfect fit. Even then it could hardly support you. You might as well have a corset to support you better
The day that stores start selling women's pants like men's, by labelling the length and waist, will be an absolute miracle.
lol Maya Actually uniqlo sell jeans that are labelled by the waist. They’re the only store that I trust to buy jeans from because I know that they’re going to actually fit
But women also have hip measurements that need to be accounted for. It's hard to sell a standard size.
PacSun goes by waist measurements
@Amber Green How do they do it currently then?
Agreed
Who else has never (in their life) found a pair of pants that fit them perfectly around your legs, in length, and around your hips? Because I most certainly have not. I just wear pants that are far too big for me.
Alyssa Ferreira ikr? Like its always fitting perfectly at the waist but then it gets loose once you go to the legs
I have to tailor my clothes after I buy them. I have a big butt and small waist, so I and some more buttons by were you button your pants so they will stay up.
I buy the majority of my pants at the thrift store and almost exclusively wear high waisted jeans because pants these days are kind of the worst.
for me it always fit perfectly on most part of my legs but it gets loose around my waist.
@@erroliima1
Main are too loose at the waist, but are alright on the legs
People on the internet these days:
*sees the word 'woman'*
*dislikes*
Out of 3,709 ratings on this videos 92.2% are likes and 7.8% are dislikes. Boo hoo how terrible for you.
+Isabella Price i disliked because of the lisp and the vocal fry, not because woman
Because every video that involves women always has complaining, my girlfriend is a feminist so it's not a complete off switch but it is really annoying.
A Very Kind Guy So..in your opinion women should just shut up and not complain about the problems in our lives? Yeah, you sound like a real "kind guy." Fyi...we don't just exist to be a turn on to you.
+Erica Bourland do you have any proof for your original claim?
My shirt size is S - XL, depends on the brand.
I certainly wish I was joking.
Yenny Y ugh same it’s just so incredibly inconsistent and inconvenient
Yeah u right my size range from XS to L and that's why I don't buy online cause I definitely know this is not gonna fit
Depends also on the country. Lol I myself range from small to xxl so that's even worse.
am I the only one without such differences in sizes? mine are usually xs or s, 34 or 36. if the fit is right for me, usually one of these two sizes is good on me.
Ikr mine is m-xl its soooooo annoyiiing
Honestly sometimes being a woman just wears me out.
My all the time mood honestly
Mood
Mood
Big mood
was that... a pun?
In my opinion, each store should have a size chart with measurements when you walk in, or at least a conversion chart comparing it to other brands.
That would be nice, wouldn't it.
I usually look this up online. Stores have a chart with measurements in online shops. Not perfect but useful.
Genius madlad
Most of brand shops in my country actually have, usually in dressing room. But you know, waist size may be from size S and hips size from M.
Unless brand spesific, store will have more than one retailer with different measurements.
*video observing the fact about womens clothing sizes*
*youtube comments complain about feminism*
smh video could be a woman eating a bagel and y'all would complain about feminism
+jinitron With Vox, you never know. Sometimes it's just an interesting piece of history, sometimes it's a whiny piece of feminist propaganda. Is it inaccurate to expect either possibility?
TheCabledawg1 no it shows that you're sad that you can't talk to women lul. pathetic boy
Don't be *that* guy.
+Tragic Bronson you sure hes the salty one lol? Just because something is about women, doesnt mean its feminist Bullcrap.
I'm a women and I find vanity clothing sizes ridiculous and feminism but that's off topic. If your overweight/obese it SHOULD be shameful and hard to find clothing. You should not be made to feel good for overeating & destroying your body. I'm sorry if it hurts your feelings but its the truth. Hopefully one day our society will promote healthy fit women instead.
now i know why women took so long when they're buying clothes, i'll never whine if my girlfriend took an hour from now on
agha nr Same
agha nr infact you should feel lucky she takes just an hour, more girls take a day
Abbie B I would be offended, but when I look at the clock when I'm home, I am annoyed how much time I have to waste on it.
Alena S. What is so offensive? All I said is girls do take long to shop. I should know, I am one. You are right though, being offended for no reason is a waste of time.
YESS
Me: *goes to store and tries on a size 13 jeans*
Jeans: *dont fit*
Me: *puts back on my size 9 jeans and leaves the store*
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YA lol
And this is why I don’t buy bottoms online. I have an irrational fear of pants shopping.
sounds pretty rational to me when size numbers mean nothing
You should thrift (: it’s awesome. No one actually cares about the numbers. Plus it’s better for the earth
I just look at the measurement and get wich fits me the best
Same. I have to try them on in stores.
@@squirreldude4971 They don't mean nothing, I use them to shop at most places
"we're fine as we are...and if u dont like the size, just cut it out"
Denial on overdrive.
lol
It's not really denial... it's just showing that the size number is pointless. They're not talking about your body fat percentage or your BMI or your blood pressure. Just the size of your pants.
pianosenzanima omg i read that as soon as she said it XD
That part made me smile!!!☺️
Why is so much of the comments section people saying this video is "cancerous feminism" ? This video doesn't have to do with feminism, it's about how outdated sizing charts are and why sizes vary from store to store. I'm pretty sure most of the comments didn't even watch the video.
Oh my god, it's someone who knows what they are talking about. FINALLY!!! THERE IS HOPE'
who wants to gnaw on human bones yeah these butthurt people are just really cringy , they make fun of feminists but they don't know they're even worse
The problem is that they fail to address that even men have different sizes for different clothing stores. If you can't see the white guilt and the supreme feminism in this video idk what to say.
so true
Bacon&Pizza&IceCream. This is not about clothing stores each having their own sizing system . If men also are a target for vanity size marketing we are definitely doomed. please tell me its not the case.
