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Two pieces of advice I got from boat owners. First, walk away if they won't let you test it in the water. Second, put your foot on the lower unit and push to see if the transom is soft.
Pro tip for boat sellers, don't give out free water test rides.
You can test the transom with your hand by beating on it, with YOUR own open palm, and listening if you have the know how, I do and have been buying boats for 40 years, also better is get a large, I mean big flat head screwdriver and push gently on the transom, it shouldn't move inward, if it does transom.is rotten and must be replaced... better yet pay for the Marine survey. About $500 bucks ...never buy the junker, it will cost you thousands repairing the yard rotten egg.
Take a rubber hammer and tap the transom, you can hear the soft spots.
I want to see the green before you get the ride. Deposit ?
@@emmanuelmeyermeyer1083 standard small fee of 100-200$ will weed out everyone not serious
ANOTHER TIP - don't think that "fiberglass" boats are immune from wood rot ! Most older fiberglass hulls are built on WOODEN stringers and decks, which eventually get waterlogged thanks to cracks in the fiberglass coating.
OMC used to.make Johnson and Evinrude.i have owned several old Johnson motors and they were bullet proof. I owned one Evinrude, and it was a POS. Go figure.
A buddy just found that out, the bow deck on his newly purchased used boat was soft under the anchor windlass. Had he anchored and encountered swells it probably would have ripped the anchor gear off.
@@EBinCA I have 77 KrisKraft its called. Has a Chevy V6 on steroids really a solid motor in the water with some kind of huge galvinized prop on it. Years ago I got this Sherwin Williams commercial coating for fiberglass and went all over the boat. i still have 5 gallon bucket of SWD598 its called. I got it at the Navy Yard in Norfolk the Navy was throwing it out in dumpsters and I wish I took more of it. But I keep the boat in my barn. My grand kids play camp out in it this time of year. The thing is like new yet due to care. I do believe the floor & spars super structure is wooden. The transom is solid aluminum. I was told the boat I have was 36K in `1977. By the quality of the lighting and wood working I would not disagree. I plan keeping until I am gone. last time it seen any water is 31 years ago. The boat was sprayed by me an Aviation A&P back in 1990. That thing still sparkles in sun light. I actually tried scratching the Sherwin coating and it is even hard to scratch the stuff Why the Navy even tossed it out is mystery nobody could ever solve. I sprayed tractors and stuff with it and it is super stuff. Nothing like ya can buy today.
How far back , how many years back were boats manufactured that way .
HERE IN FLORIDA, there are literally hundreds of "abandoned" boats. The Indian River / Intracoastal Canal is a favorite dumping area for these. One county had to spend MILLION$ to remove almost 100 old derelicts from its waterways. Other smaller boats are dumped in vacant lots or just sit rotting away in people's backyards. WATCH OUT for wasp nests, termites, and even possums who take up residence in these hulks !
Sarasota,Manatee County it's a problem also. Bums like to go through and pillage them
Why please explain , I am new to boating ?
@@josephforest7605
Floridians dont catch fish, they rent charter fishing boats, earn thousands of dollars, so they buy more boats, abandon old boats. Floridians have more boats than all US combined, so if somewhere is normal to see many abandoned cars, in florida there are boats
@@i1bike Couldn't they sell their old boats ?
@@josephforest7605
To who ?
Who can buy 30 000 pieces of fishing boats every 5 years after their leasing ends and owners switch to the new boat. They are very expensive, 5 years is not old and they cant lose so much from the original price. We europeans would be glad to buy them. But without those terrible american engines. No offense
Excellent advice. This coming from a licensed delivery captain with 30+ years experience running all types of boats.
I’ve had my hands on several Honda four stroke outboards that were well-maintained and had over 3000 hours of operation. The keyword with anything is proper maintenance thanks for your videos. Really enjoy the channel.
In Alaska, the only outboard motor you see is Honda.
It has been my experience that the more you use an outboard motor, the less problems you have with it.
@@HughButler-lb6zs 100% I work at a small marina that services a small lake. We do about 150 of the boats on the lake and the ones that get used more are the ones that get worked on less. Motors that get used, and well taken care of, run great and have way less issues esp, with the electrical system and the fuel system.
to folks that may want to get away for a day or so once in awhile on a boat.. I recomend a boat club.. no hassle.. use the boat when you want(depending on membership) and never worry about maintenance.. its not cheap but it may be a LOT cheaper than owning a boat.
I’m a professional captain and I tell people all the time who tell me they are interested in buying a boat to go to a boat club and save the hassle of buying a boat, storing it, maintaining it, cleaning it, trailer maintenance and have to make sure your vehicle can tow it safely otherwise you’ll have to buy a new one to tow it with to the ramp. And after all that you’ll actually only use it one weekend a month if you’re lucky
BRP
Bearings, Rings, Pistons
Old Rudes were such great engines
For boats with outdrives, Volvo and mercruiser are phenomenal. But they are expensive to have serviced through the marina. Unless you can do the stuff yourself, I’d recommend an inboard or a Yamaha outboard. I’ve got a Bertram with 2 alpha one drives.
Also, make sure the person is qualified to work on them. Had a number of workers at a marina put shaft seals in wrong (which makes gear oil leak) and put the impeller in the wrong direction, (made the engines overheat numerous times)
Good luck
I personally steer clear of any trailer boat with bottom paint. I state that from experience. Got rid of it and got a nice used Whaler that was always trailered. Best boat I've ever owned.
How much bostol whaler costs in US, im south european
Great video here! On the SEI, I have had three Yamahas that I put SEI lower units on and put hundreds of hours on all of them with no problems at all, the primary issue with the SEI units is people slap them on and go, without any breakin, SEI is very upfront about breaking in their lower units properly and informs purchasers of the correct process, which is super simple and takes a few hours of operation at most.
Thanks for sharing your experience with sei
Came here to say this- my marina talked me into an SEI lower for my standard rotation yammy F150 when a lower seal went out on me. The warranty on them is super good as long as you follow the break in. The standard rotation shifts so nice I think I’m gonna order a counter rotation and just do the other side, as I’m on about 1300 hours and my motors get shifted a LOT.
@@CaptainSloose Awesome! My neighbor still has my boat he bought years ago with thousands of hours on the SEIs with zero problems.
Same for me- I used a complete SEI unit to replace a troublesome OMC COBRA drive that had to be delicately tuned to shift right. Used an SEI conversion kit and lower unit- over a decade of trouble-free use! Just follow the break-in and change lube/impeller once a season or two.
We have SEI on the old Mark Twain. The first SEI went out in the first year and was replaced without question. The second has been in the boat for six years without any problems.
Thanks, Capt Matt! Enjoy your Summer!!
Thanks! Will do!
EXCELLENT VIDEO!!! This video should be mandatory for ANYONE thinking about buying a boat. 100% spot on correct. If your not a mechanic..... don't buy a boat. I would recommend a nice RV instead. Start with that and you will save thousands of dollars every year with no dock fee's. Seriously, im not kidding, $25 thousand will buy a nice land yacht.
Great video, as always!
I bought a new bay liner with the 3.0 / alpha 1 gen 2 drive . Before the warranty expired, tha engine had be pulled and completely overhauled. When they pulled the engine , the found the out drive was also in need of an over haul . This was a year after I bought it ! I have used an sei upper and lower unit on 23 mini cruiser with no issues its still going strong after 20 + years and appears to be better built than the mercruiser
Bayliner is junk
I had a 1973 mercusier 170HP straight six motor and both the motor and outdrive were phenomenal. It was 20 years old when l got it and we ran the crap out of it for another 10 years water skiing. The Murcruiser is a solid engine. Maintain and winterize properly and they last forever. If l was still into boating I would still go with mercruiser over any outboard.
I have a 2011 Yamaha 242 Limited S with 255 hrs. Awesome awesome boat.
I have a 1994 Grady White Adventure 208 with a 1994 200hp Saltwater Series Yamaha. It's still mint.
I have a 1994 Bayliner Trophy with a 175hp Mercury. It’s a project. Hull is great but unfortunately soft spot in cabin.
Nice 👍. Glad it’s still running
I'm happy with my 1970s $600 boat for fishing that I totally redid myself and as been a nice low cost fishing boat for me. The fish don't care if its fancy or,not.
Remember this if anything. It is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. You think it is worth $20k and the seller wants $33k. Walk away. There are millions of boats for sale everyday.