This is my problems that drives me insane when I buy jeans, my hips are pretty wide while my waist is thin, so finding jeans that fit perfectly is absolutely impossible, and if I do find them, I consider it a miracle
Perfectly Imperfect 368 how does ur waist have to do with ur pants size??
I've had one pair of jeans that have fit me perfectly in my entire life. All my other ones were to small or too big somewhere
@@user-bq3ng4zo3i if her waist is small, the pants fall off
American eagle is the only Jean's that fit me
Me too and when I found it...I buy 2 or 3 of the same
I gotta save this video somewhere for whenever I hear a guy complain about how long it takes a woman to shop. This. This is why.
@Nameless ok and? You're not all women.
True thaaaaaat!
Yes
@@marije8517 neither are you.
Shopping is boring who agrees
Wow, no wonder most women have to try their clothes on before they buy, I understand you a bit more now.
As a man, do you not try clothing on before you buy it? That's just impractical...
wait what? guys dont try on stuff?
I don't I take it off the mannequin lol
***** those sizes really only apply to something like a t-shirt, which would be the same for women's t-shirts as well... If you're a guy and you're looking for anything other than a t-shirt though, you should probably try it on. You usually can't tell if a pair of jeans or pants will fit well just by looking at them, or if they are the right length. If you're looking for a nice dress shirt, like a button up, or something like a suit you definitely need to try it on... Anything other than a simple t-shirt wouldn't come in simple s/m/l/xl sizes.
Wait... I'm a dude, and I try before I buy. Don't judge me!!!
WHY DON'T WE JUST USE NUMBERS THAT MEAN SOMETHING LIKE BRAS OR MEN'S PANTS. IT'S NOT IMPOSSIBLE.
Except men's pants aren't consistent either with their sizing...
Even bras aren’t consistent I have three perfect fitting bras that are all a different size.
they should just use the actual measurements.
Bra size have also gone down unfortunately
Bra sizes are definitely not consistent I'm a 26D, 24DD, 26C in another.
One time my Dad and I were in SEARS looking for a women's blazer and literally *nothing* fit my shoulders. They were fine everywhere else. We decided to go to a "32 and up" store in the same mall and when we got there the cashier said, "Well, I know the sign says we don't have a size zero, but we do. It actually might still be a bit too big for you though." That was literally the only thing we could find that actually fit.
Shopping for clothes is just plain tedious, especially when you're in the body type range where regular brands think you're too fat and brands especially made for a larger physique think you're too skinny to appeal to.
I hate having wide shoulders 😞 but I guess we have to learn to embrace them 🤷
Yes, this happens a lot in forever 21 . I would usually wear their XL but I couldn’t find anything in that size so I went to the plus size section and it was all to big.
Weird how lots of plus-size brands will still cater to M, L and XL but "straight size" stores can't bother to expand their range a tiny bit.
Leslie Alanis yay us for being between straight sizes and plus sizes 🙃😒
I want to be tall and strong and pretty and cool
i can go from a 00 to a 4 depending on the store. it’s crazy how inconsistent it is
Same.
me too I can go from size 3 to 8
Dam×...
samee
I thought this was going to address the nonsense of having a single digit for a size. As a man, I get pants based on waist and inseam measurements. Women have one number. That seems stupid. They should both have waist and inseam measurements.
Thank you!
You are 100% right (except I'd add that there also needs to be a hip measurement since hip sizes vary, and maybe a thigh measurement too). And honestly, if there is a way to do this for shirts and dresses as well, it should be done. I just don't even want a name for the size. Just give me the damn measurements. I know what my measurements are and can immediately tell if something will fit me or not once I know the measurements.
I'd also like to see the same size on different body shapes so I can tell how the clothing will fit.
Some stores do actually have two measurements or at least in the Netherlands
Tofran Bohk Sometimes they do, but then they'll vary from store to store, and you also have to look for an hour to find the EXACT pair of jeans you need.
THIS! I’m 6’1 and I wear about a 34” or 36” inseam when I can find it, which is NEVER. Most stores don’t advertise their length, but it is rarely longer than 30” or 32”. I have been looking into men’s jeans just for the length but they don’t fit as well...
It's even worse when you find something you like from overseas. You might wear an XL top in the US size, but if you buy something from China, the size ends up XXXL.
To be honest, it's surprising there are even XXXLs lmao usually the Asian sizes go XS, S, M, L, each being approximately one size smaller than the American size with the same name.
I found out that an L in China is an M in Europe and an S in the USA. So if you are an XL in the USA it's normal in China you're XXXL since that's 2 sizes up 🤔 But as long as it looks good on you, it doesn't matter what size it is
This means you are definitely overweight if you can't fit in normal clothes sizes in other countries
Well, she's overweight for using an USA XL, not for not fitting in "normal clothes sizes" in other countries, specially since China's average is pretty small and thin 🤷♀️ Are you saying a tall person that is underweight but has to use China XL is overweight? 🤔
Oh sure.
EVERY single time I need to go shop for clothes it triggers my anxiety and my self hatred.
*Ughh!! I cant fit in these pants! I need to loose my hips!* or *This shirt shows my stomach. It's unflattering.*
I hate shopping for clothes.
I used to think I was just really forgetful about my clothing size. Thrift store 6, mall 0 petite. 🙄
Yeeees. I wear the same cloths until they no longer fit or they fall apart because I hate cloths shopping so much
i hate shopping so much because of this. im a teenager and fit into any sizes from a kids small to a women’s 11 and the only thing i get out of it is dysmorphia :/
*Moral of the story "Try before you buy"*
no. Moral of the story, the fashion industry is messed up.
No no. Moral of the story "don't buy clothes", naked is the way 2 go
@@worldpeace42069 *hmm*
Not with coronavirus
@@worldpeace42069 hmmm
I think the fact that they had to reduce their sizes to make women feel better about the numbers is problematic.