Two things. I bought an old jet boat. A 98 sport jet 175. I love it. The biggest worry is the forward gear oil compartment. Make sure that doesn't leak. Finding someone to repair the gearcase is difficult. Parts are still available, but they're expensive. The motor side of a sport jet system is almost exactly the same as an outboard. It's much easier to work on than a rotax, and more power.
And 2nd, omc stringer drives are awesome. The design is radically different from most stern drives, but the benefits are great. Much more reliable design. Everything. Even the steering cable is different. Now, the water pump impeller is a big job. No way around that, but that's the biggest hassle. It's the only stern drive with a wet bath gimbal bearing that lasts forever. No u-joints. No bellows except one big one that is super easy to replace. It has Points ignition, so there is no super expensive magic chinese box to worry about. And it's the only stern drive that doesn't use the transom to bear the load. The thrust is transferred to the stringers where the engine is mounted. Hence, the name stringer drive. Oh, and i almost forgot, no hydraulics! Which means no fluid to leak. The tild and trim are all gear driven. 😁
The stringer drive is from a different time. A better time.
Stringers were good drives. They are simple but 2 major drawbacks…. The first is no parts anymore. Can get anything you need for a 1970 Mercruiser. Not so with a stringer.. the other drawback is it’s only tilt, not trim
@@mattdudley3789 you just have to look harder. The parts are still out there.
@@mattdudley3789 no no, there is trim! It occurs at the front motor mount. The solenoids for it are up front. The tilt solenoids are on the back. And while it does seems to have a lot of solenoids, it does TNT.
You're thinking of the Chrysler/Volvo stern drive. That one is tilt only.
@@thediplomasta5891 Not all Stringers had trim. It came later and it was an option. Called Selectrim
@@mattdudley3789 really? Well I've yet to see one surviving today that didn't have selectrim. I guess they were the only ones worth preserving for all these years. I have worked on a 2 of them this year, and they're still going strong. I work on all brands, and get the opportunity to critique the differences in engineering. Based on everything I've seen, the stringers are the best quality engineered sterndrive setup that there is. Sure, the impeller job is a nightmare, but everything else is great. It's the only wet oil bath gimbal bearing in america. It's the only double-pull steering cable too. Lasts a long time. Has a points ignition, so there's no $300 powerpack to worry about. Stringer drive was designed to actually be reliable. I stand by my statement.
A couple of years ago, I saw a 1988 Sea Ray 46 express cruiser in an ad from Miami. These people sank over $200,000 in refurbishment of the boat, including pulling the CAT diesel motors for a full rebuild. The boat looked immaculate, but they wanted, at first, $289,000 for the boat. I felt bad for them. It doesn't matter how much you put into it. It was still an 88 Sea Ray, worth about $89,000. The last I saw, they were trying to get rid of it for $72,000.
You can argue the back taxes on registration by just saying the boat was inoperable and in the back yard or out of state at a repair facility. States will be hard pressed to prove otherwise and you won't be forced to pay previous registrations.
Absolutely excellent. This should be the first step for a used buyer.
Got a Triumph in 07. Good to go every day. No fenders, no paint, no fiberglass to worry about. Just spray and flush motor and go when done. Easy, reliable, just goes and worry free.
I was waiting for you to say stay away from boats in general lol. You named like every boat I’m thinking about buying lmao. Love the videos brother.
Hey man, just be patient. The right boat is out there that will fit your budget that you’ll love for a long time.
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Well it’s funny how many trawlers/houseboat never move with out getting towed to be repainted. I think most are just cheap apartments
Here in Tennessee bill of sale is all you need no title. Also only register the boat. Not the motor or the trailer. One of the good things about living here.
Here in Texas if you don't have a title it's nothing but junk
@@mikeedwards9240 yeah and im about to move from tn to tx. Very mixed emotions for reasons like thay
Same in Alabama
@@mikeedwards9240 send em over here and it's easy money then. No title no problem. Just write up a bill of sale. Name address make model and year to the county clerk then send off an application to the twra (Tennessee wildlife resource agency) and then you get the registration sticker.
I would clarify on the Rotax comment about not buying them and them not being around for long. I believe you are referring to those specific newer Rotax S motors that you showed. Rotax engines themselves have been around for a while and everything from airplanes to boats to side by sides. I believe for the most part they are a fairly reliable engine.
Moisture Meter ! Buy rent or borrow one. Check everything with it. Don’t forget transom and anchor locker.
Transposing numbers/letters if it's on titles or anything else means always double check. Just like Volvo XPD and XDP.
Disagree on the SEI lower unit- my marina SWEARS by them, and recommends them for lower unit replacement. I blew one of my lower units last year because of a bad seal due to braid fishing line, and they talked me into one rather than OEM. I’ve got a few hundred hours on it and it shifts and runs so nice I want to replace the other lower unit with one. I’m running twin Yamaha F150s and so far I’m super happy with it. The unit has a 3 year unlimited hours warranty, and the marina said they have never had one come back in 10 years of installing them. You’d never know it’s an aftermarket either- once it’s painted it’s identical.
@CaptainSloose thanks for sharing your experience with SEI
On a side note if u find old project boats especially glastrons and Chris crafts I'd be interested they are kind of my addiction
I replaced both my lower units with SEI Not because I was being cheap but because both were making metal on a grand scale and Johnson patrs are not readily available. SEI is better than used crap off of Ebay that is as probably as wore out as what I'm replacing. SEI makes good stuff.
Thanks for sharing your experience with SEI
Great advice
100% agree with everything you stated.
All the you said plus - that Rotax engine is using the E-TEC direct fuel injection system. I have a 2016 Boston Whaler 210 Montauk, purchased new, that came with a 150 Mercury 4 Stoke. I worked with the selling dealer to take the Mercury in on trade and "UPGRADE" to a new Evinrude E-Tec G2 200 H.O. - boy did I drink the cool aid. It was great and performed awesome the first few years, now parts and repair knowledge is almost non-existent in SWFL, so now I am looking at a repower with a Suzuki 200...ugh.
Yep lots of people drank that Kool-aid and are sorry they did.
I repowered my boat in 2019 w/ an evinrude etec 90. Wish I didn’t watch this video. So far so good although i know evinrude is no more. 😮
i have a johnson 1999 175pxees and it's a tank. still running great. I guess they don't make them like that anymore.
If you're looking for a smaller boat, especially an older one, it's good to consider aluminum, because wood & even fiberglass can breakdown over time, & you can end up spending more time patching the boat, than using it. This at least, goes for freshwater boats. Saltwater may corrode aluminum too much, IDK?
They sell sacrificial anodes for that.
@@jamesorth1521 Good point!
To own a boat I think it’s a must to be able to work on a boat. Or have plenty of money and time to wait
Great vid brother
Thanks
It sucks the g2 flopped I loved mine but got rid of it cuz of evinrude dying. But I'll never ditch my 7marine engine
Bought a used boat w/ a 150hp Force motor, ran great when I bought it on a walk through. Started water leaking in the motor a month later. Replaced the motor w/ a rebuilt 100hp Evinrude for 2500.00. Tried to rebuild the Force but they used stainless bolts through aluminum which created terrible corrosion. Used everything I could think of to help w/ the bolts on the head, deoxidizer, liquid wrench and a soft impact wrench still snapped 9 of 14 heads of the bolts. Mechanic said $80 per bolt to drill out and retap, I donated it to a scraper. Lesson learned.
I had a Force L Drive for a while. One day I put it gently in reverse and the whole drive dropped off hanging by the hydraulic lines. Every one of those Grade 8 bolts but one had been long ago snapped off. The last one broke the day it dropped the drive. When I went to remove them the only one that didn’t simply drill through like hardware store bin #2 garbage I use for sheer pins. The one good one was that last one to snap and it was so tough that I couldn’t drill it nor could the guy I knew with a machine shop. It was the only real grade 8 in there. The rest were all stamp marked but fraudulent. Force is truly JUNK in my opinion and it’s not just on the one incident.👎🏻
I tried trading a Force outboard and boat in on a new boat and motor and the seller told me I would have to pay him to take the motor.
Wait a minute, now if you can get a steel for $500 for a 1978 Cruiser Yayat Barnet 22' with very nice trailer, owner didn't know how to do repairs, but CZcams show me how to fix the water pump in the 3.7 engine (480) Change out water pump in the Alpha 1 outdrive bellows shift cable you name it replaced it or work on it. But after $4000 in parts I got a nice camper boat, TV, Shitter, air Cond this year. FUN, on the lake!!!!! Been offered $8000 last year but now air. Can't wait for a hot night!