Cristiana Bodnariuc it IS problematic. This way, petite women have harder times finding clothes that fit them well. And NO shopping in the kids section doesnt help because unlike kids, we have actual busts and hips.
Exactly... For example, my parents traveled from Europe to USA to visit my aunt. While mom was shopping there she saw a shirt that would suit me. She bought the smallest size available and guess what, it is still two sizes too big... And sown in a way that makes room for more than a little belly fat. According to the norm in my country, I am slim, but I'm pretty sure that I would be called 'skinny' over there and hearing comments like I'm skinny and that I'm not a "real" woman. I saw so many video clips and comments written and spoken by "real" american women that I'm wondering what is actually "normal" or "real". Because if the majority is the norm, then I probably am not normal in more ways that one...
what hard times do petite women have? Last time I checked Petite women have better clothes made and more clothes made for them more than plus sized women
I can't speak for everyone but I find that regular pants are too long/baggy in the knee while petite pants are sometimes too short and too narrow in the hips. It really depends on proportions. Some people think petite just means being slender with a smaller chest and straight hips when in reality there are many variations. I often have a hard time finding shirts that fit right because they're either too tight in the chest or too loose in the waist. Sometimes junior's clothing is too tight in the arms/shoulders when the rest of it fits correctly.
XxxlilmizzzxxX I'm 5'10 am I can't wear shorts or skirts without looking like a stripper. And it doesn't help having a big butt. Also pants never go all she way down. At least petit women have a section in stores.
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So true Caramel Cookies
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That's not saying much you know...
a million times 0 is still 0
I can’t even express how almost all my jeans and skirts are all different sizes.
RIGHT.
Didn't ask G
As a guy, I always complained when my mom insisted I had to try on my clothes before I left the store.....now I get it; because my sisters and her had to always do that....
i don't know my size, i just try and what fits is my size.
Spoopy me too
Same
SAME HERE
Spoopy me2
You all 12 year olds that shop in the kids section lol, quit the bullshit
Why do women's clothes have no pockets? I have theories, but I would like to hear others opinions.
Purse industry
Thought so! Thanks!
I´m a fashiondesign student ... I swear I will stop this !! I will include Pockets !! No Fake Pokets !! We won´t suffer anymore ... :D
DO IT MA'AM!!!!!
If you fix women's pockets, I will love you forever and only buy your clothing...
I like how mom jeans are coming back into style because it is IMPOSSIBLE to find decent fitting skinny jeans or jeggings.
I go shopping for jeans, and after four or five hours of wasting my time, I just come back home with a shirt???
Why don't women's clothes just use measurements instead of sizes. Like men's pants.
What? Womens' pants don't also use inches to define sizes?
exactly!
+carultch no, most stores use sizes like 0, 2, 4, 6, and so on. the numbers have no set correlation to measurements across the board, either
lz b That's crazy. Pants sizes are all over the place in the exact mix of waistline and inseem. A 1-dimensional scale with only a subjective arbitrary mapping makes no sense to represent it.
Also, I don't understand why the sizes are set up in a way that size zero would be a realistic size. I would expect size 0 to be so small that one of the dimensions might literally be zero.
rarely, ive seen some stores have it
Glad Forever 21 was mentioned. last time I shopped there I couldn't believe how small the sizes were.
Well they are targeted at young girls, so that kinda makes sense. Even so, I am a size xs at J. Crew and often need a medium or large at Forever 21.
Ok then buy a bigger size.. problem solved!
David Wheeler But if a woman is say a size 10, but at a certain store the sizing is really small she might not be able to buy a bigger size. There may literally not be a size there that fits her and then she'll feel like crap. The same thing happens to ladies on the smaller end of the spectrum when companies do vanity sizing. Men's sizing makes way more sense since it's often measurements for pants and such. Women need sizing that's not just arbitrary numbers. If I haven't been to a store before I don't know what size I am and then I also have to remember if I was a 4 here or a 6 there or a 14 because the sizing is all over the place.
I haven't shopped there in years...Yet, I'm far from 21 and don't shop at stores like that.
velvetbeauty07 Same here! I couldn't find anything above a size medium, and even though I usually wear a medium everywhere else it was too small for me there. Very frustrating
This, in my opinion, is why _everyone_ should know how to sew. Not just women, not just "creative people," everyone. Making your own clothes is not only super rewarding but also is cost effective, ethical, and allows you to make things to fit _you,_ not a general size that varies wildly between stores and might not even fit you well in the first place.
I really do love and enjoy sewing, but I’m also a student who has a thousand tests and quizzes to study for, and another million assignments. And sewing takes A LOT of time. Oh and before someone comes at me saying why am I on CZcams, tmrw is the only day of the week that I don’t have a test on, I’m using it as my rest day (today).
try buying dresses when youre a 2 up top and a 6/8 bottoms... thats when the real fun begins
Yesss!!!
The people that disliked the video I bet didn't even watch it. They just saw the title and that was enough for them...
Yeah a lot of people are very sexist, it's not really nice.
+Jackie Jax I think they thought it was femenazi propaganda. I doubt many people are sexist these days.
I got to 0:24 when she pronounced *Zara* in a typical "cali girl" accent and proceeded to dislike the video and stop watching.
I watched the whole video, I don't like it.
@macbeth -10/1 ratings ratio. it seems we found the fat girl with issues
This is why I can't shop online! Why can't we have men's sizes like 24X28?
Because stores make money off egos who cling to the numbers like its a drug.
This is the reason why I buy and wear jeans made for men, so much easier and they seem to last longer as well.
Sizes for men are just as random. The industry is terrible for all of us :(
some clothes stores show the waist, hip etc measurements in inches and cm so you can get a good fit
Hmm, okay, some pants might have specific measurements, but I generally only see the sizes S, M, L and so on, and they differ from brand to brand.