Another thing regarding the title. If there is a lein holder listed, ensure that the title has been signed by the lein holder as well as a notarized letter of release of lein. I just ran into that and had to wait for an out of state bank to reissue the letter, send it to the seller then he send it to me.
Good point!
Had to pay taxes in arrears in Charleston until recently. Bought a boat 20 years ago and had to pay personal property tax for the year before I owned it. Then 2 years later Charleston said personal property taxes for the previous 5 and 6 years ago were do after I had it registered for 2 years. Shame on Charleston and maybe other localities for failing to notify new owners of back taxes correctly. I then dropped Military non-residency papers on them and told them to pound sands. On other occasions Charleston has overwritten a bill of sale handed to them after the new owner waited 8 months to get a title. Yes they overwrote(threw out the bill of sale documentation with the new title) and tried to charge me the old owner with personal property taxes for the following year.
Shame on Charleston and rethink owning a boat in personal property tax states. In SC, it runs 3X the property tax of automobiles. Refuse to play their games
I bought a boat with 25 hours on it from a factory dealer . They said " we will go over the boat " Maybe they went " over " it , but not " under '' it ! crack in the hull ! Very long story .....
I worked on a couple of bayliners dont think I will ever own one poorly made ones I work on was farly newer look like they were slapped together
I'll take a soft transom boat any time, as long as it's dirt cheap.
SEI is not inferior if that is what you were implying. I have used their drive and it was perfect, and theirs are thousands less and identical in every dimension, so no fitment problems at all. Great warranty too, but you are unlikely to need it.
If you trust Chinese internals, yes.
@@J.W.W. mercury uses Chinese parts in their new, factory stuff for. I've plenty of mercury parts, from the dealership, labeled, made in China.
@@J.W.W.my marina swears by them. It’s not a small marina company either- it’s a Safe Harbor marina, which also owns the company Jarrett Bay. Nearly everything is china made now anyway, even Yamaha OEM equipment
As a general rule, for good cruising fun and better build quality go, Baja, Formula, Checkmate, Donzi... not exhaustive list and not automatic, but if you know what to look for they are better than most, and more expensive...if you're trying to get in cheap, be prepared to spend thousands repairing them.
Those are go-fast boats that many people run excessively hard... so I'd be cautious. Plus, that style is not right for many people.
Baja is mid-tier and had some off years as well.
As with all used boats over 5-7 years, it is more about how the specific boat you are considering was cared for than the brand of boat. If it was cheaply built, it will often start showing itself.
@@BoatBuyersSecretWeapon take another look at all of those, no way are they all go fast, many are sport cruisers, much better than cookie cutter chopper gun bow riders built cheaply; every boat needs to be maintained but every one of those manufacturers makes a great boat relative to the garden variety bow rider.
Any omc or Volvo outdrive can go on your list. Putting those back in after service is one of the worst jobs to do.
Every boat that isn't new, rented, leased, or paddled is a PROJECT boat
NOT TRUE. New boats can also have projects.
@@draileduncommon disagree.my Bayliner is 6 years old.zero issues so far.
Inspect, inspect inspect the heck out of the trailer. It may seem mechanically simple compared to the boat but trailer issues can (1) Prevent you from taking that new boat to the water, (2) Make launching and retrieving an agony, and (3) Cost a surprising amount of time to track down old suspension and brake components to make needed repairs. Replacing bunk boards is it's own special difficult situation, parts for welded-on trailer couplers can become unobtanium (Atwood comes to mind), replacing safety chains, rewiring the lights and replacing light fixtures. And on and on. It's not only a boat that can nickel-and-dime you to death.
Wrong on the hours, if an engine and drive are maintained they can last 3-4 times plus your 1500 hours. I am not only a mechanic, but also grew up commercial fishing, sport boating and was a Broker for several years. My family had many engines that lasted well over 5000 hours with no major problems, on one sport boat we had to replace the hour meter 4 times because it the meters wore out before the engine did, and it got ran very hard. Get a mechanical done on the engine before buying.
If flies floats or fcks rent it 😂
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The 3 Fs of personal finance. Obey them and you will be richer, LOL.
I bought my last boat 2002 Larson from a dealer, the idiots did not drain the exhaust manifolds when they winterized it. One was cracked , of course they took no responsibility for it and refused to replace it.
My first watch of your channel. Well worth my time. Thanks.
Glad you enjoy it!
Don't buy anything near or in the water...from a landlubber like me. Salt water corrodes and humidity is not good either. But if you can afford it, go for it. Yeah I've done some sailing myself...renting a boat.
I’m torn over a new Yamaha jet boat ar250 or FSH… around $65-85k or a used Sea hunt but want a 23-25foot …. Thoughts?
Depends how you will use it
Before buying a used boat go out on your friend's boat bring a brief case with $10k with you and throw that money in the middle of the lake turn the boat around and start heading back to the dock. If you look back towards the brief case at any point you aren't ready to deal with used boats
Are blue water yachts bad? Im on the Hudson River and just want to take friends out for a day on the weekends for casual parties and cocktails no speed or long distances.
Unfortunately, I don’t have any experience with that brand
I find most boats have soft floors and bad wiring. Engines can be fixed pretty easily. I just hate seeing boats people are asking retail, yet need seats, wiring, flooring, and all the gauges have water in them. Omc and penta drives are much easier to work on than people think. I believe people are just intimidated and mechanics use it as an excuse to charge more.
Oklahoma law changed years ago. You can have a boat that hasn't been registered for years but the new owner do not pay any back taxes. If the original owner renews it, they are the ones that pay penalty with a max amount applied. Also, you now have 60 days to register the sale, which it used to be 30 days. Oklahoma also observes other states laws in title transfer. If you buy a boat out of state, and that state doesn't require a title, then okla doesn't require a title. They have a list of requirements of all states at the tag office and that's what they go by. If the title is from out of state, they do require a physical inspection of the vin/reg numbers though.
But the biggest issue people have is paying for labor. Labor cost have went up just like everything. Paying a boat shop or individual mechanic will be expensive no matter what needs done. I tell everyone, unless you can fix it yourself, don't buy a project. And as far as parts go, parts are limited in every industry. I order prob 80% of parts for everything I work on. No one carries specific parts for anything. It's all universal parts.
It's a crap shoot, 85 BAYLINER still has a good transom and a I/O. Had a 90 gradywhite 252 with bracket 2 motors. Soft hatches over the tanks, and rotted trans, stringers, and bulkhead. Best boat is somebody eles boat.
Bayliner is junk
All very good advice, although one thing that was not said and it should be. If you are a normal working Joe, ie not independently wealthy, you should be able and willing to do most, if not all, the repairs and maintenance on your boat. That means buying some specialty tools, If you can't or won't then you probably should not own boat, go rent one.
I just recently went through this issue.
Bought a boat that sat outside for atleast a decade.
I didn't know what I was getting myself in to.
The furniture was all rotted away and missing the engine.
The outdrive lower had a crack through it.
The stringers and transom was all rotted.
At the end of it all I had to throw the boat away.
I sold or kept the stuff I could.
Cutting the boat up because the trailer didn't have a title to get a plate. That took about a month between working and weekends to get rid of it.
It wasn't worth the cost to repair it.
I understand more now. However I kinda don't want a boat anymore.
how about just renting? any good places or apps?
I’ve used both GetMyBoat.com or Boatsetter.com. They
Do peer to peer rentals
Hello what video shows me how to identify a bad transom with a screwdriver
Just search how to tap a hull on my channel and you’ll find it. The thumbnail says soft transom.
@@BoatBuyersSecretWeapon appreciate you first time boat buyer ,you’re helping this a lot thanks
Rotax is that a jet boat motor?
No the jet ski engine is proven, it’s the new underwater outboard they released last year… check it out and let me know what you think
Force motors i never understood them , my dad still has one he bought new and it has never had a issue till this day but I have seen people that had tons of issues. But I have seen people that never had issue out of them. It's a 50 50 😂
The Evinrude G2 is a fun outboard, for anyone reading this as long as you have a local good repair centre ( just incase) and the price is right don’t be scared to buy one. The latest version is pretty reliable. There was definitely more unreliable engines built at the time.
Having grown up on a lake in Michigan in the 50’s & 60’s, & lived on a chain in Indiana, my father
told me B.O.A.T. = bust out another thousand…I’d say, that was pretty accurate… 9:03
Salt water marine mechanic since 1978 here..
If you are not mechanically apt do not buy a boat..
Rent one.
Or $$$$$$$$$$$
Newer Yamaha Suzuki Honda took over not many problems with them .