*looks at title*
_tell me about it_
"if you dont like the size, just cut it out" thanks, i needed that
That's crazy how people actually are impacted enough by a number on there clothes to drastically change the number of product sold
Human ego.
Well, I think "vanity", which Lynn Boorady gives as the reason why the companies lower the size numbers, gives you the wrong idea what's going on in the women's minds.
In my opinion "low self esteem and self-consciousness" would be the better phrasing. Because it's not "oh I'm so skinny (and pretty)" but rather "thank god, I might not be as fat (and ugly) as I thought" ... and it's really heartbreaking that you'd have to rely on a number printed on an item of clothing to tell you that
+MadE well said
There's also blarg! This company sizing is all off; I don't fit into their 8 (actual 8). I'm going to shop at company z cause they properly size their 8s (actually 10).
So many women don't know their measurements and go berserk on Amazon reviews because the "medium" (what they're used to ordering elsewhere) doesn't fit them even though the measurements are spot on. I can never rely on the warnings of sized large or small >.
+Munashiimaru I know my measurements and have tons of trouble buying online. My measurements dont line up with one size and it makes it difficult. I often rely on the complaints of the item to see what part was too big.
women's clothing sizes make NO sense. My clothes range from a size 10 to a size 16, depending on what i bought and where i got it from. Generally, I wear a 12 or a 14, but even that isn't always reliable.
asseater007 exactly- to be honest i sometimes prefer clothing sizes based on xs, s, m, l, etc. but often the fit isn’t right, so i’m left to decide whether i’m a size 6, 8 or 10 🤷🏻♀️
Exactly! I wear anything from size 9-13 (sometimes even 7) depending on the brand. One time I bought 2 pairs of shorts the exact same but in different colors and one of them didn’t fit.
I range from a 4-9 in jeans, and a small to large in everything else. its ridiculous
ikrrrrrr sameeeeee!!!!! I kid you not a couple weeks back I went to two stores and in store A, a size 10 wouldnt go down my chest and in store B, a size 6 was extremely loose and in the same store B another dress size 8 fit me perfectly ....like hello?????!!!!!
Same except 11-17 mostly 14.
I’m not even a woman and I still notice that different brands have different sizes
Why is it that womens clothes are in arbitrary numbers but mens clothes are nearly always in measurements?
I'm a 32 waist jeans.. not a 2 or 5 or whatever, I wonder if that also has to do with vanity..
Saying you're a 5 or whatever let's you kinda hide your real measurements, even though it seems to make shopping much harder. As a guy, I can pretty much order any clothes online, sight unseen and be confident that it will fit.. (except shoes! Ugh more dumb arbitrary numbers!)
danteelite the obesity percentage continues to rise (especially in the us) which makes the average size rise as well. so there’s more and more fat people complaining about how clothes don’t fit them so the companies started creating bigger sizes. But these same fat people didn’t like the numbers on the label so they wouldn’t buy them. So the companies changed the sizing chart so that something that’s originally 18 would be something like 14 instead to make them feel better. Which then makes them buy it cause they feel good
i’m so jealous. any time i buy anything i have to rip out the measuring tape and follow the confusing size graph and pray it works out
I dont get all the dislikes. What did she say to offend half of the viewers?
It involved women. The internet just can't handle that women exist.
I guess being edgy is cool nowadays. And why are some people talking about politics as if the video had any political agenda..
true.
+Joshua Kleiner shhh u feminazi
People always dislike videos it doesn't really matter what it is. I think in many cases they might be disliking what the video discusses and not really realise what the dislike actually reflects. You see it a lot with restaurant reviews where people give a bad rating because they accidentally spilled some food on themselves or something else that is clearly not the purpose of the rating system.
"if you don't like the size, just cut it out" APPLAUD :)
Ms pinkflipflops
accept you're gonna buy a piece and then think it's the right category and then it's too small or too big and you need to return it like two to three times and aa
Praecantetia they meant after you buy it and know it fits
As long as you don't then donate it to a thrift shop and have the next customer not know what they're getting.
I can already feel how much it's going to itch
And now you can’t return it.
Ya someone explain why my shirt is an extra large but my sweater is a small.
Same with me.
In consistent women clothing
"If you don't like the size, just cut it out of your clothes." Ha, I love it!
Hey, can anyone tell me what software they use to make those simple yet great visuals, I really would like to learn to make them.
Adobe After Effects
Thank You, Well then now I am off to search some tutorials on after effects. :)
Working with After Effects could be very hard at the beginning, but it's kinda easy as you learn more :). Don't be shocked when opening the program for the first time haha :)
Have fun! It pays well if you can get good and build up a reel. Most of my high paying gigs are in Motion Graphics .
I'm only 13, but I've already clocked 2000 hours on Adobe After Effects!
Men's pants have waist and length, why not have waist, hips, and length for women's pants?
Plus pants specifically. You need to account not only for waist but thighs and butt. which can very easily got everywhere also. Since girls don't want the straight cut jeans they want skinny jeans which are tighter and require less gap.
women's pants are also shaped different.. to show off the butt or to make us look slimmer in the thighs. so it not just size we have to worry about but shape as well. i would like if it was just set and didn't change. i would also like to see pant and jeans for men to show off the better parts of there body while also being comfy. skinny jeans can kill the boys and i rather not have my son have that problem. his legs are super slim yet muscular it hard to find pants that are comfy yet don't look baggy. he is also gifted in a area like his father... so i like it if that area be comfortable for him... i do want grand kids some day but i also want my son to look appropriate.
Seeing her cut the label made me feel so liberated. I even teared up
The fact that they didn’t use women of color doesn’t surprise me, because I can never find a pair of jeans that actually fit, but all my white friends can find jeans that fit.
The only jeans I've found that fit perfectly - both length and width - are Universal Thread by Target. I'm a size 12-14 and nearly six feet and they are the BEST jeans ever! I have twelve pairs!!!
i don’t think race really applies to jeans
Race is just the color of your skin, I don’t think it has anything to do with size. Maybe ethnicity but race just refers to a skin color. Everyone has different bodies
So making me try on endless rows of clothes that don't fit is meant to make me feel BETTER about my shape?
Susan Williams I cried once in a dressing room out of pure frustration because I tried on 4 different pairs of jeans at H&M and none of them fit (in most stores Im a size 6 or 8)
Lindsey Pruett same i also once cried in a changing room 😢
I never look at the size. I look at the garment and just eye it and decide if it would fit me and then try it on. Stop looking at the numbers!
I walked out of bluenotes after trying on 20 pairs of jeans because neither the legs or the waist fitted. The legs because they started not making any size 30 legs, and the waist because none of the jeans fitted right always to small or the big I was trying 9-10.
ikr :(
I don't see the problem with this video, pretty interesting
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+Mascarpone haha roundabouts? You mean the things that are part of the road system?
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This is way it takes me so much time shopping, because I am trying all the clothes in different sizes. After an afternoon shopping, I am just drained and exhausted.
so many comments saying that women's pants should be sized like men's. I've literally tried on 3 different pairs of pants from H&M that all said 32, and were all completely different waist size. Although the numbers make more sense, the fit and true size always changes.
No, they’re an upside down triangle 🔽 and we are an hourglass ⌛️
well that sizing system is stupid
It makes much more sense to go by actual measurements.
Keeping it abstracted lets companies not worry about needing to different patterns for different body shapes. Someone looking for 36 28 36 a lot more likely to buy something labeled "medium"/8 than something labeled 36 30 40. More likely to pass it up looking for something that "measure" right even though without knowing the exact numbers they might have thought it was good enough. At least that's my guess.
Essentially this. It's cost effective to produce 5 or so variation as opposed to 100+ slight variations.
PS. For anyone reading this understand that cloths rarely will fit you "excellently" directly off the rack, get your things tailored and you'll look 1000 times better.
+Munashiimaru so companies are lazy?
Buy a very precise fit if you want it, it is available...for a higher price.
+Lauren James Yes and its just cheaper to make an M size that covers sizes 6-8 than 36-26-38 that fits 4 out of 50 people.
I always call forever 21 forever 12 because all of their stuff runs extremely small
opencabinets or all others are just large
Sui Des no they're small
Vikings488 if you watched the video..the others just put lower size tags on the bigger ones
So they arent small they are closer to the original size
opencabinets Is that Rap Monster as your profile picture?
genius
I can literally be an extra small in some shirts and a large in other shirts depending on the brand. It’s extremely frustrating.
I never realized how much of a privilege it was to have standardized clothing sizes.
I am a medium size, generally. But the one time I went to Forever 21 it was so ridiculous. I was an extra large. I honestly don't care what label is on my clothes as long as they fit me comfortably, but going in there as an average sized girl and finding out that I was the biggest size (excluding the plus size section, which was extremely reduced and none of the clothes were actually flattering) made me feel so bad for the people that are bigger than me because honestly, those sizes just didn't make sense.
The only good side I can see to that is that girls who are very thin or petite can find clothes that fit them there, or at least I hope!
I am a very tiny girl, as I’ve been told many times. I’ve tried on clothes there and they don’t fit me either. I usually wear the smallest size at many other stores but there I found that the extra small and small were both TOO small. Keep in mind I wear a size 00 in jeans, an XS in most other things and sometimes I even have to look in the kids section as things are too big for me elsewhere! Not to mention when I did find something that actually did fit, it wasn’t flattering at all. They’re marketed towards a very specific body type, tall and very thin. Basically the “model body”, I try to avoid that place because the clothes aren’t flattering and they exclude clothes fitting to like half the population.
I had the same problem with Forever 21! When I went there for the first (and only!) time, I must've been 15 y/o and less than 100 pounds, and generally wear a XS or S, but I was a large in some of their clothes >.>
I'm sorry that you had to feel bad about your size there, but small and thin people like me also need to buy their clothes somewhere. An S or XS is too big for me in most shops, so I always go to one specific shop (not forever 21 though, their clothes are normal size from my experience) that has smaller clothes. It's really important for girls like me that shops like this exist because otherwise we had to go to the kids section and that would be pretty embarassing :/ hope you understand
Same
I remember the last time my friend and I were looking through a Forever 21, we had just happened to wander into the plus size section without realizing it. We had started talking about how it was unfair how unflattering and dull all of the plus size clothing was, while the straight size clothes were all nice and pretty. Neither of us were plus size. A little while later, I was trying on a dress I thought was cute.
I'm a relatively small person. I'm a size M in half the stores I shop in, and I'm a S in the other half. In some rare exceptions I'm in the center. S is too small, M is too baggy. Except, apparently, at Forever 21, where I had to SQUEEZE into a 0x. Not an XL, but a plus size dress. There's nothing wrong with being plus size, of course, but *I* am very much not one. The fact that a very small person such as myself had to FORCE a "very large" dress over my head felt wrong on...many levels. The fashion industry is screwed up.
A man's size 32 jeans for example is based on 32 inches around the waist. Simple. All they need to do is adopt the same for women.
Isnt that was europe does
Joe Masters I was at forever 21 recently and I saw some shorts and skirts that did just that.
Yeah, Maybe for shirts they could do inches around the bust and then inches in height.
see it doesnt work as easily for women, because most men wear their actual jeans around their hips whereas a lot of women wear their jeans around their actual waist e.g. where the belly button hits. and some women have very curvy bodies i.e. 60 cm around the waist and 100 cm around the hips, or are less curvy and have 80 cm around waist and 90 around hips. Since women mostly wear pants much more high-waisted than men it makes it really hard to find something that fits. they make it for slightly curvy women usually, so very curvy women are screwed and barely curvy women are as well. I hope that makes sense?