I have a 1990 50 Yamaha on my 13 whaler all original!!! Only water pump impeller and plugs changed.
Old Evinrude OMC Johnson were good but gone sadly.
Old v4 or 3cylinder Evinrude Johnson form 70s to 80s in fresh water use worth fixing of cheap .
Check for compression and metal in lower unit oil .
Stay away from Force or old Mercury inline 6 .
Old Mercruiser and old OMC not so good .
Electrical stuff is the most common issue.
Leak in fuel tanks corrosion oxidation also in salt water use.
A friend of mine purchased his first used boat last month and its an ugly situation. He let the excitement get to him and purchased it without knowing what to look for. He didn't even make it 500ft from the launch before discovering engine issues. And after going over with him, there are serious red flags pointing to major wood rot. I am going to list a few things to lookout for if you are in the market for a boat.
1. If they refuse a test ride, WALK AWAY! Or, offer what the boat is worth without the engine. A motor might sound excellent on the hose, but run like garbage under load. And a repair could be as simple as plugs or as bad as a cracked block.
2. Never fall for the scam of the seller showing a video of how great it ran last week when the family took it out 😂.
3. If the seller has installed a new floor over the old floor, its because the original floor is rotted. If the floor is rotten, then the stringers are rotted, and the transom is rotted.
4. Use a rubber mallet to tap on the transom. If it sounds hollow, then its rotted. Also look for water marks coming out of the back cleats and motor bolts as that is a sign of water intrusion in the transom.
5. Drain the lower unit of the motor and check for milky colored oil which indicates water leakage. Also screen the oil for metal debris.
6. Look at all bolts and hardware on the trailer. On non aluminum trailers, look for corrosion in the tongue.
Yup.... Poor friend of mine thought he got a heck of a deal on a boat. But it needs a floor, stringers, transom and engine work.
Great tips!
Has he had a look at sea cast to replace the transom. We bought a 73 Mark Twain trihull didn’t check it properly and there was so much flex in the transom we didn’t feel safe taking it out. My husband replaced both the transom and the stringers with sea cast and it was solid. I know some people love it and some hate it but the material itself floats and is incredibly strong. Anyways that’s my story we have since sold the old girl but she was a beauty fully restored.
@@amymartin6402 Your husband sounds like a smart guy! Seacast is a wonderful product. Especially if a person takes the time for proper prep work. That stuff leaves no gaps and bonds to everything. It never rots and is stronger than wood. Water has no effect on it either.
I have heard people talking trash about it. They will say that wood and fiberglass cloth is the only way to go. But if you ask them, they of course have never used it and have no experience with it 😂
water will and does get into everything
Is that the same ROTAX that makes aircraft engine?
Yep, same engine but different drive system and its the drive system and the position of the engine that's the big WTF?
I still have twin Fitch ram 150s on my boat😂😅 I guess I got the good ones
Glad they’re running strong
I have installed at least 30 SEI sterndrives throughout my time in the marine service industry and I never had a problem with a single one of them.
Thanks, I just bought one for a project boat
Nothing wrong with SEI, proper maintenance is everything!
good to know .. . .
"I've got a brilliant idea; we'll put the motor underwater!" Water always wins brother.
If ya wanna test anything....take it out in salt water!
my boat stays in salt water 6 months a year
What drives me nuts, is seeing Boats with no storage covers on them,
A long time ago, I almost bought a new Land & Sea - Sea Cabin. ;-)
We found what we thought was a great deal on a used boat 3 years ago. The boat was manufactured in 2001, and it was obvious to us that it was well cared for based on the material/mechanical condition and the water test. However, the deck was a little soft around the engine cover, (inbd/outbd mercruiser). I knew the boat had a wooden deck and I also knew that it would be something I would have to deal with and this is the year that came to fruition. Replacing a soft boat deck is no small task and even though we got a great deal on this boat and it has been reliable and enjoyable for the past three years i wish I would have passed on it. So far I've spent close to $800.00 in materials and I know I'll never get a return on that investment due to the age of the boat. Great channel by the way.
$800.00?
If that's a big deal you should not be near a boat.
BOAT means bust out another thousand.
That's life. They are not for poor people.
@@jamesorth1521 Now that is a jackass comment. Great job being a jackass! $800.00 isn't a big deal but since you missed my point I'll make it clear for everyone else. What a person thinks may be a great deal on a used boat isn't a great deal at all if it ends up needing major repairs. Replacing a floor is a major repair and means less time on the water. Here's some friendly advice for you. Don't let your fingers type faster than your brain can process information.