Joe Masters most women don't even know their waist size in inches. just sizes. they would be carrying measuring tapes in stores if they started😉
Buying jeans is hell especially boyfriend jeans or mom jeans, since they don't make a size that fits both my waist and hips/thighs, I always have to size up from 25/26( europian sizing), which would fit my waist, to a size 28/29, so they can fit my hips and thighs, which results in a huge gap on the jeans on my waist, but I usually wear a belt. Anyone know any companies that sell jeans for curvier girls/hourglass shaped girls?
I wish I knew. I have the same problem. If I get it to fit around my hips and my shoulders, it billows out at my middle. I end up altering my clothes. I also had my spouse help me measure myself and order online. Most places have pretty good return policies, and they have sizing charts with all the measurements.
sandy amiry Man you’re so lucky.... it’s even harder finding jeans in your size when you’re a twig.
Sameee, I’m a size 24 but it always gaps around my waist. A good tip to get rid of the gapping would be to add an elastic band at the back of the jeans! I do that to most of my jeans that gap!
I have the same issue, even with leggings. They used to have Levi curves but not anymore.
Have you tried American eagle?
When you’re recommended this after texting your mom about how annoying women’s clothing sizes are....
I don't like the comment that ends the video "if you don't like the size just cut it out of your clothes." The problem women have with clothing size isn't that we don't like the number that were seeing, but that we have no consistency in shopping, so things like online clothing shopping or quickly grabbing something from a store become unrealistic.
Skurz Skurz I think the majority of women think about the number… At least the ones that are around me think about the numbers
I care about the number only as far as it can tell me whether I'm getting thinner or fatter, but I hate having to try on clothes before buying them. I just want to go grab a size 8, go home, and have it fit. None of this "I bought an 8 last time I was at this store and it was fine. I still wear it. What's wrong with this new 8?" nonsense.
HATE.COM but if different numbers all mean different sizes (body shapes), what's the point of caring?
If you consider the comment in the beginning of this video about Marilyn Monroe being "size 12" or "size 6" you'll realise that women still often get judged/labelled (by men and other women as well) by their size number. Knowing that it's unreasonable doesn't make it any less depressing and harmful. Removing the physical reminder can actually help.
I get that body shaming, and judging people on their size sucks, but I think, instead of increasing the value we place on the number by trying to shrink it all the time, we should try to stop giving it so much clout. I for one know that I am fat and just want to find a damn pair of pants. Making me try on endless rows of clothes that don't fit doesn't raise my self esteem, it wastes my time. Womens clothes need more than one number, just like bras.
I bought a coat last year in a UK size 20. It ripped very quickly so I took it back to swap it for a similar one. Tried on the same style of coat from a different brand. The same fit was a UK size 14. A whole 3 sizes smaller. There is no standardisation. These numbers are exactly that. Just numbers. I have a jumper in a size 12 and a denim jacket in a 20. Arbitrary figures. If you are happy and healthy, the numbers o the insides of your clothes means nothing. Just make sure they fit properly. Don't give yourself a muffin top because you wanted to fit in a size smaller. You look better if your clothes fit better.
Kayleigh Hanna It's better to exercise and actually lose weight instead of blaming the sizing method. A beautiful body will look good with whatever number as long as it looks harmonious.
Kayleigh Hanna I've got some jeans and a top in a a size 12 and they're a bit to big but have a jacket in a size 16! The lack of standardisation in how different brands size clothes is laughable.
*thank you for this, out of all of these comments, this one is my favorite*
Kayleigh Hanna I was shopping at forever 21 anf I picked out different styles of jeans, all the same size. Some fit better, some were too big. I don't even understand how they determine the size
Zoey Danielle best comment award goes to you
The worst is online shopping, because I never know what size to order
Why? Clothing websites should have the measurements for each size on there.
Omg I always hate that they change sizes between stores
Boi this is why I wear pajamas 24/7 and men shirts
save money
live better.
Especially the men's striped shirts with boots...gives a 90's retro feel
Save money
Live better
Walmart.
😂imsorry
Save money live better walmart
Walmart.
Asda
(Sorry im in england 😂)
Shopping for jeans is the WORST. I can be a 0 or an 8!
You 10 not 0 right?
SAME! I can fit anywhere from a 0 to a 7! It’s so frustrating!
Yes, i own eur 34(F&F) and 38(Zara) size jeans, altough i am a size 36(H&M) in most places.
I can fit barely anything because im very skinny but with really long legs. To get a bigger size in length would make the width too much, and to get a smaller size in width would make the length too little.
Same Braxton Payne. Size 3/4 depending on if the store goes by even numbers or odd numbers. Or a size 28/29 if I choose to wear male pants. Shirts are extremely easy either a small or medium in either gender no matter where I shop.
I was online shopping the other day and the store had a little 'find your size' section in which you could fill in your measurements and what clothes from other stores fit your perfectly and they would show you the sizes that would fit you best for each clothing item. I was absolutely mind blown! I wish all stores could do something similar until we get better normalized sizing!
I've always dreamed about a time when everyone would have enough free time that we just design and make our own clothes, that would be a billion times better, our clothes become public and personal works of art.
Yea, as a guy, this whole measurement system boggled me, when I was young trying to buy clothing as gifts for female friends and family members.
Gift cards?
Qwerty Qaz Yea get those as well, but tend to get something a bit more imaginative for people I know well.
OH MY GOD YES. I had the same issues. I would ask my mom what size she wore, and she'd give me a list of different brands and different sizes. I thought it was her being funny like when she would write up fake grocery lists with nothing but mung beans and brussel sprouts on it just to mess with us kids. It truly makes no sense. It's like moral relativism but applied to women's clothing.
You can never go wrong with scarfs.
Tyler I have this same problem, I want t get people something personal but I don't know what they wear (size or style). And I like to buy my own stuff, I think if its a younger person or someone in their 20s, its okay.
Europe does sizing better
True
Europe does everything better.
***** +
+CZcams n Autism woah woah woah no need for that kind of hostility
We just do in inches don't we? In trousers I mean. Length - waist. eg; 32-34. Does men's clothing in the US do that?
When I go shopping I always look for if it says large, or medium cause that seems easier to me than having the numbers
mom: ok what size are you
me: um.. extra large?
mom: i mean in numbers
me: extra large
Lol thank the lord im a dude. I just get my size and almost everything in that size fits. I didnt know woman have all these weird clothing numbers. No wonder they take 2 years shopping lol
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Yeah and it's not worse. One shop I am a size 10,the other 24 (shirts) and they change so much I have to waste time figuring out what size I am. most changing rooms allow a max number of items to be taken in so if you need different sizes of the same items it takes a hell of a long time, is very annoying and time consuming.
+Scarlet Peoni Damn. Hopefully they fix it. Or magically you find the exact right size as soon as you walk in. :D
The more you know..
Purple Jelly yeah hopefully. I've thought of just getting huge clothes and using belts to save time lol
Could you please tell me why shoes are so dam expensive?
You think those children that work in the sweatshops in Vietnam to make your shoes are working for free?
+Mihai Mihai basically yes, the money doesn't go to them
My guess, marketing, and price made to appeal to people's feelings of exclusivity. Maybe it's materials if say a certain type of leather is rare or difficult to make. But when it comes to cotton canvas or nylon shoes, come on. Unless the stuff is cordura or kodra, should be cheaper.
In some countries you have still slaves...
Also, why does it cost $35 for a pair of crocs?!?!
This is exactly why I gave up on remembering my size. There is literally no point.
The thing that irks me the most is that a size 8 nowadays was WHAT WAS WANTED BACK THEN. And while sizes have changed, THEY DEMAND US TO BE THINNER AND THINNER EVERY TIME
I can hardly wear modern clothing, especially skirts and dresses because everything is so big around the waist. Even the extra smalls have a minimum waist of 24". I'm slim, but not super skinny and most clothes are too big. Vanity sizing is such a pain.
Same, nothing fits me right
Same. I have a lot of leg but not a whole lot of waist so everything fits me so... _weird._
Yeah
meme lord SOMEBODY SAID IT
Nothing fits me too! I have wider shoulders so it's either I buy base on my shoulders or my actual torso.
someone could make a fortune if it sold a "sizing chart of comparison" between different stores and/or brands of their region or nation ;) so that one can know that "The Big Store" size 5 is the same as "The lass Boutique" size 8 when they go shopping and that Levi's 4 is same as Wrangler's 7
there's a website called darkgreener which does this :D
I was at a mall the other day, looking for a nice shirt for the new semester, and maybe half of the store had a comparison chart in the change rooms
Unfortunately it's not that simple. Size will vary style to style even within a brand.
It’s a guideline, like the Pirate code, so you try on 3 outfits rather than 10.
it takes so long to find just the simplest of things. took half a day to find a shirt, pair of pants, and shoes for my band concert! the worst part is ill probably have to do it all over again next year
this is SO fascinating!! wow the facts about how the standard sizing chart came to be is really interesting
The video is interesting but shopping for men's clothes is equally inconsistent, even denim waistlines in inches are not a guarantee throughout brands, same goes for shoes.
im from the uk and i went to america. the waist sizes are also in inches but i fit a much smaller size
i have a trick for you, i was in the industry. but it only works with men. your neck is exactly half the diameter of your waste, so if u pick up a pair of folded jeans, and wrap them around your neck [without opening them up],
it will fit your neck if they are your size. try it with your favorite pants now, it works!
Space Cadet didnt work
Yeah shoes do vary a bit, but I find the main problem is that few brands have varying widths separate to the length. Forcing people with wider feet to buy shoes that are longer than they should be. And some brands are simply ridiculously narrow, so much so that I can't see how they'd fit anyone other than a lady, even though they are mens/unisex
I don't know if I'm the only one but t-shirts are also this way for me. The medium is sometimes a small without a slim fit warning. Brands like H&M make their clothing on the smaller side. Atleast with my experience.
Reactionary down votes incoming.
I don't see anything wrong with this video though, they are just stating facts...
Reactionary up votes incoming.
there's nothing wrong with the video and the ratings are very good
+Blast Uranus hold this you tried award
Norman Geinsburough Okay only watch videos about super important world news then
Thank you, this video is so great! And it was really interesting to understand where the sizing is coming from, so thanks for the research :))
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It is even worse! It doensn't even depend on the store which size you need. It is also different between trousers of the same brand AND in the same line.
Once, I bought 2 trousers from Mango. Each from the same line, only the color was different. I needed two different sizes!
In between stores/brands/trousers I shift between 36, 38 and even 40. It is ridiculous.
i heard that black clothing items tend to be smaller because of the dyeing process.
@@lepidoptery That could be an explanation, but what kind of brand wouldn't take that into account?
@@fonkelster all sorts of bras, apparently (where i actually read about this). but I'm not saying brands are terribly concerned about being consistent with sizing, they probably contract with lots of different factories. also, why would you expect a brand with inconsistent sizing to take the effect of dyeing into account for dark/black clothing...?
Sorry but regular stores do not have a size 36, 38 and 40. unless it’s sized different from the stores I’m use to why don’t you tell us what a 36,38 and 40 is because about the biggest I need is an 18w-20
@@MelB868 You're probably from the US? Our European size 36 roughly translates to size 6, 8 to 38, and size 10 is size 40 here in Europe.