@@jamesorth1521 Guess you can't afford a boat then. You seem very poor. Oops I meant ignorant.
@@jamess3532 $800...You're kidding...
I have the best little fishing boat. Our 2003 CHAWK 222 pilot house w/150hp mercury 2stroke. I have about 550hours of trouble-free use.
Ive got a 32ft 89 sea ray that hasn’t seen the water in 3 years. It’s been outside but has been tarped and winterized. Do you think I’ll have some major issues regardless of the fact that I had it tarped and winterized ?
100% there will be issues... not sure what they will be but seals, systems, gaskets, pumps some will need to be dealt with. I hope its minimal but give yourself some time and money to bring back to life.
Also depends on the climate, hot/cold/hot/cold or lots of really cold will likely cause more problems.
Also, how was it put away, fully winterized (engine, water, sea cocks, head, water heater, etc)
Be sure to check the bellows as well before putting in the water, look for dry rot or cracking (depending on the position the drive was in while stored)
Get a project boat and learn so you're more learned the next time
Rotax engines have been in seadoo watercraft for a long time.
Not the Rotax outboard… check it out and tell me it’s a good idea
@@BoatBuyersSecretWeapon After looking at the outboard, I have to agree, I wouldn’t buy that motor, not because it’s a rotax, but rather because of its underwater design. Who in the world thought that was a good idea?
@@414s4 the same engineers that build every boat. They have no idea what they are doing. Definitely don’t build them with maintenance in mind.
Just give up, sit inside, and stare at four walls, you will never have a risk of bad experience then lol.
Can’t be any worse than buying airplanes. Been there done that a few times.
I learned buying a used boat is like walking through a haunted house. You're already on edge going in, knowing it's a haunted house, yet something always jumps out you were totally unprepared for causing similar results. Peeing your pants from shock and fear and wishing you hadn't gone inside to begin with
👻🛥
Buy only with outboard motor or motors. Don't buy inboard. The only inboard boat I owned cost thousands of dollars in repairs. All my outboard boats were far less to maintain and were virtually problem free.
So Bombardier can't make a reliable boat engine (Rotax)? And they don't have the vision to continue support for a trusted and well established brand (Evinrude)? I guess there's always airplanes and ATVs.
I predict the Roatax outboard is scrapped within a few years
@@BoatBuyersSecretWeapon
I don't doubt what you're saying. Now I want to see why it's such a bad design. I have some research to do!
@@BoatBuyersSecretWeapon
Is it the height off the water that you think will be the engine's downfall? Could be trouble. But that's about the same ride height that they are in a Sea Doo. And they have survived that. That's all these engines are, variants of the older 2 stroke pwc engines. I'm a little disappointed really.
If I was betting on their downfall, it would be $$$ for what you get (HP). Just 150 HP or 300 HP isn't a lot of options, and 300 HP isn't blowing any skirts up.
Actually people will be that engine's greatest enemy. How dummy proof did they make it? I'm curious where they draw in air to combust.
But I could be wrong. I mean I spent a whole 10 minutes researching it before thinking I had it licked, lol.
Boats have a shelf life
Super rare one but cant believe you didnt mention the 2stroke force L drive from '90-92
Uh.. rotax has been making motors for over 100 years. What are you talking about? I've had mine since the 90's without a hitch. Granted, not much these past few years. But not due to any maintenance issues
Google Rotax outboard and then get back to me… I think you’ll understand then
Never buy a wooden boat.
Buddy of mine had 3. It was a nightmare to maintain.
Anything Brunswick….run
My ficht is very economical and responsive.they are problem childs though
If yoda owned a boat he would get a force engine
Without watching this yet, I'm going to say right off the top, NEVER EVER BUY A INBOARD OUTBOARD DRIVE SYSTEM. Ok, now I will watch this video.
What did you think?
. Hoy Captain, Excellent video. I just posted another comment complimenting this video. Damn good job Sir. (I'm a life long sailor 55+ years.) I'm a fulltime model ship builder and nautical museum curator for the past 30 years. Good job Captain.
Hahahahaha, I've owned at least twenty mercruisers...dead wrong if you know, .....and if you do, you know!