This is why when I go to stores and they're like "what size are you?" I'm just like "ummmm I really don't know".
The sizes confuse me so much idek what I wear anymore either I just go in and hope for the best
"If you don't like the size... just cut it out of your clothes..."
no diets, no exercise, no guilt for eating mc'donalds everyday.
Willful ignorance
Amen lol
I wished that solved the problem of me not needing to try on 20 pairs to hopefully be able to buy 1 xD
It's called ignorance
And this is why we like wearing leggings lol
love the message at the end
3:20 "mostly malnourished women" shows picture of completely normal woman.
There's more to nourishment than calories. You can be fat and malnourished, but the point is they tend to be on the skinnier side, at least back then, so it skewed the results.
There was also a photo of a healthy woman she called "malnourished ".
You can be normal weight and malnourished you know
during my eating disorder my 'small size' was a 5. Judging nourishment from looks alone is difficult.
If the women were normal sized but nutritionally malnourished, then it's not even worth mentioning in this video. The whole point is that the data set for _sizes_ was insufficient. By saying that there was an issue in the data because the women were probably more malnourished than the normal population, then there is an implication that the sizes were skewed. Either it matters and they chose a contradicting image, or it doesn't matter at all.
They claimed that the sizes weren't representative of normal women, but didn't show a single image depicting that.
I suppose certain girls can't say Marilyn Monroe was a bigger woman now.
I mean she was pretty much average, not as skinny as some of these models are now, but definitely not a plus size
+Arian hmn yeah, if anything she would be defined as curvy. she far from overweight and she's not model skinny.
+Ashley Lawson I wouldn't even class her as curvy lol.
Ashley Lawson Yeah which is good, some of these models are decidedly underweight, which is not a good thing
Yeah I wonder what the truth is as I've seen a lot of things claiming she was a standard size 16.
Shopping for jeans is really hard work like when you walk into a store you have to try or check every pair of jeans to find your size it's really tiring
Also thanks for the video cause i usually get stressed out about the size thing
Thank you for addressing this issue to the public and raise awareness on the inconsistencies of size chart used for women's clothing.
So people saying that Marilyn Monroe was not very skinny but still a beauty ideal and sex symbol are exaggerating because she really was quite slim?
She was considered slim for the time period
TooUnlucky is right, she was considered slim back then. Most male models back then has quite a lot of bodyfat or not ripped enough for our *high standard* of modeling today.
Half a century from now, being skinny fat will be considered obese.
no she still wasn't very slim since she was at least a size 6-8 while most models now are at the most a size 2, but usually a 0. So while she still wasn't as big as a size 12 she was still way bigger than modern models.
I think the keyword here is 'modern' ... models back than still had pretty "normal" bodies compared to what we see today
That whole narrative is from the 90s where "heroin chic" along the lines of Kate Moss was "in". Compared to that Marilyn Monroe was "not very skinny" as she had curves, still slender though! Even by today's standards a 6 or 8 isn't "skinny", it's slim, but curvy body types are quite fashionable right now (look at Katey Perry, Kim Kardashian, Nicki Minaj etc) so I don't think anyone's trying to seriously make the point that she was "bigger" anymore.
Most times, I will not find my size in stores. I remember not even a decade ago, shopping in stores where I was a size 3. I have not taken a single pound, I have not lost a single pound either, I am a constant 105lbs. If I try to wear a size 3 now, I literally float in it. I now have to wear 0 or even 00 in some stores. People keep looking at me saying "Oh it's so easy for you to buy clothes, all the stores are made for you." I beg to differ. More often than not, I have to shop in the kids section because everything is too big for me. At some point, I started questioning myself. Am I starving myself? Am I losing weight and not realizing it? Am I becoming anorexic and not seeing it? Until I took a pair of jeans I owned for 10 years, stating "Size 3" and compared to my 00 jeans and they were the exact same size, they fit the same way on me, even though it said they were different sizes. Worst part... They both came from the same store. Different time period, different size. Same store. I have been struggling with my weight for a long period of time. I always thought I was too thin, not curvy enough and slowly the stores started engraving that thought in my mind, making me believe it was true. Now I don't see the numbers the same way I used to. People tell me I shouldn't complain for being so skinny, but it brings a load of problems too, you know. I always have comments like "Eat a sandwich" or "God I wish I had your body" and I'm sitting there, looking at my scrawny arms and anemia and I just tell them "Let's swap. I'll give you my skinny problems and I'll take your perfectly normal body. Here, take my anemia. Take my hypoglycemia. Take my underweight ass and do something with it. I'll just take your body and go buy all the clothes I wish I could have." It usually makes them mad because people don't understand how frustrating it is. I am completely aware that there is a serious problem with our society becoming bigger and bigger, and I know I am "lucky" to be naturally skinny. But it doesn't take away the problems I deal with every single day.
Cynnie Wild
Not to be rude, but have you checked with your doctor about those things you're experiencing? I'm sure you have, but it just seems odd that you would have those problems if your body is naturally supposed to be that weight.
Cynnie Wild PREACH sister!! I am not slender, but I have friends who are and the struggle is very real for them too.
Wow I have this exact problem. I'm also anemic, but mine comes from my immune system being really wacky. I'm a high school junior and instead of just being skinny I labeled myself "scrawny" because that's what people told me i was. Now that I've finally learned about my health problems and started eating better, I feel a lot healthier than I did, but now I struggle with the fear that I'll look different because I've gained some weight. It's not even 10 lbs but I guess it's just been beat into my head that I have to stay one size.
I'm glad I'm not alone with this, alongside the anemia and costochondritis.
I’m an average weight and I have the same problem as you. I went to Justice and got jeans size 16 and went to forever 21 and got a size 6 and it fit the same. The world has gone amok
I don't bother with size anymore, I just get really large and baggy clothing
I really enjoyed this history lesson!! Thank you!!